Thread 514656665

>tax the rich
why is this statement so controversial?

>>514656665 (OP)
how are they not taxed in aussie land? you left wing woman ran country let that happen?

>>514656665 (OP)
Because it's ignorant. The rich don't get paid salaries, so you can't just tax them like you would people who live off of income.

>>514656665 (OP)
The rich own the media which tells NPCs what to think. Their main argument, "If we tax the rich they'll flee the country," is bullshit anyway since the Panama Papers confirmed they've been using tax havens forever anyway.

As someone who studied tax law I find it a bit nonsensical, because rich people don't have to own anything. There is no benefit to them owning anything on paper either.

The government goes after modal to above modal people because they have a very clear money trail. You can just ask employers to tax them for you. And put some VAT on their goods. And they don't have the money to move elsewhere.

>>514656665 (OP)
Make sure it remains controversial so people never think about taxing the value of land or similar.

>>514656665 (OP)
i think you mean 'ax the rich, innit?'

>>514656665 (OP)
> Be poor person
> make bad decision
> become poorer
> get free money from taxes
> make more bad decisions

>>514656665 (OP)
Worry about the fact you have subhumans living in the same country as you, voting in your elections so that you will do their bidding.

>>514656665 (OP)
Because they tax you as soon as they find out the rich dont have the money, and those who have already fled to switzerland. They just want your stuff.

>>514656665 (OP)
The top 1% of earners in Britain pay 28% of the total income tax. And the top 10% of earners pay 60%. The truth is that the majority of people never meaningfully contribute to the economy.

>>514656826
Norway followed his advice and taxed the rich to thw point that government revenue decreased.
It all benefits only bug corporation. For example someone sets a startup. Raises 1 mil for 10% of his shares. That 1 mil will be used to develope a product. But now norwegian government decided that you got 9mil worth of shares and have to pay taxed on your capital gains. So you would have to seel half your shares to some baby boomer equity fund.
Notice, he always says how rich people accumulate all the housing in the uk. But never supports a very simple solution, taxing a property wealth above certain threshold and putting draconian taxes on unoccupied property. Why? Because that would hurt the investment funds like blackrock that have been buying all those houses.
He is a pro corporation, pro banking and pro investment fund shill, and anti entrepreneurship shill. Prbbly too stupid even to realize thag.
It's the same as he is pro multicultalism, because he grew up among shitskins. Completely ignoring the fact that those his shitskin friends would behead him if they were the majority in the coubtry.

>>514656757
Tassal is a foreign company
Tax Contributions
Tax Payments: Despite high reported income, Tassal and its competitors have faced scrutiny for low tax payments. Between 2013-2021, the major salmon companies, including Tassal, reported over $7 billion in income but paid only $51 million in taxes.
Same with gas, coal, special land rocks.

>>514656665 (OP)
> tax
faggots
kill them

>>514656665 (OP)
Tax jew wealth at 100%

>>514656665 (OP)
Why are you entitled to other people's money? They were given that money by customers who saw value in the product they gave out? The only reason people give money to government is because they'll be thrown in prison if they don't give money. How about we get our money back from the government instead of asking our fellow citizens to give up theirs?

>>514656811
Have we considered closing the stock market and making publically traded companies illegal?

There would unironically be alot less of the whole line goes up worship if stocks were banned.

>>514656665 (OP)
it's how and who define as 'rich'
People that makes $50k/year thinks that $200k/year is more money than anyone could ever need.
people who make $200k/year think that $500k/year is rich.
and so on...

>>514656665 (OP)
>tax the rich
>tax
Well we naturally hate taxes because they are unnatural and used against our interests
>the rich
We hate them because they have different interests than us and would rather see us all starve just for a sense of superiority even though most of them lucked into their wealth via inheritance or playing the stock markets. Either way we know the more we tax them the more likely they will be to take their wealth somewhere else entirely because even spending their taxes made their lives easier and ours they’d rather ours be hard and they wanna gate keep everything to the tiniest degree whether it’s college with crazy tuition or pushing a bunch of regulations that would crush small businesses like certifications or the gay shit they tried in Austin way back making all the local bbq shacks put million dollar filters on their businesses so they don’t have to smell bbq in the neighborhood.

>>514662324
Yeah but what if we banned the stock market
A big problem with it is that publically traded companies need not just make profit but must always make more profit than last year or else they are failing.

>>514656665 (OP)
>Tax the wealthy in your district.
>Rich: Okay we'll move
>Well the law is still in place so who is the richest here now?

>>514656665 (OP)
he got his and he wants to make it harder for you to get yours

>>514656665 (OP)
The problem is usury, simple as.

>>514662696
What if we banned usury aswell as the stock market.
The stock market is basically a form of usury anyway

>>514656665 (OP)
Because it's the mega-rich billionaire class saying it, and the "rich" they are referring to are upper middle class families, and then once that isn't enough (nothing ever is) it will be middle-class families.

We are ruled by jews with so much wealth they are literally immune to taxation. They just move it around, invest it in each other's front businesses, "donate" it overseas and launder it... remember who you are dealing with, here: jews. And jews lie. Jews abuse language and laws, and prey on Whites.

>>514656665 (OP)
Because the rich are already taxed, which makes you look like a fucking retard, which you are.

>>514656665 (OP)
Because the same people that say this rolled over on tariffs. If they are willing to take it and pay the raising prices on imported goods while seething at the govt while it attempts to incentivize domestic growth I don't want those retards anywhere near a total tax on people deemed "rich" by millionaires.

>>514662794
Ban usury, stop printing fiat funny money and get rid of private central banks so we can print our own real money

>>514656665 (OP)
You are the "rich" dumbfuck. What about taxe nobody ? What the fuck the gvt even need money for ? Jewcraine ? Cohen 19 ? Importing more niggers and jeets ? Envy is a cardinal sin for a reason, you dumbfuck. Thou shalt not covet !

t. broke ass nigger

>>514656665 (OP)
>kill all communists
why is this?

>>514656665 (OP)
Because 1, you'd use that money to hurt white people and 2, it wouldn't be just the rich.

>>514662067
Jews made gambling illegal in the U.S in order to promote trading in stocks. It's as ingrained burger culture as mutilating baby dicks and neither practise will ever end

>>514656665 (OP)
As if the criminals masquerading as "government" need more money to harm people with.

>>514663223
You can't print money, anon. You can print currency but that's not money.

>>514662696
Yes

>>514656665 (OP)
tax is robbery

>>514656665 (OP)
>why is this statement so controversial?
Because shitbrained animals will fight to the death to keep their pebbles. It is your life or theirs at that point. Guess which one I'm picking? My fucking life. I am not going to suck their balls because I hope to one day be a coin hoarder like them. Life is shit now because of their bulllshit, as in a kneegah cain't get a hole in the wall and has to shit in the same alley he eats at.

>>514665150
>That pic
As if any government intervention is shit.

>>514656665 (OP)
Because the top 1% in the UK already pay 25% of the income tax and the top 10% pay 60%. The problem is that it's never enough for the bottom feeders of society or the parasites in left-wing governments that enable them. They destroy wealth and growth and then when the country starts feeling the pinch more they think they need to tax the rich more. Gary Stevenson has been outed as a liar and when called out he literally pulled the "it's my truth" card.

>>514665888
>Gary Stevenson has been outed as a liar and when called out he literally pulled the "it's my truth" card.
explain

i dont support taxing rich people because i think wealth inequality is not a solvable problem

the wealth tax idea is a band-aid solution to a much deeper problem which is that the material and financial economies have diverged permanently. the guy you posted in the OP likes to explain the intricacies of the financial system and its injustices but he gets lost in the sauce imo because the financial system is a zero-sum game and it must eventually reckon with the physical reality that there is not enough stuff. this guy explains it well at this timestamp

https://youtu.be/5WPB2u8EzL8?t=2752

>>514656665 (OP)
>>tax the rich
>why is this statement so controversial?
how about we all pay the same flat tax. on everything. Because what you call a Federal Income Tax was illegal before after WW2. In WWI, the federal tax was only allowed to pay for ww1 and by law it was a blanket flat tax. It disappeared (by law) several years after WW1 was paid off. WW2 it comes back again. It just never went *away* and has turned into the federal income tax we know today. Unlike the law originally called for, its no longer a flat tax.

>>514656665 (OP)
>tax the rich
>to subsidize cheap foreign labor for the rich

>>514656665 (OP)
>why is this statement so controversial?
it's mostly controversial in the Burgersphere.
simply because "rich" is what everybody in the Burgersphere pretty much aspires to be.
"rich" translating into "number big" and "number bigger."
the average Burger is easily mesmerized by the width of a number (not necessarily the amount of digits, lmao... or if it's negative)
SIZE. DOES. MATTER.
then the average Burger sees xirself as a temporarily embarrassed rich person.
so taxing the rich RIGHT NOW would metaphysically translate into
NOW GET THIS
THIS IS THE CRUCIAL PART:
>hurting/damaging their future selves
cannot do this as a temporarily embarrassed rich person.

If you tax the rich the government has to force them to pay more money, it can do this no matter the excuses people have. BUT THE CORE is having politicians who have balls and proud boy equivalent pile of working poors sending pizzas to the rest of the cowards in the parliament or congress.

>>514656665 (OP)
>HELP THIS MUDSLIME IS KNIFE RAPING ME!!!
>yea okay but blame the rich not the migrant innit

>>514656665 (OP)
Who do you think owns the bot farms that repeatedly shill the idea that taxing rich people is bad? I wonder who it could be. Poor people perhaps? Hmmmmm, it’s a mystery to me.

>>514656665 (OP)
It's deliberately vague. When you're actually in government and not some meme activist you actually have to have a tax policy that's clear. What do you actually want to tax and why.

When they say "tax the rich" they never get into specifics, it's vague on purpose. What is rich? What is the specific thing you want taxed? Guys like Gary play games where he says he wants to tax assets and then when pressed on how specifics of he wants that done he starts talking about income.

The sad truth about taxes is that it's people in the middle who pay the most percentage wise. There is a point where if you're poor you can welfaremaxx, when you get into the 10s of millions in income level you can just pay people to set up all the various structures (trusts, holding companies, off shore accounts, etc) so that you minimise your tax bill.

What's never discussed? Simplifying the tax code to just a page. There is never a lobby to remove parts of the tax code. It's always people wanting to add more and more. More new taxes (that never get scrapped) and more exemptions on taxes.

>>514669063
If the fabric of society is all collapsing, people getting knifed and shit how is it that they are not knifed or beheaded or raped? Actually getting exponentially richer as your whole culture is dying or whatever, hows that?

>>514670047
>Simplifying the tax code to just a page.

Land value tax is simple. It would be fine to have exceptions so that citizens can own an above average property or two and pay no taxes on it. Whatever you might lose in revenue would be more than made up in bolstering the overall economy.

Given how much debt and credit and leverage is in the economy right now there might need to be something else, but LVT is a good start.

>>514656811
>you can't just tax them like
Except as that guy keeps pointing out.... Every god damn thing was better for the average working man decades ago when we has much different and so called harsh tax policies.
Oh tax break for rich... Tax break for rich again... And here we are with everything going to shit and people working full time but barely making rent...

>>514656665 (OP)
Because the rich are already taxed, so it's a statement that offers nothing new.

It's like saying, "Criminalize murder".

>>514670471
It's interesting to read the history on that, what was actually tried over the years. Did you know in the medieval era they used to tax the houses by square foot of the first floor? That's why you see those type of shapes where the floors above them were bigger. They also tried it another way by measuring the the width of windows, which led to buildings having narrow windows (styles you might recognise even to this day).

Something like a land tax is obviously harder to spoof (than accounting tricks) but I just thought it was interesting to learn that such things were already tried before.

I think something like square metres of land is probably the easiest to go with. Because I think if you go with value of property (i.e. things on it) then if someone actually develops the land (by building things on it) they now have a bigger tax bill, which I don't think you want. You just want something that's simple and affordable. The only thing I don't like is that it technically turns everyone into renters to the government.

>>514656665 (OP)
Laws aren't made for the rich, you silly bean. If any country taxes them, they move their assets to another country that doesn't, which hurts GPD line goes up etc. If every country does it at the same time (yeah, lol), they just buy their own country or buy the assassination of politicians until they get one who won't raise taxes, same thing really.

>>514671424
To fund medieval wars they tried some heinous shit, including just appropriating merchant vessels for transport.

>>514656665 (OP)
How about we tax the
>1pbtid

The rich should pay 100% of all taxes while everyone else shouldn't be taxed anything. Simple as.

>>514658814
the truth is also that 1% catagoricaly semantically definitionally makes 99% of the wealth

so the 1% paying 30 % instead of 99% is a real world problem (its not because we expect them to be abvsvolvute exemplar's of humans and raise society)


inbe4 well actually the 40% in the middle make more than the 1% no they dont though do they thats why its called the 1% isnt it

top 1% paying 30% of taxes instead of 99% is unironically fucking wild they shldnt because they are ultra overacheaver's and insane luxury is not the goal but ability to uplift everybody is

>>514671822
imagine we work on an apple farm and we make 100 apples

i own 99 apples and everybody else shares 1 apple

then i start saying hey hey but im paying 40 apples a year to the farm to buld a better future and your paying .00182 of an apple each....

unreal. unironically

then your deffence is

"we dont just count profit"
and your like you still have 99% of the shit my guy are you lost.

>>514656665 (OP)
lel this is the guy that says immigrants aren't the problem and that it's le rich, right? Sure, lets tax the rich more and continue to bring in millions of Africans and Indians who then suck up all that extra tax money in welfare while making the country objectively a worse place to live.

>>514672188
being left wing is popular he talks about his love of essentially comunist thinkers and i dont fault him for it

hes actually very realistic about the tax
ie its not something that is easy to do and its balanceing on a razorblade

but his core principle is extreemly sound that being if we burn society down around us "we" being the rich (im poor) then we do not have the tools to shape a future we want to live in

the tax at this point is bascially a church vs state distinction

>>514656665 (OP)
because cuckservatives buy into the idea that if they suck up to capital they'll be rewarded, and any reforms to their current benefit will come at their expense when they stop being a "temporarily-embarrassed millionaire down on their luck"

the amount of tax the rich pay at this moment is the absolute maximum and even one unit of value more will lead to total disaster and pandemonium. in fact only the poor people should pay taxes because they rely on public services while the rich can pay for it themselves. besides the rich already pay extra tax like bribes and campaign funds anyway so who is really undertaxed huh?!

>>514672188
immigration is absolutely destroying countries but its in service of ecenomic policy always has been all the other stuff is ancillary its an attempt to import growth as a function of an equation

but it has failed so profoundly that the (inevitable) collapse will happen after complete societal collapse lmfao

immigrants as people are not the problem (they may lead to non optimal outcomes) but the idea that is importing growth

any major company imports growth the entire entrainer model ie build a competitive brand to be acquired its the same thing

you buy the growth at a macro scale
the problem is immigration does not work at all but its a stop gap solution that nobody has any idea how to fix
we have had almost 10 year's of it and that single issue could lead to complete systemic collapse
never mind the myriad of problems it was employed to mask

>>514656665 (OP)
success is not a crime

>>514656665 (OP)
It's retarded. The rich pay the vast majority of taxes already.

>514662059
Fellow citizens? Are you fucking dumb? These people make their money simply by owning other people's debt. They literally do nothing. The definition of rich that Gary uses is someone with more than 10 million in investments. Maybe they worked fucking 30 years ago, or their dad did, but now they just sit around and acquire half a mil every year. Your fellow citizens are the ones the government actually IS raising taxes on to AVOID taxing these fucking parasites who are the ones who actually have all the money.

>>514673341
at some point it is...

thats the unfortunate truth

>>514673341
ahh yes the success of being born wealthy

>>514656665 (OP)
define rich. only once.

>>514656665 (OP)
>why is this statement so controversial?
Because you and me are the slaves. Tax the massas, no no no. Massa better than you and me.

>>514663223
OY VEY DIS GOY IS GONNA END OUWAH WHOLE WAY OF LIFE, SHUDDIT DOWN!!!

>>514673345
theres no reason they cant just pay all of it

>>514673665
unironically this is fucked but true
realistically they shld

>Sure, what will the government spend the money on? Schools? Improving social programs?
>weapons for Israel and propaganda campaigns to personally make your life more gay and lame
>oh...okay...

>>514656665 (OP)
make a flat tax rate that there are NO loop holes for paying, no charity, no BS, no bribes, just pay what you owe.
that's how you fix that.
but for your information most of the taxes come from corporations, not private individuals.
so just tax corporations into bankruptcy.
zero fucks to give sir

>>514666582
this
taxing rich wealth tied up in stocks are already attached to the laypeoples retirement and 401k and their simple inestments.
the rich just hold a majority share.

the real problem is that theres to much reliance on the stock market and its vastly overshadowing the material economy.

solutions would be killing off alot of the population to reduce load on dwindlwing resources.
offer 50k to designated beneficieries to wiillingly euthanize yourself.
or die for israel.

put all resources on a sliding scale.
if you're rich you should pay more for a cheeseburger or a home.
and make other material goods prohibited to only certain sectors.
only military and businesses should be allowed to have computers.
only developers and landlords should be allowed to buy stuff like steel and wood.

the financial economy has become so dependant to that gross mishaps that leads to many hurt and injured only need to pay out a settlement. when in reality if you mishandle resources or fuck up the population or the land
you should be summarily executed.

>>514673843
flat tax
you employ 1k people
your basically a public company that makes profit.....

its not a thing


you thought tax the rich was hard
a flat tax is crazy

unironically this is why we made brakets and expenses ect

>>514656665 (OP)
Let me tell you what happens when you beg the government to "tax the rich".
The government says "OK!" and increase taxes on the poor while the rich continue to pay nothing.
When you say "but it was supposed to just be the rich!" they say "You asked for more taxes and you got it".

Why?
Because the government IS rich and the rich are their friends and this will always be true.

The only way to stop the rich from using the government to increase their power is to reduce the power of government itself and in order to do that you must reduce taxes, it is the only way.

If you don't know this by now you're not worth listening to or conversing with.

its clear that the world is quickly running out of mercy.
we are in the age were the merciless are coming out on top.

>>514656665 (OP)
I have no idea why. The best way to interpret this is simply to say that tariffs and taxing the rich to the level where it's not cost effective to be a tax evader is the best guarantee that corporate profits will be put into worker pay or reinvestment, and not spent on trying to break the will of tax auditors. POS Congressmen aren't doing their part to close down the loopholes though. They need to get hopping on shutting down deferrals by investing overseas and by restoring laws like Glass-Steagall.

Next time you wonder why you live a life of indentured servitude, ask your bank why your savings account just goes to the stockholders.

>>514656665 (OP)
Because it's communism.

>>514656665 (OP)
>>tax the rich
>why is this statement so controversial?
they figured out how to tax the middle class by calling it 'tariffs', so the rich can have more tax cuts

>>514674126
everyone should pay something even if it's purely symbolic

>>514674399
paint your door lol

>>514673345
>>514673665

Because consumers effectively 100% of taxes.

Anyone in economics who resells, adds cost to the price, recoups investment. So the buy is indirectly paying for the cost, which includes taxes.

The only person who doesn't recoup the cost is the consumer... you buy a pie, you eat it, it's gone. Whatever you paid for is pays for the whole party, all the sum of taxes and salaries that took place, from the flour, transportation of ingredients, manufacturing, marketing, commercial business costs, import tariffs, lawsuits, fines, regulation costs... all of it MUST be paid by the pie consumer, or else there's no more pie.

>>514674442
i have no clue what that means but rich people need to pay to and their corporations should be put up on the altar to be offered to their god of greed

>>514666582
>i dont support taxing rich people because i think wealth inequality is not a solvable problem
high marginal tax rates are useful as a check on economic royalism, where the wealthy just buy politicians, as it is now, Henry George had some good ideas about it, but is now forgotten

>>514674665
Nonsense, taxes increase the power of the state so the wealthy can weild even more power when buying off politicians and use the government to destroy their competition.

https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2025/09/02/julgamento-de-bolsonaro-no-stf-alexandre-de-moraes-le-relatorio.ghtml

His TRIAL is TODAY. If sentenced, he gets 40+ years in prison.

>>514673209

>>514674889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT9pjCnIA-c&list=RDCLAK5uy_nhf3h98yS3LCk_bVNQu6GjWG7ARvMaiFQ&index=2&ab_channel=Tinashe

kek why is it hard to just be nice

It's extremely antisemetic

It is not controversial, just an ignorant ideological statement used to divide and conquer the masses. The rich do have a personal income to tax, nor do they own any assets on paper. All of their income is paid to their LLCs, all of their assets are purchased via their LLCs, and all of it is held in Trusts that they control.

Your income tax goes to paying down the national debt, it does not directly fund anything. It is designed and used as a means of controlling inflation. And as part of the central bankers ponzi scheme.

>>514656665 (OP)
Because the rich don't notice the tax.
If you relieve poor people's tax burden, they will notice it.