Thread 514705609

wtf is trump even doing?

>>514705609 (OP)
i don't know what these funny numbers mean
explain it to like im dumb

>>514705687
Explain it to me too

>>514705609 (OP)
The numbers are green though. Green is good.

>>514705687
>>514705709
long term borrowing getting more expensive for the fed niggers.
that's it.

>>514705709
>>514705687
5% interest per year if you lend your money to the jewSA for 30 years

>>514705763
Green is my favorite flavor of crayon

>>514705687
>>514705709
When you drive your car and see a red light, what do you do? You STOP! But green light means you can drive again and be on your way, so green = good and red = cucked. In this case it has something to do with money

>>514705687
rising interest rate means, nobody is willing to borrow money to the goberment

>>514705687
>>514705709
US loans money from its people with a promise to pay it back (with interest) over a set time, in this case its 30 years.

>>514705609 (OP)
End the Fed
/thread

>>514705609 (OP)
There is nothing to do.
Its a function that is deterministic
Population and productivitiy growth expectation negative, risk increases on uncovered debt that non existing children were supposed to pay.
Its Lastenausgleich time
if you became "rich" during the last grand cycle you are now going to be expropriated

never play historical V of Vs

It means: buy Treasury bonds, of any maturity,

>>514706185
this anon gets it
the kikes continue to devalue the currency
less private sector investment
stagflation incoming
petrodollar is going bye bye
stablecoins wont save you
the US will continue its decline

>>514705687

it means the US government cannot pay for it's federal budget with printed money anymore and will have to cut millions of jobs and a significant portion of the federal budget

>>514706458
Actually stablecoins may save the usa, because it would mean the usd bond market is the only bond market that survives yield curve control.

>>514705609 (OP)
Destroying the US, because he, Miran, and Lutnick have quack ideas about how the economy works that are wrong and we see how wrong they are with every economic indicator.

The 10 year is more important dummy

>>514706499
Cutting spending won't do shit interest on the debt will keep going up, Trump is right and Musk is wrong on this thing, usa will be forced to do Roosveltianism or Peronism, to reduce debt to gdp rate.

>>514706499
That's what they should do but no elected official will ever hold the bag, that's why it's only going to keep getting worse until sudden and utter collapse hits.

>>514706250
It's not the 'real yield'. That would need to be corrected for inflation. Current annual CPI is 2.7%, making the real yield 1.05 / 1.027 = 2.2%. A joke.

>>514706458
yep all that there is to do is just accept living with less now and even less in the future.

if your lifestyle costs, then you will be in pain. if you just work hard and create, you'll be fine (spend most of your time building, not consuming)

>>514706611
Cutting spending will make things worse, because most of the spending is interest on the debt already paid, so cutting spending will reduce economic growth, less taxation and interest will keep growing up.

Only path out is inflating the debt away, most countries do it by inflating against the usd, but since the usd is the reserve currency status shit is more complicated, even worse with a hot war in europe and 50 years of deindustrialization since bretton woods fell.

This is why the usa went from sending the secret service against crypto to becoming pro crypto, they will need to inflate the usd relative to other thing btc & gold and save their bond market in the process (ethereum stablecoins).

>>514706546
>dude free trade
Hahaha. No wonder why you lost

>>514706732
>on the debt already paid
*already existing

>>514706781
Free trade works but the usa is enduring the triffin dilemma since 1971, not adopting the bancor global currency for inter nation trade in 1945 is the biggest mistake the western world ever did in it's history.

In 5 years, the national debt will climb from $37T to $50T, with interest on that debt requiring half of all tax revenue.

This is a country moving quickly toward bankruptcy.
We have to pay a higher yield to get people to buy our bonds to roll over that debt.

This was always inevitable.

>>514706977
>This was always inevitable.

It was not, this happened before, from 1940 to late 1950s usa debt to gdp rate went down from 130% to 35%, Argentina debt to gdp rate went from 135% to 40% from 2001-2013

The big problem is that to survive a cycle of that type you need

1_Low food prices even if you need to do price controls or rationing
2_Low energy prices even if you need to do price controls or rationing
3_Low tax enforcement so companies reinvest
4_Closing the export of critical goods
5_inflation rates higher than the debt interest
6_Higher wages in nominal terms but up and down in real purchasing power relative to internal goods
7_A secondary saving currency (gold, btc or usd as was for argentina 2001-2013) so internal prices are inflated relative to that currency.

The big problem with the usa is that republicans would inflate the nominal numbers but not wages, and democrats would inflate everything and wages but criminalize saving in foreign currency, crypto or gold, and never update tax rates relative to inflation so income tax would start at the level of a mc donalds combo after a few years of yield curve control.

So usa is ready economically but not politically for this.

>>514706781
The lolberts are winning in the end, as Trump is wrecking the economy in the exact ways they predicted these kinds of policies would. They have have no spine when a Republican is in the White House, but that's a different story.

The bow-tied autists deserve an apology.

>>514706611

yes, probably, i expect the us to split east/west because water trade routes are what really matter in the modern world

>>514706595

unless you invert the budget and start paying it down - either way the federal government budget is insolvent which is the real point because the only thing that will free the american people from the international influence beit jews or other is that we stop being world police

>>514707278
>It was not, this happened before, from 1940 to late 1950s

that was when the industry was fresh and new and there was lots of stuff to be built and the people were smarter and they worked harder and longer and more dangerously, etc, etc, etc... you read like an idiot day trader/bitcoin retard

>>514707329
You yanks are too dramatic, the worse for the usa is no longer possible, the end of Hillary and Mnuchin anti crypto era that would have left open the path for a cbdc and democrat slave state is over.

Your country has more endurance than what you people believe but yeah you are not ready politically for what will happen.

It's a fucking shame beacuse after trump became pro crypto he became right on 75% of things, sadly he is a mercantilistic at heart and does not understand why he is right and worse Musk fell for the Milei demonic spell and believes cutting spending will actually help when most spending is interest on previous debt.

>>514705687
you loan the US govt money as an investment. after 30 years you get the money back but with 5% more (give $100 get $105 back). the higher percentage means investors are less willing to invest in the US govt because they think it's risky or not worthwhile (so rates are raised to attract investors)

>>514707426
>unless you invert the budget and start paying it down - either way the federal government budget is insolvent which is the real point because the only thing that will free the american people from the international influence beit jews or other is that we stop being world police

This happened before check debt to gdp ratio of your country.

>that was when the industry was fresh and new and there was lots of stuff to be built and the people were smarter and they worked harder and longer and more dangerously, etc, etc, etc... you read like an idiot day trader/bitcoin retard

You are getting it wrong, you became an industrial powerhouse because you were becoming too poor with the previous farm economy just like the current service economy is making you poor again as for crypto, crypto solved bretton woods which is the most critical moment of the western civilization that emerged from the dark ages.

Sadly we choose the wrong path since the british faggot keynes was right on the bancor supranational currency.

Deindustrialization of the west happened because we switched in 1971 to floating fiat currencies all devaluating against each other and physical goods.

The usd/eur rate can be the same for a decade but they are inflating relative to real goods, so any autocratic nation like china in this system has a ridiculous advantage since they can deflate energy prices there and have better industrial prices relative to everyone else.

While before global trade was based on balance of payments and not trade deficits.

>>514705609 (OP)
why would you trust that a 30 year bond is safe in zogmerica? everything is teetering on collapse, a lottery ticket is safer than a bond in a failing state

>>514706660
>Current annual CPI is 2.7%
lol

>>514707838
basically by buying a 30 year bond you're gambling that the US will somehow ignore its out of control debt and slavery to israel and somehow become rich in doing so

>>514706703
no. there are ways to play deflation. they are contra indicative at first but the best play for now is
drum role

buy those 30 years

>>514707567
>they worked harder and longer and more dangerously,
bullshit. productivity was lower. the greatest communist geberation was just the first in the pyramid scheme

they are even more guilty for the scam than the boomers.

>>514705609 (OP)
He's selling bonds to crypto bros who issue USDstablecoins

So the crypto bros make 5% off you goys while also making transaction fees in-between people and banks

>>514705609 (OP)
historical all thime highs? it was like -10% for the past decade, and liek 5% after 10 years? fuck that.

>>514705803
Imagine investing in the government.

>>514705687
It's OK; OP doesn't know either.

>>514706660
maybe for your gay little alpine outpost, but here in AMERICA we give the government our money, and if they asked for our homes and daughters we'd hand them over without protestation. That's why we project power across the entire globe and you are a backwater Roman outpost that will be forgotten in 1000 years.

It should be trading at 9-10%. Who the fuck lends money to govt for 30Y at 5% when they are spending 1 Trillion on defense every year and billions on gibs

>>514709177
There is no way they will allow deflation.
It hurts the asset owning class too much, clearly they will hyperinflate instead

>>514710333
Because people still like the US and think it's a stable place, as much as Trump is trying to turn the place into Argentina Norte.

>>514710458
>Because people still like the US and think it's a stable place, as much as Trump is trying to turn the place into Argentina Norte.

He is literally installing all his loyalists on Fed, fired the head of BLS so he can print fake inflation and job numbers and will 100% force new Fed chair to cut rates even if inflation rises.

WTF are you talking about "stable place"

>>514710333
If you want to play the game you need to buy this shit.

Banks bought them at 1% and went bankrupt in the lead up to covid-19

Now stablecoins need to buy them or they get a dicked in the ass by Uncle Sam.

Nobody normal is buying them.
People buy them for favors whether banking or trade or whatever.

>>514710561
I'm explaining why it's not higher, when it probably should. People trust (perhaps wrongly) that America is having a temporary spergout. With that said, the best thing for the economy would be for Trump to drop dead, the sooner the better as he's now floating export taxes and we've seen a decline in manufacturing activity every month since the tariffs started.

>>514707612
Why would anyone loan Money to anyone for 30 years at 5% unless your getting payed 5% every year

>>514705779
>that's it.
thats how you keep your country running bablo,

>>514711447
you get paid 5% every year but that money is locked with US govt for 30 years.

>>514705609 (OP)
Hopefully we see 10 % soon.

>>514705973
What if the government just prints more money and borrows from itself?

>>514711447
It's like a 30 year mortgage at 5% interest except the government is taking out that mortgage.

>>514711737
Oh well that doesn't seem that bad
Are treasury bonds state tax exempt?

>>514705609 (OP)
I can't think of a single instance where loaning someone money for 30 years is a good idea. Maybe if they promise to quintuple my money when they give it back, but 5%?? Lmao most people with enough money for 5% to be a significant amount will be dead before 30 years is up.

>>514712109
try to make 5% in the stock market and see what happens

>>514711954
So just to be clear because I’m a no finance
You get payed out 5% a year for 30 years and is it state tax exempt

>>514711133
Vance has been infested with some Twitter brain worms, but he's also a chameleon that could pivot to basic bitch neolib policies that would nonetheless be better for most people. Or tone down the stupid ideas Trump has floated and implemented like tariffs on raw materials as though that makes American industry competitive.

>>514711880
If you print enough dollars to repay your debt, the value of dollar will crash, the value of dollar denominated securities will crash, half the countries on the planet lose their reserves, global trade crashes, the world will enter in the worst recession it has ever seen, and US reputation is utterly ruined.

>>514712147
Explain

>>514712262
>If you print enough dollars to repay your debt, the value of dollar will crash, the value of dollar denominated securities will crash, half the countries on the planet lose their reserves, global trade crashes, the world will enter in the worst recession it has ever seen, and US reputation is utterly ruined.

Most mutts believe in tales like "Manifest destiny" or some shit. Truth is America got lucky after WW2 as it was only country with no damage and rest of Asia was just free of British imperialism.

If a global reset happens right now. America will lose badly. Asian economies like China, SK will soar...and America's share of World GDP will collapse.


Also Asians are homogenous societies so they can handle hardship better. Imagine what happens if America has to go through similar hardships. Looting and mass raping.

>>514705609 (OP)
I see green so it looks good to me

>>514712292
making guaranteed money at 5% a year is very difficult

>>514712262
I'm dumbfounded the US economy is now in the hands of Peronist retards.

>>514712205
Yes, you give $1000 to the us gov and the us gov gives you $50 each year for 30 years and then it gives you back the $1000 at the end.
However, the question one must ask:
>if inflation is 7% or more, what's the point of borrowing the us gov for 5% per year, when I could simply get physical money (silver and gold) which are inflation resistant, meaning it's guaranteed they'll go up at the same pace as the inflation
Scenario 1 (us gov bonds)
>1000 + 50 * 30 = 2500
Scenario 2 (physical money)
>1000 * (1.07^30) = 7612
So, unless the bonds give higher return than the inflation, you're actually losing purchasing power by funding a government, instead of just keeping some golden/silvery rock.

>>514712896
but it's hard to sell rocks, especially silver
t. tried selling 10oz of silver at a local "gold and silver" place and all they wanted to give me was $70 when spot was 39

>>514713972
This is a lying shill (kike or hired by kikes).

>>514706977
Inevitable maybe, but happening sooner because other countries don't want to hold our debt in their central banks because we politicized the dollar with sanctions and now tariffs

>>514705609 (OP)
I’m an appraiser, I only make money when people buy houses and refinance, I started doing this in 2010 doing a side job rescuing abandoned animals from foreclosed homes

Trump is unironically ruining my life.

>>514714080
cope faggot
unless you live in a big city, other than selling it online, it's hard to offload silver... people in this industry are notorious crooks

>>514713972
I’m also certified to appraise property and old jewelry is always a better haul than bars hands down at shops, better resale in the piece whole to walk-ins. No serious buyer/seller is trading metal from husseins silver, gold, check cashing, key maker, and dry cleaners

Does this really mean anything?

>>514705609 (OP)
All of this is resultant from the cost of importing poor browns into England, France, and the US. Investing in government securities is more risky when the budgets are blown out by welfare given to non-citizens and nations fall into debt
This has been in the works for decades, Perot addressed it in his campaign in the 90s and Trump began the fix by sending the beans home and cutting foriegn aid for nigger-faggots.

>>514705609 (OP)
wtf are we gonna do with all this debt????

>>514711133
>the economy will improve if we go back to borrowing to pay for the trade deficit.
Shalom

just crashing the US economy
migapedos will cheer for it too

What does this mean? I'm not a boomer.

this will explain everything
https://www.youtube.com/live/Z4jg3l578Ic
storm is here

>>514712580
With one instrument perhaps; it's not that hard with good risk management and close attention.
5% isn't bad for burying it in a hole for 30 years and theres always the secondary market if you need to cash out early.

>>514707325
The correct solution is to end the fed, and paying interest on your own fucking debt to jews ceases to be an issue.

>>514714432
Everyone else has tariffs. The idea the US should be raped of its industrial capacity to protect an expensive dollar is retarded.

>>514705609 (OP)
>wtf is trump even doing?

>>514705973
Basically this. Investors loaning money to the US gov’t are demanding higher interest rates (bigger returns on their loans) because theyre expecting inflation to lower their gains.

>>514715991
These are very angry spiritual jews their dropshipping scam doesn't work anymore.

>>514715991
The US isn't being screwed by importing coffee from Brazil and Vietnam or lumber from Canada. American manufacturing isn't being screwed if it's getting ore from Chile.

Trump is wrong , and that's why manufacturing activity has declined since he took office. The BBB and Doge increased the deficit to record highs. MAGA absolutely fucking sucks on the economy in a way that makes neoliberalism look good.

>>514705687
>i don't know what these funny numbers mean

Americans have to pay more when they roll over (refinance) their debt. All signs point to America having a massive public and private debt crisis within 10 years.

>>514716621
how much of the webm is real?

>>514716638
Investors aren't demanding anything. They simply don't buy the bonds if the price is not right, so the US regime keeps offering more and more.

>>514705687
US (UK, France, and Japan also) are spiralling towards a sovereign debt crisis

this means interest rates rise so it gets harder to finance existing debt interest payments and printing more money results in higher debt meaning more interest payments so there's literally nothing they can do to get out of it except austerity - meaning no more healthcare, pensions, etc.

This might actually increase demand in the USD though, because it's the main currency everyone finances their debts in, and that could cause hyperdeflation in the US, so prices will fall through the floor.

What it means is basically the entire social welfare net in the west falls apart, there are no jobs for anyone, anywhere, immigrant or not, if you have any debt or mortgage it might skyrocket. Every company and industry you can think of would be insolvent overnight. It'd be a worldwide economic depression and the least affected economies would be the ones most disconnected from the current economic web (so, pretty much just russia)

>>514712262
>If you print enough dollars to repay your debt, the value of dollar will crash

Reducing the dollars value vs other currencies by 50% is one of Bessent's (Trumps finance minister) goals. If you buy a 30 year usgov bond at 5% you are gambling on him failing.

>>514716734
The US is actually being screwed, because that dependence on foreign nations and resources chips away on the independence of the American people.

Guys like you don't get it, because you're bugmen. To you, everyone around you is a replaceable cog in a machine, an ant in the hive. The rest of us don't want our nations and people to be like that, and don't plan for it to go that way. I hope very dearly you get kicked out, citizenship revoked, and thrown to your precious guatamalans and pakistanis like you deserve.

>>514716734
China is going to achieve naval supremacy in the near future. That means China can enforce international economic sanctions against the US. Strategically important supply chains should be under full US control for that case, meaning the US should produce iron ore and lumber and all that on the own territory.