Thread 514834779

At least somebody is waking up to this tipping madness. If folks can't afford a Big Mac they sure as hell can't afford a Big Mac + tip

https://nypost.com/2025/09/04/business/mcdonalds-demands-restaurants-pay-staff-minimum-wage-quits-powerful-group-over-tipping-fight/

>>514834779 (OP)
>tipniggers get their scam blown up by mcdonalds of all people
god I hope so

>>514834779 (OP)
Looks like wagies are still gonna be paying taxes, sad but somebody has to pay up

>>514834779 (OP)
he's right. I can barely afford the meals I buy, if I made good money and had extra I'd tip good every time

>>514834779 (OP)
Fags that seethe over tips are all consummate cowards.
Normal people:
Want to tip:
>tips
Doesn’t want to tip:
>doesn’t tip
And never thinks about it
Faggoty cowards:
doesn’t want to tip:
>tips anyways
>seethes uncontrollably
>demands non-tippers be FORCED to tip by the state because they are to cowardly to not tip

There is nothing more pathetic.

>chili's can offer cheaper burgers because their staff are tipped
>McDonald's can't compete
>McDonald's calls for an end to minimum tipped wage
Sounds like excuses, tipped staff still have to make at least minimum wage so the employer ponies up if tips don't cover it. More likely chilis can subsidize better burger deals with alcohol sales, appetizers, and more expensive entree options and McDonald's is just trying to get good press out of the general population's ignorance of how tipped wages work

>>514835492
The argument here is about using tips as a replacement for paying the employees. A business can pay $2.13/hour as long as the employee receives enough tips that 2.14+tips = the Federal minimum wage of $7.25. It is just being incredibly cheap and Jewish, they can still their employees a normal rate while receiving tips. Then tips are like what you described rather than making up their hourly wage.

>>514835492
if they give shit service they get a shit tip. it makes them give good service.

>>514835794
bro why pay staff at all... just have them donate labor to big corpo and beg for tips on the street and call the cops on anyone who doesnt tip for defrauding investors

its the american way

>>514834779 (OP)
Mutts have been tipping for their Mchappy burgers this entire time

Anyone who supports tipping is either jewish or very low IQ.

>>514834779 (OP)
>If you are a restaurant that allows tips… you’re essentially getting the customer to pay for your labor,” he said.
This is a retarded statement.
The customer is paying for the labor and everything else either way.
If you got rid of tipping, you will have to increase your employees' pay to be just as much or more than they were earning with tips, or they'll all quit and go work somewhere else that does.
That money for the increased wages has to come from somewhere. Pretty much all restaurants are already running on razor thin profit margins and have already cut everything they can possibly cut, so the only way to get more money is by increasing menu costs. So now it cost the customer the same price or more to buy a no-tip Big Mac as it did before for a Big Mac plus tip.

>>514836440
>Anyone who supports tipping is either jewish or very low IQ.
Anyone how hates tipping is either a turboautist or a nigger. They are too low IQ to understand that the stingy faggots who currently don't tip or leave smaller than average tips are who would be hurt the most by getting rid of tipping.
Getting rid of tips doesn't mean the menu prices stay the same and there's no tips anymore, it means the menu prices will have to increase and you no-tippers will now be forced to pay the equivalent of a tip.

>>514834883
This will make them realize how useless they are too. Real people will work there now, not sociopaths manipulating you for money

>>514834779 (OP)
if you consume goyslop in the same place over time... will you get nasty shit in your food for not tipping?

>>514834779 (OP)
Just in America you have this retardment that a subgroup of workers are not entitled to minimum wage because jew pilpul nº26742.
If you work, you NEED to receive a minimum, doesn't matter what you do.

>>514835492
>Normal people:
>Want to tip:
>>tips
>Doesn’t want to tip:
>>doesn’t tip
yeah that's how it used to work but the flip side was
>provides poor service and is terrible at their job
>doesn't expect a tip and tries to improve
now is
>exists
>"where my tip nigga shiet"

>tips
>mcdonalds
What?????

>>514837385
>now is
>>exists
>>"where my tip nigga shiet"
I have never in my life had anyone demand a tip like that.
Even in walk up fast food type places where they now have the POS systems where you use a tablet and it gives you the option of adding a tip, it's always completely optional. And if you don't leave a tip, the POS generally doesn't tell the employee if you don't leave a tip, and they generally don't care anyway.

>>514834779 (OP)
I dated a Thai girl with a degree in hospitality management. She said tipping was good because it let people pay what they could afford. Some people couldn't afford to tip, but they still deserved a nice meal. And those who could afford to pay more would offset that loss. She was fresh off the board and still naive to niggers. She was skinny but got really fat within 6 months.

>>514836018
>Nooooo the state should FORCE me to pay more for food
You are the coward retard I was mocking.

>>514836144
>>514837385
Why the fuck are y’all even responding to me?

>>514834779 (OP)
Good for mickyDees I’ll grab a large fry and a sprite tomorrow

>>514838937
Dumbass if you want cheap food learn to cook
>>514839141
That'll be $6

The BS is the cut wages in food service with the assumption tips will hard carry. Tips should be a bonus only, not part of wage calculations. The simple truth is a lot of businesses just aren't viable unless they are shitting on their workers and paying them slave wage.
They should go under...

>>514834779 (OP)
Tipping needs to end. It should be used to prop up staff wages. Businesses should go out of business if a no tip model isnt sustainable. But for some reason americans love that tipping shit, they love having their asshole tongued for 20-30%. You're also ruining the world, by taking your tip culture elsewhere

>>514839218
Is this whole thread bots? wtf even are these replies?

>>514839362
Imagine being such a faggot you care what manner food service workers are compensated in on the other side of the planet.

Get help you dumb nigger.

>>514835794
>tipped staff still have to make at least minimum wage
They do not, retard. Minimum wage and tipped service wages are different.
For example, I live in Florida where the minimum wage is $13, soon to be $14, but tipped wages are $10.98

>>514839440
You're ruining other cultures, with your own retarded culture, but you're calling me dumb? You're clearly a 60 IQ nigger that works in food. You're letting the business off the hook, and putting the customer on it. You disgusting, dirty fucking nigger

>>514839633
Tell me who is affected negatively by tipping
>you can’t

>>514839703
The customer is you stupid cunt, because you're expecting them to prop your shit wages up

>>514839750
Hey retard, tipping is OPTIONAL. They can write a big fat zero.
Meanwhile, your 50 IQ solution:
>force those customers to pay more

Your “solution” causes the exact problem tipping prevents you stupid fucking nigger.

>>514839850
Tipping is optional? Why do you lose your mind, give poor service, or give no service at all without tip then nigger?

Here is how business works. Businesses cost their product or service, the customer decides whether to pay it or not. The end. If they've got a viable business, it thrives, if they don't it goes out of business. You're irrelevant in this. The business pays a wage, you decide whether to take it or not.

But then we've got 60 IQ niggers like you, that have discarded that, "hey, tipping me, keeps your prices lower because the business doesnt have to pay me, you do"... lmao what, are you retarded

>>514840145
Yes, it is optional you stupid faggot.
You know what isn’t optional? Paying for the wage increases at the restaurant. That goes right on your bill.

How fucking stupid are you? Your SINGLE complaint about tipping was the cost being passed to the customer, and your only solution is… to pass that cost to the customer

So you go from optional to mandatory.

Great job, you dumb faggot.

>>514834779 (OP)
I hate tipping so much.
Some skank that won’t blow me, expects me to spend extra money on her for doing the bare minimum of what her job is? I don’t care if they don’t pay them enough. It’s their job. They wanted the job.
Why don’t they just let me fuck them in the back room then, and make some serious money.
Even a quick BJ would be 50$ she can spend of weed and her mixed kids.

Next up is some immigrant delivering food, demanding money.
Sure. I pay for the food. I pay for the delivery. And when it’s cold, soggy and missing items, they will soon expect me to tip for that as well.

>>514840145
>Tipping is optional?
Yes, obviously. Calm down anon, you're not making sense.

>>514834779 (OP)
Nobody tips at fast food restaurants in Germany. They are considered discounter level and we don't tip the cashier in a discounter or any supermarket either.

>>514840320
Its not optional, because you can't live on your basic wage, and you do not provide a satisfactory service without tip. How fucking retarded are you.

What part of you're irrelevant, do you not understand. You should be irrelevant. You shouldnt be able to use a tip auction for service, you shouldnt be able to push tip boundaries to combat inflation.

You should have zero control control over pricing, zero. You should be paid a basic wage. If you like it, you apply. If you don't you fuck off. Whatever price the business sets, and whatever price the customer accepts, is nothing to do with you.

Lots of homeless people chose to cut loose from this shit. American workers are treated like disposable commodities to be used until they're no longer fit for purpose

>>514840471
You aren't supposed to here either. McDonald's employees are paid their state minimum wage, not the tipping wage. All fast food joints are run like this, but for some reason the greed of asking for tips at these places has been spreading and becoming more socially acceptable.
Fuck if I know why though.

>>514840515
It is very literally optional you stupid fucking nigger. In the same way customers paying for the increased wages is very much mandatory.
You are such a fucking retard.

>>514840515
>Its not optional
It is.
>you can't live on your basic wage
That is irrelevant to it being an optional gratuity.
>you do not provide a satisfactory service without tip
The check is settled after the service has been provided.
Do British restaurants really bill you before you eat?

>>514840750
He’s a moron, don’t expect him to make any sense.
He doesn’t want to pay extra, so he DEMANDS the price be increased.
It’s terminal, I’m afraid.

>>514834883
>>514834779 (OP)
>hurr durr the free market will never balance itself
those commie faggots lookin real stupid about now

>>514839218
Here’s 11.89
Put the fries in the bag
Keep the change

>>514840750
>>514840799
How is it optional, when you need that money? How is it optional, when you provide no service or a less service?
How is it optional, when you've contributed to a culture of, it is expected?

>The check is settled after the service has been provided.
And...... you lose your mind if no tip. If you're a regular, a known no tipper, you hold that against them in future.
>Do British restaurants really bill you before you eat?
They should.
>He doesn’t want to pay extra, so he DEMANDS the price be increased.
I want you removed from the bill. You shouldn't be relevant. The business should pay you a basic wage, and you should deliver a great service. The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it. Customers decide whether to pay it or not, if they don't, you go out of business. How about, pay a higher basic and attract a higher caliber of staff? But you should have zero say in this either which way

>>514836144
>asks for tip before service provided
>min wage cashier crinkles nose and checks tip before preparing your food in the back room

>>514840615
>but for some reason the greed of asking for tips at these places has been spreading and becoming more socially acceptable.
It started during covid. People were going to sit down restaurants less or not at all, and going to take out type places more. People started being more generous about tipping to help the struggling service industry workers or whatever. And over the last 10 or so years, most places have upgraded their POS to have a touchscreen for the customer to do their thing. And at the same time, most people today are paying with a card or phone and don't carry around a lot of cash to throw in a tip jar on the counter. Restaurant owners leave the tip option enabled because it's optional. The people who want to give a tip can do so, and those that don't can skip it.

>>514841158
It’s optional because you don’t have to tip, you unbelievably dense faggot.
Once again, I point out your “solution” to passing OPTIONAL costs to the customer is to pass MANDATORY costs to the customer.

Your solution HURTS customers, who you claim are the only people negatively affected by tipping.

>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
Absolutely unreal. This stupid fag wants to FORCE BY LAW customers to pay 30% more to… help the customers?

Nigger.

>>514834779 (OP)
Mcdonalds is unironically paying prison convicts more money than small liberal businesses who rely on abuse to run.

>>514841158
Your phrasing is becoming harder to understand and less correct grammatically the angrier you get.
>How is it optional, when you provide no service or a less service?
>How is it optional, when you've contributed to a culture of, it is expected?
These are not proper English sentences. They make no sense.
>How is it optional, when you need that money?
This is proper, but the perspective is wrong for the argument we are having.
I don't care how much the waiter needs money, my giving a tip is optional no matter how broke he is that week.
>And...... you lose your mind if no tip
There's that fucking wrong first person point of view again.
What language do you speak natively? It doesn't work the same as English.

>>514838296
Tipping is just used by owners to be able to underpay their staff, and the staff are also greedy faggots that love tipping as they can make 2k a week just from tipping.
Bartenders and waiters make as much as mid tier accountants, I know this since I used to work as a busser for a couple months for my cousin who owns a place and I would be there when he would be making the cheques. And keep in mind this was in a mid tier city, so I imagine in the really big cities they are printing cash.

>>514841292
>to help the struggling service industry workers or whatever.
Except that a cashier at Subway was still making their state mandated minimum wage. The fact is that a lot of places that don't pay tipping wages are asking for tips anyway, which is bullshit beyond the tipping argument as applied to actual tipped industries.

>>514841436
You're retarded, its been explained to you 3 times.

Legally you don't have to tip. Damn, you've got me. But that is fantasy and you're hiding behind it. Because the reality is, you sow the tip narrative because its in your interests to do so. An expectation to tip, doesnt come from nowhere, its because you've push that agenda. Furthermore, as previously noted, you do hold no tippers or low tippers accountable. But accountable for what? paying the price the restaurant set? what other obligation should the customer have? You having some spare cash for weed and xans? You lose your minds when finding out you've got no tip or low tip. In many other situations, a service is denied because of historical no tip or low tip. So you are enforcing it, one way or another. You should not be allowed to do that

>>514841829
> Legally you don't have to tip.
Oh wow holy shit you mean ITS FUCKING OPTIONAL?
Unlike, for example, INCREASING THE OVERHEAD OF THE BUSINESS?

So, once again, you want to FORCE customers to pay more (even 30% more, according to you) instead of giving them the option to pay zero or whatever they want extra.

Fuck off, kike.

>>514841829
>commas, commas, commas, when they, are not actually, needed
Jesus Christ.

>>514841158
>And...... you lose your mind if no tip.
Not really. If it's a one-off thing, the waiter might roll their eyes when they realize it, but no one is going to flip out over it.
>If you're a regular, a known no tipper, you hold that against them in future.
Yes, if you get a reputation for cheaping out and never leaving tips, people will hold that against you as they should. If it's bad enough you definitely will get lower quality service if not be banned from the establishment.
You are gaming the system and basically stealing free labor. If you don't tip, the employee who was providing service for you doesn't get paid. It's one thing if you don't pay them because the service was bad, but if you are routinely not leaving tips just to save money, that's morally theft.
>The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
>Customers decide whether to pay it or not,
So just a more retarded version of tipping.
>if they don't, you go out of business.
Pretty much every restaurant that tries to eliminate tipping and pay their employees a fixed wage is a disaster and almost immediately goes out of business. No workers will want to work there because they will make more at a place that has tipping. Customers will stop going there because your menu prices will be significantly higher than they should be. Cheapskate no-tippers definitely don't go there because they can keep gaming the system and paying less at the tipping restaurants.
>How about, pay a higher basic and attract a higher caliber of staff?
Literally none of them would work at a place with no tips. The best waiters and bartenders at nice restaurants in major cities often earn six figures precisely because of tipping. It would be a massive reduction in income to get paid whatever you consider a high basic pay.

>>514841982
You refuse to give up that control, and you're calling me a kike. You're playing mental gymnastics. I used 30% because thats what you faggots have pushed tip to. 2%, 50%, factor it into the price, and the customer pays it or they don't.

Business overheads should be passed onto customer, or absorbed, depending on the business and profitability. The customer decides to pay it or not. Why are you part of that equation, why is it variable, why are you enforcing it. Its nothing to do with you and I want that control taking from you.

>>514841808
So don't tip them? I don't know why people get so buttblasted over an optional thing. If someone wants to give the subway cashier a tip, they can do so, and if you don't want to, you don't have to.
I do not understand why people get so adamant about getting rid of something that is OPTIONAL.

>>514842118
>So just a more retarded version of tipping.
>Pretty much every restaurant that tries to eliminate tipping and pay their employees a fixed wage is a disaster

Thats how the world works outside of the USA.... you're not retarded obviously, the rest of the world must be lmao...

>>514842248
The point of tips is to supplement the wages of people who work in an industry with a wage that is less than that of the minimum wage.
People making the minimum wage or higher and having the audacity to ask for a tip as well is shameless greed.

>>514836440
You tip at a restaurant with a server or for some services like valet but companies are trying to exploit tipping so they can pay their employees less while doing basic shit

>>514842204
>Why are you part of that equation,
Because he's the customer, you dumbfuck.

>>514842283
>Thats how the world works outside of the USA....
Yes, and the quality of service in restaurants outside of the USA is typically significantly worse than that of restaurants in the USA, primarily because of tipping.
Restaurant employees in the US who receive tips make much more money than people with the same job in a country without tipping.
In the places in the US where they have tried to increase minimum wage for restaurant workers and eliminate tips, the strongest opposition comes from those workers who those efforts are supposedly intended to help.

>>514842420
>The point of tips is to supplement the wages of people who work in an industry with a wage that is less than that of the minimum wage.
Or to reward people for doing a good job. Or just to be nice. It's optional, stop being so autistic about this.
>People making the minimum wage or higher and having the audacity to ask for a tip as well is shameless greed.
In these situations, the employee potentially receiving the tip isn't asking for it. The POS just includes an option for the customer to leave a tip.

>>514834779 (OP)
Sheeiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt
Id maybe consider a tip if I didn't wake up in the middle of the night barely able to make it to the toilet to spray mcdouble + mcchicken every time... even if it is a good system cleanser

>>514842625
>it's just the machine asking, bro, someone working for the company didn't program it to do that

>>514834779 (OP)
Restaurant niggers would still expect tips if they were getting paid $40 an hour and the tip jar would still be out. Fuck eating out out and the outrageous prices.

>>514842530
>the quality of service in restaurants outside of the USA is typically significantly worse than that of restaurants in the USA
You can't possibly substantiate that. It could be argued any which way. Culture of great service regardless, paying more to attract better staff, 10% is appreciated (not expected) somewhere but 30% has become the new norm in the US. You can't substantiate that claim in any credible way.

So lets spin this the other way, seeing as retards in this thread didnt like the businesses passing the true cost onto customers. As a customer would you prefer to pay 10%, already factored in, or be finessed out of 30%? (I know americans like getting their ass tongued for 30%, so I'm bearing that in mind, but remember, the world isnt america)

>>514842204
You are such a slimy kike.
I asked you to tell me who was harmed by tipping, you said
>the customer is expected to pay more
Your solution? FORCING THEM TO PAY MORE.

You stepped on a rake and have been coping ever since. I have no idea what the fuck your motives could possibly be for pretending to be this stupid, which is why I assume you are just a stupid fucking nigger or a slimy kike

So once again: you can not name ANY PARTY who is affected negatively by tipping, but you want to negatively affect EVERY CUSTOMER… in another fucking country.
Gas yourself.

>>514842887
>Your solution? FORCING THEM TO PAY MORE
Not necessarily. You're doing customers out of more money than the business would. If the business had to increase prices by 5% to retain staff of sufficient quality, customers would be paying less than you fleecing them of 30%

>>514842807
>people who have never eaten at a restaurant complaining about tipping
This thread is blowing my mind.

>>514834779 (OP)
I don't ever eat at McDonalds. But, even if I did, why would I ever tip a fast food worker?

>>514842807
Exactly anon, its because the staff don't give a shit about customers or service. But in other parts of the world they do. Thats why the couple of ihop fags in this thread have lost their minds. I could pay them 40 per hour, they'd still be trying to fleece my customers of an extra 30% otherwise they won't do their job

>>514843025
You have to be trolling me at this point. You think you can quadruple the wages of half the staff and it won’t show up in the menu prices?

Once again, your “solution” is to remove an OPTION and make it MANDATORY for customers to pay more.

There is no moving past this. This is the entire argument. You want to use the force of law to increase the prices for all customers.

>>514843165
lmao you want your wages quadrupled now? 17x4 for working as a waitress at ihop? You're trolling me kid. Get back to work wagie and earn that 30%

>>514834779 (OP)
As much as I hate McDonalds and corporations in general, I agree that restaurants being the only industry that doesn't have to pay minimum wage because they get to count "tips" towards peoples wages is bullshit.

Either everyone does or nobody does, no fucking exceptions.

>>514843248
I guess it’s just classic kike schizophrenia then.

Reminder, you want to use the state to force customers to pay more for food. You don’t really have any arguments to make.

>>514843370
>Reminder, you want to use the state to force customers to pay more for food.
You're trying to tax them 30% every time they go out to eat. But don't worry, its optional, I won't mind if you don't (I will), I'll use some discretion if I think you're a poorfag that can't afford 30%... its none of your business, you shouldnt be part of this

>>514843030
What part of that made you think he has never eaten out?

>>514836368
Yes, this is insane. I'm laughing my ass off. Tipping in a restaurant, sure. But mcdinalds? What next, tipping the bus driver? Do they do that?

Flipping burgers was never meant to be a living wage job. Minimum wage for jobs teenagers should be doing is just going to attract even more jeets here.

>>514843490
> You're trying to tax them 30% every time they go out to eat
This was very literally your idea, here:
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850


But you are a schizophrenic kike pilpulling for no fucking reason that has been forced to resort to full-on reality inversion because you have so completely destroyed yourself.

>>514843494
When was the last time you went to a restaurant and they put a tip jar on your table, anon?

>>514843619
The difference being, you are taxing people 30%, my suggestion was hypothetical (it could be 2%) versus your 30%. The point obviously being, the business passes the true cost onto the customer, or absorbs it. The customer would pay less, than you taxing them 30%

>>514843490
Standard tip is 10%, lunatic. Why do you keep screeching about 30%?
>>514843370
If tipped workers in my state started receiving minimum wage instead of tipped wage it would be a 7.7% increase for them. If the restaurant raised their prices to cover this new wage and did away with tips then my costs as the customer would actually decrease by 2.3%

>>514834779 (OP)
well most states have a state minimum wage higher than the federal minimum wage so this wont do anything

>>514843570
That's not true. The job is constant work, it's only simple, it's not easy at all. And you can actually live on a McD's wage, you just have to lower your expectations of what and where until you get enough pay-raises to make a comfy living. You can get really rich if you learn how to run one.

>>514843713
lmao 10% hasnt been the normal for at least 15 years. But the point remains, why would I pay you 10%, if the business could increase prices by 2% and get away with it

>>514843713
You think that if you increase the amount the business has to spend on payroll, they will have less overhead?

Why is everyone in this thread a street-shittingly retarded?

>>514843270
Tipped servers can make upwards of $40 an hour

>>514843698
Okay I guess it bears repeating…
This was very literally your idea, here:
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850 (You)

Again, your insane reality inversion is not helping you. Just take the fucking L.

I haven't been to an American McDonald's since 2002.

Do they really fucking take tips now?

>>514843667
They don't put it on the individual tables, retard, it's usually located on the counter near the cash register to encourage people to throw their change in it instead of having a pocket full of metal.
This is common in places like seaside bar & grill type places or hole in the wall pizza joints.

>>514843798
If you think a business can't retain better staff for less than the 30% tip shit staff are taxing customers, then you're probably the retarded one

>>514843870
Okay so you have also never been to a restaurant.

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

>>514843893
>muh 30%
Okay I guess we are going to copy paste this a lot
This was very literally your idea, here:
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850 (You)

>>514843851
I mean, in theory, a business could charge more than your 30% tip. But if you think you're somehow preventing that, you're playing incredibly elaborate mental gymnastics.

As previously explained, I do think a business could retain adequate staff for less than your 30% tax. Therefore the customer would pay less

>>514843570
The reasoning behind enacting the minimum wage was that any job, even flipping burgers, was supposed to be enough for 1 person to afford a 1 bedroom home or apartment.
>>514843798
>You think that if you increase the amount the business has to spend on payroll, they will have less overhead?
No, I literally said it would be a 7.7% increase for them and that menu prices would be raised to cover it.
How does that seem like I said they would have less overhead? You've also gotten so angry that you aren't reading properly.

>>514843047
I've ate in countless restaurants and tipped smartass.
I do particularly enjoy when I order a carry out pizza and pick it up myself from Dominos there's a Cletus or Tyrone still expecting a tip. They never get from me. You wouldn't understand you're probably a door dash ordering nigger.

>>514844012
>muh 30%
Okay here we go again
This was very literally your idea, here:
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850 (You)

I don’t know why you keep trying this reality inversion. But let’s go ahead and summarize again:
>you want to FORCE every customer to pay more for food… to save the customer money…

>>514834779 (OP)
no more tipping! if we all refuse to tip it will stop! be the change you want to see in the world!

Bigger tits = Bigger Tips
Sorry titlets, no refunds!

>>514844204
Anon, this is very simple.
>A burger costs $10
>Add in zero tip
>$10
Now, you increase the overhead of the business.
Does the burger cost more or less?

>>514843791
>if the business could increase prices by 2% and get away with it
They could not. As I said, if the tipping wage here were equal to the minimum wage the restaurants payroll would increase by 7.7%
Prices would have to increase by at least that much, but it would still be less than what customers currently pay.
10% is standard.

>>514834779 (OP)
Tipping at McDonald's is a thing? Ive never been asked for a tip

>>514835794
>chili's can offer cheaper burgers because their staff are tipped
If you have to tip, they're not cheaper.

Tipping is a bad system.

>vague rules
>rewards shitty people who pay less.
>engenders bad blood if it's not high enough
>varies massively
>incomprehensible to foreigners
Just pay them normally.
If they do a bad job fire them.
Simple as.

Only overpaid waiters like it. Everyone else finds it annoying.

>>514844235
Listen. Lets say a business needs or just wants to charge 30, 40, 50% more. If it was the correct business decision, they'll survive, if it wasn't, they'll die. So you can move away from 30% comment now, you've been hung up on it for an hour.

Do you think I can't replace you with 30% leeway?

>>514844244
No one is forcing you to tip, retard; and you don’t have to wait for others to stop tipping to do it yourself.

Fucking weak ass cowards.

>>514844260
This happens to me too. I know the girl is flirting with me for money but I still fall for it.

>>514837009
>the stingy faggots who currently don't tip or leave smaller than average tips are who would be hurt the most by getting rid of tipping.
And that's a good thing.

Why are you pro tipping again?

>>514844356
>muh 30%
Oh boy, it just keeps happening
This was very literally your idea, here:
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850 (You)

Again, your “solution” to “help” customers is to FORCE them to pay more… because options upset you or something.

>>514844427
> >the stingy faggots who currently don't tip or leave smaller than average tips are who would be hurt the most by getting rid of tipping
Which is why I think these people are all dumber than niggers.

Seriously, even fucking NIGGERS figured this out

>>514844260
>being a grovelling simp
If she's an attractive women or fat she gets nothing. Hoes need to get knocked down a notch.
Naturally ugly women get 10%.
All men get 20%.

>>514834779 (OP)
What does it say when a gigantic corporation like McDonalds needs to post free advertisements for themselves on the asshole of the internet built for racist NAZIs?
>Buy an ad you fags.

>>514844434
Lmao your brain is cooked, more than those waffles.

Lets use the other anons percentage, 7.7%. As a customer would I rather pay 7.7% or tip you 30%. I rest my case

>>514844507
You can tip ZERO you impossibly stupid faggot
>Noooo daddy government must FORCE me to pay more!

>>514834779 (OP)
If restaurants can't afford to pay a livable wage, they should go out of business. You don't need your fast food goyslop, you can spend an extra hour per week making meals in advance.

>>514844541
>living wage
Fuck off commie

Went to Baskin Robins last week and at payment the system asks for a tip. For a non sit down glorified street vendor. Shits getting crazy. I of course gave no tip

>>514844497
>men get 20%
Faggot

>>514844582
Seething fatass who can't cook worries about his McDonalds menu going up 5-10% :(

>>514834779 (OP)
Since when are people tipping for fast food unless its delivery? Thats not normal, we dont do that.

>>514844306
You're making a different argument than the one I am making and then claiming I said something I did not.
Here we go.
Your argument
>i pay 0% extra now, while others pay 10% extra
>if tipping wage becomes minimum wage and costs increase then i now pay 7% extra which is more than 0% extra
This is true, you personally would be paying more than your current zero tip.
Now explain to me how it is that if I say
>and in this scenario i pay 3% less than before
you read it as
>You think that if you increase the amount the business has to spend on payroll, they will have less overhead?
I am saying that the average person who tips would be paying less overall, that is not the same thing as saying that the person who doesn't tip would be paying less overall in this new system.
You feel that I am trying to counter your argument.
I am not.

>>514844731
Don't bother anon, he is clearly retarded. You can't win against such ignorance...

>>514844731
>what if we force everyone to pay more then some people who were previously being generous pay less
WHO FUCKING CARES!? Why the FUCK do you want to FORCE people to pay more?

>>514844840
Says the nigger who doesn’t like tipping so he demands to be charged more

>>514844935
>strawmans
Point in case

>>514835794
Are you so fucking retarded you don't realize chili's only pays their servers $2 and it's very rare their tips don't put them well past minimum wage? They will never be paying the difference because the customer already fucking is.

>>514844539
I would tip 0%, if you werent trying to get into an argument with me to ruin my night, or deny me an acceptable level of service

>>514844644
I respect my fellow man and reward them for their services.
You grovel for thots who don't even fuck you.
Gb2 onlyfans paypig.

>>514844841
I am explaining to you the real life logistics of the situation here.
I want people to be able to afford housing and get paid a decent living wage.
You are demanding that other people subsidize your meals.

>>514845010
Here is you demanding to pay more
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850 (You)

You have yet to give a single fucking reason why it is beneficial for customers to be forced to pay more.

>>514845114
Oh did the poor baby have his night ruined because he said a bunch of retard shit he refused to walk back?

Again, still waiting on a single reason why it is a good thing to FORCE people to pay more.

>>514845237
You aren’t helping anyone except a tax collector. Show me a single server demanding tipping be removed for minimum wage, you stupid commie.

>>514834779 (OP)
>our burgers are too overpriced
>our competitors (actual restaurants now) produce higher quality foods
This is literally because they don't want to make their prices more reasonable, hilarious.

>>514845339
>Oh did the poor baby have his night ruined because he said a bunch of retard shit he refused to walk back?
lolwat I was role playing being in a restaurant and being attacked by you because you didnt like my tip. What a retard.
>Again, still waiting on a single reason why it is a good thing to FORCE people to pay more.
I'd rather pay 7.7% more than get into a fight with a wagie inside a restaurant because she's grown accustomed to 30% being the new normal. 7.7% versus 20, 30% = I'm paying less

>>514845339
Tips are already taxed, dude.

>>514845542
>I want to force everyone in another country to pay more for a meal because I’m a coward
And there it is.

>>514837922
Bullshit. I went to a fast casual teriyaki bowl place a few weeks ago. All you do is stand in line and order at the cash register, and a few minutes later someone hands you a bag of food. After I ordered, the cashier turned the POS around and I promptly hit $0.00.
As soon as she turned it back around i could see "that look" in her eyes. I sat in the empty waiting area as a half dozen zoomers in the back kitchen chatted loudly while making my food.
One of the zoomers said "Hey you didnt get nothin?" To which the cashier replied in a sarcastic tone "I guess I didnt do my job well enough." The zoomers went silent for a few moments then burst out laughing and went back to their chatting.
When the food came out of course they "forgot" to put my sides in the bag. At that point I just dumped the whole thing in the trash. No way am I risking to eat whatever bodily fluids the zoomers put in there.
Food workers and delivery people are literally holding your food hostage and engaging in biological warfare for tips its fucking ridiculous.

Fast food businesses have been trying to sneak mandatory gratuity fee in to bills for years. It's insulting considering how little effort and interaction fast food work involves.
>the guy in the back heated up some frozen stuff and I shoved it in a paper bag. where's my tip?
Just make your own food. It's cheaper on the wallet, produces more meals for your buck and is healthier for you. Fast food is the original goyslop.

>>514845757
Hold your horses anon. Youre taxing everyone 30%, you're making them pay more. Not tipping is unheard of in the US. Furthermore, what about americans travelling abroad taking their 30% tip culture with them, taking their "heres some cash just please leave me alone" culture, youre making everyone else pay more. You know everyone else goes abroad and the first thing they say is "I'm not american, nice try". Also, imagine going to a country where tipping is actually frowned upon, that will really make your brain frazzle

>>514845953
>muh 30%
Are we seriously doing this AGAIN?
This was very literally your idea, here:
>>514841158
> The business should set the price, if that means 30% extra, so be it.
I have instead been suggesting you write down a big fat zero on the tip line, as seen here:
>>514839850 (You)

Holy shit get better material.

>>514846006
You're basically a wagie cuck on steroids. I've pulled your mindset apart. You're defeated

>>514846416
Your entire thing this whole time is
>I demand everyone be FORCED to pay more because I’m too much of a pussy to tip zero

You disgust me.

>>514846452
To be honest, I was being generous by suggesting the business could increase prices by (lets say 7.7%). How about you earn 15 instead of 17, thats a fair wage. But I shouldn't be losing out either way, 7.7% versus your 30% tip, you earning 15 instead of 17. I shouldn't be losing

>>514846764
>maybe if I demand everyone be forced to pay more because I’m too much of a pussy to tip zero, that will prove him wrong

Don’t think it landed, bro.

>>514846836
Your retardation came in loud and clear. I'm not sure you're hearing it though. Your point has no foundation, because 0 tip isnt the norm

>>514846836
>>514846920
This was meant for the wagie defending 30% tipping btw*