Thread 514170485

>Glorious Leader gives us the part of socialism that nationalizes industries, but not the part that distributes healthcare

It's not fair.

So what you're saying is... Trump is a nationalist... and a socialist...
Hmm....

>>514170485 (OP)
hes too stupid to be outsmarted. Anyone who sees any strategy behind this baboons greed is destined to be proven wrong.

>>514170596

He is basically just big crook...Mafia&co should give him their respect.

>>514170596
The only nation he's a nationalist for is Israel.

>>514170485 (OP)
>More jobs for America!!!
That will be given to non Americans. Tired of winning yet?

>>514170485 (OP)
They are multinational so fuck them
>>514170755
Shut your faggot ass up

>>514170485 (OP)
>Trump is a SOCIALIST
You're kidding yourself if you thought Intel wasn't effectively an organ of the state.

>>514171014
So it's always been socialism? But now it's not when trump is doing it?

>>514170974

I just trying to open your eyes but I guess you are blind. Fully commited to Trump-cult. Lost soul.

This was something Biden did. Do you guys honestly think Trump can even comprehend something more complicated than scamming?
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2024/11/biden-harris-administration-announces-chips-incentives-award-intel-advance
https://newsroom.intel.com/corporate/intel-chips-act

>>514170485 (OP)
>makes a deal to get stock
>socialism
I really dont think governments owning minority stakes in private companies constitutes socialism. If anything thats capitalism and based. If the government purchased a stake in every major company, not only would they be incentivised to keep the market stable, they would generate revenue and curb debt better.
Obviously theres some risky elements to that kind of link, because it shapes policy to benefit the stock market, but in theory it's a good idea.

>>514170485 (OP)
>The good parts of socialism without the fag shit
Based. He also basically nationalized US Steel too. I'm not in favor of that for nationalizing's sake, but the alternative was selling it entirely to the Japs.

>>514171183
Are you smart enough to know what makes the CHIPS act different than buying a tenth of the company?

Answer honestly.

>>514171146
You will never be American.

>>514170485 (OP)
Obama got a 60% stake in GM, personally chose the new GM president, and fired and replaced the original GM executive board

>>514171215

Trumps wants full control of Fed so he could increase amount of dollars infinitely and bought half of the world with Fed's money before dollars turns to worthless. He is full crook.

>>514171215
>I really dont think governments owning minority stakes in private companies constitutes socialism.
Well, it does.
>If anything thats capitalism and based.
Actually it's the literal definition of socialism.

>not only would they be incentivised to keep the market stable, they would generate revenue and curb debt better.
This is an excellent argument on behalf of socialism.

>>514171428
yeah its called a bailout. i dont think intel or lockheed need bailed out.

it honestly feels a lil sussy since grumph shot down CHIPS which was the only thing that even allowed Intel to start building that giant factory in ohio, now its a giant dirt pit.

>>514171428
That was socialism too. But at least that was a necessary evil in an attempt to stop GE from going under.

Trump seems to be doing it for the love of the game (the game in question being socialism)

>>514170485 (OP)
He's a businessman first and foremost. Always has been. When people consistently say the economy is their main concern I don't see the problem. Is this not why he's a populist?

>>514171328
This is directly a result of the CHIPS act. The Ludrick guy even said as much before he remembered you have to praise Trump like a 5-year old for anything to happen: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/8/19/us-wants-equity-stake-in-intel-for-cash-grants-given-under-biden

>“It’s not governance, we are just converting what was a grant under Biden into equity for the Trump administration for the American people.” He suggested any stake would be “non-voting,” meaning it would not enable the US government to tell the company how to run its business.

>>514171328
>I PAID ZERO
he repurposed unpaid chip act grants

>>514171183
Did...did you even read what you posted? Shame on you for using Townsends as a reaction image on this garbage. The Chip Act and the current US government acquiring 11 billion in Intel stock are two different events. One is literally just a direct subsidy/incentive for domestic investment (copied from Trump policy in first term btw), the other is the government buying a 10% stake in a company.

>>514170485 (OP)
funny post. anyhoo...

>>514171698
It's really funny how lefties are in favor of corporate welfare now.

>>514170485 (OP)
the municipal corporation he is running has shareholders

>>514171443
I dont care about Trump, fuck that kike lover. I just wanna talk about the concept.
>>514171482
I think there's an argument for sliding into nationalisation. Socialism is about "ownership of the means of production" which I think really means to be "controlling the means of production". Blackrock and Vanguard own 9% and 8-8.7% of intel respectively. The US government has almost the same stake as nameless faceless international investment firms. This isn't a take over. They don't have control of intel.

>>514171066
Yes, it was always socialism. No, trump collecting ROI isn't socialism. That's a net increase in capitalism.

>>514171146
He's ending British globalism in favor of national sovereignty open your eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnqf1mu0WHM&t=37s

>>514171183
isn't this guy some youtube history channel?

>>514171698
Where in the CHIPS Act does it mention the US government acquiring a 10% stake of Intel? It's supposed to be a direct subsidy, just the government handing Intel money for building in America. Not in exchange for acquiring a 10% stake AND building in America.

>>514170485 (OP)
I cant wait for gov gavin to make fun of this tweet by trump

>>514172008
>British globalism
I think you mean American globalism, aka globalism or MIGA

>>514170485 (OP)
There is absolutely no choice. Outsourcing a robot army is how you get Order 66 IRL.
Capitalism is FUCKED.

>>514171755
Townsends had a funny /tv/ meme with the exaggerated made-up 'orange fool' non-controversy thing and that's why I used it. It's funny because it pokes fun at the unjustified outrage.

>The Chip Act and the current US government acquiring 11 billion in Intel stock are two different events.
Technically true, but related. It's a direct cause-and-effect. "The previous administration gave you money and now we want to alter the deal". Ludrick specifically mentioned it.
My personal opinion is companies should be allowed to fail, but we don't live in a society where rich people pay for their mistakes.

>>514170485 (OP)
your healthcare is already taken care of
know how to exercise exemptions rights

>>514172523
>My personal opinion is companies should be allowed to fail

yeah thats a great way to have your country fall behind.

>>514171901

In Finland we have companies which are partly of fully owned by goverment...it is ok as long than the state following same rules than rest of shareholders doing but only then....even we have examples than the goverment can override and push other shareholders under truck. Latest example were here Fortum-Uniper-shit where goverment increase its holdings from company by expenses of other shareholders.

>>514170485 (OP)
I don't want you parasites to get any healthcare period.

>>514171482
>Actually it's the literal definition of socialism
It is fascism. Are you under the impression that many of us here don't support National Socialism?

>>514171662
>He's a businessman

you've had 9 years to realize thats not true.

>>514172523
Sorry I was rude anon.

>"My personal opinion is companies should be allowed to fail"
I would agree if it wasn't one of the few industries the US is dominating China in. They wouldn't go bankrupt, they'd just move to China and get nationalized by them instead.

>Technically true, but related. It's a direct cause-and-effect. "The previous administration gave you money and now we want to alter the deal".
It's also technically true that the entire push to have companies build production domestically was something Democrats campaigned for the opposite of for years, and said it was impossible when Trump suggested it in the first term. I believe Obama said "you can't just wave a magic wand".

>>514172704
I think there needs to be a clearly defined framework, like not exceeding a certain margin or letting it affect policy.