Thread 514644771

I will never fucking forgive this man.

What he has done to Germany and our reputation is unbelievable.

I can't forgive him for not attacking Moscow and losing the war.

Join him in hell, faggot

No matter what else changes hitler will always have a home here. Lurk moar.

I think I recall Irving saying that Hitler wanted to attack Moscow with full force, but he had a bout of illness during the critical moment, and in Hitler's absence, his subordinates diverted to other targets, like the oil fields to the south, and ultimately it all failed.
This is similar to an episode of Napoleon's history, featuring his illness, and poor planning in his absence, leading to his ultimate demise.

>>514644959
Unfortunately I don't have friends in Argentina

>>514645958
DAMN
beat me to it

>>514645982
Kek nice

>>514646037
Germanic hivemind at work

>>514644771 (OP)
His wisdom was unbelievable. I'd love to know how much of it was first hand experience an observation, how much of it was things he read, what he read or imparted on him by the company he kept and the things they read or observed. He was a bottomless spring of insight and teaching.

Truly one of the greatest men to have ever lived.

>>514645786
Whoops, I got it all wrong.
https://youtu.be/mWmA_s80RxU?t=3320
Hitler argued for precisely the opposite. They ended up doing half of Hitler's desires, half of his generals, and in the end it failed.

None of it makes sense.
Why do the jews always win?
Is evil just the winning side?

>>514644771 (OP)
Strategically it is unknown how to defeat the Russians and he had every right to think he had

However, we know that the presence of the European plain means large scale counter attacks across its are very likely to succeed.

So, any further attack on Russia would need to retake territory as far as the Urals.

You would then need to ensure no Siberian originating counter attack by the Russian Eastern Divisions.

This requires enormous troops numbers as holding the land requires more than any penetrating force.

>>514644771 (OP)
I have to be honest sometimes I do think like this. I just wish things worked out.
>>514647394
I think about that every day. Evil happens everyday and if you point it out you're racist. I won't feel bad for the loss of millions of whites because a good chunk of them have been brainwashed and there is no saving them, they are completely lost and will fight to their death defending the shitskin hordes. I don't know what the fuck went so wrong and if we're gonna make it. Feels so fucking hopeless at times

>>514646855
based

>>514647220
>His wisdom was unbelievable. I'd love to know how much of it was first hand experience an observation, how much of it was things he read, what he read or imparted on him by the company he kept and the things they read or observed.
Everything you just listed had nothing to do with it fag. The root causes are much, much deeper.

He was likely the avatar of Wotan or some other divine being. No way he was human. So yes, Gods exist, but Jews don't want you to know that.

>>514646037
Calm down Wolfgang.

>>514644771 (OP)
He was merely an instrument, hate the puppet masters

>>514644771 (OP)
>I can't forgive him for not attacking Moscow and losing the war.
Retard. Napoleon captured Moscow too and what happened to him? The drive south was the correct move.

>>514644771 (OP)
>It's Hitler's fault that he lost
This is vicitm blaming you dirty, Pole.

>>514644771 (OP)
shut up abdullah. nobody cares for your cockroach opinion.

>>514648788
Can't compare logistics in Napoleonic times to WW2, dumbass
The USSR was highly centralized and Moscow was its nerve center
Besides, Hitler also ruined the drive south the following year with Directive 45, maybe his biggest 'blunder' of all (but that's a very high bar)

>>514648788
>dudes on horses and with muskets is the same as the most advanced fighting power on earth
retard

>>514649153
When your soldiers have meth, anything seems possible.

>>514644771 (OP)
Shouldn't have made camps. Shoulda just shot them where you found them. Camps just gave them a way to escape death.

>>514649282
When your doctor is a soviet asset and mind control expert, anything seems possible

>>514649252
You must be a turk

>>514649452
If you capture the HQ, the war ends. He should have captured Moscow.

Have you never played Advance Wars?

>>514649153
The Soviet Union did not need Moscow to direct their military, they needed oil from the Caucasus. As did Germany. Germany was having to supply all of Europe with oil from synthetic production and the Romanian oil fields. Opel had to shut down production in trucks at one point because they hadn't enough fuel to test the engines. Capturing the Caucasus oil would have allowed Germany to continue the war and destroy the Soviets.

>>514649489
Everyone was on amphetamines in the 1940s retard. In the US you could buy them without prescription into the 1970s and they still issue amphetamines to pilots.

>>514649865
No one denies that, but the Nazis abused it and documented it.

At least he tried....

>>514649350
It's strange how all these fake forged texts like "A Racial Plan" and "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" all turn out to be correct. The foragers were either not foragers at all or they had brilliant foresight and just couldn't think of a way to get anyone else to see what they could see coming so they felt the need to lie

If these are fake, all it ends up doing is hurting resistance to Jewish power

>>514648733
I've read some conspiracies on him being a psy-op and some of them really make you think. I don't want any of them to be true

>>514649865
Kill yourself junkie

>>514644771 (OP)
Germans would have genocided by the communist jews in Weimar, had it not been for Natsocs

>>514650471
Not sure how it hurts resistance to jews.

As a white person you should not be supporting a non-white person, there is no convincing necessary it's just basic survival skills.

If we hadn't opened a second front he probably would have won in the east. We were very close to declaring neutrality, too. It was only Churchill the Jew owned drunk that drew us into war.

>>514649713
>The Soviet Union did not need Moscow to direct their military
Of course it did. Again, the USSR was highly centralized. Not just its bureaucracy, but also its infrastructure, as can be seen for railways on the map I posted
>needed oil from the Caucasus. As did Germany
Exactly. That's why Heeresgruppe Sud had the Caucasus as its primary objective, and included thousands of petroleum engineers and hundreds of kilometers of pipelines
And what did Hitler do THE VERY DAY that HGS captured Rostow-on-Don, the gateway to the Caucasus? He issued Directive 45, splitting up the army group (classic mistake nr 1) sending its best forces hundreds of kilometers to the east to attack an extremely fortified position (classic mistake nr 2) extending supply lines to breaking point instantly (classic mistake nr 3) while leaving the capture of the Baku oil fields to its least mobile forces (classic mistake nr 4)
Biggest blunder in all of military history, and all his competent generals at the time knew it, and were horrified
And again, Hitler when he issued this bizarre order was high as a fucking kite due to the injections of his personal physician the half-jewish quack Dr Morell >>514649489, a likely soviet asset and mind control expert

>>514650623
>I've read some conspiracies on him being a psy-op
He was, but most of the conspiracies available get it wrong, sometimes suspiciously so
It's a fact that Hitler was recruited by the Thule society to lead their political vehicle, the DAP, and the Thule Society was founded by a masonic cryptojew named Adam Glauer, who also sold the penniless soldier Hitler his newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter

>>514651564
In 80 years everyone that worked out now out will be considered a junkie because they used pre-workout.

He looks like Kevin Spacey

>>514644771 (OP)

If anything, it was his failure to maintain standards of those sycophants directly under him.

The yes men are the clowns that brought Germany down. Goring, Himmler, etc, and especially the one man left out that was crucial in undermining Hitler -- Martin Bormann.

These assholes were to busy with their flashy, lavish, earthly charms and didnt keep the faith and dedication.

Hitler eventually came to realize he couldnt count of his cabinent, and gradually increased his affairs into thier business occupying more of his time with BS that he wasnt worth his time..

Hitler needed to replace those goons with people dedicated and focused on the job, but he didnt out of 'loyalty' and it cost him & Germany.

source: trust me bro.

>>514651841
Because by mixing lies with the truth, you've just discredited the truth. If they did lie and it wasn't just Jews covering their tracks, what they should had done was write down what they actually know, even if it's speculation. That way when it does come to fruition, you can point back to these writings

If you don't need to lie then doing so is a stupid move. Lying is for the wrong and the guilty and it eventually hampers you. You can get anywhere with bullshit, but it won't keep you there

>>514644771 (OP)
>not attacking Moscow

Lmao, taking Moscow in 1941 with the Red Army still in the field would've been creating Stalingrad a year early, but with most of the German army trapped there instead of just a corps. That big winter 1941 Soviet counterattack would've still happened.

Hitler was actually right that the two main objectives of Barbarossa needed to be Leningrad (meaning logistics could be shipped up the Baltic and offloaded directly onto the Soviet rail network) and cutting off the Soviet supply of oil from the Caucasus (without which all those T-34s would've been useless). Some of the generals thought that taking Moscow would have been like taking Paris, ignoring that Moscow had only been the capital of the USSR for like 20 years. Barbarossa ended up being a compromise between those two positions.

After the war, Zhukov said Leningrad-Baku was the correct strategy. The reason the Moscow myth continues is because the guys who survived blamed the dead guy for everything that went wrong

>>514653600
Bormann was a Soviet asset just like Dr Morell
The NSDAP and Hitler's inner circle were infiltrated all the way by their declared enemies, which is also why jews and their anglo minions felt safe in propping him up

>>514654031
None of this would have been a big deal, if Japan attacked from the east with like 3 million people. They fucking didn't.

>>514655228

It's kind of funny to think that between Japan and Italy, Germany had pretty much the two worst possible allies, and Hitler's refusal to sell them out cost him the war

Rommel and the Afrika Korps could've been decisive in Russia not even counting something like 40% of the fuel, vehicles and ammunition shipped to him ended up on the bottom of the Med, and honoring the Tripartite Pact gave FDR the excuse for open warfare in Europe

>>514655228
>They fucking didn't.
Right, and Stalin learned about that through his spy in the German embassy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge, because Nazis were supposedly so dumb, they let a literal communist become the most important man at their most important embassy
But anyway, why did Hitler even declare on the US?
That's what every German soldier and officer wondered at the time
It's just sad how much you trusted that golem collectively, up to the very end

>>514644771 (OP)
Shriklgrubber was propped up by Wall Street

Imperial Japan founded the fugu plan.

You believe in farce "history", you are a slave, nobody cares about your opinions about theatrical history.

>>514647394
They don't always win. In fact, they always eventually lose.

>>514644771 (OP)
Shut up fucking KIKE!

>>514645958
U can b my fren, we will go for hike then drinks much beer and eat marzipan

>>514654031
Moscow was the center of russian railway infrastructure, by taking it they wouldve crippled all russian far east reinforcements and american lend lease, resulting in a total victory

>>514656158
>>514654031

>>514656441
im not fucking reading all that, what the fuck?

>>514655774
>But anyway, why did Hitler even declare on the US?

1. In July 1941, FDR issued the order for USN ships to fire on German ships on sight, which was a literal act of war, and an unknown but non-zero number of subs had been destroyed and crews lost. The US was also openly arming and supplying Germany's enemies, so Hitler figured he was basically formalizing what was already happening, while opening up the opportunity for U-boats to operate off the US coast
2. Hitler also figured it was important to show nervous allies and neutral countries that Germany kept its word
3. Everyone in the German leadership vastly, vastly underestimated the capacity for the vast US industrial system to switch from manufacturing consumer goods to manufacturing weapons. They didn't think that a company that made washing machines could make bomb sights, a company that made radios could make radar sets, a plant that makes millions of car engines could make millions of tank engines, or aircraft engines, etc
There was some moment when an Afrika Korps commander was talking about his vehicles getting ripped up by endless American ATG rockets, and Goring (I think) said something like "Americans? All they can make is razors!" and the commander said "We could do with some of those razors."

>>514644771 (OP)
William Coates?

>>514644771 (OP)
Dumb bastard couldn't even conquer england in Dunkirk. Nazis were high on meth lol

>>514644771 (OP)
Great man of history

>>514656836
youre high on poop jeet

>>514652815
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. Everything good in life turned out to be a lie and ended up shit anyway. Feels fucking doomed in this shithole of a planet.

>>514656158
This, of course. See >>514649153
And everyone knew it too. Literally ALL his generals, Guderian, Halder, Jodl, Hoth, Von Bock, Brauchitsch and Keitel vehemently opposed Directive 33 which halted the advance on Moscow. Some even added supplements to attempt to mitigate its damage. Everyone involved who wasn't a total yes-man was utterly horrified and flabbergasted by this Directive, which is in itself pretty unique in military history, but the fact about Hitler is that this happened at least THREE TIMES during WW2, i.e. Hitler snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with the most retarded Directives (Dunkirk and Directive 45)
To this day, these Directives leave military historians puzzled and force Hitler apologists into the weirdest gymnastics
No commander in chief in history has a record that comes even close in terms of obvious, classical and crucial mistakes, and Hitler did it all the while being injhected with copious amounts of stimulants and narco-hypnotics from his personal physician doctor and mind control expert, Dr Morell
>>514656536
>US was also openly arming and supplying Germany's enemies, so Hitler figured he was basically formalizing what was already happening
So another very poor decision, as the declaration made a vast difference
> show nervous allies and neutral countries that Germany kept its word
Yet it resulted in his most important ally being invaded and capitulating within the year, and as I said, it alienated the rank and file iof the German army not a little bit
>Everyone in the German leadership vastly, vastly underestimated the capacity for the vast US industrial system
No they didn't. Many warned Hitler what would happen, as US industrial capacity was already obvious to everyone

>>514657390
It doesn't have to be such a blackpill. If we can ever hope to resist and defeat them we have to know how they create, capture, control and direct opposition. Because the tactics used witht he nazi psyop weren't exactly new
After realizing and digesting the number jews did on my people in history long before Hitler, there's no black pill that can demoralize me. I won't rest until I've done everything to expose their crimes and diminish their influence

>>514657928
It is a massive blackpill to me because he was supposed to be the one who stood against it all.
>After realizing and digesting the number jews did on my people in history long before Hitler, there's no black pill that can demoralize me. I won't rest until I've done everything to expose their crimes and diminish their influence
This is a fair point, I'm a cucknadian with no real history or nation

>>514644771 (OP)
You're a retard. Taking Moscow wouldn't have done shit. They needed to have commited more heavily to taking the oil.
>>514644959
Seethe kike

>>514644771 (OP)
>What he has done to Germany and our reputation is unbelievable.
Go outside of Europe and North America, and the rest of the world respects Germany for at least trying

>>514657621
You're a kike faggot retard. Every move Hitler made was the correct one. Napoleon literally took Moscow and it didn't do shit. The Soviets had already move command and industry to the east

>>514657928
>Le Hitler was actually controlled op
Kike.

Hitler was kino.

>>514644771 (OP)
d-dad?

>>514644771 (OP)
I forgive him

>>514649713
I find it really hard to believe that Germany at that point in the war had any manpower/equipment left to spare in securing the Caucasus. The Soviet Union was already amassing twice the number of men and would have eventually broken through just as they did. Any forces in the Caucuses would be stranded and cut off.

>>514659957
They don't know anything about NS Germany or Hitler, they just see "ooh another white nation tried to fight Britain and France who colonized us" and their monkey brain is pleased to see this.

>>514656536
FDR gave that order because a Uboat attacked the USS Greer. By mistake albeit nearby British planes dropped depth charges (or whatever there called) on it and the Uboat thought it was coming from Greer and they it was a british ship

>>514661102
i see a man that tried to save his nation and got painted as a demon

>>514649577
I like how you didn't even deny being a turkroach.
>>514661102
Shut up, shitskin.

>>514660712
According to high-as-a-kite Hitler, Heeresgruppe Sud not only had enough manpower and equipment to secure the Caucasus, they could do so at half strength and send their best troops all the way east to extremely fortified Stalingrad

>>514645786
>>514647233
I was under the impression hitler was rather a poor military leader, his generals often had to fight with eachtoehr to get his praise or attention

>>514644959
Go do something with your life outside of spamming this image in Hitler threads

>>514644959
shalom

>>514644771 (OP)
>Bormann: Mein Fuhrer, Berlin will fall in a matter of hours, we should evacuate. I Got a plane ready-
>Hitler: No. We will all stay.
>*Kills himself*
>Bormann leaves the bunker
Clearly he was murdered.

>>514645958
Just downloaded a German school history book and saw some aesthetic NatSoc stuff in it thought I'll share

>>514665229
>Bormann leaves the bunker
>is never seen again
Bormann was a soviet asset

>>514657621
>Literally ALL his generals, Guderian, Halder, Jodl, Hoth, Von Bock, Brauchitsch and Keitel vehemently opposed Directive 33 which halted the advance on Moscow.
>Many warned Hitler what would happen
This is a product of survivors writing the story and blaming the dead guy who wasn't there to defend himself. The drive on Moscow was suicidal idiocy and the only reason Hitler agreed to including it as a compromise was because they all figured the Soviet state would collapse more or less instantly ("kick in the front door and the whole rotten house will come down"). Moscow had some strategic utility as a transport hub but that didn't solve the German logistical nightmare of either having to rebuild the old Russian rail network from scratch, or what they ended up doing, which was unloading German-gauge trains and then reloading them onto Russian-gauge trains, which was an absolute clusterfuck and was paralyzing their ability to conduct operations

Once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, they needed to secure the actual strategic objectives, which were Leningrad to get a large port hooked up to the Soviet rail network, and most importantly to cut off the Red Army from its oil supply at Baku. Directive 33 was absolute desperation to give up the stupid pointless objective (Moscow) in order to try to reinforce the two objectives that were necessary to win the war (Leningrad and Baku)

>>514665920
>Bormann was a soviet asset

I think Gehlen thought as much, though ofc Gehlen didn't know about Ultra

>>514660101
>Hitler was kino
he was the quintessence of based

"The most precious possession you have in the world is Your Own People. And for this people, and for the sake of this people, we will struggle and fight, and never slacken, never tire, never lose courage, and never lose faith.” ~ Adolf Hitler

>>514666764
It's funny how kikes invested endless amounts of time and money to smear him to turn him from a legend to something people fear and despise and now it's all coming down

>>514644771 (OP)
The alternative for his legacy would’ve been kissing Anglo ass for eternity until being a lapdog just like modern Germany

>>514665940
>survivors writing the story and blaming the dead guy who wasn't there to defend himself.
Nonsense. They all protested at the time, and quite forcibly. Some, as I said, even trying to tweak the Directive
> The drive on Moscow was suicidal idiocy
No it wasn't but in any case, it was part of Barbarossa's original plan
>Moscow had some strategic utility
As I've pointed out >>514649153, that's a huge understatement because the USSR was a highly centralized state, Moscow had been its capital from the start, its infrastructure was entirely centered around it, and it contained much of its command and control center
Regardless, Directive 33 was a massive and highly suspicious 'blunder' for many reasons, most prominently the fact that it split Heeresgruppe Mitte, and divorced it of its most mobile divisions, which were send all the way north to Leningrad where they would be of very limited use assisting a siege in swampy land
If one wanted to sabotage Barbarossa in 1941 and stall the German advance at a moment when it appeared to be reaching a primary objective and possibly deliver a fatal blow to the Soviet regime, Directive 33 was the way to go
>>514666030
Yes, he did, and not just Gehlen, see >>514654320

>>514644771 (OP)
living in the world he fought to prevent-
a nightmare future they bet everything to stop-
all I can say is it was worth fighting the entire world in order to keep this horror that we exist in from being realized.
I do think about how different things would be if it there had been an actual extermination effort and as many as possible were killed as efficiently as nazi germany could manage.
I think about if that is forgivable, that there was no attempt at genocide and how badly it needed done, how easy it would have been to issue blanket execution on sight orders and international assassination teams.

I admire that man.
people here supported him. even coke and disney (at first) I think if a much greater effort had been put into propaganda and politics aimed at the USA- things could have been different.

>>514644771 (OP)

Its a glass half full or half empty situation. You hate him for what he did and i love him for what he almost did.

>>514644771 (OP)
>>514644959
Anything you think Hitler is guilty of, the Allies are more guilty of. Warmongering, genocide, and all

>>514668171
This world is the fucking definition of a nightmare.

The pain has to stop. This man tried preventing this. Here we are. Does everyone fucking enjoy this?

>>514665908
I like this one

There is fucking thousands of aesthetic pictures. It's unbelievable.

>>514668084
>They all protested at the time, and quite forcibly. Some, as I said, even trying to tweak the Directive
That's what they said in their memoirs. Also, of course, they were wrong.
>No it wasn't but in any case, it was part of Barbarossa's original plan
Barbarossa was a compromise between Hitler's preferred Leningrad-Baku strategy, which was correct, and the generals' desire to have a big parade in Moscow, which was stupid. Center was originally just supposed to have enough forces to stop Soviet flanking attacks on the two main thrusts. The roughly even 3-way split was a compromise that doomed them.
>Moscow had been its capital from the start, its infrastructure was entirely centered around it, and it contained much of its command and control center
Every word of this is wrong. Moscow had only been the capital since 1918, aka 23 entire years. The entire government evacuated from Moscow in October 1941 and didn't return until 1942, and it functioned just fine from Kyubishev or whever it went, efficently directing the massive Soviet winter counteroffensive of 1941, which came from east of Moscow and around it. Stalin didn't hunker down in a Stalinbunker under Red Square. If the Germans had driven on Moscow with a huge force and taken it in fall 1941, they would've been stuck there as that big counteroffensive surrounded them - Stalingrad, times 10
>possibly deliver a fatal blow to the Soviet regime
Again this is all postwar cope from surviving German generals and if you think about it for a second it doesn't make any sense. The Soviet regime wasn't in Moscow. What would've delivered a fatal blow to the Soviet regime was cutting it off from its fuel supply, and for Germany to be able to efficiently transit logistics across the Soviet rail network, for which they needed a big safe Soviet port accessible to German shipping, aka Leningrad
Zhukov said as much, and you can tell everyone agreed on this because in 1942, the Germans didn't try to take Moscow again.

this time we can do it
trust the plan
HAIL UKROPA

>>514644771 (OP)
>Not attacking Moscow
His attempts to attack Moscow was literally the largest series of battles in history until then. At Rzhev alone, close to 3.8 million men died. More then everyone involved or dead in the Ukraine war.

>>514645982
>>514645958
Hivemind lol

>take Moscow
>industry unaffected
>government moves
>only symbolic victory
>soviets play up propaganda of losing Moscow to Napoleon but taking it back
>war plays out the exact same
Russia is not Paris you dont take one city and have the whole thing collapse.

>>514671820
>Soviet winter counteroffensive begins and encircles Moscow
>now you have 1/2 your entire armed forces stuck in a city that you have no way of supplying
>Soviets taken Berlin in 1944

>>514644771 (OP)
I will never forgive the jews for 9/11.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwfH7QVpXM

https://archive.org/details/TexeMarrsWithGuestVictorThorn-TheZionistPlottersBehindThe9-11

Israel has a long history of using false-flag attacks against us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
>The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents", or "local nationalists"...

And let's not forget the USS Liberty:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYjRREqUF0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JITBsNMcN8A

Israel's attack on the USS Liberty was a failed attempt at a false-flag operation. The plan was to sink the Liberty with no survivors and blame it on the Egyptians so that the U.S. would bomb Cairo and send in troops. Fortunately, the Liberty survived (but with 34 dead and 171 wounded). Unfortunately, shabbos goy President Lyndon Johnson (whose mistress, Mathilde Krim, was a Mossad agent) made sure the entire incident was swept under the rug, and the crew of the Liberty was threatened with court martial if they spoke to the press about what happened.

Here are some of the people who helped plan the 9/11 false-flag operation and carry it out: Ehud Barak, Ariel Sharon, Binyamin Netanyahu, Dov Zakheim, Michael Chertoff, Philip Zelikow, Ehud Olmert, Larry Silverstein, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and George W. Bush, along with the scores of Israeli operatives arrested by the FBI but ordered released by Chertoff and returned to Israel where they were lionized.

Nuke Tel Aviv as payback for 9/11 and give what's left of "Israel" back to the Palestinians.

>>514673025
Or for assassinating President Kennedy.

https://archive.org/details/finaljudgmentmichaelcollinspiper

https://rumble.com/v2h4a92-jfk-israel-and-the-assassinations-of-the-kennedy-brothers-laurent-guynot.html

>>514674321
Or for running child sex-trafficking rings for blackmailing our politicians into giving Israel anything it wants.

>>514669134
kino

>>514665748 , ...
Kino AF. Thank you based Anon.

>>514667718
>Soon.jpg.exe

>>514667718
Hitler was successful in his mission giving them generational trauma. Mayorkas burned the holocaust card.
>I let all these people in because of...THE HOLOCAUST
He really did that.

>erm ackshually I hate Hitler but for BAASED reasons
no one is buying the bullshit, fed
1488 gas the kayaks race war now

>>514644771 (OP)
he saved you from getting nuked then.

>>514667718
>It's funny how kikes invested endless amounts of time and money to smear him to turn him from a legend to something people fear and despise and now it's all coming down

Napoleon got the same treatment, and it wasn't until the British started getting worried about the Germans, and needed a continental ally in France, that he went from Baby-Eating Monster to Worthy Foe and Genius General, coincidentally also about two generations later

>>514670337
>That's what they said in their memoirs.
Nope. All war diaries (e.g. Engel, Halder) and eye witness accounts agree about the conflicts in Hitler's staff. It's really not in dispute
>the generals' desire to have a big parade in Moscow, which was stupid
I've already presented arguments that is wasn't. All German generals who weren't yes men agree. Like those yes-men, you've given no arguments beyond 'the Fuhrer was right'. This is going nowhere
> Moscow had only been the capital since 1918, aka 23 entire years
During which they built a highly centralized state with the capital at its center. Again, you're not presenting any arguments to counter mine
>they would've been stuck there as that big counteroffensive surrounded them - Stalingrad, times 10
Wait - you're comparing Stalingrad - a massively fortified position which the Germans assaulted - to a hypothetical counteroffensive by Russians in - by them presumably heavily fortified - Moscow?
>Again this is all postwar cope
Again, the divisions between the general staff and the dilettante Hitler are well documented at the time, beyond memoirs and such
In fact, the cope is all yours, because you have to twist facts (mostly by denying them) in such a way that the infallible Fuhrer was right after all
These are the mental gymnastics I talked about here >>514657621, it's not just Directive 33 and the very obvious and massive blunder of halting the Moscow advance, you display the same desperate cope when trying to explain away Dunkirk and Directive 45 (Stalingrad)

>>514671820
>take Moscow
>industry unaffected
Kek, where do you retards even come from?

>>514678471
>eye witness accounts agree about the conflicts in Hitler's staff. It's really not in dispute
We're saying the same thing. Also they were wrong, and Hitler was right
>Like those yes-men, you've given no arguments beyond 'the Fuhrer was right'.
>During which they built a highly centralized state with the capital at its center.
>Again, you're not presenting any arguments to counter mine
1. Moscow became the capital in 1918.
2. The Soviet government left Moscow in October 1941 and didn't return until 1942. It wasn't there when the Germans got there. Stalin made public appearances in November, but the government was operating from Kyubishev.
3. The Germans never again tried to take Moscow. In 1942 their whole objective was to take Leningrad and Baku, the two actually important objectives that would've let them win the war in 1941. They didn't try for Moscow again, they went for the fuel supply of the Red Army.
4. Zhukov said taking the Caucasus oilfields and Leningrad was the correct strategy and that the OKW's obsession with Moscow was a mistake

Maybe you should read the memoirs of the guy who won the war, not the cope from those who lost it. Also it'd be fun for those losers to explain how taking Moscow over those oilfields would've totally won the war in 1941, but everyone agreed was pointless to try in 1942 and 1943.
The Germans taking Moscow in 1941 would've then been encircled by the Soviet winter counteroffensive and it would've been Stalingrad, times 10, a year earlier. If the Germans took Baku all those T-34s and American trucks would have been useless. That's why the German objective for the time they still had the initiative was the oilfields.