Thread 514737489

I'm rather conflicted on the issue of the EU. In theory, I'm not against it, but it needs major reforms. In a European continent that was still European and vaguely proud of itself, I'd have no problem with the free travel zones. I'd have no issue with a German coming here to work, or me being able to go there and work. In theory, it could have been an interesting experiment.

In practice, what we get is pseudo-socialism, crackdowns on speech and infinity Bomalians. Shame, really. I'm not a hard Eurosceptic because I still think the institution can be reformed if we just get /ourguys/ in charge.

>>514737489 (OP)
I don't see why you'd need a federal government for all of Europe in order to establish free travel

>>514737807
We're not niggers, so we can actually allow semi-open travel between countries without it all going to shit.

>>514738091
Yeah I'd hope so, but I don't see why the EU is actually necessary in order to do that

>>514737807
I suppose you could establish it nation-by-nation, but that's kind of cumbersome. On paper, the idea of the EU passport is great, but of course it hinges on a high trust society not filled to the brim with Somalians and communists.

>>514737489 (OP)
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>>514737489 (OP)
yes but there are no cheap resources anymore and cheap workforce in third word countries. You can reorganize the society as much as you want, but if you shuffle poorfucks in either way it will still suck

I like how the trad vgh dream of Europe for like 1,500 years was reestablishing the Roman Empire, and then as soon as they finally achieve it they immediately use it as a vehicle to fill Europe with niggers, Arabs, and homosexuality

>>514738246
>that's kind of cumbersome
Why would it be more so than with the EU?
BTW the government of a European country could actually just establish itself as a free travel zone unilaterally without consulting anyone or anything else

>>514737489 (OP)
it's literally over for europe

>>514737489 (OP)
EU is in concept a controller. A mechanism that works like a royal family. It dictates everything. And exactly that leads to not unified countries. Logically. I want the EG back. The rest of the EU might know it as EC (European community). Before that we had the EWG (European economic community). EG was the same with some additions. Sadly, we didn't know that these additions led us to the EU. A defacto corporation, dictating culture and history, too.

>>514737807
Division is weakness, unity is strength. Gtfo with your gaslighting, muttlord.

>>514739547
Oh I should add: I want the EC (german: EG) back WITHOUT leading to EU. It sounds weird writing I want the EC back and, in the same sentence, that EC makes me. sad because it leads to the EU.

I think the eu is fine but the problems just got worse when it intervened to much in global affairs, especially by talks of war and the immigration programs.
So the eu is fine if they could solve that i think it would be nearly perfect, as unity is what europe needs so we don't get more brother wars, at least between us.

>>514739662
Do you think the EU has made you or your government stronger?
If so why do you think that couldn't be accomplished without the EU or a similar organization?

>>514738236
it's not, I agree with you.

>>514737489 (OP)
>it needs mayor reform

holy shit, are you gay?

Once proud nations that made the history of the world for millennia, reduced to immigrant cumdumpster in less than 30 years

depend on america for defense, depend on russia for energy, depend on china for trade.

It is a managed decline, failed continent in full concretized anocracy living on the coattails of riches made by a system of beliefs they have insult to give themselves a tone.
Is governed bya severed tenctacle of globalists who make the interest of democratic party of america and thus globalist jews while chewing in their mouth the word europe.
the entire leader class is objectively worse at their job, by any metric, compared to any dictators they insult. the parliament thinks that safetism laws are not evidence of rotting failure

I have never seen a corpse sperg so much hubris

>>514737489 (OP)
>The EU in theory
Picrel.

>>514739547
>EU is in concept a controller
Maybe it is, but so are all governments. That's why they often need to be removed from power, forcefully in a lot of historical cases. All governments inherently seek to increase their own power.

But if we could go back to the EEC or some kind of bloc, I think it'd be ideal.

>>514737489 (OP)
>I'm not a hard Eurosceptic because I still think the institution can be reformed if we just get /ourguys/ in charge.
I hear what you are saying and commend the optimism, but what you are missing is there are no political solutions. By design all the EU will ever be are unelected bureaucrats that control europe. Creating policies that no wants or ever asked for. That's all it will ever be. Up to this point it's been an unmitigated disaster.

>>514737489 (OP)
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>>514738769
And this is the number after being doctored as much as humanly possible, I wonder how it would look if you simply took the number of people that have a job and subtracted it from the total adult population. I suspect the majority is unemployed

>>514741772
The libertarian in me realises that you're probably right. It kind of is just optimistic thinking. Governments will inevitably grow their own power unless they fear the population. Constitutions can be temporary firewalls, like the US one, but they're just pieces of paper in the end.