Thread 514225390

This movie has done more damage to society than most movies out there, and you probably don't even know it. It was a psyop to prepare Americans for getting mental institutions down, and everyone fell for it. So the next time you have to deal with insane homeless crackheads on your streets, you can thank Milos Forman for it.

>>514225390 (OP)
It also elevated insane/crazy people to some sort of martyr status. Misunderstood genius, creative enigmas, spiritual guru.
20 years later you saw people posing as crazy, writing about how mentally fucked they are as a kind of brag.

fuck homeless people. pathetic fucking self righteous cunts.
>waaah i fucked my life up may as well be a cunt to everyone and make it their problem

>>514225390 (OP)
>>514226482
>movie
Story is from a book.

>>514225390 (OP)
There was an effort there from the 50's through the 70's to elevate underdogs as heroes. It was a continuation of the 1910s subversion of art, driving it towards the dysfunctional, ugly, obscure.
And inevitably novelists started writing about broken, damaged, ill people. Probably innocently enough at first. An exploration of insanity with more empathy for the person. I think we saw stuff vaguely like that with Don Quixote and Hunchback of Notre Dame - and plenty of other works before the subversion of art.
However, those books, the characters were seen as sort of pitiable. It was their overcoming or coping that helped build their character. But then stuff like Catcher in the Rye came out, and it was just a straight-up celebration of the main character's neurosis... And rather than overcoming it, the reader was left wishing the world would have been kinder to the protagonist.
And Ken Kesey was definitely continuing that trend.
>>514226883
I know. I met Ken Kesey before he died.

>>514225390 (OP)
It must be tragically hard for you to get any kind of grip on your moral center.

Personally, I don't think most "Nurse Ratched" types will ever know the difference between brain damage and emotional trauma. They are representative of a large portion of matriarchs who think they can "behavior modify" their way through life and never face getting the shit kicked out of them.

On the other hand, Nicholson's "McMurphy" was convicted of statutory rape with a minor. He's the other side of moral dysfunction that plays itself out as cool as long as you can get the mentally ill some nookie.

The odd thing here is that both personality types are pretty much exactly what is wrong with liberals today, but they think that sound bites will overcome.

Moral center....it means that you know better than to put out a fire with gasoline and you're not cat people, just homosexuals.

>>514225390 (OP)
Everything coming out of (((Hollywood))) is a psyop.

>>514225390 (OP)
all those kikes were too much for governor Reagan and he ended up paying more tribute when he was president. And you gullible jew lovers believed it all. That pissing yourself and killing innocents in rage is more humane that a clinically insane being in an insane asylum. You got everything you deserved.

>>514225390 (OP)
You mean Ronnie raygun being a fucking retard and shutting them all down to win Le epic cold war? Mental asylums were pretty much pure horror beyond what the movie shows, but they just needed better regulation and accountability rather than being shuttered.

>>514227029
>Ken Kesey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJqZBoldGJI

>>514226883
Ken Kesey was a good friend of many a spook and was largely responsible for “acid tests” spreading lsd straight from another three letter agency to the public fueling the “counter culture” of the 60s.
Then he faked his death but no one believed him. >>514227029
Did he talk about any spook shit?

>>514228030
Watch the documentary immediately above (You)r post.

>>514227029
Saw a documentary where Allen Ginsberg of NAMBLA fame told Kesey that the CIA was distributing LSD to fry the brains of creative subversives and Kesey just called him a paranoid jew.

>>514227942
We mus'n't forget Geraldo Rivera's role with his news special on that asylum for retards.

>>514228030
He didn't. He just told me a story about when he quit hunting.
He said he saw a doe on a hillside, so he pulled off to snipe it, and blew her leg off at the knee. He said he saw her dart away on 3 legs with the 4th dangling behind. Then he followed her for a mile only to lose her track.
He said that was the last he ever hunted, and he'd never do it again because he couldn't shake the guilt of what he'd done.

I liked the big injun. He was cool.

>>514227942
Who says how to regulate them? Try dealing with the mentally handicapped before making these generalizations. I'd guess that you don't have much experience even managing sane people.

People are put into asylums because they refuse to learn the rules that we all accept. If you try to condition them, they try to avoid the conditioning. If you are all stick and no carrot, sooner or later, you and up being the bad person.

It's almost cliche for politicians to try to expect institutions to train the mentally handicapped to do a job that will help them to earn their keep. If you have no experience with getting cash, paying bills and buying nice things, you have no motivation to do any of it because it is far easier to convince people to give in and do it all for you while you go back to looking for shiny things to diddle with and eventually break. Far worse, you are being housed with a lot of other crazies who all have a lifetime of their own tricks for making the orderlies go the fuck away.

Working in an institution is a nasty job to begin with. There's only one thing you really need to understand before going into it. These are forever people. They aren't going to get better, they just "might" be able to be convinced to not explore the dark side of being vile. Forget about getting them laid and it's all better now. Forget about your authority and your fancy academic words. You need to treat it as a day job and learn to clean the shit off of you when you get home and never live in the madhouse with them.

>>514228784
He fucks up water fountains and aint afraid of nothin.

>>514228784
The loveable Tonto sidekick Redman. Tiger Lily too.

>>514228784
based, op is a weirdo this film is great and the injun is my bro

>>514229145
>These are forever people
That was supposed to be the motivation for lobotomy as I understand it. That since there was no possibility of behavior change, they should just be made more docile. This Cuckoo's Nest movie's depiction of lobotomy maybe misleads because patients of the procedure were supposed to recover to some extent. I believe it fell out of favor because of women's depression deemed incurable and many wives getting lobotomized.

>>514228177
I was then the wife called back at it. I took a whole class about America in the 60s and our prof was on Nixons enemies list. He didn’t pull punches about who was a spook.

>>514229575
Oh no, OP is right. It's got tikkun olam written all over it, but I'd put the blame on Ronald Reagan's philosemitic ass for closing down all of the mental asylums.

>>514229897
The more cynical side of me thinks that the early 70s political mindset would consider lobotomies a way to to dispose of political enemies. We had our own manifestations of paranoia that aren't quite the same as they are today.

McMurphy was not a pedo to our generation, just another anti-war protester.

>WAAAAAAH THE MAIN CHARACTER HAD SEX WITH A CHILD AND SMOKED CIGARETTES SHE WAS ONLY 17 YEARS 364 DAYS OLD YOU SICK FUCK

lot of faggots in this thread. One of my favorite movies. I also spent my youth having sex, smoking cigarettes and breaking out of institutions. Also I hate nurses and will choke them

>>514225390 (OP)
>Forman later discovered that his biological father was in fact the Jewish architect Otto Kohn, a survivor of the Holocaust,[14][17] and Forman was thus a half-brother of mathematician Joseph J. Kohn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo%C5%A1_Forman#Early_life

>>514226482
>It also elevated insane/crazy people to some sort of martyr status.

thats really nothing new, insane people being considered "holy" is as old as antiquity. They wre often ascribed to have some higher insight in their ramblings.

As its pretty hilarous posting this on a board where Terry Davis is the one person who is unanimously respected and honoured by everyone.

>>514226482
>elevated insane/crazy people to some sort of martyr status
literally describes /pol/

>>514225390 (OP)
how was the book ?
i never read it
or flowers for algernon

how so? i think i knew this book and movie existed but didnt see it until a year ago. it was a good movie i guess if you take the time to follow the scenes but it isnt profound or anything. i thought about how badass jack nicholson and the chief were for a few days and forgot about the movie a week later. i never took anything in the movie as fact or anything other than a work of fiction and possibly a window into how 70s era asylums were

>>514230953
One of my least favorite aspects about this board.

>>514225390 (OP)
True, but it's also a very good movie. The underlining story and humanity elements are deep and profound, that its story transcends topical politics.

>>514225390 (OP)
>it was propaganda all along
i believe it

>>514231068
It recently, within a few years, got publicity for being on that Sight and Sound magazine's Top 10 Best Movies list that is only done every decade, by polling worldwide movie critics. That list recently named some Belgian art film about a woman who commits a murder after her first orgasm as a prostitute, with long real time shots like of her peeling potatoes, as the greatest movie ever.

>>514225390 (OP)
> prepare Americans for getting mental institutions down
Not just Americans. It had the same effect here.

>>514228784
Chief is GOATed fr

>>514225390 (OP)
One thing this movie did is now if you have a bad experience with a nurse and you tell your folks or cousin or something, they just say,
>OH, LIKE ONE FLEW OVER THE KEKOO'S NEST?
And shrug it off, as if the problem were solved

>>514225390 (OP)
lobotomy was invented by Portuguese neurologist António Egas Moniz in the mid-1930s. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1949 for his development of the technique.

>>514225390 (OP)
It was made by czech director of course it was psyop

>>514225390 (OP)
>homeless crackheads on your street
Give them homes no questions asked. No one should be homeless. Give them the space they need to do what they want and they'll be out of sight.

>>514231036
Almost forgot that one. Throw in Johnathon Livingston Seagull and Born Free and you have the early seventies sewn up.

>>514225390 (OP)
Spent some time in a hospital mental wing as a kid because I liked to sleep in and skip school. It was coed, and some of the best times of my life being locked up with unstable teen girls a couple years older than me. I want to go back bros.

>>514233571
>being locked up with teen girls
We need to bring back mental institutions and I need to be locked up immediately.

>>514232314
Thanks PooPT

>>514229364
I'd give Tigerlily smallpox, if you know what I mean.

"The "Reagan era" is associated with a large-scale deinstitutionalization of mental health patients, a policy that involved reducing the number of patients in state-run mental hospitals and shifting towards community-based outpatient care. This was influenced by the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, signed by Governor Reagan in California, and the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, which consolidated mental health funding into state block grants. "

>like so many contemporary problems its origin it lies in the neo-liberal reforms of the late 70's and early 80's

>>514234010
Carter actually passed some sort of major mental health program that Congress and Reagan repealed. I don't know the details of it and you rarely hear about what was Carter's intention.

>>514225390 (OP)
they were shut down they just changed the way they could hold people. Before if you ended up in one lest say you took a bit too much acid one day you might end up there forever but not from your own derangement they would drug you by force then send you before the board and bam you are unpersoned and they use you to bill the government for the rest of your life. Reagan changed this so you had to clearly demonstrate within a ten day observation you had an abiding psychotic disorder which rendered you unable to conduct yourself and only then could they keep you.

Reagan wanted unruly behavioral cases sent to correctional institutions and jails which did not burden the Federal medicaid system.

Was good and bad like anything as now the institutions had their gravy train derailed anyone who got too close would end up being dragged in literally Shanghaied for at least that 10 day observation payday then kick you loose with SSI if you somehow managed to figure it out and get yourself free.

>>514233726
I could write a book about it, and retards would be lining up to commit themselves it was so awesome.

It's cheaper to give them housing for free and mental health support than it is to institutionalize them. It's cheaper than having them on the street too.

>>514225390 (OP)
medication time

>>514225390 (OP)
On the other hand parents could involuntarily commit their misbehaving adolescents to mental hospitals and give them lobotomies in the old days

the average schizophrenic is less dangerous than the average black, its anti white

>>514235399
Catabolic capitalism. They released covid to cause brain damage and more mental illness in the population, and now big pharma is going to cash in.

>>514225390 (OP)
I've always said this. We threw the mentally ill onto the street so big corpos wouldn't have to pay as much taxes.

>>514236334
big part of it .. I read a paper funded by the Kock bros which was aimed at dismantling our Administrative Law Courts which overwhelmingly side with citizens against the Government when they seek to deny benefits.. they hate having to pay anything to help repair the trauma they inflict on the world.

Mental institutions are not comfy like my beautiful designer home

>>514234953
I could read your stories.