Thread 514159569

Why didn’t Jesus or God uuuhhh stop the shooter?? Isn’t he like so strong and good or something?

>>514159569 (OP)

hurrr durrr why doesnt god just remove our free will?

God didn't even stop God from dying on the cross, you think you get the easy ride?

>>514159569 (OP)
Jesus is Gods son? What is Gods name?

>>514159722
You know you can alter the course of events without interfering with free will? E.g. a car randomly hitting the shooter as he begins to fire.

>>514160062
>You know you can alter the course of events
You can't, your entire life is predetermined. Absolutely everything that happens in your life, every decision you make, it was always going to happen.

god hates catholics

>>514160194
God can do anything sweetie :)

if god doesn't do jackshit then what's the point of praying and asking god for shit?
are you stupid or what.
don't answer the question

>>514159722

>muh free will

Quick someone tell the CIA that all of its psyop programs don't mean anything because someone on 4chan said people have free will!

>>514160453
If your mind can handle it, think of God as a cosmic clock maker. He made the clock, wound it, and set it in motion. He doesn't stop the hands or slow them down, etc. When the hand strikes The Hour, he will fulfill his promise to man.

it was god's will that this happened; he works in mysterious ways

>>514160960
But if God is all-knowing he knew the outcome of the winding beforehand and if he's all-powerful he could change the clock to prevent certain events from happening within that clock analogy.
God I'm getting bored just makint this argument. Why make the clock at all and not go straight to humanity being saved in heaven?
Probable answer: God is a sadist or heaven isn't real.
Everything else is mental gymnastics.
Alternatively, 'you don't knwo God, HOW DARE YOU question him'.

>>514159722
fpbp

>>514159569 (OP)
He's no match for the tranny fury

>>514159569 (OP)
>if god good, why bad thing: the thread
All trannies must be imprisoned and euthanized

>>514161529
God and the devil are just a manifestation of good and bad, they're not actually real.

>>514159569 (OP)
>Why didn’t Jesus or God uuuhhh stop the shooter?? Isn’t he like so strong and good or something?

Jews: Why don't g_d fight our enemies for us? isn't he strong and shit?

>>514159569 (OP)
I believe in Christian traditions but I'll never understand the Christian god. Basically god allows all sorts of evil as a test? But he's omnipotent. He could just create people capable of passing the tests from the beginning. If it's all a test what's the point of praying to him? "Please god don't let me get hit by a car!" but the test is to create a society where there are less traffic accidents, right? That's what god wants, he wants humans to advance to a point where they can solve their own suffering. So he really doesn't want to solve your problems. He wants you to solve your own problems. SO what's the point of worshiping him?

Reminder that no prayer to any god anywhere ever has been heard much less answered. It aint real and you’re wasting your time if you pretend it is.

>>514161529
God gave man free will and does not intervene.

>>514159569 (OP)
So that the tranny could be condemned to hell without any chance at salvation of course.

>>514159569 (OP)
>>514160062
I love when atheist jews ask questions about Jesus

>>514160257
God hates indians*

FTFY

>>514159569 (OP)
Oy vey, this is a very tragic event what with these goyim dying, but can we just take a moment to thank g_d that not a single jew was injured by this horrible antisemite?

>>514161689

If God allows "free will" to reign and never interferes. Why do people thank him for stuff he has nothing to do with?

>>514162278
God by choosing this reality actively denies free will.
Slavery, brainwashing, coercion, being drugged, all elements of God's world that inherently breaks free will.
Free will is not an argument for justifying evil and suffering. Your choices are not your choices if you're prevented from making a choice, provided there is a choice in the first place.

>>514159569 (OP)
Fagans on here are confirmed to be mentally ill trannys that want white kids dead.
Go drink some cum like Odin now fagan tranny.

>>514159722
Uh yeah, why doesn’t he? If god is all good, isn’t being forced to follow the path he lays out for you better than having “free will” and potentially choosing evil?

>>514159569 (OP)
He gave you the chance and weapons to kill the bankers that funded the politicians than manipulated the institutions that paid the professors/doctors that conditioned the youth that took the medications and psychological damage to become mentally unstable and commit crime. YOU HAD EVERY STEP OF THE WAY RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU READY TO BE STOPPED.
God is not your babysitter. You have everything you need, just like Luigi, just like Washington, just like the Unibomber, ChristChurch and much, much more. YOU are responsible and given dominion over the Earth, useless Jew.

>>514159569 (OP)
Because man thought it was a good idea to remove God and Jesus everywhere else.

>>514159722
>>514162278
>God gave man free will
>"Ok i will be a total piece of shit and do the exact opposite of what God wants!"
>Noooo dont do that, thats a sin!
So by that logic, we are free to do as we please, but not too much, yeaaahhh....

>>514159569 (OP)
Because the kids chose the wrong denomination and were punished by a divine mandate of retribution for being C*tholics.

>>514160560
>people don't choose to fall for the psyop

>>514162652
>There is nothing in the world outside people's freewill

>>514159569 (OP)
Stopping bad people from raping and killing all the good people would remove the bad peoples free will, which is, for whatever reason, very important to the creator of this petri dish we call our universe.

>>514162201
I say a prayer to Saint Anthony anytime time I lose my car keys and it always works. Problem?

>>514159569 (OP)
I wonder how many of these cuties are diddled by catholic priests.

>>514163153
>Minnesota

Zero, Tim Walz has exclusive rights to diddle as many kids as he wants!

Just stop speaking, listen to yourself, have some respect for these innocent children.

>>514159722
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>>514159722
Is stopping murderers bad because it removes free will?

>>514159569 (OP)
No databases.
No red flag laws.

Just scanning of individuals going near schools to see if they are armed, and non-lethal drones being used to get in their way, until humans get there to stop or kill.

Will not cross that line here at home.
No machines killing humans.
Ex-military, veterans at schools is also a great idea.

>>514164237
Both in combination.

>>514159569 (OP)
So called Christains are an abomination in the eyes of the Bible. The church rapes kids and hides rapists just like the Republica. Party.

>>514159722
Free will does not exist; whether you believe in an omniscient god or physics, it doesn't matter. Free will is an illusion.

>>514164237
>>514164304
This is were we dropped off my mom today.
How do you stop someone who just rushes out of a car and starts gunning down people with a pistol even.
Should there be a perimeter where the scanning starts… you guys can see through walls, seeing inside of cars shouldn’t be a big deal, specially when you put slow down signs at a certain distance.
you guys that are more aware of this tech than me….

Let’s think this out guys.

>>514164624
Incorrect.
When you say "free will" what is the will "free" from?

>>514159569 (OP)
Ask the CIA faggots who MK-ULTRA'd the troon into doing it.

>>514164237
>>514165017
Don’t forget I also want to train the kids to use this drone tech. Will have them learning and watching over themselves one period at a time.

>>514159569 (OP)
Is that what Christians say they believe in? "I believe in God, the father almighty, the stopper of school shootings—"

>>514165209
Semantics. You have no control over your future. Everything that will happen is already set in stone and has been since the beginning of the universe. Time is not linear; we only perceive it that way.

>>514159569 (OP)
yaweh wanted them to die, clearly.

(((god))) works in mysterious ways :)

>>514166047
>X does not exist, I am the king of rationality
>If you refute my argument, that's sEmAnTicS
bravo, you're really really smarts

I win because you clearly don't understand what free will means or else you would give a straightforward answer instead of dodging

>>514166198
Why don't you explain it then? What's your special little definition of "free will?"

>>514161529
The answer is that bad things by the standard of people are not bad by the standard of God. Also you can't really be a certain way without experiencing things that happen

>>514162955
You are forgetting the shooter is in hell now

>>514166314
>can't make people be good without having pointless pain, cruelty and madness
Sounds like a skill issue.

>>514166405
all those things are not actually bad on a cosmic scale. Don't ignore half of my post

>>514159569 (OP)
>...welll...uuhhh...next time...we..uhh...eat the Batman!

>>514166308
You're the one who posted itt saying free will clearly doesn't exist so I'm asking you to clarify the foundation of your position. When you say the will isn't free you mean free from what?

>>514166580
If God is all-powerful then maybe it might have been a good idea to make things a little less shit.
And your answer is 'dude trust me/God'. Which is a pointless answer. You don't know the answer either. Saying it makes sense on a cosmic scale is just something you pretend, but have no way of knowing.

>>514166638
I laid it all out already. Seems you have no response, unless you want to define free will.

>>514159722
Yeah why? We are sinners, we use free will to sin right? Why not stop the evil sins?

>>514166937
lol it's not. Your brain is activating psycological defense mechanisms to protect you from being buck broken. I'll say it again
>The answer is that bad things by the standard of people are not bad by the standard of God
if you don't want to understand what that mean that's you're problem

>>514167099
Because you didnt say anything. You just stated vague cope that sounded like you read it off fortune cookie.

>>514159722
Free will doesn't exist you fucking NIGGER.

Even le science already got evidence that what we call a "choice" actually was already "decided" by our subconsciousness.

>>514160960
Yeah, except the time when he came to earth dressed as a jew so we could kill him
You guys have always sounded (been) crazy

>>514161136
>god wants to kill christcucks
Wtf I love god now!

>>514160960
>simping for a god that doesn't do shit for you

Grim.

>>514161689
>you believe crazy shit and worship a jew (if not all jews)
>well you’re a MAN WITH A FAKE PUSSY
Ok..

>>514160453
All religions are cope. And as with every cope, everyone coping cannot realize they are coping.

>>514169442
If you truly believe that, you're beyond hope. I made my point crystal clear. Free will means being free from determinism/causality. We are not free from determinism/causality - we are bound by it.

Think of it this way - if you were transported back in time with absolutely no knowledge of the future, would you have been able to make different choices than the ones you already made? Absolutely not. Everything about your choices was predicated on what happened before you made them.

So now, you wanna give me your brainlet take on free will? Should be interesting...

>>514159901
>What is Gods name?
you couldn't survive the knowledge

>>514162201
It’s just a scam that Jews cooked up so you don’t naturally prefer your own race

>>514169838
I'm sure in your deranged tranny mind its clear and makes sense but your efforts to communicate your thoughts clearly are lacking. Try again with out all the fart huffing cope.

>>514160321
Can he make a rock so big that he can't move it?

>>514159569 (OP)
Why would G-d interfere with his chosen people against the goyim?

>>514162399
>atheists
>jews (GOD’s chosen people)
Yeah….

>>514159722
There's no free will if god is everything.

God isn't everything, if satan can supposedly take over people's decision making.

God isn't the sole creator, if Christians insists on blaming everything that can't be associated with loving intent, on Satan, which they do.

I don't think christ-fags like yourself have any right to 'hurr durr' others, because you hold self contradicting beliefs anon, it's beyond retarded.

>>514170024
>Why would G-d interfere with his chosen people against the goyim?

Ooof. That hit hard.

>>514169838
They are just trying to rage bait you. Ignore the retards and just tell them to read some fucking philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_sufficient_reason

>>514159569 (OP)
>uhh why God let bad thing happen

>>514170024
Probably the most coherent answer considering the whole of Christianity.

>>514160194
bullshit, there is no fate but the one you make for yourself.

>>514160194
Doesn't work that way, fatalist-nigger

>>514169963
I'll take that as an absolute concession. You have NOTHING to say other than adhoms. No refutations, just classic TDS.

gfy brainlet.

>>514170249
>bad
Are you sure it was bad?

>>514169996
Being he cant even stop stray bullets from hitting a child while they're sleeping, the rock wouldn't have to be very big

>>514169761
Bro I swear it works, you just have to worship jews harder!

>>514162955
>have free will
>understand consequences of actions
>do bad things knowing they are bad
>suffer consequences
>nooooo that wasn't actually free will!
You are free to do as you please. You also suffer the consequences of your actions. Those are the rules.

>>514159569 (OP)
Free will, nigger.

>>514159722
Christcuck has the gall to imply others are retarded. You know how stupid you dopes sound talking this shit?

>>514159569 (OP)
>>514159722
>>514170119

>>514159722
>So god loves absolutely everyone
>yeah
>and he has every conceivable power and 100% control over every single thing, physical and metaphysical
>yeah
>and he's responsible for, and manifest, in everything.
>yeah
>and everything that happens in a persons life is his intent
>yeah
>a 40 year old man broke into my house the other week, tied my family down, then raped and murdered my 4 year old brother in front of us.
>bro that was Satan. Satan does those things.

So god is all powerful and doesn't share his power at all, unless it's more morally flattering to compromise this statement. I can only conclude that Christians are retarded.

I hate where most atheists of our culture are at, and where it has our own culture collectively that no one respects Christian values, but the world is certainly not going back to your theological belief system. It literally makes zero sense, and it has never made sense.

>>514170364
>You also suffer the consequences of your actions.
Oh right, cuz people choose to be mowed down by lunatics with a gun

>>514170271
Your argument is literally the argument trannies and libshits use to justify their actions. You cant explain yourself yet get upset because people dont just get you. To answer your questiuon. Yes everyone makes countless choices that could just as easily go differently if they had the chance. Very little is preordained. The tranny today chose to murder kids. It was not scripted or the result of actions beyond his control. Same as how he chose to be a troon and chose to be swept up in liberal memeshit on the internet.

>>514159569 (OP)
maybe god is trying to convince the parents/family of the slain and injured to rise up against the demonic forces around them?

>>514170376
Read the thread. We already refuted that idiotic talking point.

>>514170320
Maybe that child would grow up to kill the entire world? Maybe that child would die a more horrific death if they survived?
But answer the original question:
If god can do anything, can he make a rock so big that he can't move it? It takes the "ifs" out of the equation.

>>514169931
t retarded nobody memelord

>>514159569 (OP)
I Guess they didn't pray enough or something. Here's the thing though. If the murderer said "i am sorry, God" he will be in the same heaven as those that he murdered lol.

>>514170539
You didnt tho

>>514167099
>I laid it out already
No you didn't, you said something about semantics.
>>514169838
>free from causality
I don't know what that means, why don't you give a clear and honest answer instead of begging the question. I will answer it for you if you were honest, you would say you mean free from the material.
That is not however, what free will means. The will is free from knowledge, not free from the material.
Invoking determinism/causality is obfuscation because those are vague manmade concepts that don't help us clarify anything. Obviously you won't be honest and admit you mean free from material/reality so you can have some kind of rhetorical w here.
>if you were transported back in time with absolutely no knowledge of the future, would you have been able to make different choices than the ones you already made?
Yes of course.

>>514170527
> If they had the chance.
That's the point, they don't.

Awwww, I know it's really, really hard accepting the fact that we're bound by causality. Boo hoo. Poor little brainlet...

>>514159569 (OP)
It’s always funny watching Christcucks heads spin around 1080 degrees trying to rationalize that their Old Testament genocidal Jew god totally meant for this to happen and he’s not evil okay?! He’s just NOT!

>>514170634
Thats why jews kill babies. No chance for forgiveness.

>>514159569 (OP)
>Why didn’t Jesus or God uuuhhh stop the shooter??
cuz he isn't real, christcuck

>>514170669
>I don't know what that means
Sounds like a you problem, and not at all surprising. Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit before engaging in conversations like this.

>>514170140
>>514170249
I solved it guys. It was just punishment for the goyim.
They didn’t support Israel and worship jews hard enough. Deus vult!

>>514170673
Yes he did have a choice. Your claims to the contrary are unconvincing. No one forced the tranny groyper to kill kids.

>>514170527
>The tranny today chose to murder kids. It was not scripted or the result of actions beyond his control.

Okay, so the tranny had control of his decisions during this instance, because you wouldn't like this to be ascribed to god, but in the context of a broad discussion, any Christian pastor, priest or door knocker I talk to insists that every single physical thing that happens is god's will, and he has 100% dictatorial control over fate itself. So it seems like the theological views of Christians are quite amorphous yeah? God isn't responsible when it doesn't feel nice for you to say so.

It can't be both man. Explain to me how it can be both. God makes all of the decisions, except the ones I don't like and seem bad, so not all of the decisions. It can't be all of the decisions, but some of the decisions, at the same time. That is impossible. It makes no sense.

>>514159569 (OP)
This stupid question every single time something happens in any "Christian" institution.
Yes, bad things are happening, anon, we are very much aware of this fact. Bad things are happening in this fallen world, in century, in the last century, and in the century before. Even wars happen believe it or not, wars all over Christian nations between Christian brothers.

Read the Bible, none of your arguments are as clever and thought out as you think. Why do you even assume that God = "no bad thing will ever happen in this world"?

>>514170979
>read jewish fairytales so you can be aware the world is shit

Well, this seems very unnecessary.

>>514170790
Look, it's not my problem that you idiots know nothing about philosophy or physics.

You are clearly not intellectually equipped to process these concepts. Either that, or you're subconsciously terrified of the idea that you ultimately have no true control over your actions.

Go to Google and search "do we have free will." You will be linked to countless articles on the subject. Also, look into the recent scientific experiments that indicate free will is an illusion. Interesting stuff.

I don't have time to educate you. Pull your own weight, branlet.

>>514170976
Christian theology ascribes free will to God. Believe that or dont but the point is free will is a thing. Believing free will isn't a thing is more of god's divine plan argument if you ask me. The tranny today chose to kill kids. He's not some poor unfortunate that has to murder because society or racism or whatever as some libshit might argue.

>>514159569 (OP)
Christcucks collectively prayed to their Jewish God for Jewish death.
So they got what dey wanted.
Det cry now.

>>514171182
Yes its your problem that you cant clearly articulate the ideas of others that you yourself dont understand. Your ideology is flawed liberal nonsense.

>>514170527
Like bro, the line I've quoted is basically blasphemy on your part, by any Christian standard, because you've minimized what the Christian god's powers are, as claimed by pretty much all Christian denominations, but the blasphemy cannot be resolved, because the other take is that you accept that god chose for a tranny to kill kids, which would also be blasphemy. I think you just need to accept that there isn't even a consistent Christian theology, Christian institutions want their god to have the quality of Brahma, being absolutely everything, to give the Christian faith full authority, but you also want god to be loving, benevolent and discerning, like some human made elemental spirit. You can't have both. It literally does not resolve to sense.

>>514171334
Ah, that's right, I forgot that science is liberal nonsense. My bad.

lmfao you chuds are beyond pathetic.

>>514171182
>I don't have time to educate you

lol. Every time.

>>514171364
I'm not a christian you idiot. Free will isn't some religious belief.

>>514159569 (OP)
God does not act on earth. We are out of eden, we must learn to understand what we gave up and why we should want to return home.

>>514170979
Bro the world was always fallen in that sense, and that’s because god isn’t real.
There are vitality, spirituality, things we will never comprehend.
There is no benevolent and omnipotent creator/overlord. That’s a scam, cooked up by the Jews so we forgive them, whatever they do.
Any set of rules to explain all of reality is bullshit, there is no such set.

>>514159569 (OP)
why didn't evolution stop it?

>>514171442
Your argument is that jewish science proves niggers and troons must murder people look it up bro. Sorry but thats not a convincing argument.

>>514171240
So what if it ascribes free will to him on top of everything else? He doesn't quite need that if he's the sole, all powerful decider of every event in history, and you're actually just adding to why humans have non. If he's all powerful, AND has free will, in a vacuum, outside of the flow of cause and effect, then autonomous human decision making does not exist. Even more so than before you made these statements.

You've made your case worse, jesus christ anon. XD

>>514171451
I don't. The concepts I'm talking about take time to study and understand. You think I can fully explain the concepts of free will and determinism in one shitty pol thread? Google is your friend. Use it.

>>514171522
see
>>514171182

>>514171469
Oh fuck off
>we gotta figure out this one thing and then every problem is solved forever
I wanted to say this is how children think, but that’s false
That’s just retards, people with no curiosity and no wit

>>514171754
>I cant explain myself
I know anon. You're just an idiot trying to parrot concepts of others you arent very familiar with. Its not that you lack free will anon. You just lack ant critical thinking skills.

>>514171519
>if god isn’t benevolent then why isn’t evolution benevolent??
Holy shit I never heard this one

>>514171891
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>>514169838
If god's power is what Christian claim of it, then free will doesn't exist anon. It literally can't, and if it does, then god isn't as powerful as Christians say.

>>514171674
See>>514171453
You're arguing with a strawman in your own mind

The whole point of christianity is that the paradise is only after u die
The apostles suffered much more than being gunned down
Even the God was crucified.

>>514171932
See>>514171891
Claiming you're a retard isn't making you case any stronger.

>>514171891
Whose concepts are you parroting? Did you discover your life philosophy all by yourself with no input from others? Or did you learn everything from your preacher...

>>514171992
Yes, that's my point. I agree 100%

>>514171994
Errmmm my argument falls within the topic of the thread, which you obviously lost at some point. You're the one out of element anon.

>>514159569 (OP)
>Why didn’t Jesus or God uuuhhh stop the shooter??

>>514172032
The whole point of Christianity is you have to worship jews
Your point:
>look, these jews and god (another jew) suffered! so you don’t have to question the benevolence of god (and jews) when you suffer

>>514172064
>I need a jew to tell me that people make their own decisions
Anon are 16?

>>514172131
Then make it to one of the many anons arguing theology.

>>514172488
>Da Joooooos!!!
Yep. Nothing as usual. Figured.

>>514172375
Jews are based, Chuds are cringe

Why does this make me sad deep down. The boy is a BOY and should be a fucking man, but is crying like a pussy. But he is also a child and might have saw his bet friend have his head blown the fuck up in front of him. I have deeply conflicting emotions. I do think he needs to man up in the long term of course.

>>514172674
Yes its da joos you libshit retard. You're claiming jewish pilpul means trannys and nigger must commit crime.

>>514159569 (OP)
It was a test from God.

He wants white children to die as part of his great and perfect plan.

Christ is king.

>>514172806
He's like 8 years old anon.

>>514159569 (OP)
This is why most people hate atheists. All you can think of is your gotchas whenever a Christian is murdered.

>>514172967
Op is not atheist, hes an arabic Buddhist. I recognize his Shitalian ass in any board. Dunno why didnt his Pajeeturd god didnt save the kids either kek

>>514172880
Checks out, but the question is how many more children will god kill in till his final plan comes into fruition.

>>514172820
I love it when you chud faggots descend into nigger/tranny/jew talk. It means you have nothing. Noting but a deep-seated desire to blame all of your problems on others instead of taking accountability for your actions. Although I can't be fully mad at you, given you don't have a choice in any of this, as free will does not exist, but man, does it feel good to despise people like you.

>>514172912
I get it. But it is also the literal generational societal and literary meme of 'childhoods end'. He will forever be changed forward. And it makes me a bit sad deep down.

>>514167099
You didn't say anything. Y'lost, faggot

>>514173157
Your entire argument is that no one is to blame for their actions. At least be intellectually constant in your cope. Fucking smoothbrain retard.

>>514159722
> free will?
There is no such thing. There is only freedom of action, not freedom of will.

>>514173264
>>514173228
>>514171182

>>514173426
We all can see that you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>514173477
lmao, oh the irony.

>>514172375
But seriously, im an atheist but i left christianity for stuff like God demanding death penaltys for animals and things like that. Sure most polemic passages have some lore or meaning behind it, like the thousands pigs thing being a reference to a roman troop, but still doesnt feel like a book written by a deity. Anyway saying "hey why dont god stop people from suffering" sounds like a dumb criticism when this isnt the heaven and the heaven is deemed to be the real deal. If you just want to drop Christianity because its an Israeli religion i dont care either but thats enough no need to make up stuff if you just want to screech at Jews in the first counter argument.

>>514173542
The cope
Maybe you dont have free will after all as clearly you're not free to explain your muddled low IQ thought process.

>>514173264
I was consistent. Read the post again, all the way to the end this time.

>>514173729
Imao dude - I explained everything. You're the idiot for not understanding it. Cope, seethe, dilate, etc., etc.

>>514173730
I read it all the way anon. It was retarded as I stated. You really should stop huffing your own farts. You arent impressive in any way.

>>514173919
No, you didn't. And if you did, you didn't get it. Brainlet.

>>514173916
No you explained nothing because you literally cant. You're desperately trying to remember something you an intro to philosophy course you took long ago. Its retarded cope. The troon chose to kill kids and you cant address that.

>>514174014
Wrong
Sad that you thought that cope was some zigger.

>>514174118
>I can't be fully mad at you, given you don't have a choice in any of this, as free will does not exist, but man, does it feel good to despise people like you.

That's consistent, you fucking retard.

>>514159569 (OP)
According to the lore of the bible, if that's the god you're referring to, he has granted man dominion over Earth. Men are allowed to do evil if they so choose. He does not intervene unless we ask him to.

>>514174200
Its not. You're coping because you cant possibly articulate your poorly understood ideas and are getting upset.

>>514174070
I did address it. There's no such thing as a "choice" - we are bound by causality. I don't know how else to lay this out for you - you simply can't grasp the concept.

>>514172880
kek

>>514174360
Thats not an explanation. Posting random words you dont even understand does not explain how the troon isn't responsible for his actions. Apply your half remembered jewish ideas to this situation. Use that mind you never use libshit. Make your case.

>>514172967
Can you actually dismantle what people's arguments are though, or are you just going to cry?

>>514174311
I'm not coping - I'm frustrated at your lack of ability to understand relatively simple concepts.

>>514174555
Yes you're coping because you cant explain the ideas you were programed with.

>>514174516
>>514174659

Nah, I'm done at this point. Anyone with half a brain can read through this thread and see for themselves who the idiot is. All you've done is scream and piss your panties, claiming that I don't understand anything I've been talking about, while at the same time providing nothing to the conversation other than "nuh uhs" and ad hominem attacks. Deep down inside, you know you're pathetic, and you know damn well you've lost this argument. Again, educate yourself. Google is your friend. Also, there are a lot of free online courses about physics and philosophy available to you. You don't have any excuses for your ignorance anymore. Have a wonderful day!

>>514160453
>doesnt do jack shit
youre supposed to say "does jack shit" parmesandresh.

>>514175059
>Nah, I'm done
I know. Like all shitlibs you're only capable of ideologically preprogrammed responses like the npc you are.

>>514170756
I accept your concession

There is a lot of confusion here. If you want to understand the Christian God. Read Genesis, read Daniel, read Isiah. Then read the Gospels, Acts, and Romans. Read it from the perspective of a follower of Jesus Christ.

This will at least help you understand the basics of Christianity.

>>514159569 (OP)
free will
>>514162690
dark and light

>>514159569 (OP)
Careful, don't stab any elementary school children with that edge.

>>514170088
This. Was about to write something similar, but you nailed it. It's so fucking simple. Anyone with an IQ of 80+ should be able to understand these obvious contradictions.

>>514159722
>hurrr durrr why doesnt god just remove our free will?
no, nigger he could have just thrown a lightning bolt at the tranny shooter before he killed the kids. "free will" is the christcuck's biggest cope. it's necessary because otherwise your god is logically a sick, twisted and sadistic being for letting such things happen. he is all-powerful, is he not?

>>514159569 (OP)
so how many tranny church and school shootings is that now like 50? its almost like...they arent normal

>>514162170
Simple. Which father creates a strong child who appreciates what is given to him?

1) The one who gives his son a brand new mustang on his 16th birthday.
2) The one who gives his son a ride to and from work each day after school so the son can purchase his own car.

It's obvious to any that children given things without struggle do not appreciate them. In fact they grow up to be entitled monstrous adults. The journey matters. You want the easy way. The only way is God's.

>>514175371
I read the entire interaction and you are clearly a dumb faggot incapable of communicating with anyone in good faith. A peanut sized brain having mongoloid engaging in nothing but memes and insults, typical worthless Zoomer trash.

>>514173052
Followers of religions from the Vedic branch don't ascribe a human sense of morality to their god of everything. If referring to Brahma, they believe this everything god to be indifferent, and they accept that both good and bad things are part of its plan. They certainly have deities whom they claim have achieved one-ness with this god-like scope of things, but these deities, although they can be benevolent, are not the force of everything itself, and so are subject to Brahma. This is at least not such a self contradicting belief system.

>>514159569 (OP)
He gave them free will to stop the shooter. They chose to not stop the shooter. They chose evil.

>>514176684
Well that other anon was a libshit retard. Perhaps you can explain the big ideas he could not grasp? Or perhaps you're just another tranny libshit? Lets see.

>>514159722
God breaks the golden free will rule multiple times IN THE BIBLE. Most notably during the ten plagues of Egypt

>>514176940
Whether free will is real is a subject of ongoing philosophical and scientific debate, with no universally agreed-upon answer. Arguments against free will often cite the deterministic nature of the universe and neuroscience findings showing brain activity preceding conscious decisions. However, proponents of free will point to the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics and argue that even if decisions are influenced, the experience of choice and the possibility of different outcomes still define free will. Different philosophical schools, such as compatibilism, attempt to reconcile free will with determinism, while religious perspectives vary on the extent of human choice versus divine will.
Arguments Against Free Will

Here's google AI, about your speed, since you're too retarded or lazy to do any research yourself

>>514159722
>Free will to be shot by other peoples actions
Religious cucks are borderline retarded jesus

>>514177143
>AI slop
Worthless cope. If you read the argument as claimed then you can answer the questions your tranny pal could not. Do so of admit you have no idea what you're on about and fuck off.

jesus is a BLAQKED sissy kike
he was busy gooning while the shooting was happing

>>514177392
>reeeeeeeeeee faggot tranny nigger reeeeee
You don't deserve anyone's time, just their scorn, AI is too good for your worthless lazy ass, you retarded NPC

Proceed into your next melty

>>514162768
>made in God's image

All anti-christs will go to Hell.

>>514161529
If God is a sadist the jews are right and it makes sense why they are his chosen

>>514176447
Is it bad to murder kids?

>>514177762
Ah another libshit that cant think. Typical. Note that liberalism is a emotional female coded ideology. Liberals cannot think for themselves or reason. they can only parrot ideology and emotional hysterics while crudely attempting shaming.

>>514159569 (OP)
Because god hates jews
And in the end they will get the blame

>>514159569 (OP)
>>514159722
>>514159736
God called his children to His kingdom and faggots and troons seethe over this fact.

I thought you retards were smart, but apparently you can't grasp an omniscient and omnipresent being.

God will save more souls than those who were martyred today, due to the blowback against trans-ing. Their families will know peace through God, however difficult the journey.

>>514179378
>apparently you can't grasp an omniscient and omnipresent being
so this being knew about the event and was actually there but didn't stop the tranny. this being either doesn't care or doesn't exist
>inb4 crossjew pilpul

>>514159569 (OP)
The shooter made our world a better place. The more dead christcucks the better

>>514169838
>Free will means being free from determinism/causality
Made up nonsense.
First of all, determinism is the opposite of free will so you're just claiming free will is the opposite of NOT free will.
Brainlet take
Secondly, free will is not free from causality. You completely made that up out of nowhere and it's totally illogical. If choice is detached from posterior effects (which is the 2nd half of causality) then choice is an illusion. It's like "choosing" Cheerios for breakfast but you get [insert random breakfast food] every time. That is not choice at all. That's chaos.
>Think of it this way - if you were transported back in time with absolutely no knowledge of the future, would you have been able to make different choices than the ones you already made? Absolutely not
Your hypothetical is incomplete, which is a clear sign of being a brainlet. Does the time traveler know he was transported back in time? His choices absolutely could be different if he has new experiences/memories of a possible future. It's basically the butterfly effect.
>Everything about your choices was predicated on what happened before you made them.
That's an unproven claim and you're making the classic brainlet mistake of using the word "choices" while trying to deboonk free will. You can't use the word "choice" if you think free will doesn't' exist because there would literally be no choices by definition. Your claim collapses on itself.
MAYBE if you instead said "everything about your **path** was predicated on what happened prior" you could have made a point. But that results in a probable question begging fallacy where we're stuck asking who or what is directing the path one takes. If you automatically assume the person is not directing their own path based on what happened prior then you are a priori dictating free will cannot exist before the argument is even made.... which is a question begging fallacy by definition.

>>514163924
No such thing as innocent children according to christians.

>>514159722
people will never understand the concept of free will if they dont understand why evil must exist

>>514159722
i'd watch a movie called "GODSLAVE" in all caps

but yeah desu free will is a mistake

>>514159569 (OP)
Because uuuuuuuuh God loves trannies
>Pope Francis papacy saw significant steps toward including transgender people in the Catholic Church through Vatican policy and personal gestures. He approved a statement allowing transgender individuals to be baptized, serve as godparents, and witness weddings, and personally hosted transgender women for dinner at the Vatican. These actions represent a major shift in the Church's stance on LGBTQ+ issues, moving away from past condemnations and towards greater acceptance and pastoral care for transgender Catholics.