Thread 514795491

Can someone explain what’s wrong with having a surveillance state? What’s wrong with catching criminals?

because it never works out like that. it’s never to make you safer, it’s to make them safer from you.

>>514795628
>libertarian cope to cover for NIGGERS

>>514795491 (OP)
the main problem is that there are 17000 different police agencies, all with different jurisdicitions and laws, so much confusion that everyone is breaking the law every day. If the government wants a surveillance state, they need to simplify and nationalize the legal code and officer training and jurisdiction. The laws should just be ensuring contracts, protecting property rights, violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, rape, sexual assault, assault, grand larceny) and crimes protecting the individual (harassment, slander, negligence, etc.). The entire legal code should be like 3 pages tops and taught in school and basically only be laws that 99% of people already agree are bad.

>>514795491 (OP)
>What’s wrong with catching criminals?
The government has criminals.

/thread

>>514795491 (OP)
Yeah, I don’t give a shit. I would prefer them. If I ever have to defend myself, it could be real interesting. Camera can only help my case.

You wanna get around it, wear a mask.

I do awkward shit sometimes and don't want it on camera simple as.

>>514795693
you’re literally paying taxes to pedophiles compromised by a foreign government. if you think they have YOUR best interests in mind, you’re delusional.

>>514795491 (OP)
>Can someone explain what’s wrong with having a surveillance state?
This country is run by gangsters in different colored ties.

I liked the drone idea but it feels unreasonable to scale and would need more like a personalized drone to go along with you to provide camera footage of a crime no matter where you are

>>514795491 (OP)
>horowitz

>>514795491 (OP)
Not sure how hot of a take this is, but I honestly think that getting pissy about militarization of police and increase of surveillance is along a similar vein of retardation as blaming firearms when some loon sees fit to go kill innocents for some stupid idea.
The problem isn't the weapons or technology, the issue is if you get people in power that want to be morality police or otherwise do stupid or otherwise abusive shit with it.

>>514795491 (OP)
>It's not stalking if we stalk everyone

>>514795491 (OP)
>What’s wrong with catching criminals?
niggers will continue to be criminals at the same rate and white people will be unfairly litigated against for minor violations and/or completely invented non-crimes (like being racist)

>>514795704
I tried to estimate the number of laws for me, as a European citizen with companies in Germany and Bulgaria, and houses in Germany, Bulgaria and a few other countries. I came dangerously close to six million.

>>514795491 (OP)
This has been explained tirelessly since 2003. Anyone who wants to listen knows, the rest (LIKE YOU) does not. It's always selective, it's always compromised, it's often sold for limitless behavioral control. Enjoy getting your walking speed clocked and compliance in spatial conflicts measured for HR employability KPIs.

>>514795864
>If I ever have to defend myself
>Camera can only help my case.
Bro, you're actually fucking retarded.
Don't you know about all the places that have "duty to retreat" laws?

If a camera sees you defend yourself, but the law finds that you "made insufficient attempts to escape" then you're going to fucking prison.

>>514795491 (OP)
Criminals justify the existence of the police force, there is no incentive for them to solve crime.

They are however invested in supressing the population.

>>514795491 (OP)
Because the surveilance Is Jewish, they will be able to storm your house because "antisemetism" defending this shit Is glow nigger tier.

>>514795491 (OP)
>he thinks surveillance systems are for criminals
Kek

>>514795491 (OP)
The government and people in general cant be trusted with that level of power

>>514795491 (OP)
>whats wrong with banning guns?
>What's wrong with disarming criminals?

>>514796167
>I came dangerously close to six million.
yes and thats the problem, i dont think people would be even ai surveillance if only things like murder, assault, etc were against the law but no one wants to hand the government a blank check to go after anyone they want just because you didnt know it was illegal to ride you bike over a bridge on sunday because of a law from 1704

Brits and Aussies have surveillance states, they literally get arrested for begging rapists to stop raping them.

>>514795491 (OP)
These are city revenue generators, not safety devices. And wtf is a drone going to do for 911 calls?

>>514795491 (OP)
Nice strawman. Sort of like saying what's wrong with enslavement, you get free food!

>>514795491 (OP)
this is a bait right?
4chan niggers asking for a surveillance state? anonymoooses?
go back to facebook or reddit or whatever shithole you crawled out of in 2016 for real no cap on god on a stack
do you have any idea how fast you will be gulag'd for even posting on this site once? You have no legal defense.
>I was in favor of the surveillance state
>so why were you posting on an anti-semetic, white nationalist, terrorist recruiting forum?
you used to live in california and moved somewhere else because it got "too crazy" there right? you dumb fuck

So that the AI driven surveillance machine tells you what everyone already knows? Never relax around niggers


Suddenly the statistics arent published anymore like those sub stats because they paint a racist picture lol

>>514796485
They are published, its just you faggots only care about per capita, dont care about Number of incidents because your narrative would fall

>>514795491 (OP)
If you still trust the government and the police to hand them complete surveillance you are a complete fucking idiot

>Government puts cameras on local train
>They do nothing to stop niggers with no ids from doing whatever the fuck they want
>Gypsies eventualy come in at night and rip them of their frame to sell the scrap copper
>Have to sit in a corner so they dont catch me posting on 4chin
Yeah

>>514796635
>you faggots only care about per capita
I'm not sure what your argument here is, but per capital IS usually what matters, y'know...

>>514795491 (OP)
When every citizen becomes a suspect, every suspect will eventually become a criminal. It's just panopticon purity-spiral bullshit with maximum hypocrisy because it's run by a demonic pedophile kleptocracy.

>>514795693
Kek the ai surveillance is there to protect the niggers from us dumbass

>>514795491 (OP)
everything boils down to authority and trust, always, today as ever
if you have no authority, even if you are the most moral man of history, people won't trust you as leader even when trying to help them, whereas if you have full authority, people will follow you even into the most atrocious crimes
people's dislike for surveillance is directly related to people's distrust on who's on the other hand

>>514796842
>When every citizen becomes a suspect, every suspect will eventually become a criminal
Do I just not understand the mentality of members of government, or something? I, for the life of me, don't get why anyone would want the general public to be engaging in criminal activity.

>>514796971
*other side

>>514795491 (OP)
The people bashing Thiel for this wanted to arrest me for not wearing a mask.

>>514797006
i think he means that government can find a way to class anyone as a criminal the closer they watch. they can use that ability to fuck with anyone they want for any reason at all.

>>514795491 (OP)
nothing is wrong until the definition of criminals change to include you

>>514795491 (OP)
Maybe I simply do not want to be watched.
Fuck you.

>>514795491 (OP)
Alex Karpp (Palantir CEO), a communist jew says in a conference:

>"We need to stand up, and people need to scared!"
>"They need to go to sleep scared, wake up scared!"
>"To be safe you need to make someone scared!"
>"And I had all sorts of fantasies of using drone-enabled technology to exact revenge — especially targeted — in violation of all norms."

Do you want these kind of people surveilling you?

>>514797182
>>514797189
This ties back into what I said with >>514796111 , then. The problem isn't the technology or concept, it's that there's bad actors behind the controls. I'm of the opinion that aggressive surveillance of *public* spaces and having freedom are compatible with each other, but you need to ensure that control stays local, and the scope of government's jurisdiction remains small. Ideally, with scope of government decreasing as you go up in level.

>>514795491 (OP)
The problem is that states and cities are letting bad actors write the laws, so you could end up fighting a 40,000 dollar case over a 500 dollar fine to cut your grass.

>>514795491 (OP)
>FLOCK SAFETY
>For The Sheeple

>>514796776
This Is an example of why you are wrong, but keep coping with your narrative, you always do.

>>514795491 (OP)
Will you let your boss, teacher or co-worker go through your phone? What about some random nigger you meet on the street?

Who are you willing to give unrestricted access?

>>514795491 (OP)
Because it's clearly the latest effort by Kikes to harass normal White Humans that will completely ignore feral nogs so long as they aren't harming News or their interests.

>>514797432
>ensure that control stays local,
i dont think it matters in the end because you still have petty little tyrants at the lowest level who would like to use their 'power' to attack people they dont like, and the people in higher positions always have more goodies to offer as bribes to the ones lower down.

the best way is to not build this kind of capability in the first place. have actual police patrols and stuff by all means but this shit is bad news and doesn't do much with respect to its stated aims anyway.

>>514797988
At least at the local level, it's a lot easier to get a politician out of office via the ballot box if they piss too many people off.

>>514796111
Typical stupid escalatory Yank idea. When confronted with an itinerant population that never would have been given guns by your Founding Fathers, you think it makes sense to double down and militarize your police. You don’t get the good parts of fascism, you don’t get unity or national purpose, all you get is beaten with an extendable baton by an apparatchik who has been propagandized out of his mind to believe it’s his job to defend The Man and nothing else.

You’re literally licking the boots of people who would oppress you at a moments notice just because some moneyed tribesman at the top of the heap decided to take you a target. Pathetic.

>>514798123
until you eventually find that special person who cant be bought, bribed, threatened or blackmailed? how about just not creating pervasive surveillance systems?

>>514798517
Alright, here's the part where I admit that I live in a rural area, so that might be influencing my experiences and stance on the issue.
>bought, bribed
Again, piss too many of the locals off and it won't matter how much you're paid. You'll lose office and no longer be of use to anyone bribing you in the first place.
>blackmail
I've heard rumors of this for some stuff, but anything I'd imagine being useful for that has a tendency to get leaked out here before it has the chance to be used for blackmail.
>threatened
At best, this'd result in a massive shitstorm, at worst, the individual doing the threatening will quickly find themselves arrested or shot.

>>514795491 (OP)
The problem is those who define and enforce crime.

>>514798943
well ok anon, i hope you enjoy your invasive rural surveillance system when it arrives since you trust government so much.

>>514795491 (OP)
>AI-triggered alerts

>>514795491 (OP)
Maybe try to jail criminal first?

>>514801048
they dont even fucking jail them for long when they do catch them up here, so whats the point of more ability to catch? no, its not about that and they know it.

>>514795704
I dont think they care if they arrest innocent people.

>>514795491 (OP)
Watch Lord of The Rings.
^
No better evidence.

The US Government is Gollum.
The surveillance state is the one ring.

>>514802691
It's just another money grab in my humble opinion.

>>514803026
our money to their friends and more power to themselves, as usual.

>>514795491 (OP)
Because they make the laws so they make the criminals. Most people break dozens of laws every single day, if they want to make you disappear, they can do so quite easily, especially with higher tech security like this.

The security isn't FOR you. It's for them, FROM you.

>>514795491 (OP)
>Can someone explain what’s wrong with having a surveillance state?
>t. not american
Fuck yourself. That's what's wrong. You fucking live in the country that wrote the bill of rights and you're asking why can't big brother watch me all the time.

Why don't you go ask the UK how well their surveillance state is working for them? They're all SO SO safe, aren't they... fucking moron.

>>514795864
Like the camera that wasn't functional when the plane hit the Pentagon, or like the camera that wasn't working when Epstein died, or all the other times.

>>514795491 (OP)
Demolition man was a documentary

>>514804035
BONG thoughtcrime detected, that will be 9000 credits citizen