Thread 514859361

What do pagans actually believe? What do they believe their gods to be? What do pagans believe is the origin of the underlying structure or order of the universe? What is the origin and purpose of being and existence? What about the afterlife, do pagans believe in that?
Genuinely curious, I'm never able to get a straight answer

they are just racists that only believe the mouths made by white people, just because jews created christianity they think it's not worthy

My advice? Do a bonfire.
Collect the sticks and branches. Build your fire in a silent place, near water if possible. Bring a sacrifice, or carve an idol out of wood while the fire is catching. At dusk, light the fire. Try singing as you walk around the fire, whatever comes into your heart, even primal noises. Then after the sun has set, cast your sacrifice into the fire.
If you have a group, all the better, feel their emotions play off yours in the flickering light of the fire as darkness falls upon the world around.

It's quite an experience. You can feel the spirits around you. Search your feelings, feel yourself changed by the sacrifice.

>>514859615
So no straight answer? Just vaguery?
I get feelings and experiences while praying or at Church or even when reading the Bible, why would I need to reinvent the wheel?

>>514859615
So, the experience a fucking bum or a fucking spic high on peyote.
Fuck you for making us lose our time, Yamal

>>514859361 (OP)
These values

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe?
pic related used to be earths original sun before the capture event ca. 7000 years ago.
thats why you find saturn at the top of every pantheon the world has ever known.
>What do they believe their gods to be?
aspects or characteristics of the Saturnian Sun.

>>514861152
>thats why you find saturn at the top of every pantheon the world has ever known.

Find me the Germanic Saturn.
The Egyptian Saturn.
The Inca Saturn.
The Aztec Saturn.
The Celtic Saturn.
The Hellenic Saturn.

Come on now.

>>514861076
Values are not an answer to my questions

>>514859361 (OP)
From what I gather, they're just "spiritual" and they're attempting to connect to this spirituality through their ancestral religion. All religion comes from the same place, and different tribes crafted their own stories on top of it.

>>514861277
>All religion comes from the same place

Freemasonic Perennialist garbage.

Kys.

>>514859361 (OP)
>pagans
Unserious christkike nigger thread. This is like asking if "foreigners" speak french. Stop believing in jewish fairytales.

>>514861273
Your questions are within semitic framework

>>514859361 (OP)
Read Plato. Christianity copied most of its stuff from him and Zoroastrianism.

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe?
Absurd question. Pagans aren't a single entity, and are defined simply by not thinking the tribal deity of world jewry is the creator of the cosmos.
>Genuinely curious
Doubt it. But what you're looking for is called a classical education and used to be taught to all Europeans of any value not even a century ago. Try going to your local library and find the "classical" section.

>>514860823
>Sumerian
>Mesopotamnian
>Hindu
>Greek (or Roman)
>Germanic / Scandinavian
You are under the influence of an old wheel already reinvented. All the ones listed are just examples of belief systems that evolved completely without the concept of the Christian god.

>>514861334
I'm an atheist, you retard. All religions start with people receiving "revelations" about the nature of world and other people buying into it.

>>514860823
>why would I need to reinvent the wheel?
Lol. Our ancestors probably thought the same when they were forced under threat of capital punishment to accept the opinions of a pharisaic rabbi mohel jew as unquestionable truth.

>>514861505
>All religions start with people receiving "revelations"

This nigger.
You cant go beyond your judaic-semitic framework.

Muh rebelations.
Muh holy book.

Kys.

>>514861444
No, they're within a metaphysical framework

>>514861345
This. Internet christians like to lump Helenists with Asatru, Celts, Buddhists, Shinto, Hindus, etc. and think it's some gotcha moment when these different faiths don't have some umbrella unifying doctrine with each other. They're all stinky pagans, so they must believe the same things, surely.

>>514861457
Plato was a monotheist though. He didn't believe in Zeus or other greek gods

>>514861237
I'm not defending his broader point, and I've only thoroughly studied a handful of our pantheons, but I can give you this:
>Find me the Germanic Saturn.
Most likely Odin.
>The Hellenic Saturn.
Kronos.

They all rule over the afterlife for the heroes (Elysium/Valhal), are the father of God (ie. Thor/Jupiter/Zeus), are associated with harvesting (both men and corn) and are propitiated around a solstice (Saturnalia, Yule - and Kronos was near the Summer Solstice).

>>514861459
>Absurd question. Pagans aren't a single entity
Then fucking just answer the question from your own position, holy shit
you niggers are genuinely insufferable, how can you not answer BASIC fucking questions?

>>514861345
>>514861759
you're doing whatever you can to avoid answering very simple questions
you are COWARDS

>>514861776
He was not a monotheist in the Abrahamic sense.

>>514861457
To clarify your point: temple judaism copied most of its stuff from Plato and Zoroastrianism, and christianity evolved out of temple judaism amidst hellenized sects of jews, making christianity even more Platoesque than the rest of judaism.

>>514861776
>Plato was a monotheist though. He didn't believe in Zeus or other greek gods

This kankernederlander.

Thats why Socrates died with Asclepios in his mouth.

Kys.

>>514861796
There is no equivalent in Germanic lore to Saturn.

Not even a day dedicated to Saturn.

Odin is Hermes/Mercury. Psychopomp god with mystery knowledge (Hermetic Tradition).

Chronos was defeated by Zeus in the Hellenic framework.

Chronos was never a god, and got no veneration.

>>514859361 (OP)
Fallen angels they worship. So do atheists ironically. There are possessed people or voodoo bots here who promote paganism and other antichristian things so thats some indication.

>>514861237
>Find me the Germanic Saturn.
Odin/Wodan/Woutan
>The Egyptian Saturn.
Ra, Atum Ra, Horus, Osiris and many many others.
>The Inca Saturn.
Viracocha
>The Aztec Saturn.
Xiuhtecuhtli was also known as Huehueteotl
>The Celtic Saturn.
Lugh/Balor
>The Hellenic Saturn.
Dionysus

>>514861879
Indeed. Neoplatonism also directly influenced Christianity. Even though its thinkers were anti christian pagans.

>>514859615
Me here demon in chest and light bonfire
>incoherent noises

Come on bro

>>514859361 (OP)
They don't believe in anything, it's just a larp.

>>514861662
He's right. Roman paganism was founded on Numa receiving revelations, Etruscan paganism on Tages receiving the Disciplina Etrusca, Vedic paganism on the Rishis receiving the Vedas, and Indic paganism on the Magi receiving the Avesta. Celtic paganism was rooted in Druidic revelations.

Prophecy is not a "Semitic" concept, it is integral to every religion.

>>514861942
They are light gods and who do you think is the light bearer

>>514861982
>who do you think is the light bearer
still the same Saturnian Sun.

>>514861965
>Roman paganism was founded on Numa receiving revelations

Numa got his legislation from Egeria. Not the religion you dimwit.

These niggers are natural muslims/jews.
They cant see past the semitic nonsense.

>>514861832
Can you ask question that isn't retarded?

>>514861832
>please answer on behalf of most members of the human genus throughout time and space
>holy shit
>you niggers
>how can you not answer BASIC fucking questions?
Learn how to communicate better and you might get what you want more often.

>>514861942
>The Hellenic Saturn.
>Dionysus

Nigger wut?

>Odin
Hermes
One of the names of Odin is Irmin.

>Lugh/Balor
Literally equivalent to Apollo.

>>514859361 (OP)
i dont believe in any faith-based religious myths because im not a fucking retard. i think pagan is really broad term for non-abrahamic spiritual beliefs, like believing crystals have healing energy and other moronic crap like that.

>>514862060
If someone makes a question directed at Christians, I'm not gonna go
>"UHMMM ACKSHUALLY THERES A MILLION DENOMINATIONS AND YOU'RE A RETARD WHAT A DUMB QUESTION DURRRRR"
I'm gonna answer as a Catholic because I'm a Catholic and I'm not a fucking PUSSY
(You) are a PUSSY
COWARD

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe?
actual ones? you're here to get good, at everything.
>What do they believe their gods to be?
Imagine the best human you can, with powers or whatever. Just some real bad ass motherfucker. Imagine yourself aspiring to be like that, and them inspiring you.
>What do pagans believe is the origin of the underlying structure or order of the universe?
there is no origin and no end. It just is. Its always "been", past present and future is human perspective, time is illusory.
>What about the afterlife, do pagans believe in that?
Varies a lot i would say you're reborn as a better man if you've done well in other lives. You downgrade if you've been a shit human so to speak. But some souls have managed to cheat this system and get away with the most evil things and still manage to grow stronger. So in the end its all about power.
>origin and purpose of being and existence?
To gain power, not just material. Spiritual power of sorts.

>>514861898
>worshipping European gods makes you demonically possessed

yes we know christstains are anti-white marxists. no need to remind me

>>514861897
>There is no equivalent in Germanic lore to Saturn.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We have very little lore available for the Germanics to compare with, but I drew three basic comparisons in my last post which remain unadressed.
>Not even a day dedicated to Saturn.
Completely irrelevant. Not every single detail of two entities need to match up for them to have the same origin. Indra wields a mace, Thor wields a hammer, but they are clearly both the same God.
>Odin is Hermes/Mercury.
I highly doubt it. I think the Interpretatio made a mistake here. I'd argue that the most likely candidate for Hermes/Mercury is Ing, but the sources are too limited to make strong assertions.
>Chronos
You're confusing Kronos (ie. Saturn) with Chronos (ie. Time). That's a later conflation due to folk etymology and some comparable themes: time devoures all etc. Kronos was propitiated, like Saturn was, and like it appears Odin was at least every 9 years at Uppsala. But in all cases they are not strongly attested in personal names or place names, and there is little to no evidence of widespread cults to them in the home.
>never a god
Saturn isn't a god in the Olympian sense either, but he fathers the first gods.

>>514862069
>Nigger wut?
Eusebius Pamphili (260-340 A. D.) already knew that the Greek Dionysus was the equivalent of the Egyptian Osiris.
He knew about this equation from Plutarch (c. 46-120 A.D.) and the even earlier Herodotus who lived in the 5th century B.C.
The similarity between Dionysus and Osiris, moreover, did not merely concern their histories as civilizers, but even their rites.
These similarities, however, are not restricted to Dionysus and Osiris, but are common to various other Saturnian deities.
(There is also some indication that, in some quarters, Dionysus was identified as an alter ego of Helios who was the original Greek name of the planet Saturn.)
The association of time with Saturn explains why the much later festivals of the New Year were devoted to Saturn in his many guises. We should therefore not be surprised to find that among these festivals were those held in honor of Dionysus, who is not only identifiable as the Saturnalian king, but also directly as the Saturnian deity.

>>514862027
I had this one laying about in my folder.

>>514862424
>most likely candidate for Hermes/Mercury is Ing

These niggers.

Ingui-Freyr is the phallic/fertility god.

The symbol of the Irminsul, the winged tree.
Its literally the symbol of the Hermetic Caduceus.

Go sleep.

>>514862138
What would you say are the odds of you getting what you want while acting like this?
Did you grow up without a father by any chance?

>>514861863
>>514859361 (OP)
I believe in the existence of the gods, all the gods. I believe they are real entities that exist on a higher plane than we do here in the material world and are able to enact physical change through their actions. I believe in an afterlife, where our souls are shards of greater spirits that climb up and down the ladder of reality in cycles. The purpose of existence is to exist, we are eternal, all the world's a stage and we are the players.

>>514861832
>christcuck complaining others can't answer questions
Lol

>>514862157
Holy shit an actual answer to my questions. Thank you.

If I understand correctly, you're describing a system of progressive reincarnation towards some sort of Ubermensch, which is itself a divine archetype, is that correct?

>there is no origin and no end. It just is. Its always "been", past present and future is human perspective, time is illusory.
What does it mean to you for time to be illusory? Hasn't physics demonstrated that time is a physical phenomenon?

And I'm still wondering where the actual structure of the universe comes from. Why are the laws of physics the way they are? Why is logic the way it is? Is there an objective truth? And if so, where does it come from?

>>514862560
>>514862702
People are actually answering the questions now, so you have no excuse

COWARDS

>>514862069
>Odin
>Hermes
The myths of Odin/Woden and Hermes/Mercury have absolutely nothing in common.
also much like the Saturnian deities of other nations, it was Odin who was said to have created the world.
Known by the epithet Alfadir that is, Allfather Odin was also, like Osiris/Saturn, known as the creator of the gods.
>"Odin may justly be called All father, for he is verily the father of all, of gods as well as of men, and to his power all things owe their existence."
Like proto Saturn, Odin was said to have resided at the cosmic centre, known as Ginnungapap, that was also called the Navel of the Earth, alternately alluded to as the "Navel of Heaven" that, was believed to have been situated right "in the centre or Pole of heaven so in the North where we also find all the other Saturnian deities.

>>514862575
>our souls are shards of greater spirits
Are these greater spirits the gods? Or are they distinct entities?
And what's the source and origin of it all?

>>514862517
>Ingvi-Frey
Ingvi-Frey is not Frey. Frey means Lord or Master. Ingvi-Frey means Lord of Ing in the same way that Mortensen means Son of Morten. Ingvi-Frey is an epithet of Thor, which is why his hall is described as the largest.

Regardless, I did not say Ingvi-Frey, I said Ing: the patron god of the Ingvaeones (friends of Ing), and likely therefore also of the Angles, and therefore the entire Anglosphere. Who are the most mercantile of all the Germanics?

>The symbol of the Irminsul, the winged tree.
May I see a source that describes Irminsul as a winged tree?
It means "great pillar".

>highly emotional
Maybe it is you who needs some sleep, anon.

>>514861076
Funny it doesn't mention Jewism or Islam

>>514862731
And yet you won't get one from me until you learn to communicate like a man.
Consider this me stepping in where your father failed.

>>514862898
blah blah blah
keep crying cowardly bitch, i don't care what you have to say

>>514862797
This anon gets it.

>>514862866
St. Dennis, your patron saint, is literally Dionysus.
lol

>>514862819
>Ingvi-Frey is an epithet of Thor

The levels of delusion.
In Uppsala three different statues.
Odin for Jarls
Thor for Karls
Ingui-Freyr for Thralls

>>514859361 (OP)
Anon, weren’t your “pagan” ancestors converted to Christianity many hundreds of years ago? Isn’t most knowledge of prechristian religions mostly unknown?

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe?
themselves
>What do they believe their gods to be?
their ancestors
>What do pagans believe is the origin of the underlying structure or order of the universe?
differing opinions
>What is the origin and purpose of being and existence?
differing opinions
>What about the afterlife, do pagans believe in that?
yes, and... differing opinions

>>514862948
I'm not catholic nor orthodoxe/protestant, try again find another bias

>>514861776
>Plato was a monotheist
lmao

>>514862948
Please provide a source to back up that claim.
My copy of Adam of Bremen's work (who is a christian with limited understanding obviously) calls him Fricco IIRC.
And also, consider taking a nap. You're pretty cranky and I've been nothing but polite to you.

>>514862069
>Literally equivalent to Apollo.
no.
Balor, he of the single flaming eye, whose name is ultimately derived from bhel, and thus equivalent to Beli or Bel.
He who once had been a celestial divinity was turned into a terrestrial king.
Despite this metamorphosis, even though the idea has not been widely accepted, the characteristics of Balor have been compared to those of the Sun.
That Balor, however, had been a nocturnal sun (same as Osiris) is indicated by his title.
He was known as the King of Night.

>>514862949
>Isn’t most knowledge of prechristian religions mostly unknown?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_literature

>>514863090
Belenos
Belbog
Apollo
Lugh (Lugos) - literally Light God

Go wank to your saturnian nonsense over with the muslims.

>>514863080
Fricco is the latinization of Freyr you idiot.

Thralls work the earth, hence they have a fertility god. Phallic symbol.

Karls are warriors, hence the warrior god. Symbol of the Hammer.

Jarls lead and command, hence the God of Kings.
Symbol of the Spear.

>>514862797
> was believed to have been situated right "in the centre or Pole of heaven so in the North where we also find all the other Saturnian deities.
But this doesn't make sense. the planet saturn is south with the planetary precession.
elaborate or tell me more...

>>514863211
Fuck me you're dense... Obviously it is, but it does not say "Ingvi Frey" which is your claim. Now post some source to back up your claims or shut up and take your damn nap you absolute toddler.

>>514863033
Form of the Good nigga

>>514863275
>Obviously it is, but it does not say "Ingvi Frey" which is your claim

Freyr is a title/honorific meaning Lord.
Frauja is the Gothic honorific for Lord.
Frau is still the honorific for Lady in German.

Ingui or Ing is his true name.
Most likely cognatic with the Vedic Agni.

>>514861965
weird nafri brainfart, by this logic, Epicureans are either not pagan or "don't believe in anything"
"pagan" by the definition of semitic vermin and associated christcattle/muzzcattle is simply someone who does not believe in abraham and the prophets and his god

>>514862424
>You're confusing Kronos (ie. Saturn) with Chronos (ie. Time).
actually there is no confusion here.
Saturn is often associated with "Time" because when the capture event was happening is when Time began.
before that earth was a tidal locked satellite around Saturn and there was no day and night cycle.
only when it got closer to the present sun and its system it began to appear to move in the sky.
thats when people figured out how to measure time.

>>514863211
>God of Kings
PS. The source you're referring to refers to Thor as the mightiest and compares him to Jupiter.
I am familiar with the mainstream notion of the tripartite caste system based on Rig's Lay, but I do not see what you claim in any source.
Note that Mjølner evolved from the same striking implement that became the mace and eventually the royal scepter: a kingly symbol.
The spear is not broadly associated with kingship specifically, but is almost universally associated with masculinity (see the symbol for male, for example) as it is phallic and the primary weapon of the common warrior.

>>514863259
>But this doesn't make sense.
before the capture event, as already mentioned, earth was a tidal locked satellite of saturn. like the moon is to the earth now.
saturn in this position appeared to be stationary in the northern sky and it was much closer to the earth than the sun is now.
actually it was filling a big chunk of the sky.
after the capture event saturn ended up in its current orbit. whole thing looked something like in the webm.

>>514863275
>>514863211
alright alright alright
you two are haggling about theology like a bunch of abrahamist.
guys, its okay to disagree without killing or name calling

>>514859361 (OP)
They don't. Paganism doesn't exist. 100% of "Pagans" are divided into two camps, people who hate Christianity because asdffgh and Atheists who have tacitly admitted that their religious positions are hollow and boring and yearn for something deeper, but don't have the rocks to actually adopt a real religion. Instead they surround themselves with symbols of something dead--as their faith is dead--and try to convince themselves that these dead symbols, for aligning with their nonexistent faith, actually herald a sort of divine necromancy--the idea that they can spawn into existence a religion that fits the contours of their mutilated souls instead of having to take the plunge of actual faith and believe in something that requires transformation.

In all cases the Paganism isn't actually real or the point. Nobody prays to Odin expecting to be heard, they do it to try and spite the Christian God, or to worship themselves through an acceptably abstracted proxy. As you can see this sort of thing has not been working out for them at all. The high-point of "Heathenism" was like ten years ago, coinciding with peak Reddit atheism to create this era of slop-religion with no actual content except for narcissistic political posturing.

Perhaps some very narrow sliver of people possess some actual connection to Pre-Christianity in the form of folk traditions or even familial traditions, but much as a bunch of Mexicans becoming "white supremacists" do not actually become Aryan, a bunch of deracinated urbanites from the West whose entire society is metaphysically Christian cannot simply "become" pagans. Paganism in its time was not simply a sports Jersey you wore to signal which team you were on, it was an entire metaphysical worldview, a broad set of philosophic axioms without which it does not actually exist, and neither you nor anyone else today holds to those.

>>514862711
>a system of progressive reincarnation towards some sort of Ubermensch, which is itself a divine archetype
yes but its not an archetype, the inspiration comes from when gods walked the Earth, literally in flesh and blood among the them. Thats where the legends come from. They taught humans how to advance and be like them but the knowledge is lost.
> Hasn't physics demonstrated that time is a physical phenomenon?
from our perspective of course it makes absolute sense to distinguish past present and future, but try to think outside your perception. Are events really happening in sucession? how could you tell? we can tell by movement of stars and planets, from our point of reference. We measure time as movement of bodies. What if nothing around you was moving including yourself, how could you tell the pass of time? only your breath and heart palpitations, but if you werent human and didnt have those?
>actual structure of the universe comes from
there is no "come from". There is no structure to speak of. Its an eternal, inmeasurable infinity full of possibility, the material realm.
>Why are the laws of physics the way they are?
They couldnt be otherwise, we study what is. You wonder if any other way could be possible, you lose your mind because we are only humans.
>Why is logic the way it is? Is there an objective truth? And if so, where does it come from?
It all comes from how our minds work, which some would say come from how the gods mind work. Deduction, math, logic. Come from one god. Art, sensuality, music would come from other, etc. These are the archetypes you speak of

>>514863684
>before the capture event, as already mentioned, earth was a tidal locked satellite of saturn. like the moon is to the earth now.
>saturn in this position appeared to be stationary in the northern sky and it was much closer to the earth than the sun is now.
>actually it was filling a big chunk of the sky.
>after the capture event saturn ended up in its current orbit. whole thing looked something like in the webm.
How long ago was this, and how would we even know this is true?
I'm fine with you believing this with no evidence btw. some things are left with guesses. lets not pretend to be scientist if we don't have answers, because even they don't have all the answers

>>514862816
We're far down here, you can say we are a shard of a shard of a shard. Climb high enough and you'll get to a god eventually.
As to the source of it all, it's like a primordial goo, to be crude. Consciousness has the potential to spring from it, but it itself is not conscious, it just is. It would be like calling a house a tree because it is made of wood. The gods are the house, this source energy is the tree.

>>514863409
>still no sources
At least you've stopped namecalling for no reason. Progress.
>let me tell you about your language
Thanks, but there's really no need. See the previous example of Morten-sen.

No more (you)s until you post a source for your previous claims.

>>514863675
>The source you're referring to refers to Thor as the mightiest and compares him to Jupiter.

Donar/Thor - Hercules
Tyr/Tiwaz - Mars/Jupiter
Odin - Hermes/Mercury

This is interpretatio romana.

>The spear is not broadly associated with kingship specifically

Literally no.
The sword was considered the weapon of kings in Germanic cosmology. Since swords were extremely expensive and status symbols.

The Spear of Odin, Gungnir.
Much like the Spear of Mars in Rome.
Was the symbol of the Right and Law. Order. And the protection of the Urbs.

This is no surprise. Since the Germanic word for king is Reiks. Literally meaning Ruler/Measurer.

>>514863760
this is just a load of nonsense from a hillbilly uneducated christcuck who doesn't even understand the concepts he is explaining

>>514859361 (OP)
It's storytales for weak low self-esteemed men, just like Marvel is to faggots and troons. Then they picture themselves just like the idols they worship even though non of them have ever sailed a ship, or fought against an enemy. Most of them are larpers, the only ones who could be considered pagans today is the sentinel island niggers and the jeets.

>people claiming to be pagans ITT but arguing like abrahamist and seething when someone doesn't agree with their opinion
bros... you're still a christian even when you think you're not

>>514864028
This is polite banter. Nobody is calling for anyones murder or persecution.

Arguments between men dont look like your sunday school christcuck.

>>514863777
>yes but its not an archetype, the inspiration comes from when gods walked the Earth, literally in flesh and blood among the them. Thats where the legends come from. They taught humans how to advance and be like them but the knowledge is lost.
Ok, so gods were real incarnated beings? Did they die?

>from our perspective of course it makes absolute sense to distinguish past present and future, but try to think outside your perception. Are events really happening in sucession?
You're just deconstructing here. You're not offering up a real alternative explanation. If time is not passing linearly the way we thinking it is, what then is the true nature of "time"? Is it like a spatial dimension that we simply "move through"?

>there is no "come from". There is no structure to speak of. Its an eternal, inmeasurable infinity full of possibility, the material realm.
If there is no structure, why is there consistency and predictability? Why are there patterns that repeat?

>They couldnt be otherwise, we study what is. You wonder if any other way could be possible, you lose your mind because we are only humans.
Did the laws of physics not apply before human beings existed?

>It all comes from how our minds work, which some would say come from how the gods mind work. Deduction, math, logic. Come from one god. Art, sensuality, music would come from other, etc. These are the archetypes you speak of
Ok, so this is interesting. You're saying that the nature of reality comes from Divine Minds? And each Divine Mind is responsible for some aspect of reality?
Can these Divine Minds ever be in conflict? If so, what happens as a result?

>>514863852
You were referencing Adam of Bremen with your trinity of gods in Uppsala, not the Interpretatio. Stop running.
>Gungnir
You're presupposing that Odin is the God of Kings. This is circular logic.
>Spear of Mars
Mars is not the God of kingship, law or justice. He is the God of the masculine, of the warrior (and farmer). Again, see the symbol for male. It is a shield and a spear.
>Ruler/Measurer
Completely unrelated to the topic of spears.

>>514863837
>Consciousness has the potential to spring from it, but it itself is not conscious, it just is
This is interesting to me, it sounds like you hold the emergentist view then. My question is, how can consciousness arise from non-consciousness? What is the nature of consciousness?

>>514864077
i'm not christian. i just don't understand why theological debates among non jews turn into insults.
blood>beliefs.
just believe what ever empowers you bro.
and a lot of these deities are not exactly 1:1 but rhyme a little bit. some gods encompass multiple deities

>>514864086
>Mars is not the God of kingship, law or justice.

In Rome he was.
And Tyr, often coupled with Mars, was the god of the Althing, held on Tuesdays, his sacred day.

Odin/Wotan was the god of the Jarl caste in Germanic societies.

Hence why all Germanic kings derive their ancestry from Odin.

Be it Ragnar Lothbrok, the Volsungs or Hengist and Horsa.

Much like most Roman families held that they were descendants of Mars and Venus.

>>514864028
>>514863690
Don't worry about it, anon. I don't mind the disagreement on a theological level at all. In fact, I think we should have heated debates on these topics so we can better understand our Gods and our forefathers. I'm only frustrated on a scholarly level.
>you're still a christian
There are no christian in my lineage in living memory.

>>514863824
>How long ago was this
ca. 7000 to 10000 years ago, so on a cosmic scale this is very recent.
>and how would we even know this is true?
all ancient cultures, all religions talk about this capture event and made similar observations.
there is also lots of geological and astronomical evidence.
like for example the vast electric scars on the earth like the grand canyon or the eye of the sahara or these basins at the north pole, the moon with its "lava tubes" which is also electrical damage, but also on mars like the Valles Marineris etc.
then there is also the matching planetary tilts, the (in the mainstream) unexplained planetary formation, the discovery that freefloating brown dwarfs are common in the universe etc.
basically there is a huge mountain of evidence.

>>514864181
>just believe what ever empowers you bro.
new age liberal hippy shit
We're discussing real sources, real traditions, real Gods, not feelings and vibes.

>>514862731
what bible translation do you use?

>>514864210
alright maybe i was wrong
>'m only frustrated on a scholarly level.
scholarly not like a monk attacking a 'heretic' but in the hermetic/thoth way can be admirable.
>>514864326
do you think people had a comprehensive idea of what god did what at all times? or perhaps the gods changed depending on your particular circumstance. you lived a life of war, are you going to be worshiping a fertility god or a war god?
it is realities and 'vibes' if you will. its not a literal bible, dork.

>>514859361 (OP)
>>514860823
We believe the same thing as Israelites and every other religion believed.

The most high in Abrahamic beliefs is a great spirit. In pagan beliefs you have this same great spirit at the top except they call him chaos. It’s believed chaos is an eternal spirit that existed before creation. Same as the Tetragrammaton. It’s all the same stuff basically.

>>514864195
>In Rome he was.
He was the patron god of Rome, not the cosmic God of Kingship. That's Jupiter. You know this.
>Tyr, often coupled with Mars
Incorrectly so. Tyr is almost entirely unattested, and his name just means "god", so it is not very clear what he is.

Stop running and engage with my previous posts. I grew weary of playing catch up to your constant topic changes.

>>514864384
I'm not married to just one, but I mostly use Willibrord for Dutch and whatever english Catholic translation I can find for English

>>514859361 (OP)
>what are gods
Cultural stories which are constructed aesthetic narratives which include moral values, archetypes of human behavior (in that culture), and explanations of certain cultural phenomenon.
>underlying structure and order of the universe
Beyond our comprehension, clearly there’s an order and structure, one big difference is people aren’t created equal, some are born better than others, some born with more capabilities than others.
>purpose of being and existence
First to survive, then to achieve something great. To push the boundaries of what is capable
>afterlife
The main goal is to live on by the actions of your life, this can be easily achieved through having children, but also through glory.

>>514864384
>>514864472
Translations themselves don't matter too much, so long as you get ones that have the Old Testament book list based on the Septuagint. The later jewish medieval Masoretic Texts leaves out a shit ton which just happen to provide more prophecies of Christ

>>514864600
>Translations themselves don't matter too much
you should try my translation then.
I translated every word into swastikas.

>>514864658
Do your gods approve of purposeful obtuseness?

>>514859361 (OP)
that everything abrahamists believe is anthithetical to divinity irl

>>514864706
>Do your gods approve of purposeful obtuseness?
They approve of mocking the insane, as long as it's respectable to some degree and not over the top :^)

>>514864658
>swastikas
FYI thats also a Saturnian Symbol.

>>514864588
>Cultural stories which are constructed aesthetic narratives which include moral values, archetypes of human behavior (in that culture), and explanations of certain cultural phenomenon.
So they're more like ideas than real beings? Jungian archetypes?

>Beyond our comprehension, clearly there’s an order and structure, one big difference is people aren’t created equal, some are born better than others, some born with more capabilities than others.
If there is an order and a structure, what do you think the source or origin of it is?

>First to survive, then to achieve something great. To push the boundaries of what is capable
How do you determine if something is great?

>The main goal is to live on by the actions of your life, this can be easily achieved through having children, but also through glory.
But once you're dead, you're just dead, correct? Your consciousness ceases and it's nothing?

>>514862424
>Odin was at least every 9 years at Uppsala
Saros cycle, every nine years a lunar eclipse. you're welcome. look into lunar alignments in uppsala.

>>514864455
I don't know why you'd even associate the word "scholarly" with monks and heresy.
>do you think people had a comprehensive idea of what god did what at all times?
I don't know what "people" you're referring to specifically, but yes, our ancestors certainly had a comprehensive and extremely complex understanding of the cosmos, where each god held a specific place and function (as is evidenced by their names almost always representing said function). As their culture degraded, this became more and more confused and lost, even long before christianization, but rust in the machine does not mean the machine doesn't have a purpose and a specific way of running.
> or perhaps the gods changed depending on your particular circumstance.
Nonsense. Mars is Mars is Mars. If you want protection for a journey at sea, you don't just turn Mars into a maritime god. You propitiate Neptune.
>its not a literal bible, dork.
In the context of discussing our ancient sources, it is a literal bible, except much more comprehensive and written in many more languages across a much longer span of time.
You can go be a new age touchy feely hippy anywhere you want, and I don't even think you should be prevented from doing so. But in the middle of a scholarly debate on the sources isn't the best place for it.

>>514864781
God is the source of the patterns in nature, silly. What do you think John 1 is about?

>>514864658
lol
My favourite translation of the bible removes every word written by a semite.
Here's the result:

>>514864600
Coward can't answer a question
Typical chrigger

>>514864819
What makes you say that? I've seen it associated strongly with Mjølner, with the symbol even replacing the word entirely. And Mjølner is the symbol of God (Jupiter/Thor/Zeus/etc).

>>514864961
But I did, I literally gave you an answer. This was a very poor attempt at a gotcha

>>514859361 (OP)
They are just gaytheists who are afraid to slit a goat's throat.

>>514864080
>Did they die?
No, they're immortal thats why they're gods
>real alternative explanation
Exactly, there isnt, from our point. Its like asking a blind man to tell you which color you're wearing. All im saying is we are blind and there are colors. We cant see them, but they exist. If you become a god then you'll see too.
>what then is the true nature of "time"?
Time is just a word we made, to define what we percieve. Nothing more. In reality the 'concept' is probably much more complex.
> Why are there patterns that repeat?
im talking about the universe in general, it doesnt have a form. Of course planets and their orbits do follow structure, but the structure is in the law of physics itself not the object, nothing is "guiding" them or making them move.

>Did the laws of physics not apply before human beings existed?
yes i never said otherwise, just that we cant imagine any other way of things working. We give names to things we observe, such as a law, and physics as the study of material world. Asking why the laws are the way they are is like asking why the trees are green. We can explain why it makes sense for us that a leave is green for example, but not the why the laws are such that the leaf ended up green to our eyes, understand?
> the nature of reality comes from Divine Minds
no reality just is, it doesnt come from any Mind.
The Divine Minds (gods) evolved within this reality, as beings which advanced through multiple incarnations. How they came to be or how they achieved immortality is a mystery that only themselves can answer, if you happen to contact any of them, and even then you probably wouldnt understand in our primitive state

>what do hundreds of different religons believe
what a nigger you are
what an absolute retard
apologize to me for existing

>>514864928
christianity is just another saturn worship religion.
christmas is around the same time as saturnalia/kronia and remember the bearded old guy living at the north pole?

>>514864846
That seems likely, yes. I'm not deep into the astronomical lore yet, but picrel might interest you or anyone else who is.

>>514864850
live, laugh, love.
now we're done with that.
you do know the core of all this, which I'm sure is less interesting to you, is animism... right?
I can, to some degree, understand the abrahamic cult trying to get back to the level of no depictions of the pagan gods... because, with animist 'religions' they didn't depict them either (shintoism/tengri).
So the question really I'm posing you, is how far we want to go back really?
I can make arguments from apollo being a god of wolves/wind/solar and poseidon being god of horses.
You're a little to fixated on things that are always changing.

>>514864819
but nasa put a picture of a hexagon on it, its all over now. saturn has been claimed by these bagel sniffing demons!

>>514864844
Good questions

>so they are more ideas than real beings
Somewhat yes, but many were real people, some cultural hero of the past, who’s stories got exaggerated overtime and made more legendary and somewhat turned into an archetype later, probably it’s best to see them similar to how orthodox view saints.

>source of origin
The source of order would certainly be beyond the gods, (as I explained above such gods could not create the order but are a function/explainer of that order), so it’s often shared as an idea of either some naturalistic process, similar to the development of a tree. But it’s left largely fully unexplained. There are also karmic elements to this order.

>how to determine if something is great
That is inside the confines of a specific culture, so it’s collectively determined by the society you live in. If the vast majority of your community value and think it’s great, then it is.

>dead no consciousness
There’s some idea that consciousness is spread down to your ancestors, without them you are dead. With them your consciousness reappears in part, such as our current consciousness is parts of our ancestors.

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe?
If you kindly consult the chart sir.

>>514865004
Imagine trying to lie here, lmao, typical christgolem
Question was what translation you use, you couldn't even answer that... Sad

>>514864997
the swastika is like the "squatting man", it is basically a giant plasma discharge in the sky that was visible everywhere, so there was this huge pillar of light (plasma jet aka birkeland current) connecting the saturnian sun with the earth.

Obligatory

>>514865106
Yes, but there's nothing really christian about christmas. Most of our festivals predate the christianization. The church just had to cope and seethe about Europeans doing European things until they figured out to just slap a jewish label on everything we did and claim it was for the glory of the jewish tribal deity.
>>514865117
>you do know the core of all this, which I'm sure is less interesting to you, is animism... right?
Yes, if we're using scholarly labels, I consider myself an animist first, and a polytheist second.
>I can, to some degree, understand the abrahamic cult trying to get back to the level of no depictions of the pagan gods
Well isn't that interesting that you called us too christian, huh?
>animist 'religions' they didn't depict them either
You have literally no reason to believe this is the case for Europeans.
>I can make arguments from apollo being a god of wolves/wind/solar and poseidon being god of horses.
Yes, obviously? Your point?
>You're a little to fixated on things that are always changing.
The immortals are cosmic beings. Show me the laws of the cosmos constantly changing and I'll believe that the gods are always changing.

>>514865251
the swastika wasnt visible directly on saturn it was in the plasma jet light pillar between earth and saturn.

>>514861076
All the pagan values are equivalent to the christian values dependent upon perspective.
Glory == Glory of God
Strength (of Spirit)
etc.

>>514865111
>I'm not deep into the astronomical lore yet
for an entry level...H.A. Rey will help you with constellations. but you have to do your yoga session after drinking hibiscus tea first.
The constellations aren't the big ones though imo. its lunar/solar, with some interesting planetary alignments you see play out in myths

>>514865453
>All the pagan values are equivalent to the christian values

Cuck Gospel 14:52

What is with christkike gaslighting on this topic? You genuinely believe European civilizations had no mores or values prior to jews inventing Rabbi Yeshua jew worship?

We've seen christkike "values", and it's jews ruling the world and infinite niggers.

>>514865333
>sir
Ma'am you mean.

>>514865399
That's too esoteric for me dog. I'm gonna have to skip this cutscene.

>>514865445
>Yes, but there's nothing really christian about christmas.
exactly, they took it over from these older more ancient saturnian feasts.

>>514865333
This has a flawed understanding of Christianity, most likely born out of american protestant evangelicalism that's obsessed with the end times
Christ gave us the command to be the Light in the world, to improve the world and redeem it. The world/society isn't inherently bad, it is tainted, but God loves the world/society. Genesis itself even says that all God created He found to be Good.
The goal of the Church is to better the world and manifest the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

>>514864152
That's the million dollar question, and I'm genuinely sad to say I don't have an answer for you. My hope is that through meditation, contemplation, prayer, and dreams this will one day be revealed to me. The question is of such a vast magnitude though, the human brain just 404s after a certain point, so I suspect it is something that will be felt and experienced and will be near impossible to put into words.

>>514865458
Thanks for the recommendation. I'm loosely aware of the topic, but nowhere near as much as I am with the texts.

>>514865393
I literally said I use Willibrord for Dutch, it's the main translation I read. You know you can just scroll up right? Fucking retard

>>514865453
>All the pagan values are equivalent to the christian values dependent upon perspective.

not at all lmao

>>514865570
>Christ gave us the command
>us
The toothpaste flag is a jew confirmed

>>514865632
Only spiritually!

>>514865514
>That's too esoteric
its plasma cosmology.

>>514865570
>Genesis itself even says
That jews are god's chosen forever and ever, no take backsies.

>>514865701
You'll go to the spiritual camps then.

>>514865445
>Yes, if we're using scholarly labels, I consider myself an animist first, and a polytheist second.
would you go as far to call the polytheist (Depicted in human form) is a 'corruption'?
it can easily lead to hubris and misunderstandings that you're currently facing right now.
>Well isn't that interesting that you called us too christian, huh?
well this is more of an attitude that you're right and he's wrong. that is very christian/mudslime.
>You have literally no reason to believe this is the case for Europeans.
What? why not? BEHOLD (picrel) mithras slaying the bull 17,000 years ago at a cave in france...its just not called that, yet
>Show me the laws of the cosmos constantly changing and I'll believe that the gods are always changing.
Things appear to be changing when you zoom in, zoom out and we're on a processional cycle about every 26k years... zoom out even more and there's probably a larger one.

>>514865750
>The original form of the theory, Alfvén–Klein cosmology, was developed by Hannes Alfvén and Oskar Klein in the 1960s and 1970s
>Klein was born in Danderyd outside Stockholm, son of the chief rabbi of Stockholm
EXPLAIN YOURSELF GERMANON

What do you mean pagans? Like actual roman peasants? Or some contemporary form of polyteism like Rodzima Wiara or Asatru or greek revivalists? Or is this thread supposed to piss off internet wyte warriors?

>>514865591
Well I'm glad that in a sea of turds I could at least find a few honest gems. I'll share what my own answer would be to the question of Consciousness, perhaps it will help you on your journey.
As a Catholic, I believe in the Triune God who made mankind in His image. I believe in this truth is hidden the answer to the old mind-body problem of dualism. I think that we're not a dualistic mind-body dichotomous being, but a triune holistic being, expressed in three dimensions of being: Physical, Informational and Experiential. The Physical is our material and objective Body, the Informational is our immaterial and objective Mind, the Experiential is our immaterial and subjective Soul. The Mind contains things like our thoughts, our neural activity, our memories, etc. The Soul contains the experience of the Mind, which means it also houses our Consciousness (although experience is not only conscious; think of dreams for example).
So, Conscious Experience is a fundamental aspect of reality itself that we share in because of the way God made us in His image. Ultimately all of it finds its origins in God.

>>514865762
No, it doesn't actually. The promise is to Abraham's seed, which is Jesus Christ

>>514865970
>As a Catholic, I believe in the Triune God who made mankind in His image.

Wtf is a "mankind"?

>>514865966
the purpose of christian spam on /pol/ is deradicalization due to unprecedented noticing of the jewish question and its roots in Europe, much like in NS Germany

>>514865871
>The original form of the theory
we are already far beyond that.
>EXPLAIN
explain what?

>>514866017
And the purpose of mudslime spam?

>>514865966
I'm genuinely wondering what current, contemporary "pagans", "heathens", or other types of folk religionists actually metaphysically believe.

>>514865845
>>514865445
ah, this one has a more 'heavenly' feel to it. but it's quite remarkable that we have been tracing those two constellations with a bull and a man killing it for 17k+ years

>>514864891
a series of jewish failures to comprehend pagan ideas followed by an attempt to hijack and subvert those ideas and substituting their own retard tier cave man beliefs in their place that were received so poorly that they had to shut down access to the text for over a millenia until the average person was sufficiently retarded by their rule that they could no longer read or remember the sources jews had plagiarized their ideas from after gotten so humiliated by normies, scholars and pagans alike that they were cutting off their genitals in shame because they couldnt stand on the theological merits and really just wanted to rape peoples kids and be closer to their god, why?

>>514866073
Better go on reddit, then.

>>514866017
>its roots in Europe, much like in NS Germany
The Gospels are literally the account of how the jews hated Christ so much they tried to twist His words to try and get Him killed. And why did they hate Him? Because He said non-jews were going to be saved, while not all jews would be

>>514866067
>mudslime spam
hardly see it, there's a few who maybe think they can get some disenfranchised virgins for the whole "community + wife" thing but that's about it, with mudslimes there is an healthy and very clear understanding they are an enemy, with christians it's more subtle

>>514866129
maybe you should go to reddit if you can't handle a simple question, thin skinned little faggot

>>514866116
>they had to shut down access to the text for over a millenia
you literally don't know history. why do you think Jerome translated it to the VULGATE (meaning: common dialect)?

>>514866151
it doesn't work anymore, you are powerless

>>514865970
Agreed, it was nice to have an actual exchange with someone here for once. I have thoughts and questions on what you said, but I have to run to go wageslave. Make this thread again at some point, I'll find it.

>>514866252
Ok now show all the times the Christians burned the Talmud, kicked out the jews and mass murdered them
This is just retarded nitpicking, but I'm pretty sure I've encountered you before. You are like the jew that Hitler describes as slime.

>>514866317
God bless you anon, I hope you find all the answers you look for

>>514865845
>would you go as far to call the polytheist (Depicted in human form) is a 'corruption'?
If you mean "would you go as far to call the depiction of the gods as having human form a 'corruption'?", I can see the argument, but no. It is simply a design language, and is infinitely preferable to some hyper-abstract conceptual language only understandable to nerds. The priest caste needs to speak in a manner that is comprehensible to the other castes, lest society collapse.
>it can easily lead to hubris
How so?
> misunderstandings that you're currently facing
Which is?
>well this is more of an attitude that you're right and he's wrong.
What are you talking about? The "he" is you.
> BEHOLD (picrel)
That's my point. It is depicting the gods.
>Things appear to be changing when you zoom in
That's not actual change. That's just perceived change.
>cycle
Cycles are, by their definition, fixed. The seasons aren't chaos. They're four seasons on a fixed loop. If you were to claim that the year is a god and that that god changes, sure - but on a fixed loop that has nothing to do with vibes.
Again, show me the laws of the cosmos changing, and I'll believe that the gods change. Simple as.

>>514866322
there it is, repetitive, boring, always the same shit, ad nauseaum, and you actually think this is working; you're done

>>514866060
>explain what?
ngmi

>>514866151
its just a fictional story jews wrote for people stupid enough to believe it

>>514866151
>immediately starts deradicalization spam when anons point out it is deradicalization spam
topkek

>>514866151
So you do acknowledge that jewsus was speaking to jews and he upset the jews. Which is why the biblel says "he was rejected by his own kind", which were jews? And the moral of the story is a failed jewish prophet turned to goyim to tell them how to live.

>>514866322
>death penalty for practicing the religion of your fathers (except jews, they're good)
>but we also resettled them from Madrid to the Netherlands and made them convert to a different version of their religion that one time, so we're the based anti-semites
>[vague attempt to associate with Hitler]
every
single
time

>>514866434
a lot of people worked on plasma cosmology, its not like that jew discovered it or was central to this.

>>514866243
the vulgate.. [that no one but the clergy was allowed to read]

there was a period there in the beginning where they did try, but got btfo'd so hard and so routinely that they had to shut it down, like i said. jews rely on censorship. they win arguments when theyre the only voice speaking, when the only opposition to themselves is themselves, etc. christianity was the holohoax before the holohoax. the original jewish psyop.

why are you even talking about christianity, this is supposed to be a thread about what pagans believe

>>514866607
>a failed jewish prophet turned to goyim
Actually jesus never turned to goyim (and not just because he never existed). That was all changes saul of tarsus (cryptoname: "saint" paul) made after he infiltrated the early christian movement and made it into a weapon against Rome, to take it away from the jews.
This nigga wrote half of the books of the new testament. There are even entire debates with the other apostles about whether or not it is acceptable to socialize with goyim if they goyim have converted and so on. "Peter" says no, because he is of the original kind of early christian (ie. just a regular messianic jew). "Paul" says yes, so he can make the movement into a goy one and keep it away from his own tribe (ie. jews).

>>514866359
>some hyper-abstract conceptual language only understandable to nerds
I think we'll disagree on this point. I seem it as a more simpler and direct form to take the names and have them depict what they truly are, and what you're worshiping.
>The priest caste needs to speak in a manner that is comprehensible to the other castes, lest society collapse.
so we're not a fan of platonic noble lies that created christianity, shucks.
>How so?
A man, as fast as lightening... as strong as a volcano erupting, as bright as the sun!... for I am the son of that man, herules! how dare you speak to me which you have no authority of, diogenes, get out of my sight. I am descended from the gods. are you not concerned about society collapsing you hobo!?
>Which is?
this god means this, but actually its this. no its that. but before it was that, it was this other thing
>The seasons aren't chaos
but if you zoom in they are, hurricane katrina isn't every year....
>They're four seasons on a fixed loop.
is there? reports of years without summer are a thing, look into it. cross cultural too. little ice age of europe is recent too.
>but on a fixed loop that has nothing to do with vibes
vibes diffently change when an unpredictable meteor that is on a cycle beyond human comprehension (12k+ years) brings you in and out of an ice age.
>Again, show me the laws of the cosmos changing, and I'll believe that the gods change. Simple as.
God doesn't 'change'. you 'change' and your perspective changes, thats all I claimed.

>>514859361 (OP)
Why do I have to believe in a higher entity?
I see christians forgive their children's murderers and worship people who hate them and have more love of people of other races because they are of the same cult, its tranny tier mental illness, it objectively makes your lives and the lives of those around you worse, pulling the what sky fantasy do YOU believe in card is such a hollow argument, I believe what I see and I see brainwashed retards, I see christcucks, kikes and Muslims acting as vanguard for their non white brethren abroad to bring them into white countries and shit out nations up further, you are spiritual jeets.

>>514866754
Why is he listed as one of the two founding fathers of it then?
Isn't it weird that so many abstract ideologies for goyim have the son of a rabbi as a founding figure?
>christianity -> saul
>marxism -> marx
>plasma cosmology -> klein

>>514866948
>Why is he listed as one of the two founding fathers of it then?
jews always trying to cash in on accomplishments of others and steal them.
I'm sure in a couple years when the mainstream big bang model finally collapses and gets laid to rest they will jump on this one and claim Hannes Alfven, Kristian Birkeland etc. never existed and that this Klein jew figured all of it out on his own (in reality he was barely involved).

>>514866073
Here's the thing. Your religion says you are perfect as is, in god image. You are created by god therefore human in perfected state. No evolution. Maybe you can see which consequences this thinking led to. It excuses you for being a low human, because as long as you dont "sin" and pray to god you're going to heaven. So why try harder? Why try hard to be better, when you're already rewarded? It goes against nature. You could be a 500lb land whale leeching of others who cant even move from bed, absolutely 0 contributions in life and still get rewarded by jesus. Such thinking is poison to us, think about it

>>514865594
Last one, alexander thom. god rest is soul. this is the guy who blew open stonehenge's lunar/solar phenomena. he did other megaithic structures throughout briton too..

>>514867083
Because we have God-given gifts and are commanded to use them. You fundamentally misunderstand Christianity

It really is sad that a thread where I earnestly inquire about the foundations of belief for modern pagans, just ends up with a bunch of hatred towards Christianity. There are some which seem to have actual developed belief systems, but the vast majority are just motivated by two things: hatred of Christianity and politics.
If those are you motivations, you're not really religious or spiritual, and calling yourself a pagan or anything like that is just larping.

>>514866852
> and have them depict what they truly are
Enlighten us?
>platonic
No, I'm not fan of his.
>I am descended from the gods.
I see no Hubris here. The Gods uplift the best of us to aristocracy. This is simply the Mandate of Heaven in a different form.
>this god means this, but actually its this.
That's not a misunderstanding, that's just the concept of a discussion. You have to point to something I have understood wrongly for it to be a misunderstanding.
>reports of years without summer are a thing,
It was still summer, just a really shit one. But in that sense, I would agree that the God(dess) of Summer did not appear that year, and that this constitutes a change. Can you provide an example of the same for an Olympian God - ie. the actual cosmic gods?
>vibes diffently change when an unpredictable meteor that is on a cycle beyond human comprehension (12k+ years) brings you in and out of an ice age.
Maybe it's a generational thing, but the word vibe seems to have lost all meaning at this point.
>God doesn't 'change'.
You literally wrote "perhaps the gods changed".
>you 'change' and your perspective changes
I never said otherwise. Why are we debating this then?

>>514867073
That surely is an opinion you can hold. Regardless, unless given a reason to not, I disregard ideologies with the sons of rabbis listed as their founding fathers. I aim for consistency.

>>514866876
maybe youve just got the ick
perhaps you simply need an invitation to participate in a ritual blood eagling of a jew for public spectacle to rid an obstacle to our creators and to celebrate our race. the gods would bless you for your attendance (so long as you dont later abandon your kin to go serve as mercenaries for child mutilating sandniggers)

>>514867365
>ideologies
plasma cosmology is not an "ideology", its science done with the empirical method.

>>514867274
because you are not honest and christians have a reputation worse than jews on /pol/
this is also the politics board, duh, so we're particularly interested in the political consequences of certain belief systems

>>514867153
but not everyone has such gifts do they? your god didnt create everyone equal did he? where you see beauty and expression others see something to destroy, where you see things to create others see nothing. But christians say as long as you repent, everyone is accepted. Thats why so many criminals flock to your religion once they 'repent', all the wrongdoings are forgiven

>>514867274
nah youre here to promote a gay jew and your npc cult

>>514866820
Factually correct. Thank you, anon, for spelling out the full picture. Allow me to return the favor by sharing another anon's guide to dealing with kiketians on /pol/. I'm afraid we hit every single > in this guide now.

>>514867153
>>514867462
i mean one hard look at the state of the world dismantles the concept of 'created in god image'. The concept itself was stolen from paganism, which is 'we are like the gods', a "we" that doesnt include everyone. Because not everyone is "like the gods" only a few humans get even close the rest are garbage, absolute garbage

>>514867462
I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. By God-given gifts, I mean talents, skills, etc. Things we're naturally good at. Yes, those are unique for everybody. That's how you get different people. Different people should do different things, but they should be motivated by right reason

>>514859361 (OP)
>What about the afterlife, do pagans believe in that?
Christianity took the idea of the afterlife from the pagans (more precisely from the Greeks and Egyptians + Iranians). The Jews did not have it. the christian concept literally collapses when you realize that heaven was promised on earth, physical, not astral, jesus was resurrected in his body

>>514867441
I mean no offense, but marxists say the same about marxism, vaxfags say the same about le safe and effective, hell even German National Socialists said the same about National Socialism. Since the enlightenment, most ideologies have been cloaked as science.

>>514867604
julian the apostate was right

>>514867657
so electricity is not real to you?

>>514867487
No one seems capable of just articulating thoughts anymore without ideological terminology, which is a sign that you aren't the leader you think you are, but another follower.

>>514859361 (OP)
Which pagan specifically are you talking about? I can give you answer based on that.

>>514867296
>Enlighten us?
animism, like I said.
osiris resurrected? ah fancy... happy summer solstice.
thor is pissed? or you mean this lightening is terrifying?
poseidon is calm... ah yes, good day for sailing.
>I see no Hubris here
well, well...
>That's not a misunderstanding, that's just the concept of a discussion.
you know what doesn't need to be discussed? water is wet. because it's simple. the more complicated things need to be 'discussed'
>the actual cosmic gods?
weeks without the sun! not just polar areas, but even around the equator... now you and I would call it a thick smog that has hidden the sun. but that's the difference in people from different times. volcanic smog is a thing that doesn't always dissipate.
>Maybe it's a generational thing, but the word vibe seems to have lost all meaning at this point.
I've only been using it ironically, you actually brought it up. I don't use it, its nigger ebonics.
>You literally wrote "perhaps the gods changed".
ah more of my fingers not matching my thoughts.
>I never said otherwise. Why are we debating this then?
the debate, has officially ended. I declare you as total victor. I am not ashamed to lose against such a formative opponent. I am defeated, thank you.

>>514867511
Very good picrel, saved. Have a Ludendorff in return.

>>514861457
>Memeflag
>Plato was a monotheist!
Kek

>>514867869
the poopagans. now please enlighten us, saar

>>514867657
In today's world many people characterize themselves as being "scientists".
Only those who always carefully follow the scientific method are deserving of that title.
Scientists are distinguishable from artists, poets, musicians, and others in that they use what is known as the "scientific method".
It is not that "inspiration" or "the muse" is not valuable in science, it is but it is not the starting point of what we call science.

In the process called the scientific method a true scientist will:
>observe nature and carefully record what is seen.
>seek patterns in the observed data, put numbers on the data, fit equations to those numbers.
>generalize those equations into a word description of the process - this is a hypothesis.
>carry out experiments and/or gather independent data to see how well the hypothesis predicts future observations and results. This is called "closing the loop" on your hypothesis.
>reject, or modify the hypothesis if the experiments show it falls short of success in these predictions.
>only after the results of several experiments have been successfully predicted by the hypothesis, can it be called a theory.

If two different theories predict a given phenomenon equally well, the simpler theory is probably the best one.
this principle is called Occams Razor.
theories can never be proven to be correct, some other mechanism entirely may be the cause of the observed data.
but theories can be disproved if they fail to predict the outcomes of additional experiments.
such theories are termed to be falsified.
Sometimes the scientific method as described above is called the "empirical method".

>>514868045
>>514867657
As an alternative to the "empirical method", there is a method of deriving theories from assumed generalizations about the universe.
This is called the "deductive method" aka the jewish method.
In this process one starts with a "law of nature" or "obviously correct" generalization about the "way things work" and deduces (reasons out - derives) its consequences in detail.
a hypothesis arrived at via this method is promoted to the status of being a Theory if a large enough body of (((experts))) "accept" it.
Thus, in this method, a vote of the (((experts))) determines if a theory is correct.
Once such a theory has been accepted it is not easily rejected in light of conflicting evidence, it is, however, often modified, made more complex, and unfortunately, new data is often selectively chosen to support it.

The selection and publication of only the data that support the accepted theory is expedited by the "peer review system".
If the jewish experts who have accepted a given theory control both the funding of future research and also what gets published, there is little chance for conflicting viewpoints to develop.

>>514867815
>be me
>random goy
>learn about jews
>stop trusting jewish sources
>sO eLeCtRiCiTy iS nOt rEaL tO yOu?
Come on now.

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do they believe their gods to be?
What do you believe your god to be?

>>514866636
Indeed. No saulstians can answer for the fact that 1500 years of total jew worship rule didn't get rid of the jewish issue forever, when it was completely fine with genociding Aryans who refused to worship jews. They'll mumble something about how "the jews need to be there for the end times to be punished but the Aryans don't" admitting that they're fine with Aryans disappearing but not jews, it's ultimate jew worship.

And I'll ask the eternal question they all fail: Would you rather a 100% Pagan Aryan world or nigger christian world?

>>514868171
a god that demands you recognize him or else hot pokers go through your eye for all eternity.

I'm an atheist, but if I had to choose between paganism and christianity or other abrahamic religions I would 100% choose paganism because at least pagan gods are not foreskin obsessed genociders.
What's the deal with the foreskin obsession, anyway?

>>514859556
A kike religion is not worthy of white culture you inbred tranny kike

>>514868045
>>514868099
>explaining the scientific method
Wholly unnecessary. I do not doubt its existence, I simply posit that many claims of scientific accuracy are total bollocks.

>>514868114
based Rome poster. Have one from my collection

>>514868171
>>514868280
knees? bent
tongues? confessing
cheeks? turned
eyes? searing with hot pokers through them

>>514860823
christcuckoldry reinvented the wheel you dumb kike mongrel

>>514868114
>stop trusting jewish sources
plasma cosmology is not a jewish discovery.
Hannes Alfven and Kristian Birkeland werent jewish.

>>514867602
how am i misunderstanding? thats what im alluding to, your skills, your talents. You think everyone has them? You think everyone has a talent or gift. But such is not the case. Nature is brutally unequal. To an absurd rate, even. Which is why slavery was even a thing back then. How could such thing happen, if there werent such weak people? Who can only do as told, we still have them today under different system.
Your religion was literally made to give these weaklings some hope. That they were not as inferior as they thought. Its the world that is the problem, its fallen right? Its the devil, etc. Why take care of not birthing more subhumans, god will take you all. Just breed like rabbits and populate with more subhumans, thats my command! yeah thats your god

>>514867274
You're asking for non-abrahamic spirituality to fit neatly into abrahamic criteria. No Aryan spirituality is based upon complete submission to a jealous evil god with hardcore rules, no Aryan spirituality claims itself a "universal truth that every nigger in Somalia should be forced to adopt". Anything we tell you, you will say doesn't fit your criteria, isn't strict enough, isn't "believed" enough (which is hilarious when 99% of saulstians never read the book from front to cover that they claim comes from the perfect creator of everything).

>>514867860
players make for terrible leaders. communication begins to suffer with as little as a 10 iq disparity. you never noticed how leaders post-christianity are always within the 90-110iq range and arent in the super chad noticer tier? leadership isnt about intelligence, its about communication, people skills. to degrade yourself in this manner is shameful, practically jewish even. and we know this because its something thats necessary to employ to some extent in order to get laid. it shouldnt be, but the world is so fucked at every level from the basic calendar all the way to social interactions that it is.

>>514867750
I just read it yesterday. He literally said everything factually, it's a pity that there are almost no texts left

And it is noteworthy that Christians accused pagans of sacrificing animals, when Jews did this on a huge scale, the fire at the temples burned constantly, the only difference is that Jews worshiped one of their personal Elohim (Watcher/Observer of which there were 70), and pagans recognized many, but still there was always the main God at their head.

However, the revival of paganism is a stupid thing to do, especially funny to see how onions faggots pray to Odin (Rudra in the Vedas), he was feared, he was an extremely contradictory, bloody trickster god, Thor was respected more. Where are these morons even climbing? Many of them are vegans, when Odin was associated with war, hardcore initiation (when young men tried to be like wolves, lived in the woods and didn't shave until they killed someone in war or during robbery. the indo-europeans had protoberserkers btw)

>>514861459
Sol worship/paganry pisses off the kikes because its decentralized and personal.

>>514868388
>that many claims of scientific accuracy
yes thats where the "Big Bang" mainstream model failed but also where the plasma cosmology succeeded.
plasma cosmology made accurate predictions based on actual science that the mainstream jew theory has no explanations for, when the mainstream theory fails a jew quickly pulls some new shit out of his ass.
mainstream jew "scientists" also get very angry whenever plasma cosmology is mentioned, makes them seethe a lot and I seen many shills attack it.

>>514868218
T'a vrai mon ami grenouille.
>>514868306
>What's the deal with the foreskin obsession, anyway?
They have complex esoteric justifications for it now (see klippah), but they're almost certainly just copes for circumcision being inflicted upon them as a mark of slavery or something along those lines. I'm by no means validating jew myths about events in Egypt, but the Egyptians did appear to circumcize certain groups if I remember my Herodotus right.

>>514859361 (OP)
Genuinely they have a more sophisticated view of the universe which Christians stole then made retarded

>>514868464
Neither was Friedrich Engels.

>>514868486
>based upon complete submission to a jealous evil god with hardcore rules, no Aryan spirituality
AHHAHAHAHA

The Vedic gods literally talk about this

Zoroaster literally called Indra (Hercules-Zeus-Thor) and Rudra (Odin-Apollo) demons for their bloody rituals and behavior(abduction of women). The word Devil itself is related to Dyaus and Deva, google how gypsies call God, it is related to the ancient worship of devas

>>514868673
thats not true, Engels maternal great grandmother was an Altmann, jewish.

>>514859361 (OP)
Pagans don't actually believe anything. They don't even do sacrifices. It's just a variant of "I didn't like going to church at 10 years old so I'm going to become a satanist, that'll show mom and dad".

>>514868600
TLDR on what plasma cosmology teaches please?

>>514859361 (OP)
Christian theology is that the universe is made out of a limited set of geometry based elements (5 material and some more spiritual which is just “refined” matter). These exist in a flat earth with a large glass dome on top. Jesus died so that the tainted geometric coding of some matter could be reencrypted with the right passcode. It is supposed to be a spiritual hierarchy but pagan influence and some bullshit about Theotokos and the immaculate conception and how Mary has to be untainted by original sin mean Christians pretend to believe in the Trinity.

Pagans believe the universe is a set of cyclical vibrations that redound into infinite variety and that division of the universe into parallel realms that build into each other lift each other through struggle into a higher existence closer to the eternal realm of the one God of all Creation.

>>514868860
actually we did go to church thats how we came to smell the bullshit from early age, and for sacrifices look at your precious Bible

>>514868510
>picrel
>nobody worshipped trees
Americans seem completely disconnected from symbolic language, probably as a result of their total judeaization.
The so-called idol, be it a statue, a tree or whatever is not typically understood as the direct object of worship, just as a man speaking on the phone isn't speaking TO the phone, or a man speaking to his wife's headstone isn't speaking to the literal rock or dirt. There is someone on the other end that is the recipient.

The ancient tree is where the tribe meets, so therefore it is also where the ancestors look to from the afterlife and where the land spirits we live among come to meet us and where the patron god or ancestral hero "dwells", just as the mortals do.

Additionally, the tree is almost always the biggest most impressive tree in the area, meaning that it is already special, worthy of admiration for its size and might. The spirit of the tree is greater than the spirit of the other trees in the area. That spirit can be venerated as well (see dryads etc).

The traditions continue to this day with bringing in vegetation into the home, having a family tree in the garden, planting a tree when someone is born, etc.

>>514868567
its necessary for people to find their footing, to understand the diatinction between pagan and abrahamic. and from there they can move forward, and continue from where we left things before jews derailed everyone

>>514868860
get with the times kid, mom and papa are liberal secularists and your internet christlarp rebellion fits your criteria far more closely, especially since being obsessed with what others think is much more in line with your kind

>>514868600
That's great anon, but I'm still steering clear on anything with a son of a rabbi as a founding father, in particular when it is as abstract as this. I'd rather be ignorant than trapped in a jewish net of abstractions.

>>514868801
Really? kek I genuinely didn't know. Still, that's good enough for Nuremberg, so my point mostly stands.

>>514869073
*splits your demon tree in half*
Here, now let's wait for your heroic ancestral gods to come for revenge. Well? Nothing happened? As expected. Welcome to Christianity.

>>514859556
>just because jews created christianity they think it's not worthy
And they're right, you don't have to go any further than that. God chose them as his people, no Christian revisionism can change that. Everything about the Bible is deeply Jewish, how couldn't it be? Jewish history, mysticism, dogmas, laws, regulations, rituals. And everything Jesus brought to the table was founded on this Jewish framework. He was just a jew trying to reform Judaism before he got turned into this joke of a messiah by his opportunistic, power hungry kike followers. What kind of god chooses these people in the first place, what kind of god abondens them and goes global, what kind of God starts out as this loud spoken autocratic vengeful mass murderer, then turns into this mute christianized all loving/forgiving hippie version? It's all so insanely retarded, you people seeing this archaic desert religion of these vile people and thinking "I'm going to build my spiritual life around this" are fucking mad.

>>514868860
>anon thinks it's 1972

>>514868873
We live in a universe of plasma. And a universe of plasma differs significantly from what might be called Newtons Universe, a universe of stars and solid masses acted upon and controlled only by gravity.
The presently accepted “gravity only” universe is one whereby all matter was created in a single instant and reacts only to gravity under the modifying ideas of general relativity.

A plasma universe and a gravitational universe have gross observational differences.
A plasma universe should be filamentary, stringy, at all size scales (in the atmospheres of planets, in the Sun’s corona, in groups of stars, in galaxies and in strings of galaxy clusters).
It should be energetic, a source of electromagnetic radiation over the entire electromagnetic spectrum, and it should be endless in space.
The gravitational universe the “big bang” universe is supposed to have produced all the elements originally, should now be quiescent in the absence of mass collisions, and should be increasingly smooth on the large scale.
The filamentation, chaos, and radio-frequency radiation that we now observe were not expected in the original big bang model.
Another difference is that a universe of plasma in chaotic motion tends to produce cells of plasma of different voltage, temperature, density, and chemical properties, just as is observed in the laboratory. It is the relative motion of these cells that generates both electric currents and charge separation when the cells drive through each other.
These electric currents produce magnetic fields.
Charge separation causes electric fields to exist.
So, filamentation, chaos, electric and magnetic fields, intense charged particle beams, broadband radiation from extremely low frequencies to gamma rays, and an overall cellular structure were the predictions of a plasma universe, as developed at the end of the Nineteenth Century.
Unfortunately we had to wait about one hundred years for all this to be verified.

>>514868860
satanism is abrahamism tho. wheres the pagan?

>>514863760
>but don't have the rocks to actually adopt a real religion.
What even is a real religion? Most christians don't even believe in the bible. Most of these tradcaths, orthobros and whatever their protestant equivalent is are larpers. The exception are third worlders like africans or latin americans and those are very superstitious. Do you also believe in ghosts and curses?
It's similar with most other religions except for islam and maybe hinduism but those come from very superstiitous third world cultures.

>>514869156
>with a son of a rabbi as a founding father
that jew is not a "founding father" tho.
>>514869199
>kek I genuinely didn't know
of course not, thats by design.

>replaced all local cultural beliefs and customs with semite worship
>destroyed ancient pagan temples and monuments that had been there for hundreds of years
>forcibly pushed on the people by the state

christkekry was literally ancient globohomo

>>514869219
>Nothing happened?
Boniface was brutally hunted down and killed by pagans in revenge, and christianity was made to cuck to European traditions to the point where catholics traditions are so overwhelmingly pagan that christianity split time and time again as people tried to remove the paganism from it, eventually leading to protestantism, which resulted in an almost entirely non-christian Europe and a completely judaized golem TRVE christianity in America.
Probably shouldn't have cut down that tree, eh?

>>514869093
Christianity has absorbed and syncretized so much that it doesn't make sense (I mean that there is an obvious presence of paganism in it, but purified). In essence, Jesus acts as Dionysus-Liber (influence of the book of John). We don't know how it was there, but it doesn't make sense to change anything. Christianity is connected with Europeans, Slavs.

btw, what is below is serious

https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/where-and-when-the-equivalence-of-yahweh-and-jove-was-first-clearly-noted.327/

https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3050

https://churchunity.net/home/my-name-is-in-him/yahweh-jupiter-of-the-hosts-18th-century-a-d/

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrew-Lehti-2/publication/384733541_On_the_Ancient_Transliteration_of_Jove/links/67058b76f246af12435778a2/On-the-Ancient-Transliteration-of-Jove.pdf

>>514869303
>What even is a real religion?
The civilization of Uruk traces to that of Sumer.
And it is precisely here that the truth can be run to ground for the language of Sumer is the oldest written language that we have.
And in that language, very much as in that of the Egyptians (to the ancient Egyptians, the synonymy of gods and planets was so complete that, in some instances, the same word was employed to signify either. Thus sba, among other things, meant "star," but Sba was also the name of a "star" god. The word netru meant "stars," but it also meant "gods."),
so in Uruk the word and/or cuneiform sign for "god" and "star" was one and the same - * - a symbol derived from the pictograph which preceded cuneiform writing is the very picture of a star.
This not only proves that stars and gods were thought of as being truly synonymous as far back as written records reach, it also indicates that the very concept of God has its origin in a star and this star was the Saturnian Sun.

>>514869291
That pic is ridiculous. The original hebrews who converted to Christianity were so adverse to jewish exclusivity that they dedicated their life to travelling through Gentile lands to preach the gospel and were killed brutally for it. Talmudist jews wouldn't even get killed in the name of their God let alone for the sake of the Gentiles.

It's not a phase mom, I really am a warrior of Odin!!

>>514863433
Epicureanism was a philosophy rather than a religion, so by definition it was neither pagan as it didn't 't involve the worship of the traditional gods of Rome/Greece nor Semitic as it also didn't involve the worship the true God.

>nafri
That's rich coming from a literal moor rapebaby.

>>514867962
I always ask people where the holy land is, if it's not "under my feet", it's pretty self-evident in what mental state they are.

>>514869480
>and were killed brutally for it.
Six gorillion of them in fact. And there were cages. With bears and eagles and shiieet. One poor apostle was masturbated to death!
Luckily, we made not believing this a crime, so you can take my word for it.

>>514869219
>>514869441
Speaking to that tree....

>>514869532
It's really pathetic.. notice of they send hollywood media back and forth, they watched The Northmen or some other goyslop and ate it right up.

>>514867274
>just ends up with a bunch of hatred towards Christianity.

and we do have thousands of reasons for hating it. my disgust towards that jewish cult started when visiting the church as a kid, and seeing the image of the dead rabbi joshua king of the jews nailed to the cross... a sight that would terrify any toddler. not to mention the shivers and the discomfort feeling, for having to be in the same place among any kind of untermensch.

that disgust turned to pure burning hatred.

that same hatred and rage against anything that threatens what we love that turned out Ancestors into the best killing machines the world has ever seen.

curios how kikes, christians, liberals and all those faggots push pacifism and tolerance...

>>514859556
The kike talmud didn't even exist until at least 400 years after Christ.

>>514859361 (OP)
Modern paganism is literally just jeets shitting on the streets. That's paganism

>>514869576
Mine is wherever the beeches grow.
>picrel
Based Italian. Weird to call a man who says "our gods" an atheist though.

>>514867274
yeah i wonder if your religion slaughtering all pagans and converting the rest and ruling with your dogmas for two thousand year may have done something to provoke such hostility

>>514869714
>The kike talmud didn't even exist until at least 400 years after Christ.
The torah is older than that.

>>514869701
Ahahaha, This nigger got traumatic injuries from seeing Jesus Christ on a cross.. many such cases. That is absolutely hilarious. Think you'll be alright, did it really cut you that deep?

>>514869692
>He hasn't read the Prose Edda, Vølsunga Saga or any Icelandic Sagas
Read more than wikipedia you fucking retard

>>514869480
ah yes, and then one day, for no reason at all, people attacked christians

>>514869873
"EL/ELohim," is mentioned 2570 times in the Old Testament.
Cronos or Kronos, the Greek name for the planet Saturn, is called EL by the Phoenicians.
This identification traces to the Phoenician scholar Sanchoniathon himself, as quoted by Philo of Byblos, who identified the Canaanite EL with the Greek Kronos.
basically Philo Byblius, and other classical sources, and inscriptions in Greek and Latin all establish the formula that B'l Hmn (i.e., Ba'al Hamon) on the one hand, and EL on the other, are Greek Kronos, Latin Saturnus.
I did not, therefore, misspeak when, on an earlier post, pointed out that, according to the ancients, it was the planet Saturn that was really the god of the Jews/Christians.
When the Old Testament itself, as everyone can read, declares EL to have been the "God of Israel," it is the same as saying that Saturn was that god.
And, in fact, is this not additionally borne out by the very name Israel which, incorporates the theophoric name of EL who was Saturn? it was the "sun" that was worshipped in the Jerusalem Temple by the Kings of Judah, we can be certain that the "sun" in question was the Saturnian one.

>>514869940
Do you read runes?

>>514869550
>Epicureanism was a philosophy rather than a religion, so by definition it was neither pagan
they would be called pagan by definition of how semitic filth like christians use the word, it's that simple, they had beliefs too, calling it a "philosophical system" is just playing with words

remember, becoming a super-duper christlarper will not make actual Frenchmen accept you, karim

>>514869981
I'm extremely glad christian animals are choosing your route, to slander and attack Europeans, you do the work for us.
By the way, that vile sandnigger jesus my Roman ancestors had the privilege of torturing and killing like an animal, was a genuine semen slurper, unlike your jewish translation

>>514869692
>norse mythology was invented by american comic books and did not exist before
are you baiting or an low iq migrant?

>>514859361 (OP)
Our Nietzsche
who dwells beyond good and evil,
hallowed be thy Will to Power.

Thy Übermensch come,
thy transvaluation be done,
on earth as in eternal recurrence.

Give us this day our Dionysian excess,
and forgive us our ressentiment,
as we scorn those who cling to slave morality.

Lead us not into herd mentality,
but deliver us from pity.

For thine is the hammer, and the laughter,
and the eternal return,
forever and ever.
Yes-sayer.

>>514869665
What goes around comes around.
>>514869692
>literal jewish comic book characters
I've never understood this line of attack. You can't seriously be unaware of the existence of pagan Gods prior to the comic book industry and still have the IQ to bypass a captcha, so what's the argument? That jews made comic books based on Gods?

This anon isn't Danish, but rather some VPN shill. Everyone learns about Nordic antiquity in school here and in the general culture. The church openly talks about having syncretized with it. Our national anthem and even the hymns sung in church explicitly reference paganism.

>>514869940
>>514869981
You do know without the Christians there wouldn't have been an edda, Christians translated everything you know today. And you don't read the ancient languages, so you're a larp.

>>514869245
Thank you Hans, saved, though I'm really lacking in knowledge on this subject to understand most of this.

>>514869981
post real flag moshe

>>514869981
speaking of, the Hebrew EL, the very same god who, under the name Elohim/Yahweh, is believed to have created the world, was said to have been equipped with a long penis.
What was this sacred virile member attached to god?
Among the Egyptians, the phallus of Ra (Ra is also to be identified with Saturn) was highly honored.
This is indicated in the praises glorifying the god.
As it was written: "Who is this?" And the answer is given: "It is Osiris.'' (Osiris is also a personification of Saturn) the passage continues with: "Others, however, say that his name is Ra, and that the god who dwelleth in Amentet is the phallus of Ra, wherewith he had union with himself."
The most popular ithyphallic god of Egypt was Min. Unfortunately, despite attempts to identify this deity as a personification of Saturn and, later, as a personification of Mars, not enough is known about this deity to reach a definite conclusion concerning his genesis.
Shu, this god was inter alia lauded as "Lord of the Phallus. "
In the Pyramid Texts, he is actually equated with the male organ of Atum. (Saturn as the Night Sun)
What is even more revealing, however, is the fact that, in some depictions, the heaven sustaining Shu is replaced with the phallus of Geb.
It is then evident that the phallus of the deity was itself believed to have acted as the support of heaven much in the same manner that the single leg of the god did.
As Diodorus reported, it was not only the Egyptians who consecrated "that member" in their initiatory rites, but quite a few other nations.
Dionysus cult (another personification of Saturn) in Greece is evidenced by temples, sculptures of phalli and descriptions of processions carrying huge phalli as late as the second century BC. Brimming with virility, he was the god most favored by women.

>>514869969
El and Yahweh both appear as names for God in the old testament. They seem to have been different Gods but the jews later fused them together.
A bunchbof biblical characters including angels have the el suffix in their names indicating that their names are dedicated to the God El while others have their names dedicated to the God Yahweh like Elijah and even Jesus. Even the quran has a bunch of characters with the il suffix or a suffix to Yahweh like Ilyas.

>>514870100
Saved.

>>514869576
Funny how pagans can't help but talk about "divine feminine" and whatever, you're literally being raped by demons and think you're worshipping gods. You masturbate ritually to effigies of the "divine feminine" and feed horrid theriocephalous demons with your semen. You are beyond lost. You will spend eternity being raped, broken and defiled by all manners of hellspawn if you don't stop larping as an ancient roman.
>>514869441
Protestantism is a form of germanic pagan reflux. Alas they are a barbarous and possessed people, the only in the world who cannot be taught the ways of proper Christianity. They have been spewing their vomit on the world for centuries, and rightfully they are finally being erased from Europe through immigration. I pray that germanics continue to import all of the idol-worshipping cowshit-eating pagans of Africa and India into their lands. Pagans will slaughter pagans and nothing of their demonic filth will remain upon the world.

>>514869593
Daily reminder the Talmud states 64 million jews were burned alive by the evil Romans under the emperor Mengelus Hitlerum in a short time, even thousands of years ago they already had their atrocity stories

>>514870350
>emperor Mengelus Hitlerum
topkek
>>514870310
>rightfully they are finally being erased from Europe through immigration
Aw, I thought you were gonna at least try to pretend to be a goy for a little bit longer... Shucks.

>>514859361 (OP)
Depends on what division of paganism you’re talking about, Germanic / Nordic? Hellenic? Roman? Zoroastrianism? Pooism aka hindiusm?

If you want to learn about them, go and study their texts and cultural practices both antiquated and modern.

You won’t find much actual insight about these topics on here; just a lot of shit flinging and name calling.

This channel is good if you want accurate information about Germanic paganism:
https://youtu.be/whUHNxeN9dA
https://youtu.be/ohxWPHGcI7w

>>514859361 (OP)
>The term "pagan" comes from the Late Latin word "paganus," which originally meant "rural" or "country dweller." It was used by early Christians to refer to those who practiced polytheism or non-Abrahamic religions, evolving into a pejorative term for non-Christians.
lots of different things.

>>514869981
If christkikes were real people, they'd learn "ah shit, my picrel is wrong, I'll need to find another argument" but they don't, never, it has been debunked thousands of times at this point, but they continue. This is a specifically jewish tactic, that of sheer exhaustion of the adversary by repeating the same provably false claims over and over.

>>514869994
No. Pagans etymologically comes from paganus meaning "one originating from a rural district", and later became specialized to refer to practitioners of the traditional false religion, after Christianity displaced said religion from the urban areas and it became largely restricted to the countryside.

As for Epicureanism, it was a philosophy and did not involve the traditional religions of Rome or Greece. Moreover, its followers were mostly high-ranking urbanites, so it cannot, by definition, be labeled pagan.

Hating nafris won’t divert attention from the fact you are just as brown as they are. Both of you sandies are going home once we take back Europe from the Jews.

>>514870310
>They have been spewing their vomit on the world for centuries, and rightfully they are finally being erased from Europe through immigration.
As if the catholic countries of Europe are in a better position. France have the highest amount of non-whites ib Europe. Italy is becoming Germany tier and it has the lowest birth rate in all of Europe. Half of Germany is catholic and these parts aren't better off, actually the opposite. Nortrhine Westphalia is very catholic and it is the second most brown state in Germany after Berlin. Schleswig-Holstein is the least browned West German state and it is protestant. East Germany used to be protestant but is now mostly secular and it is a lot less browned than West Germany. Spain is also getting browned with morroccan "refugees" and spic legal migrants.

>>514870091
>>514870092
>>514870124
Listen fellas, you can larp all you want.. but nobody is buing whatever shit you're selling, it's fine you believe in your race and all that, but instead of coping and seething over Christianity.. why don't you go out there and actually show what you're made of.. you talk all this warrior of oden shit, but i'm willing to bet everything on non of you being about that life.. non of you have every been on a boat having to sail without and engine and by navigating the stars.. just because you read of odin or whatever idol you worship in a book or saw 'The Northmen' doesn't mean you have the slighest idea on the history of your so-called ancestors.. many of you aren't even European and have no connection to Europe and if you had, then you haven't had any connection with it for +200 years. Stop larping, its pathetic. I doubt Hitler would've wanted some ameican in his army that runs around larping as odins warrior.

>>514870160
It is based on the work of Birkeland, Langmuir, Alfvén and Peratt.
Some people call plasma "the fourth state of matter" (after solids, liquids, and gases).
actually, plasma is the 1st state of matter.
When one or more of the outer electrons are stripped away from an atom we say the atom has become "ionized".
It then exhibits a net positive electrical charge, and is called a "positive ion".
On the other hand, if an extra electron is added onto a neutral atom, the combination then carries a net negative charge and is referred to as a "negative ion".
The electrical forces between dissimilar ions are orders of magnitude stronger than any mechanical force such as that produced by gravity.
An electrical plasma is a cloud of ions and electrons that, under the excitation of applied electrical and magnetic fields, can sometimes light up and behave in some unusual ways.
The most familiar examples of electrical plasmas are the neon sign, lightning, and the electric arc welding machine.
The ionosphere of Earth is an example of a plasma that does not emit visible light.
Plasma permeates the space that contains our solar system.
The cloud of particles that constitutes the solar "wind" is a plasma.
Our entire Milky Way galaxy consists mainly of plasma.
In fact 99% of the entire universe is plasma.

>>514870525
It's chutzpah. The Hitler quote about gradually beginning to hate them references the exact same thing. It's a telltale sign of a jew tactic, and as I commented above, that poster is absolutely not a real snownigger like yours truly.
>>514870473
>just a lot of shit flinging and name calling.
Fuck you faggot.
I'm just kidding, that channel is bretty gud.

we even invented your jesus christ.

>>514870525
I'm pretty sure France is Christian and not whatever larpagan religion you believe in Discordian.

>>514870144
>thank us for recording a few scrapes of what we tried to stamp out in our jewish frenzy.

>>514870545
confirmed completely illiterate brown christian animal
paganus was used as a 1to1 translation of ethnicus in all christian literature, which is the more fundamental christian term from the Greek, it means one belonging to the gentes and not worshiping the god of abraham, this would include ipso facto the epicureans

Christ's "neighbors" are the pagans btw.

A pagan is somebody who isn't from the city.

>>514870550
nobody cares, you are done, these are your demographics, there is no going back, getting rid of christians from Europe will be as easy as shooting shitskins and whoever helps them, clothes them and feeds them

>>514870550
>you don't live in the iron age therefore you can't be your own people and have to larp as these iron age jews
I mean this isn't even trying to be logically coherent.
>(you)s three European flags
>some american in his army
Bot confirmed.

>>514870218
>They seem to have been different Gods
Yahweh and Elohim were but two different designations for one and the same deity.
Biblical scholars, however, had long ago realized that the Old Testament preserves more than one tradition, and that, among other things, these different traditions can be recognized by the name applied to what one usually considers as having been "God."
One of these traditions referred to the deity as Elohim, another tradition referred to him as Yahweh.
Thus Biblical scholars refer to these different versions, among others, as the Elohist tradition on the one hand, and the Yahwist tradition on the other. Originally, these different traditions belonged to different peoples who had passed on their traditions by word of mouth, without change, from one generation to the next.
But, as happened so often in the past, these different peoples merged to become one nation even though each faction was persistent in retaining its particular version of what they believed to have transpired in the past.
At an even later time, when they decided to put their history into writing, these various traditions were incorporated as a unified, but not seamless, whole. And that, to put it simply, is what the Old Testament, as it exists today, consists of.

>>514870266
If you don't convert willingly we'll just do as we always did. We'll burn that whore mother at the stake for witchery (considering the presence of the cat in the painting, they don't even hide it), we'll take the children away and educate them in church, and the submissive germanic father will do nothing except watch just as the elders of Gaesmere did nothing while Saint Boniface felled their rotten tree. Convert willingly, or we'll do it for you. You don't get to condemn your children to a million eternities of demon rape just because you want to play as Odin's warrior.

>>514870618
If you want to play that dumb game, most of France is atheist, next is likely muslim, and then saulstian. France as a country became independent from Church rule in 1905, you're late to the party when it's been 120 years since the country officially said it's not a christian country.

>>514864315
would this explain why ancient cultures knew about saturn's hexagonic north pole?

>>514870697
Now show me a pagan one, oh right.. you guys are irrelevant and not a threat to anyone so you don't get one. I'd love to hear you spew all that shit in public and watch everyone get 2nd embarrassment from your larping ass.

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe?
"Thou shall not worship false idols"

>>514870650
It comes from pagus, village. I understand that you pagans have a disgust of books much like the jews, but it's etymologically very simple.
Pagan means redneck. You are literally saying "I am religiously redneck".

>>514870799
>If you don't convert willingly we'll just do as we always did.
In the current situation it is more likely that you will be forced to convert to islam or get beheaded than it is that you manage to force any pagan or atheist/agnostic into becoming christian.

>>514870777
The Septuagint says El was Yahweh's father.

>>514870650
This. In our translation of the bible, each time it says "ethne" (ie. gentiles) in the Greek, the translation says "heathen". Complete obfuscation of the racial angle that permeates the original.

>>514870582
Thank you, saved, will study all of that later.

>>514870612
>references the exact same thing.
Oh believe me, I'm aware, but you really feel Hitler's "I stood there in awe" comment when you see it with your own eyes.

>>514870799
>You don't get to condemn
I'm not the one to condemn them. Who created the eternal space of sadistic insane torture? Who do I need to be saved from? Don't say bullshit like "yourself, your sin", even if I were a criminal, that wouldn't give me metaphysical powers to create extra dimensional spaces.

>>514870899
yes, whats also crazy is that some ancient cultures knew about the rings too.
even Galileo, with his pioneering telescope, was not able to see Saturn as a ringed orb.
In fact, the image of Saturn that he was capable of resolving through his optical instrument was so vague that he mistook the planet for three separate bodies.
meanwhile the Dogon of Mali (niggers in what had once been the French Sudan, in Africa pic related) somehow knew that Saturn had Rings.

>>514870952
Muslims have no power to convert Christians. The only purpose of Muslims is to be warriors who'll lead the slaughter against demonic pagans, then when their job is done they will be led by God to Christianity.

>>514870812
>France has over 42,000 Catholic churches, with the government owning most of them, as well as approximately 2,500 evangelical churches.
Hmm, i don't believe you.. just like i wouldn't believe a troon telling me its a woman.. you're about on the same level.
>CAPTCHA:S0Y24

>>514870943
>I am religiously [not a shitlib rootless cosmopolitan]
yes

>>514870943
>completely and utterly misses the point despite being written in elementary english
no wonder christianity is a religion of literal 60IQ hominids from the congo, absolute vile animals

Read Manly P. Hall's "The secret teachings of all ages"
It's a good starting point.

>>514871040
>unironically "islam is the broom of hashem" moment
shalom shlomo

>>514866453
look into Joseph Atwill's 'Caesar's Messiah'

>>514871143
every single time it's like this, all you need to do is let christians speak and they will tell you they are your mortal enemy with a clarity no pagan will ever be able to match, Himmler should've done more about the christian animal question

>>514871058
We have lots of churches for sure, but they're extremely empty and many are getting demolished. "But it's because the government wants to destroy them" true, but the lack of reaction tells you a lot. No one cares about christians here, no one panders to them, you'd think in a democracy where all that matters is voootes, some grifter would try to appeal to them, but no, the jewish cult is so dead that even grifters refuse to go near it to try and secure some popular base.

>>514871143
also FYI muslims are also saturn worshippers, same as hindus.

>>514871040
>Muslims have no power to convert Christians.
We saw the opposite in the Middle East.
>The only purpose of Muslims is to be warriors who'll lead the slaughter against demonic pagans,
This idiot here simps for muslims.
He is anti-white it seems, preferring brown muslims.
>then when their job is done they will be led by God to Christianity.
That doesn't explain why the Middle East became less and less christian over time and instead became muslim.

>>514871250
what do you mean bro constantinople, nicea, antiochia, jerusalem, etc... are all controlled by christians......

>>514870812
>France as a country became independent from Church rule in 1905,
What happened in 1905? What was the situation before that?

>>514871092
Much like how cities have turned the countryside into asphalt and evicted rednecks, we have cut down your rotten sacred forests to the last blade of grass and erected grand churches in their place. You have no power, rednecks have no power.

>>514871143
Islam worships Marcus Aurelius Antoninus' sun god meteorite while calling everyone else idolaters.

>>514871196
They were on the right path. We carry the banners now.

>>514871347
ne of the pre-Islamic Arabian deities was Ilah, also known simply as Il, which name is equivalent to the Aramaic and Hebrew EL, Ilah's correspondence with the Hebrew ELoah, which name is simply a fuller version of the more popular EL, is also evident.
Although Ilah was once identified as the Moon god, the notion has long since fallen into disfavor, especially since the Hebrew EL is more readily identifiable as a Saturnian deity.
Because, in later times, the Jews had become accustomed in presenting EL simply as God, so did the Arabs come to refer to their god as al-Ilah, that is the God.
It is, needless to say, this older Ilah turned into the Allah of Mohammed's faith.
It can therefore be seen that, apart from the Ka'ba and the Black Stone, the very god of Islam, or at least his name, traces back to the proto-Satumian deity of archaic times.
It thus becomes quite evident that, when all relevancy is taken into consideration, the major elements associated with Islam trace back to a proto-Saturnian symbolism.
This is not to imply that Muslims are willfully, or even knowingly, worshipping Saturn when they perform
their devotions. Most of them are clueless nigger cattle.

>>514859615
>feel yourself
So skip all the above and just fap at home then go on with your life.

>>514871329
>absurd ragebaiting
kek ok rabbi

>>514871143
Jews and Muslims worship the black cube of saturn.. Christians don't do this, we're in a new covenant with Jesus Christ.. far away from your lies and deceptions, theres a reason why Christians are happy and get everything done, while you are hopeless and despairfilled. Only Jesus Christ can make you happy, you will never be happy on your own.. the devil will always peck at you untill you break. And you might think you wont break, but you will.. they all do. Some commit suicide, some find a better way.. anti-depressives can't save you forever, eventually the tolerance gets too high.
Time to take your pick. A worthless death, or salvation?

>>514871316
It's the famous "Loi de séparation de l'Eglise et de l'Etat", basically, the state becomes independent from the Church, operating only upon the will of the government and not recognizing the authority of the Church to decide of anything in France. It also guarantees the right to practice any religion without legal consequences.

France had a tumultuous relation with the Church ever since the revolution (horrible event all around that one), but 1905 was the most concrete "fuck off" and it's taught in schools today as a great thing.

>>514869073
Paganism was always symbolic, metaphysical and monotheistic. Most importantly it was based in reality not Platonic fairy tales and Babylonian cosmologies.

What people think of when they encounter paganism is brownoid transactional hoodoo.

>>514871196
Nazi Germany suffered the biggest, most humiliating defeat in human history precisely because satanists like Himmler decided to worship trees and cow dung. Millions of german women - or, better, witches - were raped by the asiatic soviet vanguards, who since time immemorial have been used by God as a scourge upon the pagans. Was it worth it? Did Odin protect the german women as they were being defiled in front of their husbands?

>>514871347
I've suspected as much. Any evidence on the Elagabalus rock thing being the kaba?

>>514871393
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus attempted to have the meteorite worshiped in Rome as their monotheistic deity during his short reign.
He claimed it was the physical manifestation of the sun god.

>>514871551
keep talking, again, I couldn't come up with antichristian material as good as this, I applaude you

>>514871544
This is a meaningless statement given that Plato and Babylon were also pagan, as is "brownoid transactional hoodoo".

>>514871554
I think Hall outlined the sources I'd have to look them up.

>>514871551
Hitler copied the death cult of islam.

>>514871551
>the biggest, most humiliating defeat in human history
still rabbimaxxing, I see

>>514871515
I know of the french revolutuon of 1789 and the revolutionaries trying to replace christianity with some other cults. Many of them were freemasons and deists. I dislike freemasonry but am more sympathetic towards Deism.
Then there was a revolution in 1848 and one in 1871 after France lost the franco-prussian war. I thought the seperation of state and church happened earlier in France?

>>514871667
Of the Manly P variety I assume. Thanks, I'll add it to the list.

>>514868005
>american flag
>retard
Indeed…

>>514871544
pagan refers to the broad beliefs of the gentes i.e non-jews, so within it you'll have both advanced metaphysical/initiatic doctrines as well as what the very ancients themselves called old women's stories at times

>What do pagans actually believe?
Are you scared of it?
There is no one or correct way of being pagan.
There are thousands if not more ways that claim they're pagan and there could be anything from an entity of god status to literally nothing and a void or none of those as each path is different from the next, you cannot define it under one banner.

>>514871699
The rape of Berlin was the biggest mass rape of human history. Abortions skyrocketed, their people's genetics permanently altered by hunnic semen. Their country was divided in half for decades. To this day their eastern cities have entire monuments to the soviet huns who raped them, and no one dares to remove them. To this day they are a satrapy of USA who bullies them into submission with ridiculous things like bombing Nordstream - again the germanics do nothing as when Saint Boniface or Charlemagne cut down their irminsuls.
Name one defeat more brutal, humiliating and all-encompassing than this.

>>514859361 (OP)
My god is about to send man to another planet for the first time, what about you faggot? What you got going for you?
PRAISE MARS

>>514871885
I'm not sure, I mean, when Turks raped the balkans for centuries that was pretty good as well, we're literally talking centuries of christian animals being raped and slaughtered and their children turned into castrated play-things for turks

>>514871885
>Marocchinate (Italian for 'Moroccans' deeds'; pronounced [marokkiˈnaːte]) is a term applied to the mass rape and killings committed during World War II after the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. These were committed mainly by the Moroccan Goumiers, colonial troops of the French Expeditionary Corps (FEC),[1] commanded by General Alphonse Juin, and mostly targeted civilian women and girls (as well as a few men and boys) in the rural areas of Southern Lazio, between Naples and Rome. Mass rapes continued across all the campaign including several locations in Tuscany: Siena, ad Abbadia S. Salvatore, Radicofani, Murlo, Strove, Poggibonsi, Elsa, S. Quirico d'Orcia, Colle Val d'Elsa.

Not the only mass rape during WWII.

>>514859361 (OP)
The same as you do, you just changed our gods with jewish ones.

>>514871728
There were periods of conflict, for example the revolution tried to basically kill all the priests who wouldn't swear allegiance, and Napoleon relaxed a lot of that, but the coup de grace was in 1905 when it became official and didn't change since then.

>>514871885
I hope all anons are sensing the manic glee emanating from this troglodytic banking goblin as he types about this.
>Name one defeat more brutal, humiliating and all-encompassing than this.
The destruction of the second temple and the bottlenecking of the jewish population which cursed them forever with their huge list of disgusting genetic illnesses.

The Germans will be fine. You, however, are reduced to a shadow of your former selves, creeping about in tunnels under goy cities, neurotically fearing the next pogrom each and every minute of your life, unable to even defecate normally due to your bowels being ruined by inbreeding. Seethe, cope, then seethe some more shlomo.

>>514866948
>Why is he listed as one of the two founding fathers of it then?
That is not a very healthy way of thinking. I know nothing about “plasma cosmology” but I know that one can insert jewish names as the founding fathers to it, just to claim it is a topic that should be tossed away because it is esentially jewish as a tactic of deception.

>>514872006
All wars have received and committed war rapes, the point is that pagan Germany suffered the biggest of all. Millions of women.

>>514872159
>asking why a jew is listed as a founding father of an ideology isn't a healthy way of thinking
I bet you thought the vax was safe and effective, didn't you?
>to claim it is a topic that should be tossed away because it is esentially jewish as a tactic of deception.
No. It's is by definition not deceptive at all. It is source criticism and goy supremacism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_criticism

>>514872108
Yes, it's true. All good hebrews became Christian as soon as the Messiah revealed himself. The rest - pagan jews - were wholesale slaughtered by romans for their hatred of God. They got what they deserved, like all pagans. Good to see we agree on something.

>>514871025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery
that same african tribe supposedly knew about sirius b's twin star

>>514861459
The entire pagan identity is being a faggot.

>>514872347
What angle are you even attempting other than ragebait? You're not going to make any friend on 4chan by insulting NS and Hitler and rejecting all forms of racialism. Shills are getting more deranged every day, they genuinely can't cope with the fact they lost so thoroughly on this subject, that every sane Aryan has already left the jewish plantation.

>>514872272
I am not vaxxed. And I don’t outright claim it is merely a deception and nothing else. I just wanted to point out another possible explanation.
I enjoyed your replies in the thread, and I am not here to argue on a topic I know nearly nothing about.

>>514872200
>>514872347
>coooooooooooooooooooope
Even if the last free goy should fall, you will forever remember that Jupiter Optimus Maximus sat upon a throne atop the the rubble of your destroyed temple to the demon yahweh (yimakh shemo). Your menorah is forever gone.
Mars Ultor Vigila.

>>514859361 (OP)
I think pagans also believed their ancestors and their spirits. That's why they valued their family and their elders. No wonder the meaning of Senate came from Elders. Wise and capable men with experience. I think modern mind can't comprehend this

>>514872576
You accused me of deception for being skeptical of jews. What do you expect?

>>514872596
go suck another dick you kike faggot.

thread is gonna die soon, so I want to take the opportunity and send greetings to all the fellow pagan posters.
from Southern Lands with love.

Sieg Heil.

>>514872696
No, I didn’t. At least I didn’t mean to. I only proposed the information in the wiki might be placed there as a means of deception.

>>514872529
I am a Christian, and I crusade against all pagans. Jews, germanics, romans, and so on. All are the same to me. Convert, or be cursed for all eternities.

>>514871648
If you think that “Plato was always pagan” somehow distinguishes his bullshit from Christianity than you know nothing.

>>514872857
We need to go back to this, if you want to think Christians are soft and weak.. let's get them a taste of the history they so desire. Wonder if they'll be thinking the same thing when they are burning on a pyre, or if they'll have second thoughts about who their ancestors worshipped.

>>514872791
Hence why I asked Germanon to explain.
>>514872784
Hail to you argiebro and to all other frens.
Hail Victoria.

>>514872995
how many weeks until you are able to even keep homosexuals out of your semi-empty churches let alone retake constantinople?

>>514873033
saved and checked.

>>514871768
Pagan is what the lower classes and peasants believed compared to the newly Christianized bourgeois class.
Ironically, the bourgeois were Arian Christians and the peasant religion was formed into Julian’s catholized solar priesthood so it was the latter that became Nicene, Roman Christianity. This was always the reason for the East West schism and substantively behind the filioque.
Western Christianity is schizophrenic (I think it’s a conscious cover for a Luciferian cult) but whole Eastern is more coherent, it’s just Middle Platonism the religion.

Plato specifically said that the ideal religion would draw its crowd pleasing narratives from some Eastern faith that would be culturally difficult to unpack and question.

>>514873070
kek
my local priest is a self-described bottom

>>514872857
>I crusade against myself

>>514873070
Aren't you pagans the inventors of homosexuality and incest.. weren't some of your greatest idols gay?.. like alexander, odin, loki(beastiality) etc. Roman, Greek and Germanic culture was filled with degeneracy and filith before the Christians arrived and created order. If you were living in a tribe.. your blonde blue eyed girl would highly likely be taken by the tribes chief and abused.. this is the idols you worship.. the idols of filth.

>>514873070
how many weeks until pagans do anything of any value at all?

>>514861942
>Huehueteotl
hue hue

>>514873255
about negative 104.000 weeks

>>514873255
Theres a reason why we call them 'Larpagans'.. they only have it in their mouths, nothing to show for.

>>514859361 (OP)
>What do pagans actually believe? What do they believe their gods to be? What do pagans believe is the origin of the underlying structure or order of the universe?

>>514873231
keep talking, we need this kind of atichristian material

>>514873231
Alexander’s homosexuality might have been real but had it been publicly known to the millions of ignorant masses, they would have rejected him.
Just because Macedonian elite society is well aware of soemthing doesn’t mean some Persian peasant has any idea about it.

>>514873194
Arians did not think Jesus was God.
The modern equivalent is Jehovas' Witnesses.

>>514873200
you are a fucking worthless whore.

>>514873337
Almost none of the faggotry in Antiquity is present in the oldest version of the sources.

>>514870799
> If you don't convert willingly we'll just do as we always did
Aaand there we go, as always the mask eventually slips off.

>>514873406
Better that than a christkek bottom goy.

>>514873336
>keep talking, we need this kind of atichristian material

>>514873337
Oh please.. most of romes elite and senators were boylovers and faggots, the thing with paganism is there are no rules.. everyone just 'do what thou wilt'.. isn't that your law? complete and utter chaos?

>>514873231
Plato decrys sexual degeneracy and pederasty in Laws.

>>514873471
>still hasn't posted real flag
see you around moshe