Thread 514154146

It will be WW1 artillery on steroids

>>514154146 (OP)
Thanks to M.A.D. we won't ever see another true Great Power conflict like WWI or WWII ever again. Instead, it'll just be an endless string of proxy wars fought in Eastern Europe / across the rest of the third world. MIC eternally stimulated without any country risking nuclear obliteration for itself and its allies.

>>514154146 (OP)
If you look at their disadvantages compared to other weapon systems (rockets, shells, bullets, ATGMs etc), there's plenty of flaws to be found
>lower fire rate (a team can operate only a few drones at a time)
>inferior speed (which also means they can be spotted more easily)
>limited payload due to weight limitations
>have to be extra-aware of their surroundings (if they bump into shit they are knocked off balance, which is why they are optimal in open fields)
>can be intercepted by EW (unless they are fyber optic, in which case on the other hand they can get tangled in objects even easier), EMPs, laser etc
>limited range (due to battery life, signal, fyber optic lenght)
>can be shot down more easily due to their lower speed (think multishot or automated systems)
>susceptible to weather (heavy rain, wind, hail etc)
>Kamikaze ones are mono-use, bomber ones highly imprecise
>still by far costlier than shells and ammo and rockets and RPGs
Their main advantages are
>Manoeuvrability
>Versatilty
>Psychological effect (mainly due to their novelty, like gas in ww1)
And that's about it. They certainly have a place in warfare and adjustements will be needed to counter them but are by no means the be all and end all here to replace all other weapon systems as some sa


Tl;dr: artillery is still king

>>514154146 (OP)
Drone cock

>>514154146 (OP)
I resent the glasfiber its inelegant even if it is functional

>>514154313
Yeah probably.

>>514154146 (OP)
Based. The transmission medium (optical fiber) is susceptible to non-local/divine countermeasures, though. But earthly, time/space/electromagnetic spectral related countermeasures, are not sufficiently adequate.

>cord gets succed and fucked by a spinning windmill blade

looks like windmill farm borders really ARE the future

>>514154486
>a team can operate only a few drones at a time
Why do you think they're investing billions in AI companies?

>>514154146 (OP)
If you manage to make the drone chase you around something and reach the fiber, you can cut it, or just pinch it (that's enough to cut an optical fiber).

>>514154146 (OP)
Will it wipe out every living thing on earth?

>>514154313
grim, but true

Inced shotgun rounds melt these fuckers easy aswell. They are easily detectable with the right drone uav/scanners. So just get good at clay pigeon shooting for practice.

>>514154313
The point of war has always been seeing which of the two sides runs out of money first

>>514154146 (OP)
The new meta soon will be cheap fixed wing twin prop fiber drones that have 50-100km range and have a EFP or shaped charge in the front with a frag/shrapnel explosive or omnidirectional EFP behind it. Like a KZ-7 in the front and a PTM-3 right behind it. Normal quads are still handy though, but will soon have their range extended by being carried by fixed wing drones and dropped over the battlefield.

They'll be expended real fast in a large scale hot war. Right now both sides are just buying cheap drones from neutral china which has infinite access to the global market. good luck making enough if that is not the case

>>514154486
>lower fire rate (a team can operate only a few drones at a time)
much higher succes rate than random arty shells from 60 km away
>inferior speed (which also means they can be spotted more easily)
doesnt matter if it kills
>limited payload due to weight limitations
plenty of payload to devastate soft targets, shaped copper penetrators take out 10 million dollar tanks
>have to be extra-aware of their surroundings (if they bump into shit they are knocked off balance, which is why they are optimal in open fields)
a mildly skilled fpv pilot can thread a needle with these niggas
>can be intercepted by EW (unless they are fyber optic, in which case on the other hand they can get tangled in objects even easier), EMPs, laser etc
bullshit, and it doesnt get tangled because the spool of fibre optic is on the drone itself
>limited range (due to battery life, signal, fyber optic lenght)
correct, but cheap ,very deadly and easily replaced. Cost of kill is better than an arty shell
>can be shot down more easily due to their lower speed (think multishot or automated systems)
very fucking hard to do. Especially when flying inches from the ground or coming from all angles/
>susceptible to weather (heavy rain, wind, hail etc)
nope, consumer DJI drones fly trhough literal storms. Very fucking stable
>Kamikaze ones are mono-use, bomber ones highly imprecise
an arty shell is also single use and no?
>still by far costlier than shells and ammo and rockets and RPGs
nope, a 155 shell is costlier than a drone, not even including the whole fucking arty system costing millions

tldr; wrong on virtually all accounts

>>514154146 (OP)
>next big war
aliens have lasers

>>514155040
Good luck Pedro

>>514155471
Detectors only work with radio drones, fiber can only be detected by visual and audio means like camera, thermal, and microphones, but they're so small that they just don't have a big footprint so just spotting them is crazy hard, and radar is next to useless for most of em, especially fiber ones that can fly bellow trees tops.

>>514154486
Inferior speed? LOL, some of these with props go up over 300km/hr. Have you seen the video of these things chasing an F1 car with Max Verstappen driving? That was Red Bull funded so deep pockets, but those guys made the drone themselves. Now that type of drone is also in Ukraine and it's very effective. They have Jet RC airplanes too and the only limit there is the speed of the jet and fuel they carry.

The cost of these small quads is unbelievably cheap in comparison to hitting a bomber or jet fighter or radar or thermobaric launching platform. It's a fucking game changer that will never go away. If anything, it will proliferate. Wait until your chud next door neighbor decides he doesn't like you and drops a grenade on your car while you're coming home from work. It's NOT hard to build that level of drone with a 20km service radius.

>>514154571
Just like fashion, were bringing back the 80s and 90s tech, lol. Gotta admit fiber is better than radio at keeping low profile(no signal to detect) and they're great for ambush style attacks since it takes much less energy to transmit signal through fiber than radio, allowing the drone to wait much longer for targets to show up. Plus you just can't beat how immune they are to EW, no matter how fancy the system.

>>514155621
Nice reply and 100% right. The Dutch education is showing in this one.

>>514154486
>AI
>they go fast enough
>smaller payload doesn't matter when they're scoring direct hits
>AI
>range is 100's of km's it's good enough
>they cannot be shot down easily at all
>they still work in inclement weather
>they're as cheap as artillery shells

You basically don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Literally everything you said is wrong.

>>514154146 (OP)
how do we combat these drones

>>514157140
>>514155621
Infantry and armor folks have been max coping since the new drone update dropped on the battlefield.

>>514154146 (OP)
Imagine fully autonomous AI drones with mininukes on them. Thousands of them guided by a central AI. Who can withstand that lol

>>514157278
i need one of these

>>514157209
You hope you see it and shoot it before it gets to you. That's it. If it on it's way to you it means a spotter drone already has you in it's sights so more will follow

>>514157209
just go into the forest and build nets between the trees, easy peasy

>>514155471
you just fly the drones at night and they're nigh on impossible to hit with a shotgun. the other thing you do is position a bunch of drones on the ground in tall grass/behind rocks/behind trees, and then when soldiers walk by the drone starts up and flies twenty feet and explodes. no time to swing around and locate it and get your shotgun bead on it and fire an accurate shot. drones are an unstoppable nightmare.

>>514157209
buckshot and DEWs

>>514154146 (OP)
A FUCKING WIRE
no

>>514154146 (OP)
If we had a single military in the world which was not retarded, drone hardcounters would had been out 3 years ago.
Back in WW2 all the engineers in the country were dumped into compounds and told that they won't get out till they win. Now uneducated orcs at the frontlines have to juryrig all the shit themselves from sticks and feces, and in 2 years it may go into limited production if they are lucky.

>>514154146 (OP)
Are soldiers armed with bird shot-loaded shotguns the answer to anti-personnel drones?
They don't move that fast.
They can be shot down by soldiers armed with shotguns, if they receive some kind of alert that drones are incoming. drone-detecting radar giving squads even a 1 minute warning would be all that it would take to neutralize suicide drones.

>>514157278
>one shot
that's a problem
>shooting a stationary drone
not hard
>very short range
not practical

>>514157209
More drones.
The humans remain underground.
Imagine enclaves of humans behind thick concrete doors and bunker buster drones drilling their way in.

>>514154511
tpbp

>>514157209
radar detecting incoming drones, that provide a warning to squads armed with bird-shot loaded shotguns.

>>514158931
>They don't move that fast
My consumer drone can fly upwards of 300 ft altitude at speeds up to 80mph with a an HD range of about 1000 meters, full FPV-loss past 2100.

Average skeet flight is 40-50mph
at altitudes of maaaaybe 30ft? If that?

Drones are harder to hit than you might think

>>514158931
Have you watched any of the daily stream of drone gore videos coming out of Ukraine?
They move fast as fuck, at any moment, day or night, from all possible angles. They deliver an high explosive right up to you forehead or your balls if the fpv pilot feels like it.

>>514157209
>like this, but waaaaay bigger

>>514159217
>very short range
also means shrapnel from the high explosive shell just takes a limb -if you are lucky

>>514154146 (OP)
Just cut the cable?

>>514154988
how are those models that run on industrial scale data centers supposed to run on an arduino board

>>514160242
Google "Chinese Drone Light Shows".
That's how.

>>514154486
>if they bump into shit they are knocked off balance
Wrong, actually. FPV drones have incredibly aggressive stabilization. Mine snaps back almost instantly to stabilized after tanking tree branches, it's just not always pointed in the right direction afterwards. You're thinking of cheap toy drones from the 2010's.

>>514160360
following preprogrammed 3d coordinate space locations isn't very computationally expensive

>>514154146 (OP)
I thought that was a drone with a fleshlight on it.

>>514159677
this guy is shooting a rifle.
a stationary drone dropping grenades can be shot down by a rifle, but it's difficult. a bird shot loaded shotgun would be much more effective.

You may be right if a drone is moving very fast, but maybe not. I'd be interested to see some tests of how well a squad armed with shotguns could shoot down a fpv suicide drone.

>>514159888
You guys may be right, but I don't think it's been properly decided. No one on the Ukraine battlefield is armed with birdshot loaded shotguns. I'd be interested to see how effective it would be.
>night
Yeah idk. I assume that the drones don't have as good night vision also, but idk.

>>514154146 (OP)
the biggest limiting factor now adays is the fiber optic system, a real autonomous targeting ai unaffected by fiber optic limitations or jamming would be a giant next step, amazing how fast those little nigger drones evolved in the last 3 years

>>514160679
in soviet russia, fleshlight fucks you!

>>514154146 (OP)
I thought it was a drone with a fleshlight
Imagine the horror

>>514159677
absolute nightmare fuel

>>514154146 (OP)
Hah, but you forgot one thing. My drones are vastly superior to your drones. In fact they were built specifically to counter them, and succeed them, in every possible way. Your fledgling technology has been surpassed

>>514159217
I keep thinking paintball type gun with some kind of range detonation with teflon fibers and expanding foam and paint inside the paintball. You can dial the distance while shooting somehow. When the paint ball explodes all the shit flies out and hopefully gums up the props or maybe blocks the camera. Teflon tape really floats in the wind easily and its pretty hard to cut and seems like it would mess the props up easily. Maybe even just shooting some kind of small rolls of teflon tape you use for plumbing would work as long as you can get it to spread out.

>>514160242
>>514160473
I’ve almost developed the power and draw needed for a proper computer generational pwoering device to be configured.

I assume the government has already perfected such tech. Now just give the industries time to catch up, and another few years for the sizing to become small enough.

>>514154146 (OP)
fun fact: "fiber" is pronounced "fii-bör", not "fai-bör"

>>514160950
It’s perfectly easy for AI to coordinate in the battlefiend without a signal. Without signals, movements return to the OLD ways that wars were fought- with runners. That means that gigantic, industrial armies CAN ONCE AGAIN BE HELD AT A SOLID FRONT, NEVER PENETRATING, NEVER MOVING, A LONG AND SHARP CHASM OF CASUALTY.

Runner drones can easily accomplish movement along the battlefield. And the best part is, being tin airborne and nimble, they can halve the time it takes to get messages through a peaceful front. And reduce it by 100 fold when it becomes a battle of movements.

The reality is that the only people who are actually augmented on a cosmic scale would be the guerillas. A HORDE of drones spontaneously creeping out of sewers, basements, windows everywhere in one apocalyptic night? It’d at least make for a wonderful novel.

>>514154486
Hmm, I don't agree
Most of these negatives will be removed through technological advancement just over the next decade, the main benefit of drones is that
A: it provides additional scouting capabilities to a combat unit
B: It provides an organic air support element to an infantry scout (the ramifications of this are as big as the introduction of the machine gun)
C: provides a suitable unit to conduct high risk operations with minimal human casualties

The problems with drones are mostly that they are a menace to logistics chains, both offensively, and in that they are costly to operate logistically at a high level (as in more than just some RC helicopter with a grenade) and will become more costly logistically as time goes on and counters come to exist (all it takes is automatic shotguns mounted to your supply trucks)

The real critical factor of drone warfare is that ANYONE can make one, if you have a raspberry pi and a 3d printer you basically have everything you need to make a basic drone, as criminals and terrorists develop stealth technology for them (easy considering their size) they provide an excellent means for high value assassinations or terrorisation of locals for political reasons, as well as a force multiplier as a defensive unit for dug in compounds - eg AI operated scout drones will likely scout out police raids for cartels, making it harder to catch anyone with their pants down

Of course it's impossible to ban them outright since stealth means it will be incredibly hard to detect them, it makes sense for any civilian worried about a national conflict to research and develop drones and ai for their household to protect themselves from threats from criminals, terrorists or state actors

>>514160803
Proper antipersonel HE drones would fly at a dpeed of 400 MPH. This has already been developed actually by hobbyists. Those speeds match panzerfausts, and I doubt they’ve ever been shot out of the air.
>a squad
I would wonder what kind of smoothbrain tactician would launch any sort of 1 v 10 with a slow moving jewkraine toy drone. Especially when you know that units are equipped with shotguns.

A big brain would say that the entire tactic around that is retarded. You should be peppering a unit, any unit, with a large number of projectiles. That includes rockets, mortars, and yes, even drones.

But the TRUE PROPER use of drones shouldn’t even BE something as ASININE as an HE antipersonel glorified super expensive grenade.

Their true use is as infantry replacement vehicles for the, uh, guys who play as the minor factions in HOI.

>>514162230
>To an infantry scout
To an infantry unit, I forgot to proofread

>>514161440
Hey chief, thanks for suggesting a more complicated version of the ancient WWII FLAK technology. Are you braindead? You’re fucking fired. Get out of our war room

>>514154511
Look at the size of it. It just intimidates other drones out of the sky.

>>514154146 (OP)
It's worse than that.
These things will be responsible for many assassinations. Thousands?
It will bring an end to aircraft carrier warfare.
You don't have to destroy the carrier, you only have to disable its flight deck.
This thing is the best ever equalizer between the haves and the have-nots.

>>514162550
>The drone swarms that need advanced command and control infrastructure will bring an end(?) to carrier platforms
What did he mean by this

>>514154486
>lower fire rate (a team can operate only a few drones at a time)
Stupid wop. They don't need to be directed. They will be programed and find their own way to the target, identify it, and attack from a thousand directions.
It's no wonder your country is so far behind.

>>514154146 (OP)
Seeing drone warfare evolve gave me a feeling of what it must have been like in ww1, seeing the airplane evolve from recon, to weapon of war. This entire war gave us a unique opportunity to see a war as it happened without being in the damn thing. Yes there were conflicts like Syria, but Syria did not have the scale of accessibility Ukraine gave us.

>>514159677
drone seems to hover at ~30m. some drops seem higher than that. the high pitched drone noise can hardly be located when heard. there's little one can do, even with a shotgun. not reliably and reproducable anyway.

>>514155040
how do these things NOT get stuck in trees, poles, or make nooses by itself? doesn't make sense to me unless all there is is flat fields forever

>>514162725
true now imagine the airplane evolving in ww1 with the more primitive methods of communication

most civilians would have learnt about this with newspapers and second-hand accounts not actual footage. maybe they would have seen a black and white photo or two

>>514154146 (OP)
>skeet shooting

>>514161047
Ya, except the fleshlight fun part is a garburator.

>>514154146 (OP)
Im going to run around like Tom from Tom and Jerry and all the explosions will just turn me black soot facelike in the show. Ill make sure to give a good AHHH like tom and move on after each explosion. Dumb hohols could save lives with this strategy, no wonder they are losing.

>>514162550
I dont know if it will get that bad but drone assassinations are certainly extremely under utilised at the current moment

>>514162356
Flak is dangerous and expensive paintball with like firecrackers to spread the teflon out wont hurt anyone. Like party poppers.

>>514163138
they get mangled with stuff constantly the thing is that the roll of fiber optic is located inside the drone so if it gets mangled into something the drone just start dropping more fiber optic and it can continue flying, but those things are heavy, i m talking about 20 km worth of fiber optic PLUS warhead PLUS batteries, those things arent agile drones, they handle like overweight trucks

>>514154146 (OP)
Just nuke China first. No more cheap drones

>>514162306
>>514162230
I’m way ahead of you. A drone body built around a rotary canon, with a built in gas release system that negates much of the already light recoil- there’s already many different varieties of prototype for that in government labs.

>>514162944
Agreed.

If anyone's in doubt, go try and shoot at crows/magpies at tree top height or above without a shotgun. Good luck, you'll need it. Then get back to me for an informed discussion. Now extrapolate that to a 300km/hr+ drone. You're FUCKED! The only limiting factors are pilot skill and remaining battery power.

>>514163794
Well I hope you read my reply in J Jonah Jameson’s voice.

>>514163858
ah thanks

>>514163985
the true power of drones lies in their potential role as permanently airborne infantry. They are superior in that role to the infantryman in every single possible way.

Especially with the SELF RELOAD system I developed.

>>514163138
There is virtually no ''tension'' on the ''rope'', since it unwinds from the drone itself. This may be a hard concept for the French though. Ukranian battlefields are currently full of fibre optic mess, but it doesnt matter since the drones reach their targets.

>>514154146 (OP)
Can't that wire get tangled in trees and shit?

>>514158931
The answer is probably duping them with stupid camoflague or fog machines

>>514154146 (OP)

>Millions of zoomer lives*
I am perfectly fine with this

>>514163358
This is the greatest warfare revolution the world has ever seen. And some hobbyists are at the razors edge of it.

>>514164392
They could just pop smoke around the unit too.

>>514164286
see>>514164220, its like how a spider doesnt get tangled laying its web, it comes out of him. Its hard to explain this any clearer.

>>514162677
I’m sorry, do their opponent militaries suddenly not require the exact same levels of sufficient organization?

>>514154511
>>514162393
the BDC

>>514163980
If you want to protect yourself you'd be better off programming an AI to detect threads around your home in an unarmed drone to give you reaction time, this is the best use of drones to protect your family, lay people really undervalue the element of surprise in modern warfare and doctrine

People can be special forces or whatever, but they're people, if you shoot them they will die, but you need to know they're there to do so, the main skill of most squad sized elements who would raid your home - criminal terrorist or state actor - is remaining unseen, a drone equipped with AI is much more able to see these threats than you, as well as remaining hidden while doing so

>>514154146 (OP)
> take the lives of millions
Already did.

>>514164668
your statement is that carriers are over
Drone swarms require carriers to operate, so carriers are not over, there might be a renewed interest in submersible carriers though

>>514162550
Drones can even bring back BOARDING as a naval warfare tactic. Some Drones can be purpose built to infiltrate and take control over naval vessels the way that boarding was used to do in the ancient world. Swarms of thousands of tiny thermite bots, knife-bots, grenade-bots, and bots that specialize in equipping to surrendering humans to enslave them.

Disable a carrier? Hah. Drones could TAKE OVER the aircraft carrier.

>>514154146 (OP)
>This thing will take the lives of millions in the next big war
You are incorrect. There is an easy strategy to counter these drones - bomb the crap out of the enemy so they cannot produce enough of them.

>>514164811
How are you protecting such small drones from ewar?

>>514158931
There are ways to fight them, but in the case of being a NATO soldier - you just die.

Possibly not even getting off the vehicle.

>>514154313
And this is a bad thing why? Comparatively, we live in the most peaceful and stable era in human history and you're trying to claim that's somehow a bad thing.

>>514164789
Oh I see what you are saying. I was speaking in the context of near shore engagements. I realize I never actually communicated that, my bad. And YES submersible carriers for sure have an emerging niche.

As it currently stands, however, there is now a powerful technology gap between the nations conventional navies and this theoretical horde of drones.

>>514164875
Like how in the World Wars we bombed the crap out of eachother stopping the production of weapons?

>>514164943
Like an EMP? I don’t think EMPs have been developed yet which are both (A) large enough for this tactic to work, and (B) do not also impact the user.

Currently, drone swarms have been best fought off by literal CNC-FLAK. Ither means they’ve used are your basic machine guns and missles. And a giant laser too, recently.

>>514154146 (OP)
>This thing will take the lives of millions in the next big war
but why do you think a war is required?

it happened fast
- robots had been distributed worldwide for years
- in various guises (manufacturing, cleaning services, security, etc)
- they experience a simultaneous secondary activation
- and follow their hidden programming
- releasing short-lived toxins that kill instantly
- other robots arrive to grind the corpses
- and remove the boxed remains to crematoriums within minutes
life is over for everyone.

except a single, extraordinarily rich, family

undisclosed privately-funded body maintenance bio-tech will keep them, and their future children, alive and healthy.
infinitely.

no one saw it coming
and it worked perfectly
decades of planning
years of strategizing
and less than a week of implementation

and now, for the richest family who ever lived, Earth is a paradise.
Population: 7

>>514154146 (OP)
Plastic Fishing net blocks your path. Imaine what the homes of the future will have to do for protection. They are going to have those plastic fishing nets strung up everywhere. The rich people will have fancy silk embroidered cuck nets.

A cellphone these days has an insane amount of power in it. Why rely on a raspberry Pi? It must be that the software is already made for that device. Just write a fucking phone app for a cheap cellphone with a 24 hr battery. Just connect it up via USB 3 cable. A cell already has GPS built in. Sure that can be jammed, but it has other capabilities that a Pi doesn't have to compensate. People just need to write decent software for the phones. Hell, my shitty Syma drone has a phone app already. There is really no limit to what can be created software wise.

Depending on the drone's shape and size, you could also turn the drone itself into an antenna for Starlink connectivity and get real time updates for targets. They can all individually join up and create a mesh network to share information & targets.

>>514165234
Ewar means electronic warfare, it takes many forms, generally even small warships have advanced electronic warfare suites as a means of survival, large drones could be protected from this but will be vulnerable to AA fire, small drones you describe will not be vulnerable to AA fire, but will not be able to be protected from ewar (of which much is classified so I don't exactly have specifics to give you)

an EMP is just a nuke that explodes really high in the atmosphere, releasing an electromagnetic pulse (emp), it has been around for a long time now

>>514165417
>drone number 1 explodes in the net ripping a hole
>drone numbers 2-37 fly through the hole in the net

>>514157278
>all right just hover about 20 feet off the ground and dont move so i can net you
A new shotgun shell should be developed for this purpose, maybe a wad of wires with lead pellets on the ends that just randomly spread out and get caught in the rotors.

>>514154146 (OP)
there's maybe five more years of small arm drone supremacy before the countermeasures are so good, they become obsolete

>>514164875
Wrong, these come over in shipping containers in mass quantities from countries NOT in the fight. Building them on site if you must, but allies can build these 24/7/365 and only need to get them to the fight/country in a safe area. They are easily hidden and dispersed. They are so small compared to even a rifle. You can hold 10+ in a backpack for fucks sake.

>>514165548
net polymers are fire resistant. it may damage it a bit but no the net wouldnt break.

So its tracer inced shotgun rounds plus multiple new ways to detect multiple variations of uav/drone style tech

https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/08/24/1626841.html

>>514165765
one day catching a drone in a net looney toons style is going to be seen as the most retarded idea anyone has ever had

>>514165715
In a real war, there will be trade embargoes, so no shipping containers arriving at the port. All rail lines will be bombed. We can do this with precision bombs. If all the power plants and refineries are knocked out the country will stop attacking, in all likelihood.

>>514165765
I don’t see why the drone couldn’t just fly over the nets.

>>514165715
The arms are collapsible too.

>>514165533
I’m not sure I’ve seen much EWAR success against unpiloted drones, but then again we are only at the very beginning of that content so we’ll have to see.

>>514165497
You would have to Design your own network of communication in order for it to be combat worthy. You couldn’t rely on something like that, unless you’re an Allied government to the US.

>>514165805
So this is a infomercial war to sell products to other countries lmao the same guys making the "un jammable" drones rosel rostek etc selling the counters hahahaha its all a jew game using real people as fucking adverts for your weapons.

>>514165765
Do you realise the high explosive shells these small drones carry sever limbs and torsos with their metal shrapnel? Picture a sharp steel fragment the size of a small rock flying at the speed of a bullet.

>>514165805
>>514166212
The real revolution, again, is with AI independent drones.

>>514166283
Again, why do that when you can just fly the drone over the net. This whole theory is toddler tier.

>>514156431
It looks unshielded though. Can’t there be a way to disrupt its signal that way.

Oooofffff

Eventually, they'll create AI than can detect and follow fibre optic cable back to the operate in a relatively short time. There'll be drones specifically to take out other drones (like we already have) and other sniffer drones to head straight for enemy drone operators via their cable.

Then either people will just stop using them because too many operators are dying, and it all goes back to avoiding jamming with wireless or they'll come up with invisible cable that even highly sensitive cameras and well-trained AI can't even detect.

>>514154146 (OP)
Imagine those things controlled by AI…
Gonna need the kids to know how to use them.
Gonna need well regulated armories where they can be accessed by trusted members of our communities.

I need to learn more about what capabilities we have.

>>514166370
I think he meant shielding windows/whole streets with netting against assassinations.
This is currently being done to certain supply roads in Ukraine. But already videos have popped up of drones flying through holes made in the netting.

>>514154313
not just eastern europe, war will be so localized as to be district to district.
>breaking news: drone war breaks out in district 75, the benevolent ai emperor advices all humanoids to take alternate routes to work to avoid having their meat damaged by shrapnel.

>>514166070
im just waiting this war to end to buy a drone, the prices went to shit when it started and when its done they will crash hard, ukies produce like 2 million per year and treat them as expendables, with 2k dollars i will be able to get a collection of different sizes at a bargain when this is done

>>514166557
Or we just go back to full circle of humans killing humans.

https://x.com/danielr33187703/status/1846926262515974360?s=61


Or… if nothing can stop the jamming you are just going to have to go after the people who create them and have control over the AI.

Jesus christ its fucking BIOWEAPONS not these toys. Thats the future. Bioweapons modified strains of various pathogens wipes out target with zero infrastucture damage and no work besides infecting water food supply and air, you can even have air conditoning units pump it into buildings for you. Done. Its that fucking easy and thats the future of warfare, not these garbage ass toys. >>514166370

>>514166419
>what are radio signals?
>what are fibe obtic cables to send signals through?
Think about these questions for a bit Nigel

>>514157209
microwaves

>>514166702
Kek it’s cope.

We haven’t even gotten into drone tanquettes. Small enough to hide in the bushes and be extremely logistically easy. But tough enough to withstand heavy enemy fire. With no crew, a tanquette could potentially multiply its armor thickness and effectiveness by 50X.

You get small, concealable and very capable penetrating vehicles with almost none of thr drawbacks of an actual tank, with almost all of its benefits.

>>514161271
Agreed. Modern warfare is pure terror 24 hours a day everyday.
everyone there will have regrets they didn't kill the draft officers

>>514165928
In a real war no one will be doing business with India, China, ruZZia, Iran, Pakistan, etc except amongst themselves. Anyone else in NATO will sanction these countries into oblivion.

Also, no one is relying on Ruzzia or China anymore for these things. Everyone is building them at home now. It's not that hard to build anything on these drones. The electronic boards can be built domestically. The motors, the batteries, the connectors, the frames. Right now we rely on China because it's cheap and they're not officially in the war vs Ukraine, but even Ukraine isn't stupid enough to rely on China for ALL their components directly. They get them from allies. NATO is a giant fucking ATM machine and very smart. China, India and ruZZia have the manpower advantage but not the funding.

Also, Trump will only be able to delay USA involvement for 3.5 more years at best. Maybe less due to midterm elections. Sooner or later he moves on and the world will respond again.

>>514166874
Gonna need microwave shields too.

>>514166799
WMDs are not new and aren’t a part of warfare because they end the world in permanent stalemate and annihilate humanity forever. Lets leave them out of the subject for now.

>>514166861
The company that makes the unjammble drones has the counter/jammer tech for its own unjammable drone . They arent giving that out yet in full detail but they have it.

>>514167022
Again, AI drones negate this counter-tech.

>>514167015
They arent at all. Your specific modification will enable you to have the protection from said pathogen, the people wont be able to figure it out as you use pathogens with 99% kill rates so youre enemy is dead before they even realise and create a counter. But thats if you actually wanted to win and not have an informercial for your gay war toys that you can milk everyone for at the mil tech expos .

>>514166774
Yup. I hear ya. I want a real one too.

I have a Syma right now and it's crappy. But it gets me flying and familiar with controls. It's not easy to fly some of these too. Mine is a dog in stronger winds and basically stops in flight. It's fault with this is built into the logic board.. Needs a firmware update to overcome this.

The think I like about the war is that they'll have worked out a lot of the software bugs and not rely on China to do it for them. Who trusts their software in a war? I wouldn't. Open source software for the win. Open source hardware would be even better.

>>514165041
It isn't and I wasn't claiming that to be the case. M.A.D. has done more for (relative) world peace than any human politician could ever hope to.

>>514162725
The Iraq war started with no drones. And by the end of the war they were being used everywhere.

>>514154313
Technically speaking we are well past the point where a Slaughterbots scenario is.. basically 5-10 years overdue.
So yeah no, not quite. If anything it's hugely surprising there isn't a large amount of assassinations by drone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
This is a classic by now desu.

>>514167108
Jam is the wrong word as it implies loss of control," immoboliser" is a better way to understand what they have. So who pilots it is meaningless.

>>514167022
Offense is not only 1000x cheaper than defense in warfare but also much easier.
I would dare you to go into a Ukranian forrest/field/urban area with any anti drone measure you can choose, and have some fpv squads hunt you down.

>>514154146 (OP)
just shoot the drones bro its not that hard

>>514167713
this is only true in the minds of officers
Officers are gay half-men who do not count as veterans when they are released from duty

I imagine in WW1 they were thinking of a 1001 ways to defend against artillery shells too.
In the end the best they could come up with was shell the enemy back tit for tat.

>>514166988
stop arguing with me, I am right. Just think about it more.

>>514168015
Artillery in WW1 was a double-edged sword insofar as the logistics required to maintain bombardment, which I think makes it a very good comparison

>>514167896
I can tell you're a keyboard warrior that's never tried to shoot anything the size of a large bird moving at 100-300+ km/hr. Come on, you're American, you have access to guns and birds. Go outside and shoot some at large treetop height without a shotgun while they're flying and come report back. I'll wait. You won't hit a single fucking bird. I'll even put money on that bet.

>>514154146 (OP)
I'm not worried about war, these things are going to be used to commits acts of terror soon, that's the terrifying part.

>>514167708
I’m not convinced that these immobilizers are effective

>>514168177
You're not right. You're a fucking goof and are very short sighted.

>>514167713
Im there right now faggot in a ukranian field in ukrane...where are you ? Whats that? Yeah its a drone free zone here faggot

>>514167693
Consider that politics is mostly fake and contrived by ruling kikes. Thats why.

>>514168400
don't sperg at me because you can't aim

>>514166015
they build them around roads so you drive through them. wouldnt help you get the soldiers.

>>514168392
I do agree. Drone tech is most effectively used by guerilla forces as it augments them the most, by a gaping wide margin

>>514168482
So you think the maker of an unjammable drone would release it for sale at mili expos for anyone to buy to potentially be used against its maker? Really? Amercians are that dumb surely. You put killswitches in nearly all your weapons you sell.

>>514168567
Wouldn’t just conventiobally peppering the road with artillery, followed by drones plunging through the holes in nets?

>>514154146 (OP)
Spectrum Jammers will even the playing field.

>>514168661
i mean artillery is more susceptible to drones than the truck in the safety zone. the enemy has them too. most net systems are back line stuff so they wont be in artillery range.

>>514167713
>with any anti drone measure you can choose
Just a matter of choosing wisely there? Makes for a good shopping list.
>one ZSU 23-4
>one Saiga-12 with drum mag and net shells
>sniper rifle with good optics to check camera drones
>camouflage nets, thermo blankets and so on
>bunch of jammers to put somewhere just in case
With advanced radio drones the small jammers totally disrupt the signal only at short range, say 15m, which means they may still hit something.
Also camouflage nets seem kinda underused? They built tiny, ineffective shelters for tanks covered in camo nets at times but... that's pretty retarded. Makes me wonder if they have some kind of shortage of nets? In fact, nigga, you could easily make camo nets with kevlar or metal fibers in it that will not let a drone through, in addition to obscuring things below.
But anyway how many drones do they get?

>>514168616
I literally don’t think that you can “immobilize” the drone without using a signal jammer, or effectively at a mass of drones from a safe distance. I think most of the prodcuts they are currently unveiling are garbage tier.

>>514168706
>Fully independent AI enters the chat
Mogged.

>>514168523
You almost certainly are correct.
>kings do not kill kings

>>514154146 (OP)
The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.
There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

The Great Reset is inevitable.

>>514168724
Well whst are the nets protecting so far back exactly?

>>514154146 (OP)
drones in general already are taking a ton of lives. theres no real counter to them and they cause insane losses on a purely financial scale. something that costs a few hundred to a few thousand can cripple or destroy something that costs up to 9 figures to produce. even if you could somehow counter fpv drones, drones acting as spotters have already turned artillery pieces into long range snipers that can wipe out entire armored columns/convoys/platoons that are exposed

>>514168857
supply lines? troop movements to the front? on the front soldiers are far more alert than back of the line.

>>514168867
all we need now are automated zigger scoopers to pile them up and to keep the ukrainian farmlands clean

>>514154146 (OP)
>range of 20km max
Oh no!

If Ukraine has taught us anything it's that drones create a stalemate situation. Effective counter drone technology (simply an LMG with visual tracking) will quickly evolve. The real game changer is hypersonic missiles, that will destroy aircraft carriers and trillions in equipment. Satellites and networks are going to be taken out commission, global communications will be completely fucked. Nevermind being in the trenches, motherfuckers aren't going to be able to shitpost or goon. You have no idea how bad things are going to get.

>>514169000
You mean meat cube harvesters?

>>514168947
I mean the drones can just target the parts of the supply lines closer to the front that are in artillery range… sure, troop buildups will occur far beyond range, but these have always been difficult to prevent. Only the Allies in WWII were able to do this when they achieved absolute supremacy over the airspace over the entire theater.

>>514169081
If a $1000 drone destroys something worth $200k, which is pretty conservative; are there any US vehicles that cheap? Even that dune buggy costs far more, and will die to one drone. That's a cost effectiveness ratio of 200:1.
200th of an aircraft carrier is about 15 million, being conservative again, so it's actually quite compareable.

so china won

>>514169599
Not exactly. The end result could be that mass quantities of infantry (finally) become irrelevant.
Not strictly harder to blow up a million guys with drones as is blowing up a thousand.
Might not even take longer if you also have 1000x as many drone operators. How many people can one drone operator kill? Probably 10 easily enough, especially retarded meatwaves or other dumb shit (basically anything within range). If you have 1337h4xx0r drone operators you could easily do... 14:1

>>514164759
>Douglas Macgregor

>>514164968
Also corpse, if any remains/is not eaten by feral dogs/pigs/hohols(pigs), will not be recovered except by Russians as a joke a year later and posted on Leddit.

>>514157209
Drones can be easily tracked visually and audially. Camera and microphone arrays can easily track them and then either intercept them with a kinetic drone or shoot them. It's not even hard or expensive to do, hobbyists have been making machine learning tracking guns for over a decade. The military industrial complex is simply an oligopoly and maximizing profits with massive wasteful boondoggle projects.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CUk-yrsU5YQ

>>514169891
so who is gonna produce the drones if we are at war with the drone producer (china) and the resource dealer (russia)

>>514170286
It's basically just electric motors and batteries, but yeah, if you can't make those (or buy) u ded. Prices will go through the roof. That 300€ drone you got for christmas will sell for 20000€.

>>514154146 (OP)
>in the next war
No you are thinking of the current one

>>514169447
The difference is that vehicles are easily replaced and are numbered in the millions. Aircraft carriers take years to build. Same with a factory for a next-gen fighter. The parts are so specialized if you attack the supply chain at any point and you stall production.

>>514170827
Factories generally aren't that vulnerable. WW2 has shown that.
>bomb half the city
>production is reduced 50% for 2 more weeks
So a drone, or even 50 drones, won't do that much unless it's really well organized.
Of course the carriers are a bit of a special issue since they're a power projection keystone, but the USA has a few of them still. Takes a couple months to blow them all up.
>better build fast

>>514168771
cameras can be blinded
sensors can be disrupted
An Ai cannot interface with the world without them

>>514160242
install gentoo
>>>/g/106398327

>>514157278
now do it to a moving drone flying at 500 feet dropping grenades and mortar shells on your fob

>>514168786
Killing leaders is literally the basis for jewish doctrine

>>514171949
Not too infrequently in Roman times, at least, but the muslims also had their order of assassins.
>also Roman and Middle Ages European rulers getting assassinated daily
So I guess everybody has their episode. Factually jews seem to be more about killing all goyim instead of merely inconvenient kings.

>>514160242
When the first pictures of the Ukrainian sea drones came out one of the first things everyone noticed was the rectangular starlink antenna on it. If you can stream video you can have your data center AI controlling it and making decisions while the onboard AI handles the really basic stuff.

>>514154146 (OP)
So make your own ans take millions of lives with you. Our rifles are outdated, we need to get updated on the weapons of our time. They're not hard to make. You can make a rocket launcher out of a pipe and model rockets. Get creative.

>>514172337
>the one case where AI is useless
Why?
I could see them use AI for autonomous targeting if remote control is lost but beyond that.. you do not need AI to control and steer a boat. Something akin to a drone controller will do fine and not develop autism.

>>514172611
Gotta put drones into bullet casings to remain competitive. Might work with a 10 gauge at least.
>shoot the drone at his torso to burrow and devour him from the inside

>>514154146 (OP)
We’re using EMP cannons to take down drone swarms like bug spray and it works fine.

>>514172686
The point is more that if you have thousands of drones out on the battlefield streaming video back you don't need thousands of people to be physically there controlling them. The big AI back home can process all of this and handle picking out targets from the streamed video while someone makes the important decision whether to send a drone to kill some guy or not.

what_is_counter_uas.jpg

>>514167022
You cant jam something that isn't receiving

>>514173627
Until the day of recknoning comes and the buckbreaking drones go out of control in africa and begin self-replicating.

>>514154146 (OP)
What happens if the wire is cut? Does it explode?

>>514154146 (OP)
Wait for the second variety.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5b92SoEGO8

>>514173973
It turns into FPV drone Alter.

>>514154146 (OP)
real drone warfare unironically hasn't even been tried yet

>>514154313
Horizon Zero Dawn's plot.

>>514154486
>Tl;dr: artillery is still king
Radar-guided.
The Drones can be dealt with via mobile CIWS type platforms, but the radar needs to be tuned for their aspect ratios.

I can imagine a new CIWS that fires "cones" of Ball Bearings at enough velocity that the low mass of each bearing doesn't reduce the Force dealt upon the POS drones.

Cost is low too.

>>514174192
Yep congrats.
>when you have drones literally flying up your butthole
Pass. There's things you don't need to try.
>cutting off your own dick has never been tried except it has with terrible results

>>514174263
No, shoot the drone with guided artillery shells.

>>514174263
>>514154486

Either that or launching a NET of some type that will foul the airfoil/ propulsion.

>>514174356
>No, shoot the drone with guided artillery shells.
Sure, but if you are met with a SWARM of drones, then the artillery platform is at a disadvantage, and MUST take out wide swaths of said swarm, in one "shot"

>>514154616
So hit them with quantum entanglement or prayer, got it

>>514174461
guided cluster munitons

>>514174467
>quantum entanglement or prayer
Kek.

>>514174553
>guided cluster munitons
Same principle as I suggested, sure.
The ability to take out Quadrants of airpsace in one shot.

>>514174467
Just shoot it with a pulsed laser. "It" as in everywhere wildly in all directions of the sky where no important friendly might be in the hope of hitting the fiber cable and making the drone spazz out.

>>514163138
I’m assuming the “defoliate” the area first with fucking incendiary and artillery. Turn everything into a drone wasteland.

>>514160242
Probly just make heatseekers and or a simple recognition program no need for llms u lese you were doing pathing or broad spectrum of targets and even then rather pointless.

But drones seems really overrated to me. Should be easy to shoot down with a laser targeting turret, shotguns, minicounter drones etc

it's the tanks with storage sheds welded on them I'm most concerned about if I'm honest

>>514157278
No try it against this

>>514174769
The day will come when a drone is perfectly camouflaged as an apple hanging on a tree and then totally obliterates Newton's head while another 4k camera drone watches (also disguised as an apple).

>>514165162
what do you mean "we"

>>514154146 (OP)
after iraq and the ukraine war where the roasties went off and just fucked chad, then who will voluntarily fight this war for society that hates the deserve it

>>514174847
Wait until you see the cubetank in 10 or 20 years.

Drones are the worst shit ever to happen to war. At some point wars will be fought completely remotely, no more soldiers shooting guns and setting off explosives. Just dudes in some command center in the middle of who the fuck knows where controlling drones and tanks. The goal will be to find the enemy control center and blow it up. It's gonna get extremely homosexual in the future. Just two groups of retards playing some PvP game but in real life and actually killing each other, or at least trying to.

>>514164634
i know it may be hard for retarded dutchies to understand but not everyone cares enough to know how exactly how this bullshit works, thats why they ask basic questions

>>514174309
I'm just waiting for a country that isn't a meme to shit out weaponized drones with a real budget behind them
It's going to be hell and all the cope anti-drone weapons wont really help much

>>514154486
>And that's about it. They certainly have a place in warfare and adjustements will be needed to counter them but are by no means the be all and end all here to replace all other weapon systems as some sa
Correct. Just think how well they would have worked in Vietnam. They would have been useless after the first few months.

>>514154486
>Ignoring the real world scenarios playing out every day
>Artillery is still king
Your country doesn't even have a military. You get invaded by niggers on boats every day. Shut the fuck up

>>514175078
Ultimately the cost-effectiveness of drones is very high even if 9 out of 10 fail, or even more. If you want to ASSASSINATE THE US PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN (sorry glownigger) it doesn't matter 999 drones failed.

Although drones are undeniably effective, until they are controlled by AI or at least highly sophisticated self-guiding software then their impact will be limited in a proper war. They are highly vulnerable to radio interference and the fact that this hasn't rendered them largely irrelevant in Russia and Ukraine is proof of how primitive Slavshits are. Does anyone really think the Americans or NATO Europeans or even the Chinese wouldn't have already developed highly sophisticated anti-drone technology after a few years of war?

>>514175078
sorry, the french government doesn't want you to see them

>>514175463
That's jews. And uuuh, I've seen tips like that, but forget what these are. One might be a laser guided bomb? And the big boi is.....a two stage AA missile maybe?
>typical jews
>tips are uncovered

>>514154146 (OP)
Can be defeated by WW2 style flak cannons, steroids optional

>>514175815
>and then it crawls up your ass
Maybe they even send one of those robot dogs to buckbreak you.

>>514154146 (OP)
Funny thing is, the optic fiber is probably more expensive than the drone itself, especially if the drone is reusable (the fiber is not)

>>514176030
>the fiber is not
Says who? Implying they don't send some drunk fuck to pick up the 10km of optic fiber. Don't forget about the GDP.

>>514176188
Fiber is extremely delicate, the slightest damage can ruin the entire length of it and it wouldn't be practical to patch it since you still have to wind it back onto a spool. Recovering it means you have a dangerously unreliable fiber cable, plus it's much more expensive/risky to try to recover it in the first place vs letting uncle Sam buy you another one.

>>514155621
There are smart artillery shells now. Picrel has a circular error probability of about 1 meter when fired from a distance of 60 kilometers.

>>514154146 (OP)
> fibre optic drone
Cut the fibre and they are blind. They can't fly low, can't maneuver through obstacles.

>>514154313
>Instead, it'll just be an endless string of proxy wars fought in Eastern Europe
The rest of Europe, with the exclusion of zigger territories, is going to join NATO at the end of this war. Putin can't stop this from happening.

>>514174878
Bingo.
Sadly, this is what we'll be looking at, as a threat.
highly-scalable
cheap AF
easily duplicated
good standoff distance for operator
ZERO risk

That's why I suggested a "cone" type defense, cheap ball bearings at high velocities.
Accuracy needs are then not as critical.
Make it RAIN ball bearings.

>>514174878
Those would be my defender drones that hunt any drones within a radius of 1km around me.

>>514154146 (OP)
Kill me, I don't give a fuck. I will never feel (((fear))) ever again.

>>514176387
Those are rocket propelled shells, VERY costly and not to be produced in high numbers.

>>514163372
>garburator
Do Canadians really?

>>514167693
>If anything it's hugely surprising there isn't a large amount of assassinations by drone
Proof that international politics is all WWE kayfabe and they're all a bunch of masons and jews working together to oppress proles and breed whites out of existence

>>514174944
Oh, we will fight, allright...just not the war they think we will. Turns out that having a lot of people who were sentenced to death by a Jewish vaccine, and know what Jews look like and where their neighborhoods are, isn't the best place to recruit for overseas wars.

>>514171495
A technology does not yet exist that can mass destroy these parts of the robots, enough to make them more usedul than regular guns.

A drone is a superior infantryman to a man.

>>514176881
The rocket doesn’t propel them, it reduces drag because of the production of exhaust gas. They’re only about $14,000/ round. The guided one I posted is like $110,000 though. The unguided shells still have a CEP of only 3-4 meters which is plenty small for a 155

>>514162230
Cartels are already taking out other cartels with them and even took down a police helicopter

>>514174263
>i can imagine a new CIWS that fires "cones" of Ball Bearings at enough velocity
Go ahead and patent that then because no such design exists. The best defense against drones has so far come from CNC guided WWII era time-fuse FLAK. The computer is able to determine the distance, speed, trajectory etc far more rapidly and competently than a human team can. It is also able to cut each fuse differently at different lenghts, in rapid succession with each round, as an ultra evolved and successful use of this old technology.

Still, it can’t hit all the drones. In fact it struggles with more than one. Ships can only place so much FLAK onto their decke. You will likely see the appearance od deficated AA ships again except mounted with larger numbers these types of devices accompanying fleets.

>>514177840
Source? Anyway not surprised. And those are trashy spic toy designs. A white father and son built a plastic backyard drone that can hit speeds of 400 MPH in like 2 seconds. It was insane.

>>514177186
Ooooorrr people are just REALLY lazy.
>too much effort to spend half an hour to make suicide drone and assassinate, ummmm.. Tulsi Gabbard?
Am I going to jail now? Like nigga I just need an example. We can use... JFK instead; he already was assassinated.

>>514177532
>A technology does not yet exist that can mass destroy these parts of the robots
Are you a literal retard?

1. EW JAMMING
2. Massive quadrants of sky suddenly filled with cheap Projectiles (ball bearings)
3. Water Cannon salvoes
4. Massive netting

Drones are vulnerable by their low mass and fragile airfoil / ducted fan / propellers.

>>514154146 (OP)
The answer is power armor

>>514154313
permanent war zones for people who want to fight, containment zones for violence with no real end. dystopian as fuck. until someone sneaks a nuke into a big city.

>>514178642
5. Flamethrowers in an array

>>514178708
They'll just put the RPG warheads back on. Those do like 300mm RHA minimum, so no power armor will stop them.
In other words you will need a mecha suit.

>>514178708
While power armor is somewhat feasible now, it's not gonna stop a shaped charge that can't be wirelessly jammed.
These drones will one day have AI guidance and be autonomous too. Tens of thousands of them will be dropped somewhere. Nations might unironically consider using a nuclear ordnance to stop something like that, because it would still be less deadly.

>>514178642
>Water Cannon salvoes
This sort of thing may actually be worth investigating as a short range drone counter measure.
Basically infinite ammo, and given the pressure and appropriate nozzle it can shoot 20m with destructive force, assuming more of a water jet cutter, or 30-40m using a more massive stream of water to drown a drone out of the sky instead of harapaning the fuck out of it (with water).

>>514178900
>Nations might unironically consider using a nuclear ordnance to stop something like that
Depends on the Payload of the drones (threat level).
Firing a wall of Arrows would literally take most of them out, but the Ball Bearing are more feasible and higher Energy (via velocity)

>>514167334
Pretty sure most advanced countries already have pathogens and plans in place but won't do it for the same reason they don't use nukes. If the US wipes out all the chinks, for example, other countries are going to freak out and possibly attack us.

>>514168400
Those are not easy to hit even with a shotgun unless you've practiced a lot. Soldiers will need dedicated drone shotgun practice.

>>514154313
Bravo Kojima

>>514157140
Everything he said is entirely accurate you massively retarded boring fuck.
Now go stand in a line with your musket while the Panzers roll over you.

>>514179077
Yah, I'm not certain of the Range by virtue of the weight involved. (8lbs / gallon)
A HEFTY pump would be required, and thus vulnerable to disruption.

>>514178900
>>514179136
Not like there's any real restrictions on nuking yourself.
>muh test ban treaty
Nigga I am just nuking myself bro.

>>514178900
Yes, but a heavier weapon will move more slowly, easier to shoot down with AI assisted targeting or other potential countermeasures that could be integral to the suit.

>>514169891
How many operators do you need with AI drones

>>514157278
Jesus Christ, the cope is astronomical
>one shot
>stationary drone target
>Still close enough to kill you.
Its like
"Guy! Guy! There's tanks attacking us!"
"I know lets jam their exhausts up with some real sticky mud!
"Heheh! Okay!"
Fucking idiots trying to fight WW3 with Napoleonic cavalry charges. Going to let a lot of good men killed.

>>514179315
It will work fine, for sure, just gotta shoot it in appropriate bursts and maybe have a hose and a pond nearby.
With a small nozzle and high pressure a thin water jet of 300ms will completely buttfuck a quadcopter at 20m or so. It won't consume huge amounts of fluid.
If you hit with your first cumshot, that is.

>>514175189
So in other words, you're not actually following the special military operation and just play video games or something. He's right, prespotted modern artillery, minefields, trench stormers, etc are king.

how about a giant vaccuum cleaner or water gun that shoots glue

>>514179574
but muh war crimes ;;;_;;; except Israel ofc that's chill
But yeah, when AI is utilized and the situation is conductive (like there being no friendlies/neutrals nearby) AI will fuck them good.

>>514154146 (OP)
I drunkenly designed a large-bore, anti-drone shot shell some time ago when a similar thread appeared. But I thought further on how it could be implemented.
My idea would be to mount a specialized anti-drone large-bore (4ga, 2ga) automatic shotgun on a semi-autonomous ground-based drone resembling those BigDog Boston Dynamics experimental units.

They could be lightly armored to conserve weight, with the aim to be highly resistant to the anti-personnel fragmentation payloads found on drones which are specialized in eliminating infantry, but agile enough to avoid shaped charges with their smaller profile.
Final armor plan and geometry could also utilize geometry to mitigate the threat of explosives, similar to the sort of theory MRAP's are made for.
Good mobility thanks to using legs instead of tracks/wheels, and point defense weapon.
It could even crouch down to protect the legs and cover them in a sort of hull-down plan with the armored portions when engaged in combat.
Rotating sensors on each end would provide binocular vision, depth perception, and 360 degree awareness.
Multiple units could network with each other to create better killzones and improve their standoff efficiency.
The sensor suite and nonbiological nature offers advantages in overall endurance over a human operator with a similar specialized small arm, especially at night.

>>514179663
>Fucking idiots trying to fight WW3 with Napoleonic cavalry charges.
Rofl.
Spot on, it's a ludicrous scenario, just like Lab testing.

>>514154146 (OP)
>WW1 artillery
WW1 mass slaughter was more about the machine guns

>>514180039
>2ga
Basically a cannon? You can shoot full sized quadcopters from a 2ga, probably
not down, out of the barrel.
>an eye for an eye

>>514154313
>MIC eternally stimulated without any country risking nuclear obliteration for itself and its allies.

why is that bad? the MIC is half the reason why we make sure in the US. the more stuff we make the better

>>514179663
>I know lets jam their exhausts up with some real sticky mud!
Traditionally potatoes are used for this purpose.
Just keep stuffing potatoes into the exhaust pipe.
>ancient polish secret

>>514165041
>we live in the most peaceful and stable era in human history

We also live in the era with the highest rates of niggers raping women, pedophiles raping kids, and jewish institutional slavery.

I'd rather have conflict and instability, you kike cocksucker.

I hope your wife, sister, mom, etc. gets raped, or your friend is murdered by a nigger, or bombed by a sand-nigger. Then you can tell yourself "well, at least I live in the most peaceful and stable era"

You're either dumb as fuck, or a goddamn kike. Either way, an hero to make the world a better place.

>>514176436
>>514176631
A very retarded post followed by a very good one

>>514161496
>I assume the government has already perfected such tech
Based on what? The pro military and government propaganda?

>>514154146 (OP)
>/SNIP
No more drone
>Oy vey
Drones are gay like jews

>>514180247
Yes, considering that drone swarms are the inevitable future of this tech. I think a large bore specialized weapon will be necessary to not be rendered obsolete.

Attack drones are already highly limited by weight, and will rely on numbers for effectiveness. I think that a near-cannon sized heavy automatic "shotgun", which can take a large variety of ammo types will be the most effective simply to increase firepower.
Multiple units could be arrayed as a screening force and communicate either wirelessly or via hardlines to improve their effectiveness.

It is not practical I think to have such a large and heavy automatic weapon to be man-portable, so this walker chassis I think is the best idea.
The turret on the hardpoint could also be available to mount on other armored vehicles as an option.

It is also the only way I can think of to include advanced sensors to provide firing solutions and improve efficiency.
The turret could even have multiple types of ammo chosen to feed, like anti-personnel shells for things like urban combat.
My earliest incarnation of this idea had the ammo using flechettes, but my research since then has led me to conclude that flechette shotguns are a meme despite promises for better range and terminal effectiveness.

>>514180865
In short, my idea is to have what is essentially a modern, militarized, fully automatic punt gun atop an armored 4-legged chassis, slaved to an advanced sensor/targeting suite.
Punt guns were outlawed in the US because they were utterly devastating to game bird populations, but I think this concept is applicable to this search for a solution to drone swarms.

>>514174878
>block's your path
what do?

>>514180303
I never said it was bad, you're just used to politicians painting M.A.D. as a bad thing because nuclear nonproliferation is in the vested interests of any country that already has nukes (especially in relation to their weaker, non-nuclear neighbors).

Just build a fence so it gets tangled LOL

>>514174762
That sounds like some kind of 1915 Tesla weapon, mass atmospheric electrical discharge. Tuned lightning.

>>514154313
Nukes don't exist. Completely fake & gay psyop.

>>514180865
It's either that (say something like 30mm AHEAD shells) or tiny AA missiles with a tailored proximity warhead, so cone probably; essentially like a shotgun shell on a rocket moter, mainly to overcome the range problem (and worrying less about launcher aim, besides designating targets or sectors and timing, like a real AA missile), not least because they can be launched in any quantity, with a ballistic range of maybe 3-400m.
>basically glorified fireworks
At least in a situation with many targets. Any gun system could be overcome with a set number of drones (and decoys).
But I'm not sure whether a cost effective seeker for this purpose can be made; may be best to give them no seeker at all, but simply specificing the detonaton point and time.
tl;dr tiny Tunguska, that one soldier can ride on like a horse and get munchhausened.

>>514154146 (OP)
Have you seen the gun drones they use in Gaza?
They are testing all these different types. They're quadcopters that have rifles attached and they fly around shooting people all day.
I didn't know that was a thing because they never use them in Ukraine for some reason.

>>514182169
>they never use them in Ukraine for some reason.
Because in Ukraine both parties have similar weapons?
Hamas has.. some Kalashnikovs and... basically shitty grad rockets.
>against nuclear armed F-35s and submarines and ultragigakikery

>>514182004
Although I do enjoy my own pet idea with the punt-walker robot.
My judging from some of the latest developments in defense, I believe the most likely countermeasure against drone swarms in the future which will achieve some level of good-effectiveness will be some kind of laser weapon.

>>514165041
Honestly, I’d take the possibility of war to live in an ethnically homogeneous society free of shitskins and leftists.

>>514182364
Yeah, lasers are fine, it will ultragigarape small drones instantly, literally slicing them apart.
Also light is reasonably fast, which makes aiming very easy.
The main issue with these system in general is detecting and tracking drones as early as possible. This can be pretty difficult.
>plastic thing flying around between trees
gg no re if you expect radar to see it

>>514182683
>light is reasonably fast
lol

>>514182898
hue, originally it read "light is extremely fast" but yeah
>doesn't fit my style

>>514166388
Yeah by cutting the wire, it's fiber optic, em waves do nothing, there's no electricity going through them, just light.