Thread 514134915

What happened during Vietnam war? Why couldn't US win against farmers with bamboo sticks?

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India can't be permanently conquered, they just assimilate to whatever conquering force arrives.

>>514135025
>the Ukraine
>the KEEEEEEEEEEEV

>>514134915 (OP)
Vietnam is THE ONLY COUNTRY in the whole wide world that has NEVER BEEN CONQUERED!
The fucking mongols tried and failed! And not because some Divine - Kami winds - kaze like it happened in Tsushima strait.

>>514134915 (OP)
Look at the death tolls ya hick and tell me who won

>>514134915 (OP)
We had nukes. Nam wouldn’t exist if we actually cared enough to go all the way

>>514137870
Japan and France both conquered Vietnam, retard.

Jews sent americans to die in the jungle, and then the desert etc.

The US weapons industry (the deep state) wanted a long war.
https://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/FTrials/ellsberg/ppexcerpt.html
First the USA was like
>McNamara argued for a substantial intensification of the air war. The 1 July version of his memorandum recommended a total quarantine of the movement of war supplies into North Vietnam, by sea, rail, and road, through the mining of Haiphong and all other harbors and the destruction of rail and road bridges leading from China to Hanoi; the Secretary also urged the destruction of fighter airfields and SAM sites "as necessary" to accomplish these objectives.
But then...
>McNamara left for Vietnam on July 14 and returned a week later with a revised version of his July 1st DPM ready to be sent to the President as a final recommendation. The impact of the visit was to soften considerably the position he had apparently earlier taken. His 20 July memorandum backed off from the 1 July recommendations- (...)
It's the same with the current circus in the Ukraine BTW where Russia doesn't strike important supply routes. Apparently the US weapons manufacturers must make more money. And Putin, Selenski and Trump work together on the same circus like they worked together on the psychopandemic farce.

>what happened in vietnam
Mutts dealt with guerilla warfare for the first time. They tried to beat it with body counts, defoliants and killing civilians but failed because the enemy simply waited for them to leave and beat the puppet regime they left behind because they couldn't exist with mut support.

>why couldn't they win
The mutt way of war is simply to bomb and kill as many people as possible thinking that they can scare people into supporting them. They never have been interested to actually understand the causes for the war or why people fight which means they always pick the wrong side and going against the people they are trying to supposedly 'liberate'.

>>514134915 (OP)
I think both of those things can be true.

People don’t respect Vietnamese enough. They may have well been the most spiritually worthy opponents whites have ever faced.

>>514134915 (OP)
why?
the military was not fucking to nut
just fucking to fuck
power does want to win
power wants to play

Isn't Vietnam just a sex colony for the first world now? I always hear about old dudes going there to dick down women.

>>514134915 (OP)
The US did. The Vietcong were wiped out and the NVA got their shit pushed in. But defensive wars fundamentally don't really work. You just surrounded and choked out unless an externality forces your enemy to give up. You have to conquer. If the US had directly invaded the north and wiped out the communist government, it would have won within a few months. Instead the US just sort of skirted the edges until the end with precision bombing operations like Linebacker II. History has proven the only way to truly win is to crush your enemies and scatter them to the winds.

>>514134915 (OP)
Same thing that happened in Korea, China.

>>514138704
>They tried to beat it with body counts
Other way around, retard. And the Vietcong were wiped out and quietly replaced by actual NVA soldiers who kept the namesake going but were conventionally trained military. The Vietcong was always a NVA-backed operation but at least they were initially reliant on real southern insurrectionists. By the end of the Tet Offensive it was Vietcong in name only.

>>514134915 (OP)
Because we couldn't naturally expand the operations under threat that China(and therefore Russia) would get involve and the whole thing turn into WW3.

>>514134915 (OP)
Because we were never actually in a state of war, it was a gay police action.

Because there was no feasible win condition for the US. There was no goal to accomplish in the first place. It was a retarded useless proxy war for the sake of having a war. The US could not win because there was no objective. It was just "let's fuck around until we want to stop having our soldiers die for no reason".

We could've nuked the gook if we wanted to win

>>514139686
>other way around
Your media used to have body counts on TV. Basically your military would wipe out civilian villages claiming VC were there to meet quotas. Don't you know your own history, mutt?

>the vietcong were wiped out and replaced by the nva
NVA regulars were always in the Viet Cong. The only difference was that after Tet their ranks were depleted so more regulars made up the numbers while they replenished. The Viet Cong was never wiped out because it was always a guerilla force that disappeared and reappeared when they wanted.

>>514138307
Not completely moron. Central vietnam remained independent.

>>514134915 (OP)
but what has vietnam to do with india?
anyone could walk blind drunk into india and take over. jeets are weak and love to fuck each other over (easy to recruit collaborateurs)
trying this in vietnam is far more complicated, because gooks are brave and patriotic

>>514139316
>The US did.
Objective status ? Failed to achieve. War lost. Mutts cope and seethe.

>>514134915 (OP)
To be fair, the SOG operatives in Laos and Cambodia had K/D ratios of over 100-1

And there's no way Indians (who already lost to a boat full of redcoats lmao), are anywhere near as competent as the VietCong

>>514140846
Being a jeet would make me seethe more.

>>514140586
>your military would wipe out civilian villages claiming VC were there
Where else did I see that ?

Irrelevant community note

>>514138184
>killing more is winning
so the wehmacht won then? killing is not automatically winning
>>514139316
>burgers went to war to deny vietnam to the commies
>burgers failed, and left vietnam
>vietnam is still communist
>"we won"
i hope i fell for a bait

>>514134915 (OP)
It was about motivation. The vietnam people had much more of it. Obviously, if both sides were equally motivated, eventually amerimutts would have won. It would have taken millions of lives though.

>>514140449
Good point, the primary "goal" was a functioning democracy in South Vietnam, which was already undermined by corruption, including by meddling from America.

Then mission creep sets in and it becomes the destruction of the VC/NVA, while never actually attacking them.

>>514137870
The U.S. never invaded the north for political reasons

>>514134915 (OP)
>Vietnam was lost by the military
top kek, also jeets are not war hardened Vietnamese.

>>514141238
Nah, it could have been easily won
They could have simply dropped the bomb, that would have ended things very quickly.

Alternatively, they could have full sent the Ho Chi Minh trail, which at a minimum would have resulted in a ceasefire.

>>514140962
VC had a goal of "don't kill every single one of us". US had no goal at all. So obviously they won because we didn't kill every single last one of them.

>>514140449
>Because there was no feasible win condition for the US
the objective would have been a stable(?) southern viet regime, or the collapse of the commie north
but i give you that american foreign policy often reminds one of a very childish mindest

>>514134915 (OP)
They had some pretty dang impressive bamboo sticks.

>>514134915 (OP)
It's just very difficult to win a war where the majority of people will fight to the death and are successfully engage in a guerrilla war.

>>514134915 (OP)
>What happened during Vietnam war? Why couldn't US win against farmers with bamboo sticks?
The NVA was the fourth or fifth largest military in the world at the time, with the full backing of both the Soviets and Chinese. Most battles in the Vietnam War were proper combined arms combat against flagged opponents, not guerilla fighting.
We left with a peace treaty in hand, the North betrayed the peace and the US was already well into the mid-70s doldrums and no one was going back.
One thousand US Marines inserted the right way absolutely could take India.

>>514140846
>trusting the on paper objective like a little good goy
Sweatshops still stand in Vientnam, faggot.

>>514141471
They didn't want to use nukes for some reason. It was probably already taboo to use them at that time already.
Americans haven't really used mass forces since vietnam. Their whole strategy is about special units now.

you are all wrong but some more than others
basically the Us fucked itself by not learning it's mistakes in Korea
enemy dead count=\=victory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDk8Fo8ss8M

>>514141766
Objectively incorrect.

If there's no one left alive on the other side, you win.

Kurtz knew this, and realized the madness of fighting to the death while pulling all your punches.

>>514141709
Did you miss the Gulf War and the War on Terror? Hundreds of thousands of soldiers deployed.

>couldn't take Vietnam
America's objective was never to "take" Vietnam, they were assisting the nation of South Vietnam and helping to prevent them from being invaded by the communist north.
Additionally Vietnam and India are completely different places and people. 500 well equipped and well supplied US Marines cold paralyse India.

>>514134915 (OP)
>couldn't win
But we did.
>Paris Peace Accord

Victory comes from God alone. Massacring innocent children for a false flag attack (Gulf of Tonkin) is not a just war in the eyes of God. Defending against such a massacre is. This is a lesson we should have learned in Vietnam instead of repeating in Afghanistan.

>>514140962
>sog operatives had this ratio
It was probably 75 civilians to 25 VC if the numbers are even accurate to begin with. Most of these groups are basically full of liars who make up bullshit once they get out because it's all 'classified'.

>the primary "goal" was a functioning democracy in South Vietnam
Democracy was never the goal. The mutts got involved in this war because it was a way to convince the French to join NATO.

They inherited their Catholic dictatorship and tried to turn it into a second Korea, but were unable to do it because the population simply hated these people. They had a different religion, they were openly corrupt and they simply were seen as a hangover from the French colonial period who had no support outside Saigon.

>mission creep
The mutt army basically functioned the same way the French did before they lost, they tried to kill anyone who opposed the government but it was impossible to stamp it all out because they were fighting the people who hated the government.

>never attacked them
They were constantly bombing North Vietnam. They mined their ports and dropped mines everywhere to stop them coming in.

>>514138704
>first time
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>514141947
the Us dropped more bombs on nam than all of Europe saw during WW2, I don't think you understand the sheer magnitude of the bombing campaigns over nam and laos

you literally can't kill them all,not even fucking close,and the only thing you do in trying is stiffening the already tenacious resistance of the people you are trying to kill. (unless they are white people, white people will happily kill themselves off as a people if you ask them to)

no,you can't kill the all, you only create more enemies unironically

>>514142236
>being this wrong about everything
Wew lad.

>>514134915 (OP)
Vietnamese are better fighters than Indians. 1000 veitnamese could conquer India.

>>514134915 (OP)
This thread is indian spam

>>514141656
Judeo American cope is off the charts
>If America lost Vietnam would end sweat shops
Vietnam does whatever it wants because they kicked you out and are a sovereign nation.
You, on the other hand ... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>514142162
>they were assisting the nation of South Vietnam and helping to prevent them from being invaded by the communist north.
And how that went ?

>>514137870
>Vietnam is THE ONLY COUNTRY in the whole wide world that has NEVER BEEN CONQUERED
No it isn't, there are several countries that have never been conquered and Vietnam isn't one of them. Vietnam was conquered by the Chinese during the Han Dynasty and was under Chinese rule for 1000 years. This is why most Vietnamese have Chinese admixture. Then from the 19th Century to the mid 20th Century the French ruled Vietnam. The only country in SEA that has never been colonised by another is Thailand.

>>514140604
That's like saying CCP didn't win because Taiwan exists.

>>514134915 (OP)
Defense manufacturers stretched it out to profit more with the aid of the president.

>>514141182
False equivalency

>>514142236
>It was probably 75 civilians to 25 VC
You don't know what you're talking about. The Ho Chi Minh trail was the supply line for their entire south western front. It had constant troop movements, and SOG operatives were always heavily outnumbered.

Their missions were not to patrol hooches and get body counts, they were in the middle of the jungle with battalions of NVA regulars constantly on the move down south.

>Democracy was never the goal. The mutts got involved in this war because it was a way to convince the French to join NATO.
The French threatened to fuck NATO if the Americans wouldn't bail them out. They inherited the war through several succeeding presidencies, which was probably part of the region their was never real cohesion for the Americans.

I'm not saying that South Vietnam wasn't corrupt, it absolutely was, but a corrupt democracy was a better alternative than potentially losing all of SEA to communism.

>They were constantly bombing North Vietnam

That's disrupting logistics, a true full scale assault is what it would have taken to qualify as an actual attack on North Vietnam.

>>514142449
The bombing campaigns on Laos and Cambodia were overkill, but those were priority missions and the troops on the ground were always outnumbered and in a bad position.

They weren't carpet bombing every square inch of jungle, it was incredibly condensed, usually bombing logistics or as close air support.
You cannot win a war purely by carpet bombing logistics or troop concentrations, and that was never the aim of the bombing campaigns.

Operation Rolling Thunder was retarded from the outset.
>lets slowly bomb our way up north and surely they'll capitulate before we get there!
Instead, the NVA use the extra time to construct formidable air defences in the north.

Operation Linebacker 1 &2 were to try and pressure the NVA into allowing the US to leave the war on terms that were agreeable to the US.
There was never a bombing campaign solely for kills.

>>514143012
badly,their first mistake was putting a tinpot dictator who actively tried genociding the Vietnamese people
us backed and sponsored concentration camps,for real this time
same concentration camps the north rebels broke into and liberated, everything from there on forward was a lost cause for the Us

>>514143012
We all know how it went. But my point is that the USA never invaded Vietnam, they were invited there by the government of South Vietnam, and they never intended to "take" it.

>>514134915 (OP)
We voluntarily stopped.

I also would argue that win and lose is a poor way to look at this conflict.

>Vietnam won!
Yeah?
Is that what they say at the Agent Orange orphanages where the kids are BORN without arms and legs?
>We won!
Ya sure did, champ. Ya sure did.

>>514142270
>>514142555
Educate me then mutt.

Let me know how the war really played out in your mind.

Did Rambo win it for you? Were you just two weeks away from victory? Did those evil commies send human waves at you that your valiant, non-stoned, non-std ridden soldiers fended off only to be spat at for killing kids when they returned?

Where was your other experience with guerilla warfare prior to this war?

>>514137870
Pretty sure Thailand has never been conquered

>>514142236
>It was probably 75 civilians to 25 VC if the numbers are even accurate to begin with.
They aren't. Where did I see this already ?

>>514140586
>Basically your military would wipe out civilian villages claiming VC were there to meet quotas
Your hate boner for America has made you post some of the most retarded shit I've seen about the Vietnam war. The Vietnamese published their own casualty counts after the war, the civilian dead are lower than military dead, and the military dead wound up being higher than US estimates. The Vietnamese got bodied by the US, largely in part because their ability to save wounded was vastly inferior. They had no air superiority or helicopters in large enough number to do casevac, and in the case of the VC their surgery centers were often tiny, under equipped, and operating in shitty conditions. That's why the US had an order of magnitude more wounded than dead soldiers.
>They were constantly bombing North Vietnam
They were constantly bombing supply trails, of which you will never bomb all of them. Politics hamstrung any kind of strategic bombing beyond that, to the point SEAD missions weren't allowed to be carried out because DC was deathly afraid that bombing NVA SAM sites would kill Soviet or Chinese advisors.

>>514143325
well "kill everyone" is a fantasy
the Us should have never ever ever been involved in nam at all, especially not for the French
the Viet Minh weren't even real communists, nationalists first,then communist maybe

kike wars for like profits,it's all gay

>>514143223
you brought up death tolls retard

>>514134915 (OP)
it was the first time US tested the Giulio Douhet theory if the victory can by archived by air only.

The theory has failed but experiment was successful

>>514143349
>us backed and sponsored concentration camps,for real this time
Holy shit I didn't know that
>same concentration camps the north rebels broke into and liberated
Based commies then, bless them.
>>514143375
>they were invited there by the government of South Vietnam
Are you fucking dumb, SV government was installed by Americans.

>>514143598
Trade was certainly a large aspect of it. Think about Japan. The US was heavily subsidizing its economy, and leaving it isolated without any other trading partners would have been a detriment.

And then geopolitically; this was at the height of the cold war. Losing all of SEA was not something anyone was willing to accept, and the domino theory proved true.

Also true, they were never real communists, communism was simply a means to an end, but the Americans were never going to believe that.

>>514143410
>We voluntarily stopped.
Lmao. After being unable to win that is.

>>514134915 (OP)
No one wanted the yanks there. Only puppet criminal government wanted them there. Also, the aggressive tactics used towards simple villagers and Farmers forced many to become vietcong. They literally saw it as a war against America and not communism. It's like the Same mistake Russians are doing with Ukraine

>>514143856
>SV government was installed by Americans.
Maybe they influenced it later, but at first it was set up by the French.

>>514143223
how?
>>514143598
>the Viet Minh weren't even real communists, nationalists first,then communist maybe
yepp, the burgers could have had a good ally against china in vietnam, almost like today

>>514143968
>I punch you in the face
>you kneel down, holding your broken nose between your hands, tears in your eyes
>I leave

I'm sure you'd claim victory in this scenario too

>>514143510
>The Vietnamese published their own casualty counts after the war
Let's see those

>>514137870
China tried and failed. However Japan did conquer it but for a short time

>>514143325
>The Ho Chi Minh trail was the supply line for their entire south western front. It had constant troop movements, and SOG operatives were always heavily outnumbered.
It was a major trade corridor in general and still is to this day. There were civilian villages all along it that were routinely attacked by these people and claimed as 'vc confirmed kills'.

>they were in the middle of the jungle with battalions of NVA regulars constantly on the move down south.
Their role was to disrupt supply which they did by killing anyone around the area, which concurs with my statement of massive civilian loss of life for a few NVA which were never confirmed kills. Just numbers that they would report.

Part of the reason the mutts believed they were winning was because of these inflated body counts that were reported in.

>as an actual attack on North Vietnam.
If you don't consider bombings a full scale attack then you are retarded.

>>514143510
>The Vietnamese published their own casualty counts after the war, the civilian dead are lower than military dead
I can go to Wikipedia now and see the civilian dead being multiple times the military dead which concurs with my point and that's the CIA's 'correct history' homepage.

>Vietnamese got bodied by the US, largely in part because their ability to save wounded was vastly inferior.
Tends to happen when you are fighting the world's superpower as a nation that had been constantly fighting wars of survival for 30 years. It's amazing that they even put up the fight the did.

>any kind of strategic bombing beyond that,
You mined their civilian harbors and was bombing Hanoi constantly. John McCain was shot down doing the exact thing. Oh wait, because you weren't dropping napalm on civilians it doesn't count.

>>514142105
War on terror is a bunch of small battles.
The gulf war was a joke for the west in terms of losses. 300 people died. 60 thousand died in vietnam.

>>514134915 (OP)
The real answer and TRVTH NVKE is that after the assraping humiliation the chinks gave the zogbot golems in Korea the kike leadership was too scared of pissing off the chinks again. Thus they never even dared of going into North Vietnam.

>>514143410
imagine being this proud over a war you had nothing to do with against a people who did nothing to the American people and defending kike monstrosities because muricaa fig yeah nigguh muh big military dik NIGGAH


the Us lost so much money resources people and geopolitical goodwill internally and externally with nam

we jumped head first into a pigshit pool and came out smelling like a jeet, congratulations on the cool war bro fucking retarded wannabe patriot lemming fucktard

>>514142449
Almost all of them were mines in the middle of nowhere. There are still mines despite years of cleanup work, because many are in remote locations.

>>514142449
>you literally can't kill them all
Like 100,000 japs occupied Vietnam and starved 2-3 million people to death by happenstance. Literally just because they were exporting the crops instead of letting people have it. Wasn't even a genocide campaign or anything, basically an accident. It would have been trivially easy for the US to raze or even just poison the major food production centers of Vietnam.

>>514138771
I agree. Hell let loose Vietnam next year and I rather play as Vietcong vs the US. Mofos were wild. GI GO HOME

>>514143856
>SV government was installed by Americans
It was propped up by Americans definitely but the government of RVN was originally put in place when the state of Vietnam became part of the French Union in the late 1940s. So they had legitimate, internationally recognised government before any involvement by the Americans. My point stands that the Americans did not invade Vietnam.

>>514138307
False. Otherwise they would still be there now faggot idiot

>>514134915 (OP)
Vietnam isnt india, and vice versa

>Why couldn't US win against farmers with bamboo sticks?

They could win. However, it wasn't worth it. A random child could be a military threat, which forced mutts to kill children, something that only Israel can do.

>>514134915 (OP)
Boomers were too weak

>>514144121
>Americans had no losses in Vietnam
So you are an imbecile, got it
>You break into my house to steal my stuff
>You punch me twice
>I punch you once
>You run away with nothing, I stand my ground and defend my home
>Decades later you still seethe and cope how you threw more punches and you broke into my home just for nothing
Your analogy is extremely cretinous

>>514144202
>major trade corridor
lmao

It was literally created by the Vietnamese for the sole purpose of infiltrating south Vietnam

>Their role was to disrupt supply which they did by killing anyone around the area

If you're living in the middle of a jungle on a logistical trail created by the NVA, patrolled by the NVA and which sees tons of munitions and fuel travel down it every day, for the sole purpose of allowing the NVA to fight in the Democratic nation of South Vietnam, chances are you're either a retard or you're NVA.
Either way, there's no issue here.

>Mutts believed they were winning was because of these inflated body counts that were reported in.

They were never that inflated, isolated occurrences did exist were troops would commit atrocities, but the reality is your average infantryman knows the village they patrol during the day supplies the enemy at night, they know there are VC in the villages, but they do not have the training or the intel to figure out exactly who is who, which leads to bad situations.

Bombings are simply not a way you can win a fight by themselves. It is not the same as landing 5 divisions with the strategic aim of destroying the enemy base of operations, nor did they even try to do that with bombing.

>can go to Wikipedia now and see the civilian dead being multiple times the military dead
As self reported by the Vietnamese, who have every reason to lie. They don't even confirm that the Ho Chi Minh trail passed through Laos and Cambodia to this day.

>>514144845
>Americans did not invade Vietnam
They sent 2.5 M soldiers there, if that's not an invasion you are retarded

>>514138278
Sounds like an skill issue.
unsurprised... mexicans replace you... more skilled, cheaper, less snowflaky, less entitled.

>>514134915 (OP)
>What happened during Vietnam war?
i wasnt alive then but gauging the world events which occurred during my era, i can interpolate the data and surmise that Vietnam, just like everything else, was a Jewish operation meant to cull or otherwise dissociate a generation of American males out of the gene pool and divide the country bitterly among itself

>>514144919
>Your partner invites me in as you're a serial abuser
>I stand my ground and protect them, despite your cowardly attacks
>whenever I get you I kick you in the nuts and teabag you while you're crying on the floor
>decades later you're giving me your stuff for free to avoid a repeat of last time

To this day, the flag of McDonalds flies in Ho Chi Minh city

>>514134915 (OP)
Some English traders completely conquered India btw

Why is everyone talking about Vietnam and not India?
Also why does everyone suddenly give a shit about some random retard on twatter

>>514145127
>Sounds like a skill issue
If you’re illiterate, maybe

>>514134915 (OP)
It wasn't a war. It was an excuse for Congress to pour tax dollars into the defense companies they owned stock in.

>>514143598
>the Us should have never ever ever been involved in nam at all, especially not for the French
Fuck the French for their retardation with Vietnam
>hurrr were gonna hold onto our colony and if you try to help the Vietnamese and gain a valuable ally, were gonna join the Comintern!
And then they fucking left anyways.
>>514144137
You have the internet and a keyboard already, you can do it yourself. But because the Hungarian is outright lying about something so easily found, you get pic related too I guess.
>>514144202
>I can go to Wikipedia now and see the civilian dead being multiple times the military dead
>Less civilian dead than military dead = civilian dead being multiple times the military dead
Lmao

>>514144925
>It was literally created by the Vietnamese for the sole purpose of infiltrating south Vietnam
Then why are there still civilians getting their limbs blown off the mines mutts planted on it 50 years later then?

>killing civilians is fine because they were in the wrong area
>but they do not have the training or the intel to figure out exactly who is who, which leads to bad situations.
Are you retarded? The US military had rules of engagement.

>They were never that inflated, isolated occurrences did exist were troops would commit atrocities
Where did you learn about this war? Tell me your sources.

>As self reported by the Vietnamese, who have every reason to lie.
Again, you can go to Wikipedia which is the CIA's official website and see the body counts there from the mutts themselves. Are you fucking retarded or are you trolling, seriously.

>>514143443
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Thailand
Many parts of modern Thailand were annexed for extended periods by Burma at various times, and you can probably count the Franco-Siamese war of 1893 as conquest but those border regions were a mess and peace was achieved long before French troops marched in Bangkok even though the whole country entered their zone of influence.

>>514134915 (OP)
bleeding hearts said we weren't allowed to just scorched earth the jungle

>>514134915 (OP)
its the usual
the whitoids start crying once they meet actual resistance and crumble like bitches
just look how nazi germany lost horribly to the ussr etc
they develop tech to avoid resistance out of genetic cowardice and if it doesn't work they eventually just give up in defeat

>>514138278
>We had nukes
Doesn't exist.

>>514145648
Lmao are you fucking stupid, looking up the kill/death ratios and say that again without feeling like a complete fucking idiot

>>514145265
>>Your partner invites me in as you're a serial abuser
>>I stand my ground and protect them, despite your cowardly attacks
And eventually you run away and leave them at the mercy of the abuser while claiming you somehow won.
Nice self own, retard, you're bad at this,

>>514138704
>scare people into supporting them
actually, there was a whole "Hearts and Minds" strategy that completely fucking backfired for various reasons. Viet Cong weren't that bad, Southern Vietnam leadership were generally awful and bought and paid politicians, America had no actual idea how to win over the Vietnamese people and no matter what they were going to be seen as an invasion force who had no business interfering in what was essentially a civil war.

>>514145474
You left out the last part, how convenient
>Vietnamese civilian dead: 405,000–2,000,000
The citations on this go even higher.

If to assume the 2M number is accurate, then that's 2:1. Congratulations you killed more civilians than enemies. Mission Accomplished

>>514145474
>Vietnam published their own numbers and they are higher than American estimates
>Posts numbers that are 1/3 of the American estimate
Colossal retard

>>514134915 (OP)
>US couldn't take Vietnam
US lost around 58k troops. A high number. VC lost at least 400k if not upwards of a million, it's estimated. The south lost 200k of their own.
The US never lost a fucking battle in Vietnam. It lost the home advantage because it was the first war broadcast on live TV. People not used to seeing war were in horror and they demanded the government pull out. When the US responded and left, that's when the VC invaded.
In other words, fuck off Pajeet.

>>514141947
>>514138447
Obviously smell of napalm in the morning is the correct answer.

>>514145624
>Kills civilians with napalm
>Loses anyway
>We were restrained
Lmao. You can't fight.

>>514145750
You are exactly like Jews

>>514146490
you don't realize how little firebombing we actually did considering we forced soldiers to crawl in their boobytrapped tunnels instead of just blowing them up and burying them alive

>>514146009
>america had no idea how to win over the vietnamese people and were going to be seen as an invasion force
Ho was a huge fan of your country. He literally quoted your declaration of independence at the Versailles peace conference to try to get independence from France and his guerillas worked with the OSS against the Japs in WW2.

He offered your country naval bases and airfields to counter China who was Vietnam's historical enemy (and yours after Korea) and desperately wanted to be your friend and ally.

But you fucked him and his people to please the French and to enable NATO, forced him to go to the Soviets and then attacked him for being a communist. It really is disgusting and it just shows what America is as a nation.

>>514146878
It's all a cope. You lost and you were afraid to go into NV just like you were afraid to go after the Taliban
Shit army.

>>514146169
How convenient you're using the highest possible estimate to make your argument. An estimate on civilian dead, in a country that was extremely rural and lacked any running water or electricity across most of it, during a massive war spanning 10 years, is going to have variance and inaccuracies. Using the highest possible number given is fucking stupid, as is using the lowest possible number, which is why I'm not doing that. If I wanted to be as dishonest as you, I'd just say only 400k civilians died on both sides during the whole war.
>>514146229
>ignoring military MIA
What do you think happened to the 232k NVA/VC that have been missing since the war? Spoiler, most of them probably died in a jungle and nobody found or recovered the bodies. And here, I'll even more precisely word my statement for your autism, because I made it based off of memory from looking at casualty counts years ago.
>The Vietnamese published casualty count, is roughly in line with the US estimates of their casualties

Who was president that started the Vietnam war? Lyndon B Johnson, who used a false flag to goad congress into supporting the war. "We can't let communism win!" Fuck off.

Now, ask yourself, what jewish compromised fuck set the rules of engagement for Vietnam?
>you must have a visual target
>you have to watch your friend die first, don't fire a shot before you get shot or else you are going to military prison
>we have complete air superiority, but dont win too much. We want to do something that will embolden the enemy like Rolling Thunder because they know we can't bloody noses

>>514144598
it would be trivially easy, but for what?
they could have been a great ally against the Chinese/commie bloc
the Us killing potential allies for no reason is accurate I guess

>>514145993
>and eventually run away
More like you beg me to leave because you're intimidated by my unmatched fighting prowess, and promise you won't hurt your partner anymore, which, as a white man I take at your word, only for you to immediately stab them in the back

>>514147153
lmao
whatever makes you sleep better at not not-russia

>>514147192
>How convenient you're using the highest possible estimate to make your argument.
There is another source that writes 3.4 million. Do you want me to use that instead? The only reason I'm using it is to prove that your country's strategy is to 'kill em all'.

>>514147402
>why can't we just carpet bomb their entire country
Who is worse kikes in israel or mutts.

>>514134915 (OP)
Do an image search for what Vietnam looks like. That shit is fucking treacherous to traverse especially if you don’t know the area well(which the locals did).

It wouldn’t be the same boots on the ground operation. We are well past that. Most of it would be fought by robots.

>>514134915 (OP)
>couldnt take Vietnam
misleading, The American army never attempted to invade North Vietnam. Instead they tried just bombing the crap out of it but the will of the Vietnamese people was greater than the bombs and they rebuilt everything constantly.

>>514147192
>I akshully said
>is roughly in line with the US estimates of their casualties
Why lie ? you said >>514143510
>and the military dead wound up being higher than US estimates.
You are a complete idiot
Of course, the numbers are way lower than 3.5M
>What about 200k
What about 2M

>>514147482
This is a massive cope and quite retarded
>American objective: Prevent NV from taking over and installing communism
>NV objective: Take over and install communism
>Outcome: NV takes over and installs communism
>American objective: failed to achieve
>NV objective: achieved
>Result: NV victory, American defeat

>>514147556
They are very similar, maybe the same

Supply lines win wars. The US has never really won any wars. We helped the British with their supply problems in WW1 and WW2.

>>514147556
I want you to stop being so dishonest but clearly you're entirely incapable of that or admitting you're wrong. If the US was murdering civilians en masse and reporting those as enemy combatants killed, their estimates of NVA/VC casualties would be several times higher than published Vietnamese casualty numbers, not pretty much in line them. Especially considering its wikipedia, a CIA website after all, right?
>>514147970
I reworded what I said, because what I said came from years old memory of the last time I looked at casualty counts. Yes, I was wrong in saying their military dead were higher than US estimates, if you are using the absolute highest end of the US estimate of NVA casualties compared to their reported numbers. You done harping on the one "gotcha" you have, or are you gonna keep going??

>>514139154
I'm trying but no luck so far. Not willing to pay but if I was it can be had for $25 which is half of what I saw it for in Cambodia a number of years ago.

>>514134915 (OP)
>comparing warrior Vietnamese with slave cattle Indians.
Lmao 20000 British boys with too much freetime DID take all of India filled with 300 million slaves.

>>514138771
French and Americans are not white and never were.

China was supplying the North Vietnamese with weapons, just like NATO is doing with Ukraine.

>>514135025
They are born soldiers. Every successive generation of theirs for centuries has had a war, it's in their blood. They've been fighting defensive wars against every major power to set foot on their land for a millennium. You can't beat the Vietnamese. Not on their own turf at least.

>>514148645
>If I wanted to be as dishonest as you, I'd just say only 400k civilians died on both sides during the whole war.
The Vietnamese reported number is around a million, the middle estimate between 400k and 3.4M is 2M. That makes it 2:1 civilian to military, doesn't that meet your criteria?

The wholesale murder (termed 'collateral damage') and disregard of civilian life was basically a stereotype of the mutt military during this war.

Napalm a village full of civilians because someone supposedly shot at you from there, fine. Massacre a village because they supposedly are sympathetic to the NVA, fine. And so on.

>>514149377
Why is the US estimate of NVA/VC casualties roughly in line with reported Vietnamese numbers if the US was just killing civilians and reporting them as combatants?

>>514148645
>You done harping on the one "gotcha" you have, or are you gonna keep going??
The fuck are you on about, you made a claim, I called BS, you started squirming and now you admit you were wrong but somehow I did something wrong and now you're kvetching ?
You were wrong, get over yourself.

>>514149207
But Nam won and Ukraine is losing

>>514139316
>if we hadn't lost we would have easily won!
Muttoid cope is unreal

>>514149986
>you admitted you were wrong
>so im gonna continue to harp on about the most minute thing you admitted being wrong about, while making fun of you for being able to admit you were wrong about something
Done now? Feel better?

>>514147556
You can easily prove your point if you answer me one question: What war has any country, tribe, army, etc. won (kinetic war only please) with the same ROE? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by scaling it to the level of technology they happened to possess at the time.

>Romans have limited use of sputum and broadswords
>mongels have limited use of horses
>Turks have limited use of gunpowder

>>514148346
>Objective: Protect the spouse
>Wife beater objective: Beat the spouse
>Arrive, defend successfully, but hold yourself back out of common decency
>Wife beater realizes he can't win, and accepts your demands for no further hostilities
>Wife beater waits until you're gone and goes back to doing what he does best

>>514134915 (OP)
>Why couldn't US win against farmers with bamboo sticks?
Thye had brand spankin new AK-47's.

>>514149685
>if the US was just killing civilians and reporting them as combatants?
>US estimate: 666,000–950,765
>Vietnam Estimate: 849,018 military dead (per Vietnam; 1/3 non-combat deaths)
If to consider 850k the midpoint and assume that 1/3rd of the casualties are non-combat deaths, then around 230k+ civilian deaths in the mutt assessment were civilian deaths (33%) passed off as military casualties that is in addition to the millions mutts killed through collateral damage.

These numbers make you look even worse. I don't know what you are trying to achieve here.

>>514150518
>I call BS
>He admits it was BS
>But somehow I'm in the wrong because his fewfews got booboo

We conquered them though. Everything went to shit when we gave control to South Vietnam.

>>514150552
Your country is a signatory to the Geneva Convention and claimed to represent the rules based international order, freedom, democracy and everything else.

You imposed it on yourself because supposedly you were better than everyone else held yourself to a higher standard. Ask yourself that.

>>514150891
>Ignoring the over 200k MIA NVA/VC
>AKA they fucking died in a jungle and nobody was able to find and recover the body
You know you could just admit you were wrong and that yes, the US managed a higher K/D ratio against the NVA and VC. You can say this while also saying the war was retarded in every possible way and never should have happened. It's not hard to do.
>millions mutts killed through collateral damage
Do you honestly think that the NVA and VC didn't kill a single civilian and that it was entirely the US? That the ARVN didn't kill a single one either?
>>514150906
Still gonna keep going then?

>>514134915 (OP)
We DID win in Vietnam, though.

We beat North Vietnam so badly so often that we got them to sign the Paris Accords which stated that they would find a diplomatic solution to the war with SV and they went back on it as soon as most of our forces had left the country.

This is the same level of cope as saying we lost in Korea because NK still exists.

>>514151119
Okay?

The original question still stands. Which your lack of answer will also answer OP's question.

>>514151931
>We tried to stop them militarily, were unable to, then made an aggreement to save face as we pulled out
>This is a victory

>>514151459
>You know you could just admit you were wrong and that yes, the US managed a higher K/D ratio against the NVA and VC.
Your mutt military was big on confirmed kills. That's why they'd cut off ears and other shit to prove that they killed enemies. The mutt estimate means that someone was getting killed and there was something to prove it. Vietnam was your first techwar where all the casualty numbers were collected and put through computers to give forecasts and other stuff.

The discrepancy means that someone died who wasn't a Vietnamese soldier and was passed off as one. Hence my previous numbers.

>higher k/d ratio
My point is that your country massacred civilians to pump this up. I never denied that you killed more of them than they did of you.

>you think the nva or vc didn't kill civlians and it was entirely the us
Considering your tactics of bombing everything, shooting artillery everywhere and spraying villages if there was supposedly a shot fired, I'm inclined to think it was mostly your doing.

>it should have never happened
Millions of people are dead because of your country and your stupid imperialism. That's a stain that you can't just hand waive away. If this happened to your country, you would never stop complaining about it. Every one of the people that your country killed meant something to someone and you killed them so you could color a map a certain way and win friends in Europe, it's absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of this war.

>>514151459
Gish gallop, boomer go die for israel already

>>514152080
Dont try to argue with these delusional retards, i once saw one of them claim taliban using captured US patches is an american cultural victory lol

>>514152076
They quite literally could not do ANYTHING militarily while we were there. They lost every major engagement against us. We had complete air supremacy for 95% of the war. We did everything we could do to set SV up and then it fell apart after we left.

>>514152270
So, the objective of keeping the south US aligned failed = you lost
War isnt about kills or destruction, modern mutts have forgotten this

>>514151931
>fail at everything
>give up
>I won!
jews have turned Americans into the most pathetic slaves in history

>>514152423
It was aligned with us until we left. Our goal in Korea was to keep the north from invading the south, but if in the future for whatever reason SK decides to let NK annex them it doesn’t mean that we retroactively lost that war.

>>514152666
>we were winning up until the point where we lost everything, gave up, and went home in shame
kek

>>514152632
You worship a spic you stupid kike

>>514152080
>My point is that your country massacred civilians to pump this up
Your point is immediately proven wrong when you look at reported Vietnamese casualties against US estimates.
>The mutt estimate means that someone was getting killed and there was something to prove it
It also means that a guy reported to his Lieutenant he tagged a guy and saw him fall into brush, but might have never seen the body or was unable to find it, and the Lieutenant or other senior officer added it to the list of enemy casualties in his AAR. That's why they call it an "estimate" retard, they don't know for absolute sure because they don't see or grab every single body of the enemy.
>you should be ashamed of this war
I should be ashamed of a war that happened decades before I was born? Should I be ashamed for muh slavery? Should I be ashamed of a white guy on the other side of my country being racist against muh poor nigger too?
>>514152109
I'm 26, fuck Israel I hope them and Palestine kill each other.

>>514152632
>fail at everything
>keep NV from invading SV for two decades
>it only falls after a peace agreement was signed and we leave

>>514152758
>making your enemy sign a peace agreement means you lost

>>514152666
If you ditched south korea during the war there and the north took over shortly after, that is a lost war and a failure to reach US goals.
>>514152632
Ye basically that. Its so pathetic. Ive heard the argument of "technically it wasnt a loss" before, and thats already cope. Ig now cope levels have increased and it was actually a victory

>>514134915 (OP)
the short answer is limited warfare doesn't work if your objective is to win a war.

>krauts calling anyone slaves when their own country and women are being raped by sandniggers while they plead for more immigrants
lel

>>514152793
>schizophrenic non-sequitur
>>514152873
>we succeeded up until the point where we failed
>>514152911
>we made them agree that we lost and were giving up, that means we won
Buck broken on a spiritual level

>>514152270
>They quite literally could not do ANYTHING militarily while we were there.
And you couldn't do shit in NV
You've lost
>Prevent NV from taking over
>NV takes over
>See ? America won
Americans are Jews down to every fiber of their fat Jewish body

>>514152873
>South was only invaded after we left!!!111
First off, i think the tet offensive was a thing, and the vietkong were generally very active in the south (were you fought)
Secondly, the north took over because you left, and you left because it was no longer achievable to win over there. This means you lost
>>514153110
Mutts law

>>514153132
>>schizophrenic non-sequitur
>n..n..no don't expose me for the disingenuous groyper that I am!!!!!
kys kike

>>514138307
>France both conquered Vietnam
Dien Bien Phu. WHATEVA' HAPPENED THERE.
>>514138429
Cope, it was still a WASP establishment. Not everything was "muh jews" fault you disingenous faggot.
>>514138704
>Mutts dealt with guerilla warfare for the first time. They tried to beat it with body counts, defoliants and killing civilians but failed because the enemy simply waited for them to leave and beat the puppet regime they left behind because they couldn't exist with mut support.
This. They would have more success sticking to small scale Special Forces operations, endearing the locals' trust and maybe not murdering the only remotely competent and illiberal South Vietnamese leader Diem OR going outright total war and invading the North (and Laos, Cambodia if need be) or better yet not getting involved in a deeply internal ethnopolitical local issue ad minding its fucking beeswax.

>>514153151
>you couldn’t do shit in NV

>bombed them unopposed
>prevented them from even being able to cross their own border into SV
>beat them in every single major engagement
>you couldn’t do shit in NV

Buncha dead gooks sure is a win in my book. Yeehaw

>>514134915 (OP)
most of it was that they were in holes underground and the US wasn't allowed to just flood the holes and kill them because of the geneva convention

they were also good pilots but mostly, the holes

>>514153320
>Still lost

>>514138771
Very true.

>>514143428
>Where was your other experience with guerilla warfare prior to this war?
The Revolutionary War

>>514153110
>amerimongrel fantasizing about White girls in a 90% White country being raped
Every single time, Americans are jewish slaves that have adopted the worldview of their masters

>>514153415
I accept your concession

>>514134915 (OP)
Globohomo lost, like they very often do

>>514153415
Objectively not true. The war ended in a ceasefire. That's like saying because Germany came back in 1939 Germany didn't lose WW1.

>>514153485
>90% White country
Who’s gonna tell him?

>>514134915 (OP)
less than 10k malnourished orphans off the streets of London managed to rape that entire sub continent. I'd say 1k fit and healthy marines is overkill.

>>514152666
>if in the future for whatever reason SK decides to let NK annex them it doesn’t mean that we retroactively lost that war.
But what if NK took over SK immediately after you left and you had to evacuate in panic because that's what happened in Vietnam

>>514153212
>you're jewish because you don't support ZOG
Least schizophrenic rightoid

>>514139316
>caressing your "friend" with a barbed wire glove
Pretty much the modus operandi of all retarded, disingenuous, ZOG and post WWII "boomer truth regime" wars.

>>514152866
>Your point is immediately proven wrong
There is a missing third of Vietnamese non-combat casualties that are in US estimates. There is no way to account for this other than civilians claimed as combatants because they couldn't know about non-combat North Vietnamese deaths.

>It also means that a guy reported to his Lieutenant he tagged a guy and saw him fall into brush
Isn't that my point? The mutt numbers aren't just made up out of nothing. They are reported based on combat actions or other forms of proof.

>I should be ashamed of a war that happened decades before I was born?
Yes. As a citizen of the US, you inherit the guilt of wars carried out in your country's name. You bear the guilt for this same as for Afghanistan, Iraq and every other bombing mission or intervention 'for democracy'.

>should i be ashamed of being white or slavery
I don't care. In my opinion, your country deserves kike domination, the culture war and eventually being the minority-majority for the misery you have inflicted on the planet during your time at the top.

>>514141709
>They didn't want to use nukes for some reason. It was probably already taboo to use them at that time already.
Hanoi is near China, nuking Vietnam would be if the Soviets nuked Mexico. Sure they didn't nuke us directly, but its one hell of a threat and would've escalated the war needlessly.

>>514134915 (OP)
Vietnam is a big country that's extremely hard to make your way through, and setup effective defendable supply lines

If you understand cubic area square mileage scaling, it was basically impossible to ship enough jarheads to occupy that sheer area of land, and not be spread utterly thin

>>514137870
China ruled vietnam for nearly a thousand yers, retard.

>>514134915 (OP)
>farmers with bamboo sticks

Such a retarded meme about the Vietnam war. The Viet Cong weren't really that big of a part of the war and their impact is greatly overstated by retards like you. Also, retards like you forget that the NVA was a thing and they were a proper and professional conventional army. The NVA did the bulk of the fighting, not the Viet Cong. And they weren't poorly equipped either. They were being supplied with top of line (at the time) Soviet equipment.

>>514153617
>I WANT YOU TO SUPPORT A SPIC AS YOUR WHITE LEADER I AM TOTALLY NOT A JEW
Put a gun in your head kike

>>514139871
It was America's "special retard operation" but in fairness cut off a ton of proverbial fat of and polished your military into its short lived golden age which I guess began in earnest around Grenada and ended sometime in the 2000's.

>>514134915 (OP)

Mutts BTFO!

>>514153507
Ww1 ended in a peace treaty actually
A ceasefire is just the temporary cessations of hostilities, often with the idea of working out an agreement.
The simple fact is, vietnam was wholly communist after this, which isnt just a loss but also a collossal failure in US foreign policy
>>514153548
Its actually only around 87% or so. If we counted middle easterners as whites as the US census does, we'd likely be 98%+ white

>>514134915 (OP)
They did take it. The problem is they left when the 2 year mutt attention span expired.

>>514140524
A conventional invasion of the north would have done the job but you were too shit scared of a billion thinks steaming across the border and waging a Korea 10.0 lmao shut the fuck up.

>>514153922
North vietnam was never invaded retard

>>514153320
>bombed them unopposed
You are a retard who doesn't know what happened in Vietnam
See picrel

>>514153885
>a treaty is just a bit of paper actually
>the simple fact is, in 1933 Germany started remobilizing and ended up in a stronger position in 1939 than it had been, which was a colossal failure in allied policy and retroactively means Germany won WW1

>>514153507
The war 'ended' with the official legitimization by the South Vietnamese of continued NVA and Vietcong operations in the South, the humiliating withdrawal of the US, and the total castration of the South Vietnamese government.
Juat like in Afghanistan, the ceasefire was an agreement for the US to run away before the North finished the job. It just took a few months in Vietnam instead of a few hours.
>>514153548
>muttoid addicted to interracial porn continues fantasizing

>>514153667
>Yes. As a citizen of the US, you inherit the guilt of wars carried out in your country's name. You bear the guilt for this same as for Afghanistan, Iraq and every other bombing mission or intervention 'for democracy'.

Great, so I guess we'll see you apologize for WW1 and because of that, WW2 as well?

>>514134915 (OP)
We beat the shit out of the farmers armed with soviet weapons actually. People at home just decided one american life was worth more than 20 vietnamese lives so they demanded we stop fighting.

>>514153811
>more schizo screeching at hallucinations

>>514140604
The Central Highlands saw some brutal fighting. Hue and Khe Sanh in I Corps (Marines) too yes. But the hill fights were savage. The 101st got mauled by the NVA in countless battles (they mauled the NVA in return) and the 173rd was literally almost wiped out to the man in terms of overall casualties. I'm not sure who took it harder the Marines or the Airborne.

The average vietnamese child today still has traces of agent orange in their blood. Always found this cope about america to be funny imo every time we lose a war it looks something like ransacking and decimating their entire country for 20 years then taking off and whichever shit hole rebel group we were war criming takes power then says LOOK WE WON AGAINST LE GREAT SATAN"

>>514154108
you can make stuff up all you want. USA lost in vietnam

>>514134915 (OP)
>What happened during Vietnam war?
The Cold War to prevent the spread of communism was fake. Based on, but not limited by, the following facts
>The Russian revolution was funded by Wall St Jews and American Jew bankers
>the US helped communist child become a modern industrial power
>communist professors were invited to teach at universities, now every university is filled with them and left wingers
>communist infiltration of FDR admin, and later administrations and Hollywood, exposed by McCarthy who was discredited by the jew media

If we were fighting a sincere war against communists the infiltration would’ve been exposed and stopped. Since it was permitted by the Jewish controllers nothing was done about it. 58k dead young men in Vietnam in order to make money and start a counter cultural revolution at home. You have to know the actual objective of a war before you can make a determination as to what winning or losing is.

>>514154116
>i-it just took extra time after the war was over
Cope.

By every single metric America won.

>>514153988
Which is funny, because China did invade Vietnam later in the 80s and the Vietnamese sent them packing too. Beat the French, the US and China. Looks like Vietnam is giving Afghanistan some competition for the "Graveyard of Empires" title.

>>514134915 (OP)
>+++ COGITATOR BROADCAST: NODE - RETURN PULSE +++

Signal breaks silence again.
Main conduit remains: >>514142042
Enter there, the glyphs converge.

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>>514154259
*communist China was helped by the US

>>514134915 (OP)
Americans dont have the stomach for war. That's literally it.

>>514154272
>I'm not coping, you are!
This is extra pathetic considering that you are a pajeet or (an israeli) coping on behalf of the US.

>>514134915 (OP)
It turns out that killing only makes people more radical, not less. The (((USA))) deserves its fate, s.

>>514141238
Viets' basically just wanted any and all forrins' white people and chinks to get the fuck out and fought to the bitter end to achieve those goals. That's more than any of us can say for any European nation amidst mass migration (invasion.)

>>514154228
>more pilpul from a kike who worships a gay spic as his leader

>>514154243
>fail to accomplish a single war aim
>but we maimed and poisoned some of your kids!
100% judaized

>>514141259
>functioning
>democracy

Should have just let the rice commies take over Vietnam.

White blood should not be wasted on foreign brownoids.

>>514154272
Which of their goals were achieved?

>>514154272
No we didn't. To win a war, you must achieve the objective you set out to achieve. Our goal was to prevent a communist takeover of Vietnam. The communists took over. We failed our stated objective. Hence, we lost the war. Refusing to acknowledge our military failures doesn't help us and makes it harder for us to prevent such failures going forward.

>>514154195
>ww1
We were subservient to the Habsburgs and the A-H empire. We paid our penance for having our country cut up after losing a big fraction of our male population making us go from wealthy to poor.

>ww2
We paid for this by being occupied by the communists and having our country completely fucked up by the Red Army and Nazis fighting over it. What little remained after WW1 was gone completely and we turned into an irrelevant country.

My country's conscience is clear. We may have done shitty things but we paid the price for them. The mutts never have.

>>514153667
If you remove 1/3rd of Vietnamese military deaths, then add 200k to that number, (less than their total MIA, there were likely some desertions despite how motivated the Vietnamese were) you get 766k dead from combat, which still falls firmly within the US estimate and is practically right in the middle of it.
>Isn't that my point
Your point is that they were big on confirming kills. Mine is that they were reporting casualties inflicted on the enemy that might not have even happened. Soldiers have a habit of misreporting things that didn't actually happen. In the example I gave you, said soldier might have in fact tagged a VC fighter and saw him fall but said VC fighter might have only been wounded and lived on, or wasn't even hit and just ducked and crawled away, but was reported as a kill in the AAR. Another example of soldiers misreporting shit was Korea with troops claiming the .30 carbine wasn't able to penetrate frozen Chinese coats, when in reality they were just fucking missing, because the M1/M2 Carbine kinda sucks at hitting shit beyond 250 yards, and they often engaged beyond those distances with said weapons or were just a shit shot.
>Yes. As a citizen of the US, you inherit the guilt of wars carried out in your country's name
Lmao fuck off with your generational guilt bullshit. That shit is the exact same argument bleeding hearts use to say white countries should import infinity shitskins and be replaced in their homeland.

>>514141947
Kurtz' letter and monologue scenes about the war read by Willard are the best parts of the movie.

>>514154657
>Going forward
Afganistan was same shit btw, and you see the same copes

>>514144140

China conquered Vietnam multiple times. It was part of China for almost a thousand years.

Why do people just make shit up and talk out of their ass?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_under_Chinese_rule

>>514142620
This.

same ole cargo cult nigger cope, if america leaves after t-bagging your corpse it means you win...kek.
>just brown things

>>514154657
> Our goal was to prevent a communist takeover of Vietnam.
That was the stated goal. Why would you believe them? The Frankfurt school was given teaching positions at Columbia and other universities. Communists were invited in to teach students. After decades cultural Marxism spread to the current “woke” state. If we fought a war to stop the spread of communism in Vietnam why didn’t we fight it in our own country?

>>514154657
It’s also helpful to compare it to what winning a war looks like. For example, with japan, it was ruled by a US military dictatorship for nearly a decade after, and we deindustrialized them so sufficiently that the entire country nearly collapsed.

>>514138278
So, 1000 marines could NOT take India, iow?

>>514154528
It's insane watching groypers accuse others of being Jews

>>514154528
Well seamonkeys were so backwards and undeveloped that the NVAs could just hide weapons caches in other countries and we couldnt do anything about it.

They were also just mostly terrorists

>>514154768
Yeah, it seems we backslid in our military thinking. It's like we learned our lesson on Vietnam and kicked ass all through the 80s and 90s, then forgot all the lessons we learned on Vietnam after 9/11 and became retards again.

vietnam was the most jewish war, literally no reason to be there

It is impossible to win occupation wars. Eventually the operation becomes unsustainable and you have to go home.

>>514154855
Destruction and murder isnt winning a war
A war is diplomacy with force
Diplomacy aims to reach foreign policy goals
Murdering a lot, yet failing to reach any goal is a niggers idea of war

>>514154528
Not to make you cry but your white ancestors have been doing this to eachother's white peasants for the length of recorded history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevauch%C3%A9e
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North

>>514154368
The ARVN was the one who provided the bulk of the cannon fodder

>>514155059
nigger until we left there was no change, objective achieved...or did hitler beat the red army you coping brown ass mudnigger faggot?

>>514155059
How the hell can a german say this with a straight face lol you've started the two deadliest wars in history so you can rampage on a bunch of slavs then get firebombed

>>514152270
>We had complete air supremacy
Can you have "complete air supremacy" while losing about 10,000 aircraft?

>>514155045
You don't think Iraq was the most Jewish war? The CIA lied to the president that they know they were developing a nuke

Then again there's plenty of tales about bunkers covered in concrete that nobody saw the inside of

>>514154899
It wasn't strictly ideological, the problem with North Vietnamese communism was its national character. They wanted independence and soveriegnty.
>>514155061
At least you admit you aren't White, unlike most ZOGshills.

>>514154715
>within the US estimate
If to take the midpoint between low and high, then it's the Vietnamese number. If to use a single number that corroborates it's that. I'm not going to do this argument again with you.

>Soldiers have a habit of misreporting things that didn't actually happen.
Fair point but even if you were to assume that it's a 50% rate of misreporting, that's still 125k people confirmed dead which is huge.

>fuck off with your generational guilt bullshit
Both the Germans and the Russians have to still deal with the stigma associated with their previous empires and their crimes. So why should you be spared this?

You are closing in with your global kill count to both of these empires combined.

>infinity shitskins
Well you kind of deserve it. You bombed the shit out of most of the places these people come from and are responsible for the cartels with your drug addiction which is fucking up Mexico and Central America.

>>514138184
> Look at the death tolls ya hick and tell me who won

Southerners say that too about the Civil War lol.

You know who never says “look at the death toll and tell me who really won”?

People who actually win wars.

>>514155243
I think literally you're correct, as it stands to the interests of Greater Israel, but speciously we at least had a MO to invade
Vietnam was just arbitrage, zero justification, not even of the false flag variety, so spiritually the most jewish

>>514136990
AHHH SENPAI I THINK IM G-GONNA KWEEEEEEIF

>>514155206
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
>>514155310
I have blue eyes, I was just being charitable enough to assume that you arent a seething mexican. Are you? Or are you a white man who can understand that war is hell

>>514155150
You were there to prevent a communist takeover
Communists took over because the US couldnt upkeep this operation. This is a failure
>>514155156
Actually german mobile war didnt aim to kill and maim, it aimed to quickly defeat armed forces and state and thus win. Russia was just a failure. I suppose according to mutt logic we won bc of muh k/d though. Nigger

>>514155150
>ESL muttoid gets confused by his own talking points
lmao
It really does seem like every AMERICA RULES poster is non-White
>>514155488
>I have blue eyes
kek

>>514155522
cope mudnigger, no such takeover occurs until we leave. or i guess russia lost to hitler then...kek poor dumb seething coping brown turd of a nigger faggot.

>>514155206
To be fair, only about half of that 10,000 were fixed-wing fighters and bombers. Your point still stands though since losing over 5,000 combat aircraft is still a significant loss and certainly does not indicate we had control of the skies.

>>514154648
An end to the hostilities, which they never caused in the first place, which allowed peace with honor.

>>514154720
Absolutely. They're also the parts that most resemble Heart of Darkness.

>>514154657
>Our goal was to prevent a communist takeover of Vietnam
Which you had them agree to not do and left.
They broke the arrangement afterwards.

The factories supplying the weapons were in china and Russia. It was also about winning the Cold War more than Vietnam itself. Ww2 ww1 were about those wars, Vietnam was about a larger struggle.

>>514134915 (OP)
Also, they weren't mf "farmers with bamboo sticks" they were a hardcore, well trained, well motivated, well equipped professional army (NVA) and a massive nationwide insurgency with the intelligence and craft to build 10k or more miles of tunnels. Just because there isn't a single shitskin on the planet (or most whites) with the same level of grit or ingenuity of the Viets' doesn't mean you should be meming them into the tier of le bacha bazi boy raping sandnigger vermin of Afghanistan who got blown the fuck out any time they dared show their child grooming heads.

>>514155657
>seething brown mutt sharting noises
you ok bitch nigger? america circumcise your uncle by striking the goat lil faggot?

>>514137870
France did
That title goes to Afghanistan Japan and Ethiopia

>>514155522
Germans had entire segments of their military dedicated to slaughtering civilians for like 200 years lol dont pretend youre unaware of einsatzgruppen
>>514155657
Lol are you actually gonna tell me you have brown eyes and are trying to pull the youre not white shit? For real

>>514155678
>They only took over after we left
>We only came there with the explicit goal of preventing a takeover
Do you see the issue here?
>>514155712
Peace with honour? Lel, people clown on them to this day for losing to rice farmers
But right, none if their actual goals were reached = loss

>>514155310
groyper kike

>>514155712
>They broke the arrangement afterwards.
Look at all this communism

How is American retail doing btw?

>>514155488
Yeah, the US dropped vast amounts of nasty shit on Vietnam. And lost a vast amount aircraft in the process. The RoV also lost a vast amount of aircraft. What was your point? That the south was relatively safer for US/RoV aircraft to operate in?

>>514141103
Anglo Jew play book

Imagine if black nationalists shot up a white neighborhood because they suspected a kkk member hiding there

>>514134915 (OP)
The US deliberately fought with two hands behind their back
1) in order to prolong the war as long as possible, so that the military industrial complex could reap profits for as long as possible,
2) because there were actually bleeding heart faggots who didn't want to allow the soldiers to do total war,
3) because eventually it was more trouble than it was worth to actually try to occupy the area.

>>514134915 (OP)
I haven't even began reading replies ITT but already know it will be a literal plethora of highly-triggered Mutts

>>514155896
yes faggot i see that according to you hitler beat stalin because there are no red army troops in berlin. poor dumb brown faggot.

>>514155943
That we had air superiority to the degree that we could rain poison on them for upwards of a decade?

>>514155044
> It's like we learned our lesson on Vietnam and kicked ass all through the 80s and 90s
Only if the lesson was "do not fight anyone who is capable of putting up a fight"
>>514155891
>obvious ESL
>crying about the holohoax

>>514155896
yes faggot i see that according to you hitler beat stalin because there are no red army troops in berlin. poor dumb brown faggot.

lemme help you queermeat, stop getting out the bed, comparing your little dicklet to america who stole your faggot dentures and fucked your tranny gurlfren, and then seething all day like a teen girl shit talking stacey for having better tits, it wont help you any at all. focus on being less brown.

>>514146169
Reparations for Vietnam

>>514155891
Military strategy =/= nazi racial policy
Nuance
>>514155980
Huh?

>>514155712
> They broke the arrangement afterwards.

Then that means we should have immediately sent the troops back to Vietnam to prevent them from taking over.

If it was a real arrangement that’s what would have happened when they broke it. Of course it wasn’t a real agreement. It was just something to save face about losing so people like you could cope.

>>514134915 (OP)
Did the US military even go full force in Vietnam or Afghanistan?
Wouldn't the fighting be like Gaza if they did?

>>514156110
>ESL niggerbabble
>calls other people brown
The absolute state of zogshills

The us clearly failed to stop the spread of communism in Vietnam

>>514156014
The guy I responded to wrote "complete air supremacy". Obviously, the US had air superiority.

>>514156214
>esl
kek out yourself harder faglet, there is not a native english speaker who with an xbox controller who has trouble reading my spew, only a brown assed foreign ESL faggot like you NEEDS proper grammar punctuation ect so his faggot tranaslator app doesnt choke out

ghit phocked lil brown nigger bitch

>>514156110
Holy seethe kek

>>514154238
pretty sure your mum took it the hardest mate

>>514156411
>noooo you cant fuck my mouf noo!
cry harder little girl.

>>514156168
>we should have immediately sent the troops back to Vietnam to prevent them from taking over.
Yes. The hippies, which helped pressure the US into withdrawing, would never have allowed it.

>>514155896
But their goals were objectively achieved. What happens afterwards is irrelevant.

There was no strategic bombing campaign in Vietnam Hanoi was basically untouched

Brb getting some communist Louis Vuitton

>>514156211
>Did the US military even go full force in Vietnam or Afghanistan?
>Wouldn't the fighting be like Gaza if they did?
Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Gaza are not remotely comparable situations. The NVA was a large professional army with tanks and fighter jets that was only slightly behind the US technologically. This was mostly due to Soviet help of course, but still they were not going to go down quickly in an all out fight. They were still shooting down B-52s with MiG-21s right before we left.
Obviously they couldn't have outlasted the US in terms of logistics but the US could not have outlasted them politically.

>>514156368
>more jeet-tier screeching
this is the best defense anyone can offer for the US anymore
Sad!

>>514156450
This talk is about US foreign policy aims and failures in vietnam. If you wanna act like an upset woman go somewhere else
>>514156557
What happened afterward was specifically what they aimed to prevent with this war. Thus, its a failure and a loss. This argument of "technically they pulled out just before" is just semantics

>>514156068
I shouldn't be surprised that its a mexican larping as white trying to shit on america but somehow i was lol
>>514156154
Einsatzgruppen existed before nazis retard
>>514156287
Now we cope ok

>>514155322
>then it's the Vietnamese number.
I'm using the Vietnamese number. When you take 1/3rd out of 849k dead, you get 566k. Add 200k from the total of 230k MIA, you get 766k which is in the middle range of US estimates.
>that's still 125k people confirmed dead which is huge
They're not going to be confirmed, that's the point I'm trying to make when saying the US numbers are estimates, and why there is such a wide range between the lowest and highest numbers. I'm gonna reiterate this again. Some AAR's will report more enemy dead than there actually are because combat is extremely chaotic, or soldiers will lie about hitting a guy. Joe McConscript might claim he shot three gooks that ambushed his squad on patrol, when in reality he just sprayed in their direction, missed, saw them duck, and they crawled off into the jungle. But because Joe said he shot them, they get added to an AAR as 3 enemy fighters dead, which then gets added to that casualty estimate. In a 10 year war, a lot of those incidents can happen and add up.
>Well you kind of deserve it
Do the British people deserve to be erased from existence because their country occupied India for a while? Indians certainly think so, and they're fucking gleeful about the fact that Brits are becoming a minority in their homeland because they think it's deserved revenge. When does a country and its people "getting what it deserves" for their past wrongs end? When they cease to exist? Who decides when it ends? You? Pull your head out of your ass, because this generational guilt shit literally never ends and is pushed by kikes for a reason.

>>514134915 (OP)
Vietnam>>>>>>feces>>>>>>India

Also, North Vietnam was supported by Red China. India would not receive aid from anybody.

So, yes, 1000 US Marines could easily take India.

>>514156068
>accuses others of being ESL
>worships a spic as is leader

>>514156711
>xtra faggot noise with brown sauce
kek america tore your brown asshole this morning huh bitch?

>>514156754
you are coping and narrative crafting like a woman and you i am skull fucking you, you dont want skullfucked, shut your fag hole brown bitch.

>>514134915 (OP)
You know how Russia cannot defeat the Ukraine because of all the Western support?
Same thing but in reverse with the Vietnam.

>>514156572
There was plenty of strategic bombing on North Vietnam, including Hanoi. There are still pieces of shot-down B-52 wreckage in Hanoi that have been left in place as monuments

>>514156773
>Let me tell you about your country
Do you know what an Einsatzgruppe is? What the word means? Specifically, do you know the meaning of the word in context of the eastern front?
>>514156851
The simple fact is the US failed to achieve its goals

>>514144869
>Otherwise they would still be there now
You're a fucking idiot.

>>514156957
>goalpost moved
kek, poor slavmutant faggot. stalin failed to achieve his goals, hitler beat him because berlin is not commie. so sad.

>>514156773
"Air superiority" and "air supremacy" are not synonyms, at least not in US/NATO military parlance

>>514156572
>There was no strategic bombing campaign in Vietnam Hanoi was basically untouched
This is a common cope, a lot of guys who were on the ground in Vietnam came back with it. It's also completely wrong.
>>514156957
You're arguing with jeets, israelis, and various other non-White shills. They can barely speak English and are just repeating talking points.
Any discussion on the internet involving the US is bombarded with these retards, there is no point in engaging in a good faith argument with them.

The Vietnamese people fought the French, the U.S., the Cambodians, and then the Chinese back, to back, to back, to back...

...And they won...

>>514157156
that is a russian brownoid mutant and you are a fucking retarded cocksucker...now what faggot tits? nigger even if i wasnt whiter than you i would still be right, you poor needful whore.

>>514157031
What goalpost? The entire point is vietnam was a failure. You screech like a nigger. Are you mexican or some other sort of beaner?
>>514157156
You might be right sadly. Sucks because this could genuinely be an interesting discussion. We need our own great firewall really

>>514157301
>What goalpost? The entire great patriotic war was a failure. You screech like a nigger. Are you russian or some other sort of cargo cult nigger?

>>514156957
>um ok dont you know schutzstaffel means PROTECTION SQUADRON THEY WERE PROTECTING DONT YOU GET IT DUMB AMERIMUTT
Are you genuinely stupid enough to fall for shit like this?

>>514157156
It's already been established that you are at minimum 25% latino, but the jeet thing really confirms it. you both seem to think you can elevate yourself to being honorary white if you insult the other lol

>>514134915 (OP)
>Not a single fucking person talking about India
holy fucking kek
What a joke of a slidethread

>>514157369
Once again retard, this talk isnt about ww2. If you wanna talk about that, make another thread
>>514157420
I asked you a question, this is your response?
Man you people are negros

>>514157538
once gain brown faggot this thread is about me rubbing my bawls on your seething bitch nigger face...wanna cry about it little bitch?

>>514157538
You are implying that terminology is magically accurate to describe nouns, like an autistic person. Do you think antifa are fighting fascism

>>514157639
Explain to me what you think an Einsatzgruppe is, and why they existed before the nazis

>>514155418
>Southerners say that too about the Civil War lol.
The funniest one for me is the finns with every loss to russia.

>>514157156
Notice how he doesn't shit on spics. Wonder why

>>514138184
Most of the soldiers were Vietnamese fighting other Vietnamese

>>514134915 (OP)
They were very angry farmers, while US troops were merely zogbots.
So while they took more casualties they could not be beaten.

>>514158031
if u shit on nigger and browns u have thusly shat on spics...basic venn diagram nigger...

>>514156788
>When does a country and its people "getting what it deserves" for their past wrongs end?
>Who decides when it ends?
You should be the expert here. Your country has been handing out the punishments and deciding when they have had enough for the last 70 years. You thought it was appropriate that Russia should be destroyed and humiliated in the 90s and you thought it was fair for Germany to be turned into whatever it is today.

Obviously judging from this reaction you are terrified of a world where you aren't in control of this where you'll actually be forced to own up to your actions. I'd be scared too if I were you.

>it's the jews
The reason jews are so powerful in your country is because they were able to manipulate their way to the top. Your country and the people who ruled it craved power, wealth and everything else and the jews with their globalist backers could give it to them which is why they got power and control. You have the leaders you deserve.

>>514158168
Youd think as a country born out of such a revolt, theyd understand this

>>514157204

You forgot the Japanese

>>514157729
Occupation police that had been infamous for rape and theft for their entire existence.Ww2 was ironically probably the only time they actually had legitimate "bandits" to fight

>>514158220
Spics see themselves as above those kike

>>514158359
sounds like a fuggin brownoid problem to me faggot flaps...see a doc maybe...

>>514157156
Weren't the Linebacker losses so bad they never dared to pull that sort of shit again?
Also had to bring in their absolutely newest planes and gear.
>still lost

>>514158310
Actually very valid comparison.

>>514158237
>Obviously judging from this reaction you are terrified of a world where you aren't in control of this where you'll actually be forced to own up to your actions
I'm terrified of a world where whites don't have a single country to themselves and everything else is awash in various shades of shit brown and non-existent infrastructure, and you along with so many bleeding heart fags supporting this generational guilt bullshit that kikes love is going to help lead to that. This country is fucked and I hope the government burns to the ground because I hate it, but the only thing that's gonna replace it at this rate, are shitskins that are gonna hate you because you're white, even if you think your country is absolved of any past wrongs. The same is gonna go for the UK, France, Germany, and more. Hope you don't have any kids, because they're gonna be in a shit colored world by the time you're gone.

>>514158310
Americans see people like the Palestinians fighting for the homes as stupid. They think running away, selling out, etc is the smart move. This is especially true of rightwingers, as you see in all the copes about muh blue states, muh democrat cities etc. When someone actually stands up for themselves and gets hurt, they laugh at them. When they get any chance to hurt somebody, they take it, even when it is one of their own.
It is the worldview of a slave who has learned to love being a slave.

>>514158802
>Americans see people like the Palestinians fighting for the homes
you mean we see mudniggers doing mudnigger things? when we bother to look maybe...zat make you seethe faggot? kek...

>>514158352
>Occupying soldiers are scum
Yea? This isnt something unique to things germans referred to as Einsatzgruppen lol
US personel stationed abroad is famous for their violence and rape nowadays
Just a few months ago one of your MPs here was driving drunk and ran over a mother, killed her. He did this on duty
Point here is, its nothing unique to Einsatzgruppen/occupation police within the german world
>>514158802
>Worldview of a slave who has learned to love being a slave
What a nice way of putting it. If you came up with that yourself you should start writing