Thread 514795996

Deporting immigrants destroys real wages, want to know how?

Your real wage isn’t your nominal wage, it refers to your purchasing power. Your real wage can increase either by a real nominal wage (pay check increase) where prices remain the same, fall, or at least not rise as much as your paycheck increase % wise, or… if prices fall faster than your paycheck decreases.

When ICE raids a town and deports all the farm workers, uber drivers, and dishwashers, the cost of labor increases. Farmers now have to make costly investments in automation, the surcharge for uber deliver will increase due to a shortage of uber drivers, and restaurants will have less staff available to wash dishes.

Unless you are in one of those industries, you won’t even see a nominal pay rise, you’ll be paid the same but you’ll notice food is more expensive, you’ll notice uber costs more, you’ll see restaurants jack their prices. Your REAL wage measured by purchasing power will have decreased thanks to mass deportations

>>514795996 (OP)
i started looking like guy on the left about age 16 and the girls simply appeared. before that it was like i was invisible.

>Dishwashers suddenly make more than CNAs
>all CNAs suddenly decide to quit being babysitters and go wash dishes for more money
>CNA cost of labor goes up due to CNA shortage
Simple as.

>>514795996 (OP)
you're handily ignoring all the benefits of deporting the illegals, such as less drain on healthcare services (who cant refuse care etc), less pressure on housing resources, less shitty drivers on the roads, less crime in general and, importantly, less dilution of local demographics, plus a bunch of other stuff i cant think of.

Farmers have already made the move towards automation outside of democratic states that prevent farmers from doing it. If it's brown, flush it down I says.

>>514795996 (OP)
This is like "why women voting was a mistake" in one picture

for many years the only delivery services were pizza, chinese, and i guess the furniture store.

>>514797833
i only remember pizza delivery growing up through the late 80s and 90s. it was the young white kids job.

>>514797094
Only when it’s more affordable to do so. Cheap labor can provide a less costly alternative.

Forcing farmers to make these decisions when it’s not more affordable for them to do so strains the capital markets. Farmers will have to borrow money that could be used or invested in more productive ventures

>>514797609
Men seem to be voting for ones with the best ratio of advanced age, grifting intensity and volume of kike cum they can store in their body cavities at one time.
So it's not a pretty picture either.

>>514799179
Trump actually stands for the people.

I like him for that but I just wish he would cool it on deporting the productive people. This is why I support Trump and Newsom kek

>>514795996 (OP)
She got raped on Twitter for this retardation btw

This is retardonomics. You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
t. Econ lecturer

>>514799233
Show link

>>514799258
You’re not an economics lecturer, and if you are that shows how embarrassing the American education system is.

You’re economically illiterate

>>514795996 (OP)
>w-we need to mass import brownies because it's le cheaper!!
shut the fuck up kike.

>>514799400
I have a PhD in economics from an R1 university and am a lecturer at an R1 university as well. Cope about this however you like, but it doesn’t matter because this would be retarded and wrong even if I wasn’t.

>>514795996 (OP)
>Deporting immigrants destroys real wages
No, it doesn't, you faggot.

>>514799332
It's your thread retard, post a link yourself

>>514799227
>I just wish he would cool it on deporting the productive people
You're actually fucking retarded.

>>514799492
No you aren’t. What I wrote was very basic economic law of labor markets and supply/demand. If you disagree with it then you don’t even know grade school level economics.

You are why Trump says he loves the poorly educated

>>514799560
“I love the poorly educated”

- DJT

>>514799133
>strains the capital markets
Capital is created out of thin air. There is no limit to how much can theoretically be created. And farmers don't need to borrow money -- the State could simply direct funding to this specific area and if the real world resources exist (the labor, the raw materials, the technological know-how, the production facilities) then it will happen. The State can always "afford" things -- it's just a matter of whether the actual real resources allow it to be done.

Itt we pray together for a white nation

Even if we lose a bunch of land and wealth

Please God set our people free

>>514795996 (OP)
The chick in the middle's uncanny valley fluoride stare is way more unsettling than either man.

>>514799728
No it can’t, when you create capital (print money) like you’re talking about, you’re diluting the value of all other financial capital in existence. It’s an indirect form of tax. What you’re describing is no different than if the government just printed money and gave it to farmers. That would be a state intervention that distorts the market away from its appropriate equilibrium.

>>514795996 (OP)
When they stop hiring what is slave labor everyone wins.

>>514795996 (OP)
>Farmers now have to make costly investments in automation, the surcharge for uber deliver will increase due to a shortage of uber drivers, and restaurants will have less staff available to wash dishes.

So why can't they hire legal american citizens to do the jobs? Uber doesn't want to hire americans? Restaurants don't want to hire americans? Hmmm....odd of you to admit this.

>>514795996 (OP)
That's just dumb. Labor is not 100 percent of the cost of anything.
Therefore if all wages doubled tomorrow effective income would increase. The prices of goods would increase but as labor isn't the whole cost the non labor part would not need to increase.
Many goods do not have big labor costs such as durable goods that do not require the labor that created them to upkeep them. Things like rent go down with less demand, same as houses.
Regardless of any economic arguments, those who invade your territory are your enemy. Our land should be populated by us and our tribe, regardless of any economic arguments. That we have secured a large bountiful territory does not mean we should let others in to use it.

>>514795996 (OP)
Canadian men like me approve of Gavin.

JD gives us the ICK

Gavin is Just like Justin!

>>514795996 (OP)
Illegals are actually a net decrease.

>>514795996 (OP)
what does providing free healthcare, education, and welfare to all these spic invaders do to purchasing power?

>>514799668
The pseudo-intellectualism and hidden disdain for poor whites is why I left the Democrat party in 2006. They claim to be "the party of the working man", but whenever the working man demands fair treatment or attention paid to his needs, it's always "LOL REDNECK BUMPKIN SOUTHERN TRASH LOL"

Then they import more illegals.

>>514799818
So you agree democrats were wrong and Trump was right to stop giving away free money to foreign countries for shit like transgender surgeries in Uganda. Great.

>>514799818
It's very different from printing and giving. It is being channeled to productive infrastructure that reduces costs and labor input in the long run.

Inflation can be controlled quite easily -- it's not mystical. Taxes destroy money, paying off debt destroys money, lower or no interest rates reduce or eliminate the multiplier effect, creating more goods and services, lowering the input cost of production, etc. It's not a mysterious process.

>>514795996 (OP)
You would have been right if you were talking to you rich friends who have 5 house employees and 10 to 100 employees in their businesses, half of them tax free and paid under the minimum wage.

You are, however, speaking to people who work and pay their taxes. The GDP isn't in my plate. My wage is. The law of offer and demand apply.

>When ICE raids a town and deports all the farm workers, uber drivers, and dishwashers, the cost of labor increases.
You see, even you can get it. Deporting illegals, and by the way, most legals as well is good for me.

OP pushes the same old lie....that immigrants (legal & illegal) are only positive for the economy. The costs associated, whether financial, cultural, or criminal, are to be ignored because.....muh ethnic food & GDP!

I despise such Kikes intensely!

>>514800314
If you were Bill Gates and had billions, cheap labor would be good for you, so you would tell your friends who work in politic or journalism to support it.

But you are an Average Joe, and your only income is your job. So you are a racist, a nazi and probably a Hitler as well.

Blah, blah blah ...

Stealing jobs especially from teenagers, no full time shifts just enough hours to fill shifts yet undermine worker's rights, destroys civility in workplace culture. Wealth removed, isn't getting reinvested.

Blah, blah blah money fixated worthless greed society.

>>514800505
>workers rights

Workers rights are a violation of human rights. Leftist anarchists unions are what instituted those laws.

Also illegal immigrants and immigrants alike create wealth to enrich you and actually allow for reinvestment

>>514795996 (OP)
>Your labour being worth more is a bad thing, slave away for peanuts goyim
Fuck off

>>514800438
Unironically yes because if you’re an average Joe and you hate immigrants, it means you’re willing to gut your wage and job prospects just to see less brown people.

>>514800612
>I hate brown people so much I’d rather live as poor as an African than be wealthy and have a high wage but see an occasional brown person

Rot in hell scum. Literally demonic ideology

>>514795996 (OP)
Tldr:
>if we deport the illegals, who will pick our crops, clean our hotels, and scrub our toilets?
>>514799560
It destroys an (((employer’s))) ability to pay low wages lmao

>>514800250
A rich person doesn’t care, they’re rich no matter what.

If you’re a wage earner, you need immigrants to boost gdp and thus your wage.

>>514800637
Again, less offer for labor mean that the cost of labor increase.

Less immigrants, legal or no mean the steak in my plate is bigger.

>>514800683
t. Groid
Idgaf, stay mad.

>>514800683
This but unironically. A high trust but poor white ethnostate would be millions of times better than a “rich” (((multicultural))) economic zone

>>514800202
> It is being channeled to productive infrastructure that reduces costs and labor input in the long run

Not more than the opportunity cost, and I’d that weren’t the case, the market would already be doing it.

> Taxes destroy money, paying off debt destroys money, lower or no interest rates reduce or eliminate the multiplier effect, creating more goods and services, lowering the input cost of production, etc. It's not a mysterious process

And the best way to minimize inflation is for the government to stay out of the economy, run balanced budgets, not print money, and let the free market act on its own to create more goods and services

>>514800739
Why does immigrants boost the GDP?
>Lower wages
Here we goes.

>>514800198
Yup, one reason I voted for him in 2024

>>514800036
How does Steve Jobs, being born to an immigrant family and creating millions of jobs… have to do with free healthcare?

>>514800026
thats what i was talking about, and which OP is ignoring.

>>514800852
Let's look at the facts...
Ho, it appear that you are right.

>>514800071
If the working man is willing to fuck themselves over just to see less brown people then yes.

That’s just disgusting and sadistic

>>514799960
Really dumb argument. Even the materials associated with the non-labor costs, rely on labor some point down the chain

>>514800892
Steve Jobs destroyed our entire society with his iphone, great example of why we need to throw all the invaders out immediately.

>>514800892
Taxing money from your nationals to give it to strangers whose job will be to vote for you is called treason and should be punished by 12 bullets.

This bitch is far too mid to be the next new grifting egirl. Not even mid you can visibly tell she has loose facial skin and she's like 20 and I thought she was in her 40s when I first saw her.

>>514801009
Don't tell him what the Pajeets has done with Apple.

>>514799865
Literally nobody wins when restaurants are forced to pay dishwashers more money than Rothschilds.

Giving everyone an elite salary creates hyperinflation. Zimbabwe tried this

>>514800828
You didn’t even read the article. They’re talking about nominal wages.

If you want a higher nominal wage I heard Zimbabwe is great right now. They offer $500bn notes

>>514795996 (OP)
I don't care about women's political opinions and I certainly don't care about an e-whore's opinions who makes decisions based on the appearance of the candidates

also, females should not be allowed to have rights in the first place
>women's opinions are worthless
>if we win they will follow us regardless and pretend they were always on our side
>if we lose they will immediately switch sides and sleep with the victors

>>514801069
>I want the restaurants to have slaves so it will be cheaper for me to eat
I want slavery outlawed so I can have a real wage. You guys had a civil war over this.

>>514800874
Increasing more goods and services means your money will have more things to buy. Your purchasing power will be higher.

If we deported every single person except you, you’d have no competiton, but there’d be nothing to buy

>>514801018
How does taxing immigrants so your own citizens don’t have to pay taxes count as treason??

>>514795996 (OP)
A bunch of feral shitskins are not good for economy.

>>514800739
Very orwellian and jewish logic here lmao

>>514801111
The reason why Zimbabe had a 90% unemployment is because the state randomly decide to take you shit for their pet projects that never work. Ring a bell?
Less immigrants will make me gain 20% more and it will make shit cost 10% more. My nominal wage increase.

Again, this argument only work with you millionaire friends, not with working class people.

>>514800860
You have no idea what you're talking about. Please sit this out.

>>514799896
Because everybody hates doing farm labor. It's something historically you force the people you conquer to do at spearpoint.

In the developing world, when given the option to assemble air conditioners or sew sneakers for 70-hours a week instead of farm, they'd rather work in a sweatshop.

>>514795996 (OP)
>When ICE raids a town and deports all the farm workers, uber drivers, and dishwashers, the cost of labor increases. Farmers now have to make costly investments in automation, the surcharge for uber deliver will increase due to a shortage of uber drivers, and restaurants will have less staff available to wash dishes.
...And they're forced to hire Americans at a higher wage. The shit-tier companies and services that can't go out of business while the more efficient ones thrive in these new circumstances. The higher wages offset the cost of goods and services and the economy grows.

The only losers are the banks, who depend on loans and interest to make ends meet, but they're fucked in the long run by AI and crypto anyway. Who fucking cares. They're buggy whip factories.

Democrats are crooks and traitors and worst of all, can't understand economics to save their hell-bound souls.

>>514800438
Yes, but "cheap labor" is beneficial for everyone in any society......it's far too general a term. Billionaires like Bill Gates are pernicious not because they are rich, but because their wealth is disassociated with the plight of the masses. Rather than care about the well-being of the majority, Bill Gates' position as "replacement aristocracy' is completely at odds with the peasantry.

The masses suffer the consequences of the foolish decision to replace God's Aristocracy with another 'aristocracy' made in the hearts of man. The irony is that the nobility still exists, despite all secular attempts to destroy God's institutions. The real value of money is not in Bill Gate's accounts. That is purely subjective hysteria of the masses granting Bill Gates influence over their suffering.

>>514801257
Bullshit, they don't respect the law, why would they agree to give 40% of their income and their name and address to the state when they can just get paid.
In my country the black market is a tens of billions of euros per year economy.

>>514801216
My purchasing power is proportional to my wage, which is lower when more people compete for the same jobs. We are not talking about the entrepreneurial kind of immigrants there. Those can fill forms and get a legal work permit, which is required to do anything big.

>>514800637
That's because one does not have to be rich to understand the true cost of DIEversity in any society.

>>514801422
The real solution is start leveraging all available techniques and technologies -- whether it be automated tractors/combines, vertical indoor growing/geothermal greenhouses -- as well as, quite frankly, forcing or mandating alternate consumption patterns to bring the labor component down.

>>514795996 (OP)
If a woman started going off about “chad vs chud” in the realm of politics in front of me I’d literally knock her teeth out

>>514801422
>American history education
People were happy to be allocated a plot of land so they could do substance farming on it.

>>514801488
For everyone except the working man. Which I happen to be.
Now, you want me to make a sacrifice for the nation, okay, but the nation piss at my face. So no.

>>514801155
You pretend to be anti-elite

Yet you want restaurant workers to become the new elites??

>>514800828
>Less immigrants, legal or no mean the steak in my plate is bigger.
An artificial inflationary delusion, sure. But stability means more get to enjoy steak, because more can become ranchers and existing ranchers can butcher more stock for the market.

>>514799492
Hijack OP’s thread and post some interesting analyses/predictions

>>514801381
You know nothing about economics,

You are why Trump loves the poorly educated

>>514795996 (OP)
>costly investments in automation
thats what china is doing, look how they turned up

>>514801740
>globohomo faggot thinks having a decent wage is being the "elite"

>>514801480
>wage goes up 10%
>cost of living goes up 50%

You’re a traitor if you still oppose immigration in 2025.

Killing your own country because you hate Hispanics

>>514801495
Your wage is dependent on costs, if we deport immigrants, costs rise, your wage can afford less

>>514801857
>retard thinks being paid a voluntary wage is “slavery”

>>514801300
The state only did that because Niggers don't produce, they only steal. That's not quite what caused their hyper inflation. Symptomatic of the underlying problem of DIEversity.

>>514801829
You know who also tried that? Veneswuala

>>514801628
You aren’t an interesting person. No wonder you take offense

>>514801793
You have the exact same opinions on the economy and how it should function as Trump does. He's already granted a function amnesty to everyone working in agriculture and hospitality (construction will be next).

>>514801997
Yeah after he got a bunch of pushback when Miller told ICE to raid farms and construction sites

>>514801655
Oh there are benefits even for 'the working man'. It's just a lot harder for 'working men' to notice amongst all the costs. But there are still benefits....they're just 'not worth the costs'.

>>514801793
>You know nothing about economics,
>>514801859
>wage goes up 10%
>cost of living goes up 50%
lmfao. You can't explain the second "conclusion" in mathematical terms at all.

>>514801859
>Killing your own country because you hate Hispanics
I AM hispanic. And I voted for Trump three times, the same I'll vote for Vance over that preppy wetback dicksucker Newscum.

>>514801740
I do want workers to have a livable wage yes.
This used to be the talking point of the left, fucking clown world.

>>514801773
More people can be ranchers but there is only a limited surface for all the ranches and it's already taken. More cowpokes mean less steak in the plate of the cowpokes, and more unemployed wannabe cowpokes.

Your meme flag fool no one.

>>514802099
>You can't explain the second "conclusion" in mathematical terms at all.
Higher demand for housing, healthcare, groceries, education, etc = higher cost of living. Pretty simple.

>>514801906
Correct, my wage depend of the cost of labor. When the cost of labor goes up, my wage goes up.

>>514802076
I bet he don't know the term "income condition"

Imagine if all the refugees went to israel. Unlimited wages! Plus the cuisine. Open borders for israel!

>>514795996 (OP)
Traffic is down in Dallas. No one in the press is talking about it. But I've been driving in Dallas every 3rd or 4th weekend for the last few years and traffic is down 20-30%.
I wonder how places like LA are over the last 6 months.

>>514795996 (OP)
Vance 2025 mogs him, you know that right? And debate wise he would rape him.

>>514800683
Shiskins are literally invasive vermin and are bad as roaches and rats.

>>514802322
Now look at the price of housing.

Wages goes up, rent goes down. You can now even buy your house. But the local millionaire is sad.

>>514801996
You know nothing about me but I now know what insults get to you :^)

>>514795996 (OP)
I don’t like you and don’t want you here because you’re incompatible.
I could care less about multinational corporate profit or yiu escaping the hell on earth your people created and you’re not bringing it here

>>514801947
> US military is cowardly lion
> farms and labor are retarded
> industry and tech has no heart

>>514802099
You don’t know economics, you don’t know history, and you don’t know science

Good grief

>>514802204
The left has never supported the ultra-rich.

You hate immigrants because you think without them, you’ll become the ultra rich. And you think dishwashers will become the new elite oligarch class

>>514802204
Hogwash.....there is plenty of land available for ranching if the prices of beef rise. And my flag is the best choice from the flags provided: I am a Christian White National Socialist. If that bothers you, then I can't help that.

MY ARGUMENT: It is the proper goal of the Christian king to provide stability, and fight sin/criminality.

>>514795996 (OP)
>you don't understand! Slaves keep things cheaper!
Lol

>>514795996 (OP)
>When ICE raids a town and deports all the farm workers

People can’t seem to keep this fact in their heads but Zion Don said farm workers will no longer be targeted because they’re essential.

>>514795996 (OP)
OP, serious question.
Now with all these great benefits to these illegal imigrants because as they say our greatest treasure to have them. Why is it then that as the more of them we import, the higher costs are going and wages are staying the same. If they were so great where was the benefit of them all along. Its not.

>>514802420
You are unattractive, otherwise you wouldn’t be triggered by her saying that :)

>>514795996 (OP)
Sadly, OP. The truth is this. The left sees millions of left-voters coming in. That's all. And OP is full of shit.

>>514802227
Higher wages created by a tighter labor market offset the increases. If the labor market is too tight, this spurs innovation in tech, which further challenges the cost of living as the children of the original workers all attain high-paying jobs after college or high school. What takes a hit is banks and interest rates and who fucking cares about those vampires.

Try again, half-wit.

>>514802419
Imagining hating migrants so much even tho your wage goes up, your rent goes down, you still hate them because of the color of their skin

>>514802648
OP won’t go into the costs of keeping these people and how taxpayers have to subsidize them so some scum corporation can get record profit

>>514801655
>People were happy to be allocated a plot of land so they could do substance farming on it.
And back in reality, when opportunities present themselves, people try to run screaming away from subsistence farming. Because it's precarious and you have no liquidity.

>>514802562
>you don’t understand

>I want to turn dishwashers into elites, they should be paid more than Jeff Bezos! That will fix the economy

>>514802648
Because we have horrible economic policy in this country which is why we need migrants as it’s the only thing holding up the economy

>>514795996 (OP)
>just keep our underpaid slaves laboring away so you can enjoy frivolous consumerism in a fake economy while your real wage is stolen by profit-margin-chasing jews, goy!
No.

>>514802487
>You don’t know economics, you don’t know history, and you don’t know science
Explain where you got that "50%". You can't and you know it, because leftists suck donkey balls at econ. This is why they think "Marxism" is a thing even after it repeatedly failed over 150 years of trying

>>514802865
How about we... kick out migrants and change the economy, instead?
Moron.

>>514802742
Incredibly stupid person,

“I love the uneducated” - DJT

>>514802774
So taxing migrants so your own citizens don’t pay tax is now bad?

We have record wages in this country.

>>514802720
She didn’t say anything about attractiveness in OP, uninteresting retard
>33pbtid

>>514802947
Ah so our economy is failing, so let’s kick out the people holding it up rather than improve it?

You’re so stupid and uneducated.

>>514802760
>rent goes down
Kill yourself

>>514802894
>make dishwashers paid more than Rockefeller and Bezos combined, that will definitely not destroy the economy

>>514802487
>The left has never supported the ultra-rich.
This is what you're doing in this thread.
The biggest net benefit is not for the average person, but for the rich profiteering jews who pay peanuts to retarded third worlders instead of a decent, fair wage to locals.

Immigrants are scabs. Open borders are a class warfare tool against the local working class by devaluing their labor.

>>514802760
They have a strong in-group preference, and society decided to call that normal, acceptable and to tolerate it.
So I do it too. Cry me a river.

>>514802809
And back to reality, in the middle ages such things never happened, so subsistence farming is the best life 90% of the people can have.

>>514802937
It was an example to show prices rise more than wage hikes when you create monopolistic shortages

You are proof Nazis suck at economics. Just like your whole ideology it’s based on myths.

I’d recommend college but I don’t think education is for you

>>514803004
>Ah so our economy is failing, so let’s kick out the people holding it up rather than improve it?
It's because our economic model is retarded.
We don't "improve" it by fuelling its retardation. We improve it by demolishing it and rebuilding rom the grund up.

>>514803041
>>make dishwashers paid more than Rockefeller and Bezos combined, that will definitely not destroy the economy

>hates the ultra-wealthy, supopsedly
>suddenly mad when I propose dishwashers should be compensated well

Fuck you, slave of international capital. You're guarding the wealthy's interests. The local dishwasher provides more to me than Jeff Bezos.

>>514802937
In fact not only do you suck at economics, you can’t do anything. Nazis (modern Nazis) suck at science, history, etc

>>514795996 (OP)
You're absolutely right and that's why a golden arches employee got paid 6 hamburgers per hour in the 1975 and is getting paid less than 1 hamburger per hour in 2025. God damn it, USA, why did you deport all those immigrants!

>>514802457
>US military is cowardly lion
The USA is a vassal state of Tel Aviv.

>farms and labor are retarded
HOGWASH! Farmers and Labor are the peasantry that the Christian nobility are chosen to govern lovingly. Stability in the economy being incredibly important for the king to enforce for the benefit of the masses.

>industry and tech has no heart
Any segment of society becomes pernicious and abusive if said country turns away from Lord Jesus Christ and His ordinances. The Christian king's goal is a kingdom with a heart of flesh rather than of stone.

Russians should be well aware what happens when turning away from Jesus Christ vs turning towards Him.

>>514801859
>You’re a traitor if you still oppose tide of feral shitkins in 2025.
Fuck you and go fuck yourself, faggot.

>>514803054
In the 80's the left used to say this. They ran on ending all form of immigration, a lot stronger platform than Trump.
Even Bernie was against it.

>>514802951
Democrats openly mock the people who love even the uneducated and don't understand why they don't vote for them anymore.

>>514802975
That is very clearly what is implied stupid

>>514803136
Yeah I agree our economy is failing

Let’s take every single uneducated racist hick like you and toss you out.

And the irony is that you pretend to hate the ultra wealthy but then want dishwashers to become richer than the ultra wealthy

>>514796163
I look like the guy on the right but I'm rich so I get gold diggers. They're hot, but they do crazy shit like poke holes in condoms. Probably not ideal, but it's better than being poor and looking like JD Vance.

>>514803184
We've only been deporting and deporting immigrants since the 1970s, globally, that's why our real wage keeps falling! Has nothing to do with an oversaturated market leading to a diminishing in the value of labor due to oversupply so corporations can cut costs and have more gullible impressionable third-world retards to sell tacky junk to!

>>514800943
>If the working man is willing for pest control
>That’s just disgusting and sadistic
I guess more rats and roaches is good thing for you.

>>514803184
Ah yes because we’re totally living in 1975, totally not living in 2025.

But yes I’m sure you have a time travel machine and you are somehow living in 1975

>>514803165
Not an argument.
Less labor mean that the price of labor increase.
Again, those are not billionaires or job creators.

You simply forgot that you are talking to working class people. Do you hate us?

>>514803253
Then why did you say she “said that” instead of “implied,” stupid? Do you find following your own statements hard, being a golfish-brained brown person and all?

>>514803110
>And back to reality, in the middle ages such things never happened, so subsistence farming is the best life 90% of the people can have.
I can't believe I have to say this, but serfdom was unpleasant for the serfs. It's why they were tied to the land; they didn't want them running off to the towns and cities.

>>514795996 (OP)
they cost more than they produce as has been proven many times. The only people they help are the ones who employ them, help them to make more profit while shifting the costs of their labor force onto the rest of society. How does all that billionaire cum that you are slurping taste?

>>514803123
>It was an example to show prices rise more than wage hikes when you create monopolistic shortages
Where's your mathematical proof of this? An example from recent history? Anything?

You make claims and then you can't back them up with actual numbers. You're the very definition of "uneducated", which is the pure projection you keep using over and over. Faggot.

>>514803253
>And the irony is that you pretend to hate the ultra wealthy but then want dishwashers to become richer than the ultra wealthy

You're losing the plot.
You're supposedly a leftist, but on the axis of 'dishwasher - ultra-wealthy' you clearly believe that dishwashers don't deserve fair compensation and the ultra-wealthy should, well, remain ultra-wealthy.

How come?
According to socialist understanding, the ultra-wealthy harbor their wealth through greed and theft, not through legitimate work, unlike the dishwasher.
So, yes, I want your average person to be rich and our nations to not be reliant on immigration and instead be sustainable.
That makes me... an uneducated racist hick?
Okay.

>>514803303
Ah yes because time flows backwards, if I just pray to the ghost of Hitler we can magically reverse time to 1975. Time travel is real ja ja ja

>>514803339
Anon didn’t say we were living in 1975, illiterate

>>514803339
This is so incoherent I can't even tell what argument you're making, much less how you understood my post. Well done. In a world of ChatGPT, be the Markov chain bot.

>>514803184
>getting paid less than 1 hamburger per hour in 2025
i bet thats not true

>>514803253
>Let’s take every single uneducated racist hick like you and toss you out
I volonteer as long as the violent hordes aren't allowed to come.
Give us 20 years and we will build a good country out of the wasteland you will throw us in.

>>514803413
The point slammed you over the head and you didn't even realize. You should post this thread on Reddit and ask for some backup.

>>514803356
Less labor means less things produced

Less things produced means less purchasing power

Less purchasing power means lower real wage

>>514803445
It's because shills can't even afford to mass-deploy GPT, they just have to outsource to Indians and LATAM teenagers.

>>514803362
Holy shit you’re dumb.

She SAID “Chad vs Chud” which clearly implies Newsom is more attractive, you were mad that she SAID “Chad vs Chud” since you know you’re unattractive.

>>514803269
>poke holes in condoms.
seems like having sex with lots of women isn't a great policy

>>514803457
It got a little better recently. I think it averages slightly below 2 hamburgers per hour now.

>>514803445
He’s literally an Indian and he’s getting paid pennies to annoy and distract users with bad faith arguments

>>514801959
>Veneswuala
they got fucked by the glowies, it proves nothing

>>514803363
Again, Americans don't have an education. Serfdom only existed in eastern Europe.

>>514803472
>Less labor means less things produced
The West is not a production economy, retard, it's a service economy. Less labor doesn't inherently mean less things produced, especially with automation available.
Less things produced also doesn't mean less purchasing power. Holy fucking shit, did you graduate economics in New Delhi?

>>514803385
If they cost more than they produce than they wouldn’t be hired in the first place

Keep sucking off the middle class who would gullintine your entire Bourgoise family in a heartbeat

>>514803526
No, you read that into the OP because you are a small-minded closeted homosexual. I’m not mad about anything except a vague annoyance that you are alive and using technology that your people could never have hoped to produce

>>514803394
>can’t back them up

Except I can, it’s very clearly documented. You’re lying and in any real society I could have you sued and criminally charged for libel.

You’re incredibly uneducated so I will go easy on you

>>514803472
>Less purchasing power means lower real wage
Except the wages went up because of the "less labor" in the first part, moron. lmao

>>514803401
You are losing the plot.

You claim to be a right winger yet you called immigrant dishwashers “slaves”.

If you are truly right wing you would never say that someone voluntarily working for a wage is a slave

>>514803568
>erm we called them something else ackchyually
Holy shit seriously fucking kill yourself

>>514803253
Eat shit and gas yourself, dirty kike.

>>514803464
You’re too stupid to realize the reason the 1970s were better in terms of housing affordability has nothing to do with immigrants or globalization.

You should be imprisoned by the Austrian government for this shit

>>514803581
>totally ignores what I said about costs shifted to the rest of society
listen faggot shill, they are hired because it is a way for their wealthy employers to externalize costs. They pay the illegal scabs low wages, illegal scabs make up for it by going to the ER instead of having health insurance, by driving without car insurance, by popping out anchor babies who then qualify the whole family for SNAP and other gibs. Who the fuck do you think pays for all that? Not the people employing these scabs, that's for sure. KYS

>>514803528
I was dating her monogamously for a year.

>>514803581
They cost more to society than they produce.
They get free universal healthcare, they get benefit, they use all the public services paid for by the taxpayers and they have no obligation to pay their taxes.

This is really good for the bilionaires who get cheap labor, but not for the working class.

>>514803739
You’re too dumb to play this role convincingly. Leave it to the “no, you’re on the right, you did identity politics” retard, he is at least consistent and coherent

>>514803429
I never once claimed that illiterate hick

>>514803630
>it’s very clearly documented

>year of our Lord 2025
>can't produce a a single citation
>even with AI's help
Leftists, ladies and gentlemen. Now go fantasize about suing me when you're probably too fucking dumb to find a lawyer.

>>514803339
why do you act like random people magically care about your thoughts and feelings?

>>514803630
Okay, prove to us that deporting the illegals will increase the cost of goods by 50% and our wages of only 10%.

Are wages accounting for 500% of the price of the final goods?

>>514803739
The reason they were better is because of the demographic makeup of the nation. Has nothing to do with economics, moreso with biology. You're not ready for that level yet, though.

>>514803570
Produce in economics doesn’t just mean widgets you uneducated hick. It refers to value creation.

Want to know why you can’t get a job in science, engineering, or anything white collar? You ate stupid

>>514803630
>appeal to authority
>muh low and odor
Slave mentality.

>>514803568
Serfdom existed in France and Germany and at times in England.

You are incredibly uneducated

>>514803766
Here’s an idea…

Abolish those gibs programs

>>514803798
You’re too stupid to spit out a coherent sentence

>>514803952
Nope, people were free to move wherever they wanted. Some did. That meant 100km away, for the retard who think that it mean France was 40% niggers in the middle age.

>>514803912
>It refers to value creation
They produce no more value than rats and roaches.
They are invasive vermin.

>>514803879
There’s something called socioeconomic

You never went to school so you never heard that term

>>514803912
>It refers to value creation.

>dumbass Marxist outed themselves

>>514797074
Economists have no concept of quality over quantity.
>>514798096
yah, but the boomers coddled their brat children and gave them money instead of making them work shitty jobs and here we are.

>>514803991
>You’re too stupid to spit out a coherent sentence
In that case learn to read.

>>514804033
It’s quite obvious none of us want you in our countries, read the room

>>514799133
They are being forced to NOT USE IT you stupid fuck. Legally prohibited. If it's brown, flush it down.

>>514803839
How does it feel to be uneducated?

>>514804055
You outed yourself as a literal Maoist lmao

>>514803991
>Abolish those gibs programs
Would you mind tuning the antisemitism just a notch down?

Now, if somebody is for less government, he get my vote. Gibs is why nobody want to work anymore, and people not working mean that taxes aren't pay. Ask google news about my country.

>>514804072
Learn to write

>>514804089

>>514804033
>You never went to govt indocrination so you never heard that meme buzzword
Fixed you.

>>514804089
Proving my point you fucking moron

>>514804108
Then end all gibs

>>514804100
>How does it feel to be uneducated?
Your "education" is nothing more than religion tier indocrination.

>>514804168
>Then end all gibs
We can't, the left need them to stay alive and the muzzies will start a civil war if we don't buy peace anymore.
This is the price to pay for diversity.

>>514795996 (OP)
>wage disparity affects price more than excess demand
Wrong.
Also jannies are trying to dox anons they ban now.
Would be a real shame if someone decided to dump the sharty phonebook every day in random threads.

>>514795996 (OP)
>Giving /pol/ an Economics Lesson
This you, homie?

>>514799977
>Foidspeak
Kill yourself. You look old and nobody will want your tired face.

>>514800922
>"Facts"
I come from a deep red rural area and I assure you they do not have "low crime" rates. It's just that the sheriffs cover up "good ol' boy" crime like it's their full time fucking job.

>>514804168
Meanwhile your point.
>we need more vermin, rats and roaches are good for economy

>>514803871
I am still waiting. Does labor account for more or less than 100% of the final cost of the produce?

If it is less, then less immigrants mean that the steak in my plate get bigger.

>>514804033
Socioeconomics are entirely downstream of genetics because natural systems function in self-establishing equilibriums. That is to say, what happens happens because it was most likely to happen. You, like all liberals, confuse cause and effect and swap their places to soothe your cognitive dissonance.

>>514804354
Californias debt is because of their welfare programs

>>514796163
opposite for me
>always considered cute/hot by girls growing up
>early 20s become fat and ugly
it hurts more the farther you fall...

>>514804398
You had to Google that term right now or ChatGPT it, again, no education.

>>514804100
>How does it feel to be uneducated?
If that means "without a worthless liberal arts degree that's going to be replaced by ChatGPT 6", great. It's so funny you came on her from plebbit, Fumblr or X to lecture us poor unwashed and you're getting your ass handed to you over and over for your intellectual shortcomings. You're now at the point where you're just saying the same petulant shit over and over again, so I'm done. Fuck Newscum where he breathes, lol.

>>514804354
Well, she said that Galvin is just like Justin and they have the same deficits. She was correct.

I somehow doubt that the rural sheriff hide more crime than the Zombie hives in Cali.

>>514804473
I just come here for an ego boost.

I’m like a Medhi Hasan on that Jubillee, surrounded by a bunch of trailer trash and I obliterate every single one of you in a 1 vs 1 while I read

It makes me feel good about not being you

>>514804464
>You had to Google that meme buzzword right now or ChatGPT it, again, no indocrination
Fixed.

>>514804420
You now know how it feel to be a 32 year old woman.

>>514804464
Dems mock the people with no indoctrinement and then wonder why they vote for the other side.

>>514795996 (OP)
Quit chasing the dollar and drop out. Neetpill was the best choice. Jeet slave taxes pay my mortgage. I moved in a zoomette who cooks and bakes for me. She spoils me with gifts because she works but i dont ask her to pay for anything because its covered by jeet dhalits. Going fishing in a bit then do some target practice with bows before we go out hunting. Having a job in this day and age is pointless unless youre a worthless consumer cattle who love giving capitalists more money.

>>514804559
Well, that was the most accurate description of the modern democratic party I have ever seen.

Anyway, do people vote for you?

>>514804464
No counter-argument.
Welp. Good debate! Better luck next time. See you on next shill-thread. <3

>>514804420
weel, i haven't stayed looking that way to this point (40s) so i do understand. could have but you know how it goes. gained a bit the last 3-4 years mostly from not giving a fuck.

>>514804658
Having a job is for people who want to run society

>>514804559
>I just come here for an ego boost.
>It makes me feel good about not being you
No one cares or asked, not your personal blog.

>>514804787
I have all the time in the world to follow you home from work and ruin your life.

>>514795996 (OP)
Cool story rabbi.

>>514802502
>tf
>ti
>tp
That's three fucking strikes right there, glowkike.

>>514804559
>I just come here for an ego boost.
>It makes me feel good about not being you
Why you telling us that?
>I’m like that literally who on that Jubillee, surrounded by a bunch of trailer trash and I obliterate in my imagination every single one of you in a 1 vs 1 while I read
Cringe, get some self awareness.
Ah yes, classic it was real in your mind, it must be so truke, but unfortunely you are not that important, in fact you are not important at all.

>>514804407
Wasn't one of your retarded backwards state's constant brags that you have pedowood and it makes a fuckton of money? How's that working out for you lately? You literally don't even make movies anymore. Remind me why we should kick your retarded state completely out of the union, other than glowniggers don't want it?

>>514795996 (OP)
No, fuck off. No more rapey shitskins.

>>514795996 (OP)

that's totally not what happened the last 40 years.40 years of immigration equal lowering the purchasing power.

economy is fake and fucking gay

>>514795996 (OP)
>Farmers now have to make costly investments in automation
Yes that is correct. Allowing cheap foreign labour halts modernization.

>>514804559
Lol, God color coded us. You are a shitskin. Seethe, you will always be a shitskin.

>>514805148
We don’t live 40 years ago, we live in the present. You’re not going to magically go back 40 years because time machines don’t exist

Immigration boosts purchasing power

>>514805148
40 years of niggers has merely served to nigger your economy nigger.

>>514805219
Which is why we need immigration, modernization is extremely costly and if we can produce things for a cheaper alternative, we should do that and invest our capital elsewhere

>>514805235

not what happened so considering the experience lead to the conclusion that immigration lower the purchasing power i think we can say your affirmation is fake and gay

>>514805293
We had immigration for the past 60 years. We don't need more of it.
When does the benefit of mass immigration kick in? How many time do we have to wait? 100 years?

>>514805321
You didn’t offer any argument for how A led to be B.

Causation != correlation

>>514805421
The fact that you’re rich enough to eat three meals a day is proof you’re benefitting from it.

>>514805235
>We don’t live 40 years ago, we live in the present.
Exactly, this is why we can say that the immigration project have failed on all expectation except on making the rich richer.

We tried to do what you are telling us to do. Tried. In the past. And it did not worked.
Explain how it will magically start to work now.

>>514795996 (OP)
> Your real wage can increase either by a real nominal wage (pay check increase) where prices remain the same, fall, or at least not rise as much as your paycheck increase % wise, or… if prices fall faster than your paycheck decreases.
>you’ll be paid the same but you’ll notice food is more expensive, you’ll notice uber costs more, you’ll see restaurants jack their prices.
this has ALREADY HAPPENED

food and restaurant prices dont match people's buying power, they are artificially jacked up high because of illegal labor. business owners are artificially wealthy, they dont have to set prices at what people can afford so they have huge profit margins that jack up all asset prices

please understand, the boomers are killing the working class. the economic recession we are experiencing only affects the working class. the business class and everyone who is in on it will let you die, you are expendable, they dont care if you live in tents

unlike normal economic downturns there are enough wealthy people to support the system so there will not be a total economic revolution. there will be a class war at some point when enough young men are not able to support themselves. this is a highly unusual situation in that this never happened in history as nations in the past could not be supported by international trade. at some point you need to wake up or you'll die. boomers are just going to keep demoralizing you by telling youre poor for not working hard enough or not being smart enough

>>514805421
It already has. The benefit wasn't for the average person. It was to suppress wages and skyrocket real estate costs. We're past even that now though. Now it's just about wrecking nations on purpose as jewish revanchism.

>>514805490
And people in 80's could afford a house while working minimum wage job.
Lets that sink in.

>>514805490
We had 3 meals a day before immigration. What the fuck are you high on?

>>514805528
No, it’s why we can say if anything, immigration is needed.

> We tried to do what you are telling us to do. Tried. In the past.
Except it did work, it prevented us from falling into abject poverty. People today are poorer than 40 years ago but we aren’t starving to death. Immigration has successfully slowed down the rate of wage stagnation

>>514805293
Thus taking away the incentive to modernize that industry.

>>514805615
Mind you, that was with only one income. You would flip burgers 8 hours and walk back home with the equivalent of $200.

>>514805563
Yep, but this nigger pretend to not understand it.

>>514805563
Yet all immigration does is skyrocket wages

>>514805615
Yes but guess what.

Time travel doesn’t exist, you can’t make that come back with a snap of your fingers

“He who looks to past and the present is certain to miss the future”

- JFK

>>514805621
Yeah but guess, time travel doesn’t exist

>>514805649
Every respons starts with
>No
this shitskin thinks it's economic policies matter. No
>we need
We
No
Kill yourself shitskin.

>>514805621
Yeah I know a troll thread when I see one. I'm out.

>>514796163
>>514796834
>>514797074
>>514797094
>>514797609
reposted spam

you bumped a spam thread fagz

>>514805649
>We
There is no we here. You aren't my people. You are a desert shitskin.

>>514805649
We were not falling into poverty. Before immigration, my country decided to go nuclear, to make planes, rockets, supercalculators and fast trains and just like that we did.
Now we are 4 trilliards in debt and we struggle to stay afloat.

Our working class have less things than 60 years ago. Life get harder. Everything goes to shit.
We tried mass immigration and it failed.

>>514805456
>Causation != correlation

In that case go drink bleach, causation ≠ correlation after all.

>>514805764
We know how the world was 40 years ago, why do you pretend that the past never existed and that we can't know what it was?
The common man had a better life 40 years ago and that's a fact.
We tried the immigration policy and it failed, that's a fact.

>>514805490
Are you under the insane impression that people didn't eat food before massive replacement immigration? Food has LITERALLY never been more expensive nor less available in this country (outside the fucking dust bowl). And the quality of "food" in this country has plumetted. Even foods that used to be edible ten years ago aren't now. I haven't seen a ripe piece of produce in a store for nearly 20 years at this point. Except for bananas which somehow are now rotting while green.

>>514804420
>>514804765
getting lean isnt' that hard, faggots
I'm 40 and in perfect shape. It's almost zero effort once you build the base (which takes maybe 2-3 years). Get to it now. FOr yourself, not for foids. 40 is just halfway point. You'll either have another 40 years of misery or another 40 years of graceful aging

>>514795996 (OP)
Demand for labor also increases, hence higher wages. Debunked

>>514805731
>Time travel doesn’t exist because some irrelevant nobody religously believes so
And this is not an arguement and has nothing to do with what i said.

>>514805764
>parroting same phrase over and over.
A real life npc.

>>514805728
Everyone understands it.

>>514805731
Does your retarded party think threads like this will secure you votes or favorable public sentiment. Honey, I have some terrible news to take back to your party's leaders. Unless you OFFER US SOMETHING other than fucking stale gaslighting, your entire party is fucking cooked. Forever. You're done.

Trying to convince people with no hope for the future that AXCHUALLY we're living in a bright and golden age because you have wine on tap at your jewish daycare job while favelas become the norm is not going to work, unless what you're trying to achieve is a violent revolution.

>>514806044
Immigration prevented us from falling into Africa tier poverty. Even if things were better 40 years ago, your life is far better than it could be

>>514805649
>immigration is needed.
No it doesn't, but brutal pest control is.
>us
>we
Collectivistic insect devoid of individuality.

>>514805715
Ok this is bait

>>514805536
>boomers are just going to keep demoralizing you by telling youre poor for not working hard enough or not being smart enough
In your case they're probably right, but tell us what do you do for work and what is your highest level of education completed?

>>514806236
This is a common taking point of the left. Their ideology would be wrong if we didn't had a better life than the people in the past, therefore nobody have even been happy.
Nobody ever owned his house. 5 years ago houses didn't even existed. Nobody ever had a friend. Romances have always been fictions.

Otherwise, they would be wrong.
This guy, for instance said that without immigrants, we would not have 3 meals a day. I assure you this is standard for a leftist.

>>514806365
Interesting theory. Would you look at the facts?

If you import the third world, you become the third world.

>>514806430
I dont actually care what happens to this country, Im not giving any advice to anyone, you can all die for all I care. I just want every young man to know why he is dying so I can laugh harder

>>514795996 (OP)
Implying I'm not aware of this, but the impact on real wages is insignificant compared to the lack of taxation on mega corps and ultra wealthy who pay effective tax rates in the single digits while most people pay anywhere from 20 to 50% in taxes and tariffs, not to mention the massive government handouts given by zoggite governments to these mega corps in order to guarantee cushy jobs at the conclusion of their political career

Your simping for the globalist approach and brownoid soft invasion is not merely an economic problem, it is a cultural problem too. The nigger cannot behave itself, their countries are consistently marred by extreme violence, at extremely high rates and their beliefs are consistently at odds with western beliefs like the right to be a faggot and the right for women to breathe.

Ergo; irrespective of which direction brain you are, from an economic perspective the importation of the brownoid is the anthesis of the beliefs held by a democrat and from an sociological perspective the anthesis of the beliefs of a Republican. The only beneficiary of the brownoid invasion is the the alien (said brownoid), the mutant (the Jew) and the heretic (accelerationists)

Continued support for the brownoid invasion will constitute evidence that you are beyond reason and rationale, and instead you should be put down like a rabid animal lest your behaviour infect others.

>>514806401
this whole thread is bait you fucking troll bitch!

>>514806445
Except that’s your argument, you think we’re all better off today.

If you actually adjust for inflation were worse off today than we were 40 years ago

>>514806582
You’re literally a troll, nobody denies immigration is good

>>514805456

i don't need to i just see that immigration in our context is lowering wages since that's what happened.
For arguments about how A led to B i would say that importing millions of people while there's already unemployed people in your own country makes those people competing for jobs therefore put a pressure on wages and lead to more unemployed people as there's more people coming looking for a job eventually competing with other immigrants.More people also more pressure on housing,rent goes up ,lower the purchasing power.
i mean i'm just a simple peasant i might be wrong tho.But i keep my opinion because reality.

>>514806365
>importing third world prevented us from falling into third world tier poverty
Beyond retarded and genuinely insane.

>>514806633
Except most of the actual country's citizens. Congratulations, you have secured 25% of the country's vote with your feminine horseshit. Now how do you plan to get the remaining 75% to stop hating you?

>>514806633
So you have multiple personalities disorder and voices in the head?

>>514806636
You see immigration lowering wages? Like you physically see an immigrant coming in and lowering a wage?

Because I see immigrants keeping up wages, I see wages falling and immigrants being the only thing slowing them down from crashing

>>514806702
>immigrants are why my life sucks and can’t afford a house

Mental illness

>>514806633
>nobody denies but me that immigration is bad
Fixed you.

Keep going guys, this Bud is showing cracks at the seams.

You know, if you said we needed immigrants to prop up the inflated housing market you'd actually have a point, but so far your points have been nebulous and wishy washy.

Here's your soap, Bud. You'll be showering with that group over there, the bankers responsible for the 2008 financial crash.

>>514806849
>Mental illness
Modern day nuspeak for heresy.

>>514806604
My grandparents bought a large house with a large garden while working in a factory. My dad was a globe trotter and he paid for it with small jobs he did between his journeys.
Can I do that? No because first the factory are in China now and working provide pocket money due to all the demand for jobs and all the people who are looking for housing: there is simply too many people for the size of our job market and housing park and importing 5 more millions violent retards, half of them islamists isn't going to help.

>>514806849
>wrongthink!
Typical dogmatic cultist.

>>514806956
None of that is because of immigrants, you’re blame has been media

>>514807011
>>514806849
>i said so!
Not an arguement, retarded faggot.

>>514806579
I see, so you ARE in fact a poor loser because you're stupid and don't work. It's cool, I'm sure in 2 more weeks you'll start the revolution against people in their 80s and take what's owed to you.

>>514806633
I do.

To be more fair, I admit is it good for rich people and I admit that it make the line goes up.
The line, however, isn't in my plate.
As for the country, it come with making the country divided, prone to infighting and that have a much greater cost than whichever benefit your graphs are showing.

And that's if you don't count the increased burden on welfare.

>>514807102
>the economy got worse

>and that’s why immigrants are bad!!!!!

Rested tier logic

>>514807011
Ah yes the journalists are the ones opening that loot box up and stealing things that don't belong to them.

>>514807138
>it’s immigrants fault we have a welfare system

>>514806807
Yes. I have seen a village where they had only one industry in mining. In just one year, the boss have fired everyone and hired Spanish people for half of the price. That was decades ago, but everyone remembered this story perfectly well.

>>514807167
Yes yes yes totally buddy sure buddy sure

>>514795996 (OP)
>But if we don't have slaves then cotton will get more expensive!
Leftists, 1860-present

The best thing about the Trump administration is that he's turning Democrats into lolberts.

>>514807227
And I’ve seen one where Irish and Italian immigrants boosted the economy, making it more affordable for Vanderbilt to build another railroad due to increased demand. This rail project created tens of thousands of jobs

>>514807192
In a large part yes, they vote for it.
Ho, yes, they have the right to vote now, and they are 30 or 40% of the population.

>>514807256
>we need to pay dishwashers more than Bezos and Elon because we just have to!!!

>>514807281
I’ve been a lolbert sense Ron Paul in 2012.

The funny thing is he turned Lolberts into economic leftists

Illegal invaders are good for the Jews economy.

Not so good for everyone else.........

Where are these so called benefits the invaders are suppose bring to my country.....all I see is my country getting worse.

What good is it to gain the world if you loose your soul in the process.......

America is loosing it's soul.

Don't care I'll pay the anti-brown tax. Fuck nonwhites.

>>514807300
And this is why democracy is dogshit

>>514807293
Have the immigrants created the rail project, or did their presence denied new opportunities to the locals?

Again, immigration is great for the capitalists as it lower the cost of labor, but the working class pay it dearly.

>>514807281
The melt down from these faggots the second you suggested you have to provide ID to vote is all I ever needed to know about their beliefs.

Either they believe niggers are too retarded to be able to get ID or they believe illegal immigrants are voting in their interests and voter ID harms their chances of being elected.

>>514807011
Why are you here?

>>514807400
Both. They employed both people.

Again, immigration boosts everybody’s standard of living

>>514807350
>>we need to pay dishwashers more than Bezos and Elon because we just have to!!!
Oops you said the quiet part out loud. You want immigration to continue so the negotiating power of the average American is non existent. This mask off moment has been enlightening as to your intent in this thread.

>>514807393
>>514807525
It's clear your party doesn't actually know what the fuck it believes, which is typical of a party taken over by women. Get back with us when you have a coherent platform that anyone would believe from you well-known liars.

NOBODY is going to vote for more immigration. Drop it.

>>514807525
Without immigration, they would have needed to hire the locals at a higher price.
This, you might argue would have resulted in a smaller, more cohesive society, but the working man would have more wealth.

>>514807572
Fun fact: both the right and left wings of every country in the western world was against immigration. Every country in the western world had immigration.
I have been told that I must give my life to protect democracy.

>>514807139
>>the economy got worse
>>and that’s why immigrants are bad!!!!!
Yes as they are one of the reasons why its happened.

>>514806807

people did see it yeah ,unions and everything lost their power around the same time.
the power of purchasing has decreased due to a number of factors ,immigration has been one of those factors.

>>514807525
>Again, a tide of feral shitskins somehow magically boosts everybody’s standard of living

>>514807525
By everyone, I assume you mean Jews....

How does importing third world trash make my country a better place, I remember how America used to be, it's way worse now.

>>514807719
The truth is, there is no left wing in any (((western))) country. Capitalism is right wing. Identity politics is right wing. All this shit is right wing and always has been. That's the reason the CIA is so active in trying to prevent any actual leftist movement from forming - because it would put an end to this fucking nightmare.

>>514807569
Your masked slipped off

You just want to become the elite

>>514807619
Which would mean cost of production higher which means less produced which means local people will have less wealth because the society will have produced less

>>514807994
>Echolalia
Yeah, like I thought. This is a fucking bot.

>>514799623
No, it isn’t stupid. What you refer to as “grade school economics” is in fact a reductionist oversimplification designed to introduce economic thought to juveniles. Moreover, you stated several blatant inaccuracies. Real wage is not “purchasing power”. Real wage is no nominal wage adjusted for the rate of inflation. It implies purchasing power but it is not purchasing power nor is it precisely adjusted for purchasing power. You also stated that where immigrants are deported, the cost of labor necessarily increases. Not only is this not true as there are no immutable causes and effects in economics, but it’s not even clear whether you’re referring to nominal or real wages as both can be considered the “cost of labor”. Furthermore, cost relative to what exactly? You never say. If my labor cost margins are pinned at 10% of my revenue andthe wages I must pay workers goes up but so too do the prices of my goods and thus my revenues, in that sense not only have my labor costs not risen but think about what this further implies. The cost of living (purchasing power) changed and yet you explained earlier that real wages imply purchasing power. So what you really want to say is that somehow, magically, without any clearly identifiable reason, your purchasing power necessarily goes down when immigrants are deported, which is just objectively untrue. It’s also a non-sequitur to say that farmers have to make costly investments in automation. In economics we refer to such investments as capital (k) or technology, but it’s not necessarily the case that they have to make costly investments or even any investments at all. Sometimes another cost of labor just eats into operating profit margins and that’s that. The idea that you won’t see even a nominal wage raise is fucking retarded, too retarded for even a high schooler with basic introduction to economics to say it. I could go on but you get where I’m going with this.

>>514807139
Explain what you don't understand. We had functional countries, we got shit done. After the Americans bombed us back to the stone age, we rebuilt in two decades and we had a good life. We invested in the future and were optimistic about it.
Then we allowed 20 millions of browns and blacks, and now we are broke, can't do anything, talk about defaulting on our debt and if the shooting start in only 40 years that would already be great.

>>514807797
Immigration has slowed down the fall of purchasing power

Unions are also bad, they’re economic cancer for labor markets

>>514807830
>kicking out immigrants magically raises wages

>>514807981
Trump is left wing, he’s buying out American companies (socialist) and supports social security

>>514805235
Cool non-rebuttal

>>514808040
You clearly know absolutely nothing about economics besides extremely oversimplified shit that’s made to teach kids.

>>514808074
>Immigration has slowed down the fall of purchasing power
Parroting same phrase over and over like npc.
You must be LMM bot

>>514805421
>When does the benefit of mass immigration kick in?
Um, sweaty, we have gorillions of taco trucks. Benefit achieved

>>514808061
So why don’t we focus on solving problems rather than scapegoating immigrants and brown people?

>>514808074
>>kicking out immigrants magically raises wages
Yes.

>>514808089
There was nothing to rebute, just someone lying about immigrants causing the decline of America

>>514805649
fuck this obvious troll

>>514808074
>>kicking out the reasons for low wages magically raises wages
Take a guess.

>>514808198
>brown people
It is wrong and sick to call wild animals people.

>>514805866
yeah, i know but show me a thread that isn't buddy.

>>514805731
> “He who looks to past and the present is certain to miss the future”
Shitlibs are obsessed with the present

>>514807981
Capitalism got mankind out of poverty.
Now, starvation only exist due to the action of the government or to the absence of government.
Explain why this is bad.

I assure you that my country have a left wing. They are as desilusional than the old ones, but they still exist.

>>514807994
I want the working class to have a fair pay, call than an elitist if you want, I don't care.

The cost of production would be higher because the wages would be higher. Look at Switzerland: wages are insanes because they have a low immigration, but that also mean less is needed. They have a good country and mine look like Uganda in comparison.

>>514806162
i know that Mr Fucking Motivator, did you miss the bit about me not giving a fuck or something? ive been fitter than anything you can possibly imagine.

>>514801787
About what? Economics is inexact “science”. We make models to make predictions but these are based on a combination of theories and observations. In economics there are no hard and fast laws as there are in physics and so it’s impossible to say any one model has any degree of certainty. We can only say what we’ve seen and what seems to be the case, and then crunch the numbers. Pretty much all economists agree that foreign labor has a tendency to juice operating margins by providing a steady supply or relatively cheaper labor. But the keyword is relatively. All that means is it’s cheaper than domestic labor. Nothing more. It doesn’t necessarily mean these firms will go bankrupt, it doesn’t necessarily mean those jobs won’t be filled by domestic workers, it doesn’t even mean the foreign workers were even needed in the first place. Probably, we will see commodities produced by industries heavily dependent on immigrants have higher costs in the short term to even medium term. What happens in the long term is unclear. The incentive will always be to either a) charge higher prices for domestically produced commodities or b) have them produced by cheaper laborers, either here or overseas. So just how much firms prefer b over a depends on what happens with the domestic consumers. Will they be willing able to buy more expensive commodities? It’s doubtful but we will see. But we are also talking about extremes here. For example, what is the right number of deportations that takes downward pressures off wages but doesn’t risk inflating the cost of those commodities too much to where consumers won’t buy them? Very difficult to say before you reach it.

>>514798096
This is obvious bait

>>514808168
> no u
Go back to class kid. Otherwise point out one statement I made that was wrong.

>>514808074
Quiet bot. You already failed your Turing Test. Replying to me now won't change that.

>>514808362
Look at the Congo, they have no immigration, in fact they have negative immigration, they have net emigration.

That’s what happens when you don’t have immigration

>>514808362
Then why is most of mankind in poverty?

Neoliberalism isn't just a false god, it's a DEAD god.

>>514808438
Nominal wage increase - inflation literally refers to your change in purchasing power

>>514808074
>kicking out immigrants magically raises wages
Correct. What do you think those farms, constrution sites and restaurant will do once they run out of slaves?

>>514808198
Because they are a massive drain to our economy, our public finance and have turned one of the best country in the world into a shithole.
My grandfather never had a lock on his door. He didn't wanted one. And that was not seen as weird back then.

>>514808198
>So why don’t we focus on solving problems rather than scapegoating a problems?

>>514808520
We have to change the definition of poverty once in a while.
>>514808487
I can't tell if you are serious? People who would think that exist, you know?

>>514808647
You literally used Switzerland as an example against immigration. I can’t tell if you’re serious

>>514808423
when you deny reality, like you do, such things must appear to be bait.

>>514808487
Or maybe thats because its full of 80 iq shitskins.

>>514808534
The solve the problem rather than blame immigrants

>>514808703
You are clearly trolling. Nobody in Canada opposes immigration

>>514808647
>We have to change the definition of poverty once in a while.
Oh believe me, we are ALL aware of how neoliberal propaganda works by now. It's easy to always be right if you keep changing what words mean.

>>514808700
Compare their level of immigration to ours.

>>514808737
But immigrants are the cause of most of our problems. Public spending, security, human decency, intern division.

>>514808521
It’s not a question of simply subtracting inflation, bud. There is a specific formula for deriving real wages and you would know it if you had ever taken even macro 101. But to be clear, purchasing power is implied. Real wages and purchasing power very closely related but not one and the same. Real wages is literally just nominal wage discounted for inflation. It’s based on wages. Purchasing power is what any one wage, real or nominal, can procure. When real wages rise, purchasing power goes up and when real wages descend purchasing power but purchasing power considered in isolation takes into account more than just wages. Real wages are in effect the real “value” of wages whereas purchasing power refers to the commodities that a wage can buy, which are not necessarily synonymous with said value.

>>514808878
But check Congos level of immigration compared to France

>>514808781
>you are clearly trolling
>i am clearly trolling
boring obvious troll is boring and obvious.

>>514808737
>The solve the problem rather than blame problem

>>514808913
You have clearly never taken an actual economics course

>>514808982
You are boring, you’ve been talking about pizzas and writing bait

>>514808976
>>514808487
Causation != correlation
Your own words.

>>514808244
Yeah it's clearly a child or a liberal arts student who read the first chapter of the communist manifesto and thinks it now has all the answers.

In every instance this retard has assumed that population growth will generate resources at a rate greater than the increased strain on finite resources (water, land, infrastructure in general) yet every single economic indicators of productivity consistently shows a decline; productivity being a per capita metric, it tells a story clear as day. More people means less for each person.

It might not be a troll, it might be a Jew trying to spread discord amongst the gentiles. We will never know unless sheckelstein decided to post his nose for some reason

>>514808854
Remeber the starving kids the boomers got to see on TV? Now it's about malnutrition and they don't die unless their government use the lack of food to do an ethnic cleaning.

>>514808781
Justin wanted his country to have as many people as the USA and invited one million people per year. Without any investment on any infrastructure nor any housing project.
EVERYBODY oppose immigration in Canada. We are not 4 years ago.

Importing third world trash is going to magically fix this....

Muh purchasing power.......

>>514809076
>less resources per person

Child’s understanding of economics

>>514809011
I teach economics courses actually. I already said that. You are confusing real wage with purchasing power. They are not one and the same.

>>514808383
>ive been fitter than anything you can possibly imagine.
foh sue

>>514808976
They should produce instead of stealing what other people do.
Ho, Congo have worse massacres than Gaza right now. The war refugees from Ruwanda have formed armed groups who took control og the mines of whichever thing they have I don't remember, and they are have a level of violence that only the cartels have, but they use it against everyone who isn't them so they can claim to be the people who live here.

This is what immigration have done to Congo.

>>514809099
Canadians are mostly French

Every French person is for mass migration for the same reason all Canadians are for it

>>514809298
> Importing more jeets is going to create more water and more land
A faggots understanding of economics

>>514809267
Ah yes because importing migrants magically won’t raise the value of the dollar

>>514809308
No you don’t, and if you do, what an embarassing educational institute

>>514809267
To be fair, the FED caused that one, not spics.

>>514809361
>import genius Jeet
>he works for Microsoft
>Creates A.I that can desalinate water for dirt cheap
>drinkable water supply skyrocketed

>>514809342
>Canadians are mostly French
Jesus, open a map and compare Quebec to the rest of Canada.
Things as so bad in Canada that when a Canadian is sick, they kill him and take an healthy immigrant instead.

>>514809432
Microsoft haven't made a good product since 2001.

>>514809515
Forcedfeeding Quadriplegics who are begging for death to stay alive is better than euthanasia

>>514809432
> Import genius Jeet
Your theory fails on the first line. The vast majority of imports are doing unskilled labor. Furthermore the entire premise of this thread has been that mass immigration improves purchasing power amongst the middle class by lowering Labor costs, a genius Jeet working on AI powered desalination in Microsoft is the opposite of low cost Labor producing goods.

You've contradicted yourself yet again champ

>99pbtid
>muh gdp
don't care, they're all going back, kike

>>514809627
Have you seen what they kill people for? Feeling down. Being poor. Needing an OP.
When a teenager don't feel too well, he call the suicide hotline and get an appointment for being killed.

Again, we are not 40 years ago, but this one problem don't come from imigration.

>>514809688
A genius JEET that somehow makes fresh water abundance with new technology will absolutely lower costs and raise real wages via innovation.

No contradiction

>>514795996 (OP)
>comrade newscum
I'm NOT voting for a fucking communist....

>>514809837
Can we keep this one and eject the 10 millions others?
>No it would be racist
Then I am a racist. And Mirosoft is only the shadow of what it one was, like Apple or Google. Have you noticed a common point?

>>514809837
Nobody has argued against the import of genius jeets. You're making up an argument that didn't exist and arguing against it. You've been repeatedly told the concern isn't immigration and a concept, but the application of mass immigration of low skill labor. The statistics released by the department of Labor clearly show the vast majority of immigration is low skill.

>>514809837
Waita minute, this isn't a genius pajeet. This pajeet is just wasting the money of the company he was put in charge of to increase his ESG ratting.
You have lied to me once more.

>>514810076
Either way.

If somebody comes into the country and produces more than they tax, if they are employable (meaning they produce more than they cost) and they pay more in taxes than they take in services… then they are a net wealth generator for the country.

This includes people who come in and just work the fields

>>514809393
>>514809386

Yes I understand that, OP is saying importing other countries trash is some how going to fix it, it won't, it can never be fixed.