Thread 514788578

Elon doesn't get it, Low TFR/Birth Rates have to do with 18 magical age theory/Child Labor Laws

18 magical age theory is a religion, questioning it will immediately get its proponents including the most die-hard alleged atheists to start calling you an 'evil satanist who deserves to die'. It's the same exact pattern of behavior a Muslim engages in when you insult Muhammad.

Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations notes the profitability of children from the perspective of parents. British Bachelors would go to the American colonies to seek out widowed women with children in order to profit off the child labor. This is Capitalism 1.0. 18 Magical Age Theory/Child Labor Laws wiped out the profit motive for children. You must understand the historical context. There was no formal age of majority for most of history, you were simply considered an adult at puberty & you were married as a teenager. In Ancient Egypt/Babylon you were adult somewhere between 13-15 depending upon physical characteristics. Persians implemented 15 as the formal age of majority in the middle east. Sharia also defines 15 as the age of majority, 15 was the Ottoman Majority Age.

If you want birth rates to go up, you need to return the profit motive for children by reducing child labor laws. The fall in the birth rate especially in recent decades has to do with more aggressive enforcement of 18 magical age theory. Previously, child labor laws were less enforced. Up until the early 1970s, the age of majority was generally 21, but it wasn't aggressively enforced as lying teenagers could assume liability for contracts including marriage & military service, they lying teenagers weren't considered grooming victims, they were simply considered emancipated adults.

Ironically enough Elon became a 'conservative' to enforce 18 magical age theory to counter his trans son. Elon bought Twitter the same week his son turned 18 & filed paperwork to transition, but for TFR to be fixed, adulthood age needs a reduction

>>514788578 (OP)
Blame women!
>Don't like being in a couple you can be a single mom but you choose to stay childless.
Toxic culture:
Biden
>No serious guys until menopause
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YyM8QMOeyic

>>514788578 (OP)
Lol what a load of bullshit. You're saying it was 15 in the mid-east, so it's 18 now, a difference of a mere three years. That's nothing, who fucking cares? And you know just like i do that a lotta guys don't go to college immediately after 9th grade and choose to work instead, when they're 16/17. Your argument is not just flawed, it's totally wrong. Also, a lotta people just work now, they don't have any farms to look after, so kids aren't needed and single mithers are an evil scourge that must be eradicated.

>>514788578 (OP)
>Elon doesn't get it, Low TFR/Birth Rates have to do with 18 magical age theory/Child Labor Laws
No, it has to do with women having rights. Strip them of their rights and make women property again and birth rates will return to normal.

>>514789257
This. Repel divorce laws and outlaw abortion and the pill.
It is that simple.

>>514789153
>>514789257

The point of OP is to bring up the child labor law question. The Majority Age was brought to show how historically frivolous age 18 is.

Women have always been the architects of human sexual selection. See Darwin's book, the Descent of Man. Darwin also condemns the existence of vaccines for keeping people artificially alive. Pedophilia Conspiracy theories are a subset of Feminist Sex Trafficking conspiracy theories. These Conspiracy Theories have to do with the rationalization of female prostitution & putting the blame on men. Historically, pre-feminism, prostitutes that said they were victims of trafficking/grooming conspiracy theories were laughed at. Teen prostiutes were common in the 1800s & they were just charged as adults for their crimes. 1800s anti-suffragists said that women were too immoral for suffrage based on prostitution, so feminists came up with sex trafficking conspiracy theories were evil men were master conspirators.

Pre-Feminism/Pedophilia Conspiracy Theories, Men would get child custody by default & would receive favorable divorcement/harassment judgements. It all goes back to the evil oppressive male narrative that these social dynamics changed, the hiking of the age of consent was part of that social change. Unless you are willing to go all the way, you won't beat feminism. Faux Conservatives like you love your feminist age of consent theories, so you lose.

>>514789387
Incorrect, abortion/infanticide were historically commonplace. Pope Sixtus IV in the 1400s a commissioned a series of frescoes for the drowned infants of the Tiber River. There was historically a greater stigma against out of wedlock birth than against abortion/infanticide. Real Conservatism is Honor Culture/Honor Killing. Life at Conception doctrine was adopted during the Vatican 1 era where Pius IX also recognized the legitimacy of the secular liberal state. Previously Christianity was underpinned by hierarchy & order & only divinely anoined kings of the correct bloodline had the right to rule. Royals engaged in inbreeding in order to keep their military conqueror bloodlines in tact.

ok

>>514789387
not so simple

No, it has to do with the fact that in most first world countries supporting a family requires both parents spending 40+ hours a week at work. This is peak lolberg retardation.

>>514793692
Again, read the OP, Child Labor made children profitable for families, banning child labor made children unprofitable. Your 18 magical age religion is clouding your ability to be objective, so you resort to 'lolbert' insults.

If you are interested in jeetlon, listen to his adrian dittman streams. A few months ago he admitted that people CANNOT have kids because everyone is overworked and underpaid. He said the average guy works, comes home and plays vidya, then crashes. No time or energy for a family. Elon is totally full of shit, all his "friends" are mossad agents. It's some kind of Jewish black pill theater

>>514788578 (OP)
OP is literally a jew wanting to mutilate ("trans") children at younger ages to then molest them.

>>514788578 (OP)
Kys pedo

>>514793692
>>514793910
it can be both
women have no use beyond a wife and mother and should fill said role at the earliest reasonable opportunity
but having children doesnt matter if theyre abandoned by their parents so they can wage all day. Such children grow to be niggers regardless of their lineage

>>514794226
>>514794121

You 2 are behaving like Muslims when you question Muhammad. 'How dare you question Muhammad, you deserve to die'.

18 magical age theory is your religion, 'How dare you question my age 18 religion, you deserve to die'.

Objectively gender is biological the same way adulthood is biological. A chimp becomes an adult when it crosses puberty, that's how adulthood was determined for most of human history as well.

But yes, the ultimate irony here is that the more & more Elon tries to enforce 18 magical age theory to oppose his trans son, the more & more he lowers the birth rate. Elon's trans son has the correct instincts. Back in the day, LGBTs were given a choice between stoning or exile. If they accepted Exile, they'd join their lgbt/third gender leper colony style commune groups.

>>514788578 (OP)
This is entirely women's fault. They want careers and independence not families. That's literally all there is to it.

The real solution is to make family formation attractive to women. That's the only thing that will reverse this trend. Money, social status and power needs to be ascribed to mothers and families. Taxation, shame and subservience to singlehood. "The sexual revolution" reversed.

>>514794537
>18 magical age theory is your religion
sounds more like it is yours. the fertility decline doesn't have a single simple answer. If it did, I think the closest one would be "animals don't breed in captivity"

>>514794823
>The real solution is to make family formation attractive to women.
I also think this is a huge part of it

>>514794823
>The real solution is to make family formation attractive to women
women reverted legal property of their father and then their husbands. boom solved

>>514788578 (OP)
I feel like desire for the nubile comes from a trauma related to missing teenage sexual milestones as a child. Most millenial boys had sex at 15-17 which is where most of you seem to be stuck.

I don't care about the birth rates, I just want these "capitalists" to die

>>514794835
Correct, because child labor laws & anti-grooming theory turn humans into domesticated animals. Older Humans were Wild Animals that followed biological principles & subscribed to law of the jungle. Follow your instincts to determine biological adulthood, not zookeeper rules

>>514795390
humans became domesticated animals after agriculture was used as justification for enslaving all the free hunter-gatherers and putting them on plantations to labor for feeble urbanites

>>514795065
>>514794823

Women always had some form of legal rights, as did children. Disobedient women/children were disowned & would become emancipated at that point. You obsess over the dregs of society, teenage prostitutes with your stupid anti-grooming theory. Teen prostitutes were commonplace in the 1800s & they were simply treated like emancipated adults & had the book thrown at them. If you orient a society around protecting whores, which is what 18 magical age theory does, your society accordingly is going to be filled with whores. Anti-Grooming Theory/Sex Trafficking Theory absolves whores of accountability which gives whores the opportunity to be bigger whores.

>>514795612
Humans only became fully domesticated very recently. Under the old legal precedent that existed until the 1970s, teens that lied about their age would be liable for adult contracts despite the age of majority being nominally higher at 21. No one cared about teens that lied to join the military or get married, they were just classified as emancipated adults at that point.

>>514788578 (OP)
You chuds can't get a girlfriend your own age which means you can't pull a girlfriend underage either. It's a looks/rizz thing retards, if you ain't got it you never will.

>>514788578 (OP)
Wtf is up with the worlds obsession with elon?

The guy is an unremarkable midwit, all his all his opinions are objectly shit

ONLY HYPERCAPITALISM CAN SAVE YOU
WE MUST REMOVE ALL BRAKES
ACCELERATE!!!

>>514788578 (OP)
We already know the solution to low birthrates. Does anyone have the balls to do what's necessary to fix it before we're destroyed and humanity enters another dark age?

>>514788578 (OP)
Elon loves to bitch about birth rates but never wants to admit the problem: birth control and female liberation

>>514788578 (OP)
What are you talking about he supported Zion Don and that guy has raped thousands of little kids?

>>514788578 (OP)
Peetah can't play both sides with his moral alarmism forever if that's truly his goal
>>514795390
If you want the magical age people to squirm and show leniency, then bring up Ukraine-style compulsory youth drafts, argue that they view sending children off to war as genuinely healthy

>>514788578 (OP)
We pay broke shitskins to have children. Anyone wanting to be slightly better than broke feels like they can’t afford to have children. It’s entirely a problem of (((government policy))).

>>514796781
>>514796919

18 magical age theory gives people liberation, but there have always been liberated women in the form of disowned women that were basically emancipated at that point, similar to emancipated youths. Reactionaries are incorrect to talk about historical utopias where no women had any rights, they're also incorrect about abortion. Pope Sixtus IV in the 1400s a commissioned a series of frescoes for drowned infants in the Tiber River. There was a greater stigma against out of wedlock birth than against abortion/infanticide under old conservative honor culture. Honor Killing Women & Bastard Children were commonplace.

>>514795232
>desire for the nubile
Idk, I just have enough from women my age. Having the direct comparison how dating was 10 years ago compared to now, I rather would have the women from back then.
Whatever this is right now, it is better to stay single.

>>514796919
nobody is more feminist than kikes and jews have children. governments create incentives/disincentives for all sorts of behavior and birth rates are no different.

>>514797643
Give freedom to someone who doesn't know it, and they will believe they are above all laws

>>514788578 (OP)
Elon Musk is jeet loving scum who is personally responsible for destroying a once decent living for American workers. Fuck him. Revoke his citizenship and deported him back to SA

>>514796781
Educating women turns them into State-malleable neurotic bitches with the added bonus that they can rationalize their irrationality and emotions. Combine that with women's rights and suffrage and a relatively high age of consent and you have the scourge known as 'modern woman'.
And by modern, I mean Industrial Age/post-Enlightenment Age to today.

>>514797877
Education is programmed to view accepting responsibility, the act of transparency, as a sign of weakness. If there's one thing the modern female zeitgeist loathes, it's being seen as weak. Not failure, but weakness, because they view showing weakness as failure instead of disproval

>>514788578 (OP)
Most people used to dig dirt for the majority of human history. Children are an asset if they work on the farm. Children are a luxury now. It has nothing to do with the legal age. In fact,if legal age was higher before, people would have power over older children and they would be even more useful. The problem is the children are a massive economic liability. For niggers, though they are an asset, hence sheboon have more kids. They get paid by the government to poop out niglets. It's kind of obvious that a normal couple can't afford kids unless they are rich. Hence the collapse of the useful population.

>>514798497
You didn't see farmers sit down in their fields and die in dust bowls like Buddhas during the great depression

>>514789153
No, his arguments are substantiated by the fact that the teen birth decline has taken about 40% of the total births down with it. Teen pregnancy used to be really, really common. And I’m talking in our parents day.

>>514789257
I do agree that this is actually the real answer. The brithrate decline from 5-7 kids to 2-3. Then the dropoff in teen pregnancy knocked that down by 40%. I assume the last few points that dropped was caused by economic and QoL factors.

>>514793692
No, that’s been debunked.

>>514798739
GD was a banking problem that is atypical to what happened historically. Historically, farmers didn't own their land, and had to produce to eat and live. GD was farmers/owners getting smoked because the banks had the farm's morgage and wiped out their savings and means to pay for the mortgage, hence forcing foreclosures. This was already a different system, where a small minority of farmers could feed the population. And now the farmers are mechanized and financialized, and really don't benefit from children working as much. The do need mexicans now. You find a way to turn kids from a liability to an asset, you will see a demographic reversal. Amishes are using kids in a traditional way, and they have no demographics problem.

>>514798497
>It has nothing to do with the legal age. In fact,if legal age was higher before, people would have power over older children and they would be even more useful.
Legal Age would be lower in practice even if you made it nominally higher, because after reaching physical maturity, the child would be able to physically overthrow you. That's why the old 21 age of majority was never aggressively enforced & teens were constantly lying about their age.

>>514788578 (OP)
Whites don't breed in captivity

>>514799084

see

>>514797643

18 magical age theory was promoted in part to enforce restrictions on disowned/emancipated teen prostitutes. That was one of the chief arguments for compulsory education & the hiking of the age of consent when you look at the 1800s/early 1900s records on the subject.

>>514799164
>>514788578 (OP)
Question: does anybody agree with me that the age of consent (not age of majority) should be 29? I think it should be 29. I think that it makes more sense that splitting it in early adulthood. It’s wasy to confuse 25 year olds for 15 year olds and vice versa, making it very easy to be tricked and then blackmailed or extorted. By age 29, everybody has visibly aged, ezpecially the women. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to mistake a 29 year old woman for a teenager.

Arguments? Agreements?

>>514788578 (OP)
Ban contraception and birth rates would double over night

>>514798497
>Hence the collapse of the useful population
You summed it up perfectly in a nutshell. Absolutely. This was so obvious and yet no one did anything to stop it. Its like sitting on a railway track and watching a train approach from miles away and then roll over you in slow motion. I can only conclude that although useful the vast majority of the population were also very fucking stupid. And now future generations are going to become even stupider.

>>514799326
>promoted in part to enforce restrictions on disowned/emancipated teen prostitutes.
Why did they want to restrict these people, and in what ways? QRD?

>>514799370
It wouldn't be enforceable, humans are in their physical prime when they are in their 20s. Post-25 you start to break down on a cellular level, that's why cavemen died before 50. If you try to get a group of 40/50 somethings to enforce age restrictions on the 20-somethings, the 20-somethings would just beat them up.

>>514799444
What the fuck are you doing up so late? Jesus Christ its nearly half past 3 in the morning. Go to bed.

>>514799582
Do i need to clip your ears? i got shit to do that i am waiting on.

>>514799164
It would be the same unless it would be enforced. If the legal age was enforced, you'd have basically slavery lite system for kids. The point is legal age has nothing to do with demographics. Amishes have the legal age enforced and I bet you it benefits them.

>>514799554

Pedophilia Conspiracy Theories are a Hoax invented by the Deep State, they were invented the way Terrorism was, natural terrorism/pedophilia is rare.

Jeffrey engaged in blackmail operations with primarily 15-17yo females that could pass for 21 in order to entrap people. The primary figure behind the Age of Consent hike was WT Stead. Stead published a series of articles collectively called 'The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon' wherein he describes his purchasing of a 13 year old prostitute. This article series was a sensationalized propaganda form that was used as justification to hike the Age of Consent above puberty. WT Stead later outlined the 'Government by Journalism' concept which pertains to the media producing propaganda narratives that affect Government Policy. Stead used his story that resulted in the age of consent hike as an example of this. Stead worked with Rhodes to establish the Roundtable Group/Milner Group per Carroll Quigley in Tragedy & Hope. The 1800s anti-suffragists explicitly predicted that hiking the Consent Age would lead to blackmail issues.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1917/feb/19/criminal-law-amendment-bill?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._T._Stead

This is the Deep State operating template. The Pedophilia Conspiracy Theory was created by the Deep State itself in order to control people. Stead wrote the template for media manipulation for war generation:

>Stead's interview caused a media sensation and led to a popular clamour for Gordon to be sent to the Sudan.[141] Urban wrote: "The Pall Mall Gazette articles, in short, began a new chapter in international relations; powerful men using media manipulation of public opinion to trigger war. It is often suggested that that campaign by William Randolph Hearst's paper that led to the US invasion of Cuba in 1898 was the world's first episode of this kind, but the British press deserves these dubious laurels for its actions a full fourteen years earlier".

>>514799452
You linearly interpolate. This is not how it works. Idiocracy would only happen in the absense of outside populations. What happened is we are an evolutionary dead end. Other people will take over the civilization. Usually weak and stupid get ran over by smart and strong. So this is more likely than breaching some threshold where we become an easy target and keep going. Maybe we are there already. You fix it by creating an incetive to have kids for productive people, not niggers. Find some economic activity for the kids to become an asset, and it reverses fast.

>>514788578 (OP)
Yeah problem with Elon's retardation is that he has sired a bunch nigger tier halfwits because he refuses to actually raise his progeny. The west isn't going to be saved by white people acting like niggers

>>514799709
Except Amishes subscribe to their own ancestral customs independent of the changing laws, thus debunking your point. Amishes don't need 18 magical age theory, they don't even subscribe to it. Amish still follow the Rumspringa practice where you are allowed to exit the community at 16.

Elon's son wanted to transition at 16, so his transgender's son instinctual morality is in-line with the high-TFR Amish, thus proving my point.

>>514793910
Wake up retard there are no cold mines in need for child labor these days, your argument assumes that we are in the exact same world than 300 years ago when it's painful obvious that is not, there is no current labor market that can absorb childs to give them a job, and Gen alpha and on are more and more retarded than children from 300 years ago

>>514800143
The laws are enforced on the Amishes too. Amishes can't commit general crimes. Slavery worked on the same principles. You can't do what you want as a slave as the state enforces your status. The same would happen if legal age would be higher if the state starts enforcing it. You can't get a bank account under 18 without the parents. So I don't know what you are talking about. Running away at 16 to face foster care is not the same as being free at 16.

>>514788578 (OP)
Low fertility comes from the status of women in general. Women are not capable of falling in love with men who do not subjugate them. They can never be happy with a man who is their equal, and they will not get nearly as aroused or have as high of a conception chance.

>>514800342

You can drop out of school & get a job & live on your own at 16. State has always allowed that. If you commit a crime & the police apprehend you, if they see that you have an independent domicile, they consider you emancipated per precedent & you just get charged as an adult.

>>514788578 (OP)
It’s caused by women having rights

>>514788578 (OP)
Yes. We must send 11 year olds to handle heavy machinery in factories. 12 year old accountants were commonplace until 55 years ago. Let's destroy our children's health in mines so they can hate us when they become actual adults.

I honestly can't believe Americans are this retarded and brainwashed. You'd rather come up with all sorts of fantasies instead of facing the truth, capitalism is the root of everything, migration is caused on your business need for cheap and illegal labor. You stupid morons wont reproduce cuz most if you can't even afford it due stagnating salaries, hell you can't even dream of having a proper home and a car.

Moreover you listen to an autistic billionaire that contributes to your missery.

>>514800542
I was opening an account for 18yo recently. I'm sure you can do what you want. It doesn't mean you won't become the bottom of the social ladder and it's not worth it for most people. For a normal kid, it makes no sense to move out at 16 unless forced out. Besides, the age has zero to do with the current state of the demographic collapse. You can change it anyway you want t won't make a difference. I have a power of attorney over my 18 yo, she wants me to have it too. She still is a giant liability, though.

Low birth rates: we subsidized old age and made raising children expensive. We created heaven in earth for boomers. People don't need kids when the state take care of them in their old age.

Eventually we are going to have to start cutting social security, Medicaid, and Medicare for boomers who didn't have at least 2 kids. All of these millennial cat ladies are going to be in for a rude surprise.

>>514799666
What possible shit could you have to do at this ungodly hour? Wait...you are grave robbing again. Fuck me. I told you a dozen times before, those corpses are mine.

>>514800983
>Muh capitalism
People don't have kids because they can rely on Social Security and Medicare when they get old. Women don't need to rely on men because of welfare. Yes, jobs are being exported by greedy kikes, but that's only 1/2 of the equation. Right now the developed world has the worst aspects of Capitalism and the worst aspects of Socialism.

>>514800093
Elon is acting like an Ottoman. A completely absent sex pest who pays your way and always has a new pregnant woman in the periphery

>>514799969
Yeah fine. And that would be easy to implement if you or I or many other like-minded people were leaders of entire nations. But I dont see that happening. And other than a world catastrophe that results in the complete fall of civilization I dont think it will.
So like it or not we have the slow sink down into idiocracy, and face it, that's exactly what has been happening for the past 40 years or so.

>>514801977
Or a Spaniard?

>>514789387
Not going to read all that. It only applies to the top 10% of the population. The rest used to live in squalor and still had 10 children.

you want more white babies? lower the age of consent to 13 and ill make more. simple as.

>>514801791
feeding lambs and checking on my day old layers so you can cry about the price of eggs.

>>514804000
Shoot cunts like this

pedos get the woodchipper

>>514788578 (OP)
Billionaires are the biggest cause of low birthrates

>>514798935
This is a fallacy as it does not take into account that there's less teens in general(being born). There are places in world like Bolivia that have an age of consent 18 with a total fertility rate of 2.5 and growing demographics. This points to some other factor or cohort of factors. Such as poverty or IQ. Though this would be taking into account if those would be following the law. Which is another thing, hormone induced teens tend not to care for things like age of consent laws.

>>514788578 (OP)
What’s up with guy? Wants to open the gates for “skilled” migrants regardless of unfit cultures but now migration is an issue?

>>514804313

That's exactly how Muslims behave when you criticize Muhammad, you similarly refuse to question your age 18 religion. The difference is Muslims have the courage to carry out their threats while your threats are ultimately hollow. It's the government that artificially sets a consent age above puberty, the natural age. You pedo hunters blow up the government & the general adulthood age defaults to puberty under Animal Kingdom Law of the Jungle rules. Your entire ideology is fake. Teenage prostitutes were commonplace in the 1800s.

>>514788578 (OP)
Migration is the only thread to White countries. There are more White people that a hundred years ago. So once again Elon is wrong. Keep countries homogeneous!

>>514805855
*threat

>>514807076
what is that?

>>514805855
elaborate

>>514809330
Why would you want to compete with developing nations in terms of population growth? Prioritizing the homogeneity of Western countries is more important than increasing birth rates to match those of other regions. It’s unlikely that less advanced nations will surpass us technologically. Focus on progress and maintaining cultural integrity in Western nations.

>>514788578 (OP)
When the fuck did anglos because part of WESTERN (Hispanic-Latino-Hellenic) CIVILIZATION?

>>514811447
since christianity

>>514814156
*catholicism at first & then protestantism.

Anglos converted the Irish to Catholicism.

>>514788578 (OP)
lol Elon perfectly represents how fucking stupid and confused rightoids currently are… imagine being retarded enough to see migration and low white birth rates as the number 1 & 2 issues… but then not realizing THEY’RE THE SAME ISSUE hahahahahaha fuck almighty…

And to that same point notice how his pussy ass is terrified to say low WHITE birth rate he just cowardly says low birth rate… which opens the door for a leftist to say “umm wait a second the birth rate generally has gone up?”.

>>514815778
Explain Japan's low birth rate

Yes, Elon's immigrant ass needs to go back to Africa.

The rent is too damn high

>>514788578 (OP)
Immigrants will easily be the new west there is no problem.