Thread 514864930

Why don't people trust doctors & experts anymore?

>>514864930 (OP)
COVID mostly. It's harder for most to take the words of "doctors & experts" seriously when they straight up lied to us for years

>>514864930 (OP)
And did he?
Have pronouns?

>>514864930 (OP)
>I bet you have pronouns too
Fucking blasted lmao

Doctor and hospital are a last resort option, if I cut off a finger today, I’d cauterize with my trucks lighter and carry on. It would have to be forced or very very bad for me to ask any ((professional)) for help. I’m okay dying, sounds peaceful.

>>514864930 (OP)
Because of Covid

why is every "public health expert" an obese tranny?

>>514864930 (OP)
> Lie about absolutely everything during covid hysteria
> Why nobody trust us

I bet Trump still trusts them, safe and effective...

>>514864995
This.

>>514865062
guaranteed.

>>514864930 (OP)
>and then everyone clapped

>>514865062
of course xhe did

>>514864930 (OP)
A real doctor would have said that ivermectin isn't an antibiotic.

>>514864930 (OP)
cool story bro

>>514864930 (OP)
Doctors kill a shit load of people every year, especially in the U.S.

>>514864995
fpbp

Generally speaking everyone knows, often from personal experience, that the covid vaccine DOES NOT WORK, it does not reduce symptoms, it does not do anything, and yet it still comes with nasty side effects. Regardless of your belief in the larger scale conspiracy stuff it's very clear to even the most braindead normie that they were fed a shit sandwich by experts who called it a BLT.

>>514865120
Why not get it reattached?

The dancing chink tok nurses also inspired a lot of trust in the medical establishment.
> Put your mask on everybody is dying
> Now watch us dance like idiots who obviously have nothing better to do

really makes me think

>>514864930 (OP)
What is the proposed mechanism by which ivermectin helps people with covid? Presumably there are people who believe it does, but is it purely an empirical / phenomenal belief?

>>514865336
2nd or 3rd leading cause of death.

>>514864930 (OP)
Most doctors today are just people who studied a syllabus and passed an exam, they don’t actually -know- or have the drive to learn anything, they follow the things they have been taught and have been told to do.

The (((experts))) are just as much prefessionals in their field as a burger flipper at mcdonalds is a professional in his field; taught to do a job and just does that with no innovation or entrepreneurialism

>>514865267
A real doctor would have said "Wait a fucking minute, why do antiparasitics work on viruses?"
Naturally, this requires cognition.

>>514864930 (OP)
>"I am always right, and would never lie or believe lies!"

>>514864930 (OP)
That dumb Dr bitch just got owned by a retard

>dont trust le experts
>Trust random twittertards and grifters instead

If he’s an expert he should be able to explain something that a retard could understand relatively easily

>>514864995
Nothing about the Rona was a lie, medically speaking. They did their job diligently.
What the actual issue was that society demanded young people to rend their flesh so the rich old fucks would live at their expense.

>>514864930 (OP)
Doctors are encouraged to sell people drugs, they also did nothing but lie during covid. No one trusts snake oil salesmen, Doctors are very expensive snake oil sellers.

>>514865588
IDK these elites are all kept alive well into their 90s by adrenochrome and stem cells stolen from children in NY tunnels, and that was the only demographic at any risk whatsoever...

>>514864930 (OP)
Because they have outed themselves as being evil. If your country has an organ donor registry, make sure you aren't on it and never give power of attorney to anyone.

>>514864930 (OP)
Do these people realize the medical works has had to completely backtrack their position on saturated fats too? How many times can you push for the exact opposite of the truth and expect people to keep taking you seriously

>>514865555
>>dont trust le experts
>>Trust random twittertards and grifters instead
checked accidental sound advice giver and put me in the screencap

Because of Covid

>>514865580
Covid was a cold sold as the plague, and the vax did not work, at all. You had to blind yourself and only listen to the propaganda to think anyone knew what the fuck they were doing. In the event of a legitimately dangerous pandemic, any advice from the government or the healthcare industry will almost certainly get you killed.

>>514864930 (OP)
Increasing metropolitan CO2 levels on Earth slowly eroding our cognitive functions. Also, micro / nanoplastics carrying heavy metals (and other nasty shit) deep into our brain tissues. This is all true, and it drives me crazy that nothing is being done about it. You don't even hear it talked about. This is like the leaded gasoline crisis on a global scale, and it's being completely ignored. I encourage you to do your own research into my claims. You will find them to be 100% true. If you know anyone with power or influence, please try to convince them to spread the word. Everything has been slowly going to shit aroudn the world, and this is why.

>>514865207
Trump has been showing signs the past couple of weeks that he's open to the idea that he was mislead by public health officials on the safety of the jabs. It will be difficult for him to go all in on that since it was his decision to create Operation Warp Speed that allowed many of the checks on the pharma industry to be waived. He really wanted to be seen as the savior of millions and even though it was Biden that implemented the mandates, without Trump's initiating the process, the pandemic might have burned itself out before a "vaccine" was developed through normal means (or even if accelerated once Biden got in).

>>514864930 (OP)
He unironically got owned by the retard.

Maybe doctors shouldn't have spent 8 years unironically trying to claim men can become women and firing nurses who didn't comply. Now nobody trusts them.

>>514865444
numbers of truth

Ask them if monkeypox is an STD

90% of Western trained doctors will say no, it's just a regular disease that anyone can get, including infants and dogs

>>514865730
If covid was deadly then why didn't any "anti-vaxxers" die?

>>514865120
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dr9r8z-UTIM

>>514864930 (OP)
taking 4 years to tell me I have a hole in me didn't help. I don't trust them anymore. never will again.

>>514865719
Covid was significantly worse than any other fuckup in history. Transfats, cigarettes, these are things that take years to notice, and likely aren't something that personally impact the average person or at least not in an immediate way. Covid by contrast dominated the lives of the entire nation for four years and was in your face the whole time, nobody could get the vaccine, go on to get covid, and not ask a few questions.

>>514864930 (OP)
because they are cunts who think they have a magister on dumbing things down while pretending they are raising you up to their level (which might well be true in proportion that they are shit doctors and person).

The sad truth is that some antibiotics do have some effects against viruses, indirectly through secondary effects.

Why are they all like this ?

>>514865588
I know of at least 2 people who got sick from the vax, one that died. I don't know of a single person that died of covid. Covid has been an excuse for niggers to call out from work and that's about it.
Covid didn't even take out the boomers, they're all still here buying everything up and driving up housing costs.

>>514865912
PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED
DARK WINTER
YOU ARE KILLING GRANDMA YOU SELFISH IDIOTIC BIGOT
TRUST THE EXPERT HOLY SHIT

>>514864930 (OP)
The Right succeeded in convincing people that intelligence was bad and that they should just shut up, not think and vote Republican.

>>514866034
THE VACCINE MAKES YOU IMMUNE TO COVID BUT IF YOU DON'T GET VACCINATED YOU'RE ENDANGERING THE PEOPLE WHO DID GET VACCINATED
>people believed this

>>514865120
Well, you sound like a profound retard.
>>514865406
Because dude is a fucking idiot. Mixing vaccines with surgical procedures. Just like the one in OPs picture who mixed antiparasitic drug with antibiotic with vax with troonism somehow.

>>514865847
Trump and almost everyone involved at the governmental level treated it like an advanced weaponry research project or a construction site, they waived or sped up inspections and testing and assumed good faith out of the people they were working with when almost the entire medical industry above the GP level is not doing that. If you give Lockheed a few billion dollars and a blank check for mayhem they'll come back with something that explodes, tangible results you can judge. The medical industry is necessarily pretty technical and it's hard to figure out what works and what's bullshit until you've had some time to work with it.

>>514866034
honestly if I saw your type in public now after all thats happened and all that has been admitted (the vaccine has killed millions, they admit this now) i'd stomp on your fucking jaw.

My doctor asked chatGTP for a diagnostic. Embarrassing.

>>514864930 (OP)
I dont distrust them by default but when you grow up you look around and realize most people are lazy and selfish and kind of suck at their job and they do the bare minimum and you realize that doctors are just people too so its rare to find a good one

>>514865062
You bet.

>>514866171
THE MASK GOES OVER THE NOSE ASSHOLE

>>514865580
>Nothing about the Rona was a lie, medically speaking. They did their job diligently.
Not at all, we had our whistle blower leaks about this already, you didn't?

>>514866095
>I am very smart.
>I shall now prove this to you by licking my own boogers off this window.

>>514866176
Its sad to say but that could be a good thing

>>514864930 (OP)
Covid lockdowns happened because boomers are afraid of death. Boomers are the most likely generation to have politicial power at a federal, state and county level.
Then you had news stories peddled to the public in order as I remeber them. Covid is a nothing burger, there is no evidence it jumps human to human, it is less harmful than the common cold, about this time China was full lockdown, toilet paper outages in stores, do not panic buy items like medical mask they do not prevent you from catching covid, 2 weeks to stop the spread, stay inside unless it is to protest for george floyd, ok now you can work again but work remotely and wear mask and distance yourself by 6 feet, our essential workers are very important to us, ok everyone can go back to work now but 6 feet and mask, now everyone get this shot that we tested for 3 months it completely prevents you from catching or spreading covid, oh turns out it just helps you have a lower chance of catching or spreading, oh turns out it just makes your symptoms less severe, no there are no side effects, ok there are some side effects, show your vaccine record to be able to return to work, show your vaccine record to be able to go to events, no the vaccine doesn't cause heart issues, ok it technically has a higher chance of giving you a heart issue than you would have of dying from covid, your county covid levels are now low enough to not have to wear a mask, oops now they are high wear a mask again, Russia invaded Ukraine everyone take off their mask.
I wonder who in their right mind would have any skeptical ideas about the experts after this happened.

>>514864930 (OP)
Doctors have become more politically charged in the last several years, especially during 2020. There was video footage of doctors and other medical staff (at the Cleveland Clinic I believe) pandering to nigger lives matter during the 'Summer of Love'.

>"doctor" knows how a Noble Prize winning anti-parasitic works
>"doctor" also believes that mRNA transfection agents are "vaccines", that surgical masks protect from viruses, and that grandma was saved because someone else was injected with an experiments gene therapy
Laddies and gentle traps, I present to you... the Muttmerican "doctor"

>>514864930 (OP)
>appeal to authority
"The doctor" was asking for it.

>>514866244
This isn't even necessarily true, I was partying with boomers at bars that were open prohibition style (lived in a big city at the time). It was just me, my girlfriend, and a bunch of boomers wherever we went because they saw it was bullshit and didn't want to waste their life at home when they could be out with their friends. I got nothing but chastisement and contempt from my peers about how I was killing people from my recklessness though

>>514864930 (OP)
If he was a doctor with said degrees, then he should have been aware of studies that have been published showing that Ivermectin does have antiviral properties, especially against RNA viruses, such as the one published in Nature.
But I guess keeping on top of one's work by reading one of the foremost journals going is asking a bit much of a doctor.

>>514864995
This. When my doctor recommended the covid shot I unenrolled right then and there. She had sanpaku eyes and I sensed something was off

>>514864930 (OP)
The effect on the future generations of Americans is going to be great. I wonder how many countries na will have in the in a 100 years.

>>514864930 (OP)
Here are some experts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZyvLjefIHE

>>514865495
It's like that with every single field not only medicine, even with design and r'n'd branches. Only handful of people know their shit around some things. And it is usually because they really are excited doing these things. Person who does a job only for money will never be an expert. Just a machine doing a job.

>>514865460
No, Ivermectin is considered a broad-spectrum drug due to its ability to treat a wide variety of parasitic worm infections and its potential for antiviral action against several viruses, including HIV, Dengue, and SARS-CoV-2, according to the NIH. That popped up as soon as i searched "ivermeticin broad spectrum", from my little understanding it blocks the primary viral transmission that covid does to spread through the body thereby greatly limiting its spread through the body therefor making the symptoms lighter while still allowing the body to adapt and fight it

>>514865460
The answer I've seen from the anti-ivermectin folks is that many people have parasite infections they're unaware of. Taking Ivermectin clears that infection, giving the person an immune system no longer hobbled by the parasites consuming resources. This allows the person to be less impacted by a covid infection.
So in the end, even if it doesn't work against the virus directly, it leads to a better outcome. For those who are jab-maximalist, the outcome doesn't matter. Compliance with the jab mandates is what's actually important to them.
The best argument I can think of to support that position is that while people with parasites do have better outcomes, those without parasite who take Ivermectin instead of getting the safe and effective jabs are worse off.

>>514865555
This but unironically

>>514864930 (OP)
My mom gets COVID in 2023, and the doctor told her to take antibiotics.
I tried to explain to her that the doctor is an idiot and antibiotics don't work for viruses, my low IQ brother told me "you are no a doctor"
You can explain how things works, but retarded people don't even try to understand, because is something above their comprehension .
Btw doctors most of them are completely ignorant they don't know a shit about nutrition, they just prescribe their sponsored medication and never try to find the cause of the problem

>>514864930 (OP)
>Why don't people trust doctors & experts anymore?
>'stop worrying about 'the china virus' go back to work
>'do not wear a mask if you are well'
>'ill never take the bogus trump vaccine'
>we stay here for you,you stay home for us
>actually we need to be out protesting,racism is a pandemic

>>514865460
>>>
> Anonymous (ID: Bu0CnESP) 09/05/25(Fri)06:40:31 No.514866205▶
>>>514866171
>THE MASK GOES OVER THE NOSE ASSHOLE
You needed to be taking IVM along with hydroxychloroquine AND zinc. One of the drugs would sneak the zinc inside the virus cell, and the zinc would destroy it. I forget which was which, but you needed to take all 3 things in order to have it work on covid. There are plenty of protocols online that the Japanese, and the "Frontline Doctors" put out about this protocol and how it worked, but I forget.
But its not that an anti-parasitic "cured covid", it was that all 3 worked together, and one of the 3 didn't do anything... That's why some of the bullshit "trials" said IVM, nor HCQ didn't work, because they only gave ONE of the items to people in the study, just so they could proclaim "SEE!!! it doesn't work!!!"... (but they never tested all 3 -on purpose - to sabotage the trials

>>514864930 (OP)
it's funny because the "doctor" is wrong. i bet this didn't even happen. shitty ragebait screencap thread.
>2020
>Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/
>>514865460
it blocks the receptors that covid uses to enter cells.
>Results: Ivermectin docked in the region of leucine 91 of the spike and histidine 378 of the ACE2 receptor. The binding energy of ivermectin to the spike-ACE2 complex was -18 kcal/mol and binding constant was 5.8 e-08.
>Conclusion: The ivermectin docking we identified may interfere with the attachment of the spike to the human cell membrane. Clinical trials now underway should determine whether ivermectin is an effective treatment for SARS-Cov2 infection.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871846/

>>514865128
>>514864995
>trusting doctors before covid
Kek

>>514866726
SIR, YOU CANNOT ENTER WITHOUT A MASK... SIR, STOP NOW !!!

Doctors are just glorified chatgpt, they repeat what textbooks say without understanding it

>>514865460
You needed to be taking IVM along with hydroxychloroquine AND zinc. One of the drugs would sneak the zinc inside the virus cell, and the zinc would destroy it. I forget which was which, but you needed to take all 3 things in order to have it work on covid. There are plenty of protocols online that the Japanese, and the "Frontline Doctors" put out about this protocol and how it worked, but I forget.
But its not that an anti-parasitic "cured covid", it was that all 3 worked together, and one of the 3 didn't do anything... That's why some of the bullshit "trials" said IVM, nor HCQ didn't work, because they only gave ONE of the items to people in the study, just so they could proclaim "SEE!!! it doesn't work!!!"... (but they never tested all 3 -on purpose - to sabotage the trials

>>514864930 (OP)
>If you go to work at your small business you need to pay your mortage and feed your kids you will DEFINITELY spread coof, you and everyone you come into contact with WILL DIE in the WINTER OF DEATH
>if you go and rub shoulders with thousands of liberal retards at a nog lives matter protest its fine though it doesnt spread there
None of this can be believed by an actual thinking person, if you believed any of this shit you are nothing more than a USB drive made of meat and bone, loaded with whatever the current propaganda.txt is

>>514864930 (OP)
COVID did immeasurable damage to the reputation of authorities and "the Science".

ABOVE THE FUCKING NOSE!
TRUST THE FUCKING EXPERTS!

i just finished a placement in a brain injury rehabilitation unit. one of the patients there had self-ceased his anti-hypertensives because hurr medicine bad and then he had a massive stroke like two months later. now he shits in a diaper.

all the best for him and whatever but man these anti-medicine conspiracies are a self-correcting problem lmao. i believe alternative medicine should be promoted and subsidised as much as possible as a form of natural selection

>>514864995
for me it was covid and the assertion:
>go ahead and protest
until people protested outside the home of a Regina doctor that pushed for more lockdowns. Suddenly it was fully agreed upon by everyone in power that you DO NOT protest anywhere but the parking lots and fields that protests are now authorized in.
that absolute dedication to protecting someone loudly trying to restrict my rights.

>>514866838
They shut down all the small businesses around here during covid and only big businesses like Walmart and McDonald's were allowed to stay open and considered necessary operations.

>>514864930 (OP)
Because they started telling people that a man can put a dress on and magically become a woman

>>514866798
id have punched them, thankfully I didn't deal with shops during. fucking insanity.

>>514865555
Doctors aren't experts though. They are just overpaid kinda smart kids who can't even pass freshman organic chemistry.
Next time your doctor tells you ivermectin doesn't work, ask him to draw you an amino acid. It's super simple but they won't be able to do it because they didn't pay attention in chemistry and they have been trained to not think, but only regurgitate information.

>>514864930 (OP)

I have an MD/PhD. My first question for him would be what is the mechanism of action of Ivermectin. He probably wouldn't know. Next I would ask whether cell polarization by gating could influence viral binding. He wouldn't know that either. So then I would say, what studies are you citing to evaluate its efficacy. At that point I would be annoyed he brought up his credentials without being informed on the issue.

>>514866176
it's better than winging it and turning out to be wrong then you ending up getting hurt.

>>514865555
Checkd

>>514864930 (OP)
BASED AS FUCK, fuck these snobs science ENDED after covid, your on par with a fortune teller know sweetie

>>514867177

Maybe the new poojeet kind. Organic chemistry was part of the MCAT when I took it and while I don't care about anti-pi orbitals or Grignard reactions anymore, I easily out performed most of the class. Observation: Most premeds are trash but the people who make it used to be talented. Observation: You may be right about current DEI matriculation.

>>514864930 (OP)
>anymore
The playwright Moliere was trashing doctors more than two centuries ago.

>>514864930 (OP)
Lol have you ever gone to a doctor? The vast majority of them are only in the profession for the status and paycheck, they could give fuck all if you're actually feeling well or not. How many stories have you heard of people complaining about abnormal growths for years and the patients get sent home with some random prescription medication, only for years later to have some faggot doctor roll their eyes and say "ugh, fiiiine, we'll x-ray you" and lo and behold, they had a cancerous tumor and now it's metastasized because they kept having their grievances ignored. And this would just be one in a million other cases of doctors ruining someone's life.

>>514864930 (OP)
For starters, because they cared more about pushing the vaxx during the pandemic then actually helping people

>>514864930 (OP)
Because they say retarded shit like that without any actual deference to science.

>>514864930 (OP)
because doctors lied and people died

>>514866938
Did the vax injure your brain?

>>514865120
Dying sounds so fucking comfy
Kinda cant wait for it

>>514864930 (OP)
>be me
>cursed with psoriatic arthritis
>8 minths of incorrect diagnosis
>problem pinpointed after 20 tests
>doctor prescribes Humira
>"as soon as youre better you can stop taking it"
>take meds, miraculously healed within 1 month
>get call from drug company
>"we just wanted to know if you had any questions about needle disposal or safety"
>"how do you know I'm taking your meds?"
>"your doctor signed you up for an information program"
>"no thanks, take me off your list."
>look up the program
>company lost a class action lawsuit in CA for giving doctors kickbacks through this program, vacation packages and other rewards for prescribing their meds
>next appointment
>"you'll need to be on this for the rest of your life."
>"no."
>be healthy ever since
>if I continued the meds I would have become reliant on them for life
Personal experience, be wary of doctors.

>>514866823
Viruses don’t have cells

>>514864930 (OP)
Conservatives are retarded, OP. That's the entire answer to your question.

>>514864930 (OP)
People figured out formal education coincides with conformity more than intelligence or especially the discipline to find truth.

>>514864930 (OP)
>doesnt say no
makes sense

>>514867840
not as far as i'm aware

>>514865580
Why do Greeks always have the most dumb fuck takes on things?

>>514867177
I can't draw an Amino acid, and I passed Organic chem and Biochemistry.
I used to but I forgot.
How often do you think doctor's need to worry about biochemistry as opposed to taking a much higher meta view of the body as a system

>>514868493
they missatributed death
hid the origin
lied about ivermectin to preserve emergency autorization
they lied about the effectiveness of the vaccine
they lied about mrna treatments being vaccines

>>514868742
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Cheers bud

>>514867340
>a vaccine can get rid of your soul
This shit is retarded. Also the concept of a “soul” is a modern thing. In ancient times the “soul” just meant the “life” of a thing.
Like you look at a person 10 min before and 10 min after dying and the difference is the loss of their soul, the animating force. But that body is still their body. It’s still them. It just can no longer hold together without a soul.
This is the most fundamental theological principle lacking from most modern forms of Christianity. We get this idea from puritans that our life is about having the right beliefs so that when we die our souls can go to heaven forever.
This has nothing to do with Christianity. Christ was born in the flesh. He died, and was resurrected in the flesh.
Christians believe in the resurrection of the body. The dead will physically be raised up on the day of judgement and live in the Kingdom of God.

>>514868163
I figured he meant like an infected cell that's been configured for virus production. Been a while since I looked at ID MOAs.

>>514866938
Hypertension is a scam disease too. How the fuck can you test a skinny person's arm and a fat person's arm in the exact same way and come up with accurate results for either? Is there a certain pressure you can apply to a fat person's arm that will be absorbed by the fat and not felt by the vein? Yes, clearly there is. So is there any wonder every fat person you test will have elevated blood pressure compared to their less fat peers?

>>514868152
Your symptoms will probably come back. You will probably have to take it again.

>>514864930 (OP)
I don't recall the "doctors and experts" directing any criticism towards the people who were tweeting shit like this in January-February 2020, while we already had confirmed cases in California and Washington, and cruise ships were being turned away from ports because someone on board tested positive for Covid.

>>514869432
Not how it works retard.

>>514864930 (OP)
because doctors are unironically brainlets

>>514867486
Yeah, fuck doctors. I was in a car wreck and it took a day for all the bruising to appear so I went to my GP for a post accident exam. I was lawyered up so I demanded this claim be processed through blue cross and not the at-fault driver's insurance company. The dude just leafed through the ER report, said I was fine and sent me on my way. After a couple years of trouble, I get my appendix removed and the doctor says it was obliterated. I have a scar on my right side where the gear shift hit me that was obvious when it happened. Never even got a chest x-ray. I did get 2 CT scans on my neck on the ER, because they forgot to add contrast for the first one. I still had to pay for both. I'm done with fucking doctors.

>>514869432
>How the fuck can you test a skinny person's arm and a fat person's arm in the exact same way and come up with accurate results for either?
that's why the blood pressure cuffs have sizing guides on them you retard. you use different cuffs for different people.

jesus fucking christ. you know absolutely fucking nothing about this and that's why you're wrong about it. if this doesn't make you rethink your delusional arrogance and self-confidence i don't know what will.

>>514869781
>i was completely asymptomatic and the doctor failed to magically know that something was wrong
how do you people think that medicine works?

>>514864930 (OP)
We saw them dance.

>>514869607
>>514869804
It literally is. Is there an amount of pressure applied to a fat arm that will be absorbed and distributed by the fat cushioning the vein? The obvious answer is yes. You can have a reading on the cuff without actually impacting the veins ability to pump at all. This is self evident to non-retards. Cuff size doesn't mean shit. You can pump the bulb, get a reading and not be impacting the vein at all. You fucking know it, I fucking know it, we all fucking know it instinctually.

>>514869852
Idk, maybe if you see massive bruising you take some kind of cavity scan to see if any soft tissue or even bones were damaged. How can I have a bunch of brusing on my stomach and a neck CT is perfectly fine to diagnose? What is even the point of a follow up accident visit if they won't fucking test you? That's their job, you stupid faggot.

>>514870036
>You can have a reading on the cuff without actually impacting the veins ability to pump at all.
no you can't because the way you measure the blood pressure is by listening for the korotkoff sounds of turbulent blood flow inside the arteries. you can literally hear the blood flow stopping when the artery is compressed. that's what the stethoscope is for.

this is why people go to university to learn medicine and shit, anon.

please, continue though. tell me more.

>>514864930 (OP)
This nigger sounds like a woman and I know women or shitskins don't earn their degrees.

>>514870134
>Idk, maybe if you see massive bruising you take some kind of cavity scan to see if any soft tissue or even bones were damaged
why?

weren't you just bitching about paying for scans? and now you're complaining about them not doing scans when you presented with no symptoms other than bruising after an accident?

>>514870176
You're a retard. That same pressure applied to a skinny arm would be impacting the veins ability to pump where it doesn't with a fat arm. So, it stands to reason if you're not a fucking idiot, you need more pressure to affect the ability for a vein to carry blood in a cushioned arm versus a non cushioned arm. Why do people wrap anything in bubble wrap if it doesn't reduce the force needed to impact the object?

>>514870329
>So, it stands to reason if you're not a fucking idiot, you need more pressure to affect the ability for a vein to carry blood in a cushioned arm versus a non cushioned arm
THAT'S
WHY
THERE
ARE
DIFFERENT
SIZED
CUFFS
FOR
DIFFERENT
SIZED
ARMS

>>514870290
>No symptoms other than massive bruising
Fuck you, faggot. I had every right to complain about them doing two CT scans on the same area because they didn't give me contrast the first time. Go fuck yourself, memeflag. That's what your country is now, a fucking meme. Guess that's what happens when you ban normal aussies from coming here ever since the christchurch shooting.

>>514870394
Cuff size means nothing, you absolute retard. That just means they'll fit. It doesn't magically keep your fat from cushioning your vein, stupid.

>>514870422
>i got hit in the side and now i have bruises
A MEDICAL MYSTERY! GET THIS MAN TO THE CT MACHINE IMMEDIATELY!

>I had every right to complain about them doing two CT scans on the same area because they didn't give me contrast the first time
sure, but it suggests to me that if they did a CT scan on your side and found nothing you'd just complain about the cost of unnecessary scans. i've seen it a million times.

>>514870508
>Faggot doctor desperately trying to cling to his relevance
Still wondering why you're here when your government banned normal people from accessing this site.

>>514870478
the cuffs also have different sized bladders you retardo. it's not just the cuff size. the equipment is literally built different so that the reading will still be accurate.

you are not the first person to understand how body fat affects blood pressure measurements. in fact you may be the last person to understand it, because here i am explaining to you how you can adjust and account for it using different equipment.

also i note that you still haven't explained to me how it's possible to get a reading without impacting blood flow at all when the way you get a reading is literally by listening to changes in blood flow. could you explain that to me again, in detail?

>>514870578
>be proven obejctively, inarguably ignorant and wrong
>retreat into abrasive hostility and namecalling
lol

lmao

next time you crash your car just stay home and fucking die, please.

>>514864930 (OP)
Every modern doctor that allowed, encouraged, demanded, injection of an experimental, jewish, genetic therapy entirely blew to pieces the Hippocratic oath they swore to uphold. I only know of a handful of doctors that simply retired instead of taking part in an experiment. The real answer is that by ancient standards, they are no longer doctors. I told this to my entire family of peice of shit boomer fuck doctors and was ostracized by the family.

>>514870639
Kys fucking kike

>>514864930 (OP)
>I tell them my accreditations and then that they're wrong
Why don't you try telling them why they don't work instead of appealing to authority you retarded midwit animal. That's why people don't trust doctors.

>>514870708
blown the fuck out lol

>>514870598
Did I say get a reading you stupid nigger? I said there was a certain amount of pressure you can have in the cuff that won't affect a person with a fat arm. That means the floor is raised because you need to apply that certain pressure before you even start impacting the veins ability to pump. You're not fucking smart, dude. You're brainwashed or trying to brainwash others. We all know you're just a government stooge toeing the party line like every other faggot from your shithole that comes to this site.

>>514870768
>Doctor too retarded to know who he's talking to
Imagine my shock

>>514865191
Kikes took over the medical industry back in the 70s and 80s, when the old guard WASPs died off. Those were the doctors and nurses that were educated in health and healing before WW2. Hospitals were always a butcher's shop, but there was a strong moral fibre in the profession, to the point of associations of religious medical professionals working alongside state governments.

Kikes flood the US between 1930-1950, inflate higher learning institutions with their money, send their kids to become doctors and dentists, while pushing psychology/psychiatry, pharmacology, and "modern treatment methods".

Infant mortality was already improving before they arrived. Total average life span has not increased, but women and infants surviving pregnancy has - but also countered by the abortion and birth control industry. Today, more people are overweight, sickly, and batshit crazy due to pharma and (((medical specialists))).

See pic related for explanation of health insurance and the cost of medical treatment.

Well my mom knew a dumb lady who had a four year old daughter. She apparently caught "covid" really badly and was taken to the hospital where she died. The staff there without a doubt killed her. She did not get the vaccine either.

>>514864930 (OP)
Ivermectin does help with viruses. If you have a parasite infection or other infection your bodys immune system cant function properly. By taking horse dewormer, you rid your body of parasites so it can focus on the virus. This is why ivermectin is helpful in 3rd world countries. Like India where parasites are frequently undiagnosed and untreated.

>>514866823
This is correct. Sad it took this long for someone to post

>>514864995
It's hard to even find a doctor that won't wear a mask. I haven't seen my doctors face, so I won't go see him anymore.

>>514868493
to be fair I usually accuse brits of having dumb fuck takes but for once you are right

What the fuck kind of stupid ass question is this.

>>514864930 (OP)
>being smart: "hey ivermectin isn't an antibiotic"
>being retarded: "someone approved that I am smart, so you are wrong"

>>514870598
You realize he's just wasting your time right? Or it, I guess. Ragebaiting bots are quite common nowadays.

>>514865207
Us?

>>514864930 (OP)
>Why don't people trust doctors & experts anymore?
Notice how the doctor (who is a queer with pronouns btw) tried to make his case. He didn't even bother trying to present evidence or a mechanism of action... he just instantly goes with "I'm a government sanctioned expert therefore you have no right to question me". Argument from authority is a logical fallacy.

>>514868742
>mrna treatments
I read that as "mma treatments" and wondered what the fuck

>>514871110
Kek rev up your vpns boys, he mentioned christchurch.

>>514870788
>I said there was a certain amount of pressure you can have in the cuff that won't affect a person with a fat arm.
no there isn't, because the people who make the cuffs figured that out fucking a hundred billion years ago and made the cuffs to account for that, you absolute fucking moron. that's why the cuffs are so big and have giant bladders instead of just being a small tourniquet design - to correctly distribute the pressure to get an accurate reading.

secondly, the reading doesn't even have to be that accurate. it doesn't matter if you're showing 160 when it's actually 167 or what the fuck ever. when it does need to be that accurate we use different tools like indwelling monitors.

and the worst part is that you're not even wrong. plenty of fat people get incorrectly diagnosed with hypertension due to incorrect placement or sizing of cuffs.

but the point here is that you know absolutely fucking nothing about this topic, know nothing about how blood pressure is measured or what those measurements are used for, assume that you are the only fucking person in the world who understands that fat people are fat, and that your delusional arrogance is utterly impervious to the fact that everything you have typed is demonstrably fucking wrong and retarded. you will continue believing this stupid bullshit and i hope one day it kills you.

>>514870836
blown the fuck out lol

>>514871110
i have the time to waste. it's fun for me.

>>514864930 (OP)
Wow people become inherently distrustful of everything you say even if you happen to be telling the truth sometimes, simply because you helped orchistrate a massive medical conspiracy during covid.

Sorry but doctors lost all trust
Read the boy who cried wolf

>>514864995
FPBP

>>514865392
Who knows the Covid vaccine doesn't work? Facebook moms? How do they know it? A tarot reading?

>>514865555
lol, you are vaxxed and probably have a mutilated penis.

>>514871188
So you can test a 200 lb arm vs a 400 lb arm with the same cuff and it will be accurate for both? Gtfo of here. You're dumb.

>>514864930 (OP)
>>I bet you have pronouns too
millenniboomers are utterly BTFOd pissing and shitting themselves over the inability to handle gen alpha bants.

>>514871306
refer to >>514870394

i know you saw that post because you replied to it anon.

just accept that you were mouthing off about shit you know nothing about and fuck off. i won't even demand an apology. you can just stop posting. but maybe reflect on how you ended up in this position in the first place. you are an arrogant and abrasive person and i bet this isn't the first time you've gotten out over your skis.

>>514865267
Yep. And they would have also known that the nobel prize for medicine in 2015 went to a person using Ivermectin to do these exact things. This "doctor" is either a complete fraud, or a lady doctor, so a fraud with a degree.

>>514864930 (OP)
Because "the science" said if we didn't get a vaccine that didn't prevent COVID and 3 boosters that also didn't prevent COVID or the transmission of COVID, we would die from a virus that had a 99% survival rate. You mad your beds, now lay in them you lying stupid freak

>>514871229
You showed yourself how the cuff goes from 31cm to 40cm. Are you saying it's the same accuracy for someone with a 31cm arm vs an arm 9cm wider?

>>514865457
>Did not specify in vivo or in vitro

Stupid nigger or a paid jeet shill. Impossible to say.

>>514868493
There is a university group in greece that studies 4chan and posts here.Have you not noticed the greek flags that spam threads like self improvement is a psyop and working out is for losers or the classic What radicalized you threads? don't trust greek flags they are feds interrogating you and doing psychological operations. I don't have the post but other anons have posted proof of this.

>>514864930 (OP)
I don't trust anyone who believes that men can become women by taking estrogen and having their genitals surgically removed.

This guy could unironically know the cure for cancer and I still wouldn't trust him because he'd be offended that I didn't call him ma'am.

>>514871422
Yep, just read it again too. I guess 9cm of pure fat doesn't make a difference in your readings. Fucking dumbfuck.

>>514864930 (OP)
Lawsuits thats protocls pf zion ahitnscience not roman catholic not european not flat earth based

Doctors ARE fucking retards though. i've never had a good interaction with one. at best, i go in and tell them what's wrong and what i need, and they actually listen to me and do it. most of them time if you go to 5 different doctors they tell you 5 different things, write you a script for $500 ibuprofen, and shove you out the door. the entire medical system is a scam.
>>514866244
remember the floor arrows? you can't catch 'rona if you turn the store into a one way lane because the virus can't move backward.

I've been dealing with cancer for 4 years. Did one round of chemo and one round of radiation after my first surgery. It came back, and back and back. Tried vegan/clean eating to no avail.
Alternating Fenbendazole, apricot seeds and Chlorine dioxide has decreased my numbers more than surgery to remove the tumors!!! And in only a couple of months. They made me retest because even the testing company thought something was wrong with the sample. Also prayer, not just for myself as I've got a bunch of people praying for me, but my prayers for others in need.

>>514865580
My government literally lied about the stats not just for covid deaths but also lied about how many people had got the vaccine simply for propoganda purposes.

Also im supposed to trust an nhs thats partnered with fucking Palantir jewish murder ai.
Lmao

>>514866628
This is the problem I have with Indians in tech. They can't innovate or think outside of a rigid box. If you do things even slightly different than what they've done in the past or something able to be copied 1:1 they flounder. Indians are the antithesis to RND.

>>514864930 (OP)
>Ivermectin doesn't work on viruses or cancer
Except it does, and several studies and live tests have shown this. A real doctor would know this and be trying to figure out WHY an antiparasitic drug cures these things. Degrees don't mean shit, especially when the people who have degrees are reliably wrong and/or misled.

It's a real shame that true science has been replaced with credentialism and scientism. Researchers don't investigate interesting anomalies anymore, they just take the money and say whatever their donors want them to.

>>514864930 (OP)
But ivermectin isn't an antibiotic (it has antibacterial properties though), and does work on viruses. Its been proven in clinical trials. Same with some cancers. It is also one hell of a dewormer.
Yet another case of the (((experts))) expecting you to believe everything they say because they paid 300k for a piece of paper saying how good they are at remembering the propaganda they're told.

>>514864930 (OP)
4 out of 5 doctors say smoking real brand cigarettes is good for the T zone.
1920's advertisement
I don't know. Maybe it's because "doctors and experts" opinions have been weaponized against the public for over 100 years. Pharmaceutical companies pushing expensive and harmful snake oil pills to doctors with kickback payments and attractive young sales reps ring any bells? Global warming (((Scientists))) telling us 20 years ago that we would be living underwater by now?
How many examples do you want?

>>514870890
>The staff there without a doubt killed her.
They got caught trying to intentionally kill a guy to harvest his organs. he woke up and told them he was still alive. they'd classed him as dead and were about to start chopping.

medical "professionals" are all quacks. if they get their hands on you you'll end up dead. 3rd leading cause of death in the country is medical malpractice. pretty impressive considering most people see a doctor like, once a year. i get in a car every day and the doctor is still winning.

>>514865555
What's the point of having experts when some random twitter account has a higher batting average in the truth?

>>514871507
>university group in greece
What could anyone learn in Greece? How to take the biggest head start in history and still lose?

>>514865067
>>514865533
This, lmao
Imagine having a doctorate just go get owned by some random retard

>>514871487
>>514871537
>I guess 9cm of pure fat doesn't make a difference in your readings
correct.

you are literally correct. the 9cm of pure fat does not make a difference. that's because we're not trying to measure the pressure required to squish the artery (as if you were pressing on it with a finger through the skin) but rather trying to measure the hydrostatic pressure at which the artery collapses, which is the transmural pressure. the quasi-static pressure of the inflating cuff causes the tissue to deform and this deformation transmits the pressure inwards. because the pressure is static the tissue equilibrates. as we know, per Pascal's law, pressure in a confined system is distributed evenly, and per Laplace's law in a thin-walled cylindrical vessel the cicumferential wall stress is proportional to the transmural pressure and vessel radius which is why different cuff sizes are necessary, not just because there's "more fat". the amount of fat literally doesn't matter because we're measuring the internal hydrostatic pressure.

i'm sure you know what all those words mean, right?

>>514864930 (OP)
Ivermectin is a zinc ionophore and protease inhibitor. Both of these mechanisms can, and do, help combat certain kinds of viruses by limiting how fast they can replicate. This guy is either full of shit, or just bad at doctoring, or both

>>514864930 (OP)
Gee. I wonder. Really joggins the noggin.

>>514869469
If they do I'll take 2 shots and be better.
It's been ~6 years symptom free now.

>>514864930 (OP)
Because they're stupid. The politicization with respect to Floydmas hurt their credibility. That's a very real criticism.

Turns out, the people when left to their own devices to "do their own research" get robbed blind by scam products that range from doing nothing to being actively detrimental. Nothing has made me more pro-establishment more than watching boomercon relatives waste thousands of dollars on colloidal silver, methylene blue, Cardio Miracle™ beet powder, and so on. The holistic medicine and supplements scene is grifters and scammers all the way down.

>>514864930 (OP)
Why is this smarty pants doctor posting on social media about this shit?

>>514864930 (OP)
news flash there are dumb people on both sides.

hey doc, you ever met someone who thinks it's normal to cut of their cock turn it inside out and pretend their a woman?

>>514864930 (OP)
>there's no gender, it's a spectrum
>men can be women and women can be men with this simple snip
gee, wonder why

>>514872145
>Blah blah blah let me use technical jargon to sound smart
Hey retard, that all implies you aren't deforming fat out of the cuff. The fat can easily be deformed at the top or bottom of the cuff because it isn't closed, dipshit.

>>514872359
Why would you trust what doctors say about our ancestors and not what our ancestors said about doctors?

>>514865460
Ivermectin is a zinc ionophore. It helps zinc get inside the cell membrane, where it can slow RNA replication resulting in less viral load. It is also a protease inhibitor. This is the exact method of action used by paxlovid to treat covid-19, except unlike paxlovid, ivermectin is not known to cause rebound infections. The only reason paxlovid is used instead of ivermectin for this purpose is that the patent on ivermectin is not privately held, which means anyone can manufacture it legally, which makes it dirt cheap and unprofitable. Paxlovid is very profitable.

>>514871262
This. I took both initial doses and a further three boosters and now I only get covid twice per year, well three times last year but I was only hospitalized once. So yeah, it amazes me that redhat maga chuds still don't trust the science.

>>514864930 (OP)
>I proceeded to-
Fuck off and DIE

>>514864930 (OP)
Well Ivermectin isn't an antibiotic, so he called his bluff. He is almost certainly not a medical doctor, and his degrees do not exist.

>>514872570
that would be why the cuff is so tall anon.

any other genius observations you'd like to make?

>>514871905
and it's not like driving is any safer now than the past few decades. the fucking people i share the road with...

>>514865062
This is really the crux of the issue here, although the likeliest correct assessment is that in xir's mind, it was real.

>>514872359
Fucking faggot. The "experts" are the fucking charlatans and grifters. If I kept on with the doctor's treatment schedule, I would be deathly sick, my immune system would be fucked and on my death bed. Instead, I'm getting stronger everyday and thriving instead of dying
See >>514871658

>>514868742
And still lie where they can

>>514872737
kek. Probably force of habit from writing letters to Penthouse Forum in the early 1980s.

>>514872782
Doesn't matter, it will still deform out of the cuff. You act like this is settled science from the past when the average american today is circus sideshow sized for 100 years ago. It's not settled science. If the top and bottom are open, you cannot say there is no deformation out of the cuff. The volume of a 40cm arm vs a 31cm arm is almost double but you're saying it's perfectly fine to read them the exact same? Yeah right.

>>514871262
Everyone I know that has a had the vaccine still gets covid seemingly multiple times a year. I'm a pure blood and have only had it twice in 5 years

>people
Are you taking about "people" as in Cletus the redneck with an IQ of 70 (a.k.a. homo dumbus) or people as in homo sapiens sapiens?

>>514872741
Maybe he wasn't saying ivermectin is a antibiotic but that it does "work" for helping with covid in multiple ways too. My son had covid last week, took some horse paste when he tested positive.

>>514872888

Have you checked out the "tumors feed on glucose so do fasting/zero carb diet" hypothesis?

My dad got diagnosed with prostate cancer recently (he took two Pfizer shots) I'm trying to get him to try the keto diet

>>514867130
Refusing the vax made sense; because it could potentially harm you, but what was the big deal about putting on a mask?

>>514873105
okay holy fuck i finally figured out what you don't understand. you don't understand the difference between force and pressure.

yes, fat people's arms require more FORCE to 'compress'. you need to use more FORCE to get the same amount of PRESSURE. if i squeeze a fat person's arm some of that FORCE might be wasted displacing soft tissue, reducing the amount of PRESSURE in the arm, but that doesn't matter if i simply increase the amount of force applied until i achieve the required pressure.

the sphygmomanometer measures the pressure in the bladder (which is equal to the pressure inside the arm). the force is provided by my hand squeezing the bulb. the sphygmomanometer does not measure FORCE, it measures PRESSURE. the sphygmomanometer directly measures hydrostatic pressure in the confined system of bladder+arm, and that's why the amount of fat doesn't make a difference.

do you understand now?

>>514873117
>only had it twice in 5 years
ngmi

>>514865444
That dancing nurses thing was so deeply unsettling for me. It’s not like it was just one or two, there were tons of them. It was obvious and creepy propaganda. Not to mention low quality, as anyone with a functioning brain knows life isn’t high school musical and shit like that takes brainstorming, practice, multiple takes, and an editor...

I think it’s likely they weren’t even nurses, but for those who thought they were… that is a LOT of free time while hospital wings are filled with dying people.

The pandemic really fucked me up, I still have not completely recovered and am worried I never will.

>>514865847
The “pandemic” ended because Russia invaded Ukraine and zero other reasons.

>>514873184
Yeah, have done a bit of fasting. Will be visiting some family for the weekend and will fast this week. I'm attacking the cancer on all fronts. Pray for me bros, fasting ain't easy

>>514873420
>that is a LOT of free time while hospital wings are filled with dying people.
You were propagandized, that's an intentionally violent act perpetrated against you by those who take your tax dollars (by force).
You are RIGHT to be angry.
>>514873100
That writer would be speaking the same way up the steps to the gallows
>u ackchewally, the proper word is "hanged", hung is for-ACK

>>514865460
Ivermectin is the psyop to obscure Hydroxychloroquine.

>>514873206
The arm isn't a confined system because the cuff is open at the top and bottom where fat can escape. There's is a certain amount of pressure when applied that doesn't impact the vein whatsoever and only affects fat that then deforms out the top and the bottom. The arm can't possibly ever be described as a closed system.

>>514868742
They killed millions worldwide and harvested their organs during 2020 while they were hyping up the virus and weren't letting hospital patients see their families.

>>514865580
WHERE DID THE FLU DEATHS GO DURRRRRR

>>514866158
You lost tranny

>>514873100
>Dear United Healthcare Customer Service,
>I never thought this would happen to me
>especially not in the farm medicine aisle at Tractor Supply Co
>but when I saw the tube of apple flavored dewormer, I knew that I was going to have a day like no other

>>514873202
Because fuck you, that’s why.

>>514864995
>when they straight up lied to us for years
Really makes you wonder how long they were lying beforehand.

>>514865457
Nigger
https://chatgpt.com/share/68baec69-c28c-8004-b05a-1840831118dc

It's the same thing that happened in the "dark ages", just a little more subtle and hush hush.

I've noticed in the last 10+ years, that not only is science funded the direction they want to accept, but there has been a shift ideologically from trying to prove accepted knowledge wrong to continuing to support what is known.

What has accelerated it was hyper politics in the universities. It all comes out in peer review studies. It will get to the point where we were and there were banned topics to disprove like the dark ages.

Science has taken an almost religious stance where you believe or if you reject you're an outcast and idiot, rather than a focus on discovering new paths or challenging anything designated as a liberal defending point. Low hanging fruit is obviously climate change and vaccines, but the framework behind it is stifling innovation.

The dude is a retard. I'm a physician, i literally just read a paper yesterday about the anti cancer effects of ivermectin in a major journal

>>514870890
This happened worldwide. The best documentary on it was shadow banned on JewTube harder than any video I've seen. https://www.bitchute.com/video/Me9hRzsLF1US

>>514873783
>The arm isn't a confined system because the cuff is open at the top and bottom where fat can escape
yeah but "the arm" isn't the system we're talking about. we're talking about the area directly under the middle of the cuff. remember, we only need to occlude the artery in a point location to create the korotkoff sounds. like i said, there's a reason why the cuffs are so tall.

yes, some fat will be squeezed out of the cuff, but that doesn't change the pressure reading, it only means that for a given force X the pressure will not increase as much as would in a skinny arm because some of the force is being used to move fat around. that deformation occurs BECAUSE of the pressure. the fact that deformation is happening is evidence OF pressure. and secondly, that deformation is not infinite. it's like a balloon. if you squeeze a balloon it changes shape but it doesn't change the amount of pressure inside the balloon.

>There's is a certain amount of pressure when applied that doesn't impact the vein whatsoever and only affects fat that then deforms out the top and the bottom
that is absolutely incorrect. there is no amount of pressure you can apply that does not impact the artery.

(by the way, we measure blood pressure in arteries.)

>The arm can't possibly ever be described as a closed system.
again, that's wrong. fat does not displace infinitely. at the point where the pressure no longer causes any further displacement, the system is now confined by the fascia and tissue that holds your body together. yes, if you apply more force and increase the pressure the system will further deform, and then it will re-establish equilibrium when the pressure is no longer sufficient to cause further deformation. at that point the pressure in the bladder is equal to the pressure in the arm.

>>514874258
Here's the source

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/

Ivermectin has powerful antitumor effects, including the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity, in a variety of cancer cells. This may be related to the regulation of multiple signaling pathways by ivermectin through PAK1 kinase. On the other hand, ivermectin promotes programmed cancer cell death, including apoptosis, autophagy and pyroptosis. Ivermectin induces apoptosis and autophagy is mutually regulated. Interestingly, ivermectin can also inhibit tumor stem cells and reverse multidrug resistance and exerts the optimal effect when used in combination with other chemotherapy drugs. PMC7505114/

>>514874341
>that is absolutely incorrect. there is no amount of pressure you can apply that does not impact the artery.
*using a blood pressure cuff, i mean.

>>514874415
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7505114/

>>514874258
thank you doctor!

>>514873420
>The pandemic really fucked me up, I still have not completely recovered and am worried I never will.

I was mainly disappointed in how credulous the people around me were and how easily they'd turn on you because the man on the TV told them to.
And even some people I knew who thought COVID was bullshit and didn't trust the vax went out and got it anyway when their wagie job was threatened.
The worst was a lady from my parents church who was a nurse - she was one of the first people to tell me they didn't test the vax properly and I shouldn't take it until they have 5 or 10 years of data.
Then when the mandates for nurses came out she suddenly changed her tune, convinced herself it was safe and effective and called me a kook for not taking it.
The average person is NPC cattle. They chose their beliefs based on what they think will grant them social acceptance and a comfy life. They don't care about truth and principles and will attack you if you sticking to them threatens their social acceptance and comfy life.
COVID made me a lot more jaded, antisocial and contemptuous of the average person.

>>514864930 (OP)
They hate ivermectin because it kills the worms that make them want to have gay sex

>>514874258
Ivermectin is the one thing I'll give the alternative health crowd credit for. It does seem to be a penicillin like miracle drug from the literature.

>>514874341
>if you apply more force and increase the pressure the system will further deform
So I'm right but you think it doesn't matter. Ok then. Go fuck yourself, I guess.

>>514864930 (OP)
>Why don't people trust doctors & experts anymore?
Can only speak for myself but here it goes.
>wreck my knee at 15 years old
>know I dislocated my knee and have cartilage free floating in joint
>doctors tell me it's just a sprain and cartilage poking out of joint is just "air bubbles"
>tell me this for 5 years
>none of them gave me an MRI, only Xrays
>Xrays don't show soft tissue
>cartilage is soft tissue
>finally convince a doctor to give me an MRI
>confirms my self diagnosis
>dislocated knee joint
>dislocated patella(knee cap)
>ripped half my knee's cartilage out
>finally get arthroscopy surgery
I suffered half a decade of bullshit because every so called doctor I saw treated me like a junky looking for a fix instead of listening to me. Ironically it was a jeet doctor that actually listened and scheduled the MRI.

>>514874672
hahahaha holy fuck you're so dumb. i literally just saw your post and laughed. christ, some people can't be helped.

anyway, like i said, i hope the next car accident kills you.

>>514874099
I bet you wouldn't talk like that to a zogbot with a gun and badge.

>>514864930 (OP)
The smart ones

>>514864930 (OP)
>In vitro studies in cell cultures show that ivermectin exerted a time and concentration-dependent inhibition of infection and replication, and plaque formation against many viruses representing several families including: Arteriviridae, Circoviridae, Coronaviridae, Flaviviridae, Herpesviridae, Paramyxoviridae, Polyomaviridae, Retroviridade and Togaviridae.
https://doi.org/10.1111/fcp.12644
>In conclusion, results from the present study demonstrated that ivermectin preferentially targeted the stem cell population in MDA-MB-231 human breast cancer cells. Ivermectin has been demonstrated to be safe, following treatment of millions of patients with onchocerciasis and other parasitic diseases, which makes it a strong candidate for further studies investigating its potential use as a repurposed drug for cancer therapy.
https://doi.org/10.3892/mmr.2017.8231

>>514874672
eh fuck it i'll give you a proper response.

the deformation steals force, it doesn't steal pressure.

skinny arm: i apply 1 unit of force and get 1 unit of pressure
fat arm: i apply 1 unit of force and get 0.5 units of pressure

this doesn't matter because my blood pressure monitor measures PRESSURE, not force. yeah, sure, i have to use TWICE THE FORCE, but that literally doesn't matter.

>>514865555
What are you supposed to trust or not from "Twitter and grifters".......oh right, scientific studies and data by the truckload while the experts simply state "believe me because I'm right".
I trust scientific studies and data over "do what I say because I said so"

>>514874617
Thank you friend. There are many other examples too. The medical industry exists to support the patenting of ever newer drugs, some of which are great, but the vast majority of older, cheaper drugs work just fine. They don't want you to know that. Some drugs are repackaged the or four times into new capsules and re patented each time. It's a gigantic grift on the common person.

>>514864930 (OP)
>I bet you have pronouns too
FUCKING

GOT IM

>>514874415
>ivermectin promotes programmed cancer cell death,
TCCD

>>514865555
Which of those two had a better track record of being correct during the "pandemic"?

>>514874585
>COVID made me a lot more jaded, antisocial and contemptuous of the average person
It was not even the issue of COVID itself, or whether or not the vaccine was safe or effective.
It was the simple fact that overnight the the vast majority of the entire world was revealed as a herd of fucking cattle, that is what shook me.
All it takes is some slight plausibility ( no matter how flimsy ) some authority figures, and control over the media.

>>514874585
So my main concern with the vax was my siblings and their children.
Both my brother and my sisters husband STRONGLY condemned (things like “no chance in hell that’s going in my body”, without me priming them to say so) the vaccine very early in the process, so I figured they were going to be okay.

Fast forward and my sisters family got it for a fucking vacation. I still have no fucking idea why my brothers family got it, but they did.
Because I’m a childless loser, my entire fucking lineage is vaccinated.

They fucking knew better and they did it anyways.

I have not formed a relationship since the pandemic. Vaguely because I see most people as NPC vectors for Agent Smith to attack me, but also because we simply inhabit different realities now, and it’s hard to connect over anything.

>>514864930 (OP)
You can't fault anyone for not trusting doctors anymore when the say with a straight face that a man with cock and balls is a woman if he just identifies as one. When you reject basic observable reality to avoid hurting the feelings of insane people then you shouldn't hold any authority. I don't even know how we got to this point. I assume it was fringe Tumblr feminism going mainstream and being accepted as the majority public opinion.

>>514874803
Correct, I don’t speak to zogbots.

>>514864930 (OP)
Notice he never call the other guy a lair.

>>514864930 (OP)
Because jews.
I wish it was just a meme.

>>514874224
> will get to the point where we were and there were banned topics to disprove like the dark ages.
Anon, we got there before you were born.

>>514864930 (OP)
> someone was trolling me and I took him seriously

>>514864930 (OP)
The doctors have no one to blame but themselves
https://youtu.be/oIFLtNYI3Ls?si=e0dcTy6nX0Cmxdhn

>>514864930 (OP)
Medical malpractice is the 3rd leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer, and just to be clear there is an obvious incentive to lie about that stat as well.

>>514864930 (OP)
You mean aside from the century of lies and an utter lack of anything that could remotely be considered morality, yes?

>>514864930 (OP)
> Argument from authority logical fallacy doesn't work!
> Kids question authority!
> This is something new, the world is ending!
Big pharma is officially is a religion.
He thinks the story makes him cool but that "I bet you have pronouns too" wins all the prizes.

>>514864995
This. They straight up told everyone "the vaccine will make you immune". Then "ok, not immune, but it makes you unable to spread it to others". Then "ok, not unable to spread it, but there's no chance you'll be in the hospital". Then "ok you can still be in the hospital, but-" and by that point it didn't matter. Most everyone had taken it and they all made their money.

>>514865062
Most people do.

>>514864930 (OP)
(((Experts)))
People stopped listening to them about health because they saw the absolute kikery that went on during COVID, it was so egregious that even the normie boomers noticed.

>>514873202
>what was the big deal about putting on a mask?
They do nothing except reinforce arbitrary control over the public behavior of people with invented consequences for those that refused to comply. They have no clinical value if worn as they were in public.

>>514871188
ive worked for a year at a cardiologist and I have used a supersized cuff exactly once.
I have always checked placement and sympathicus status.

>>514873105
>Doesn't matter, it will still deform out of the cuff.
Fat tissue is very loose but its not freely flowing between the skin and tissue under the fat layer. Think about squishing a very fatty arm, yes there will be some pushed to the side indirectly, but you cant squeeze fat out lol. imagine how many desperate fatsos would cut their arm and try to wrench fat out.
now that I think about it, this might be a great /pol/ campaign to make fatsos cut themselves.
in minecraft ofc.

>>514865406
He'd have to drive to an American hospital to get it done in time, and he might not be close enough to one. In Toronto for instance, it would take you two hours to get to a Buffalo hospital with good traffic.

>>514866176
your doctor is based for getting a second opinion himself to further improve the quality of care he gives you

>>514873420
>I think it’s likely they weren’t even nurses, but for those who thought they were… that is a LOT of free time while hospital wings are filled with dying people.
You have it backwards.
The hospital wings were NOT "filled with dying people" and those videos were the result of bored people with nothing better to do than waste their working hours to make videos for online congratulatory praise.
The hospitals were never "overloaded" or "beyond capacity". That claim was always a farce. The vast majority of the "deaths" from covid happened after the initial panic and were primarily the result of misattribution of cause because there were perverse incentives for hospital staff to put everyone they possible could into that category.
I visited a lot of hospitals in the spring of that year and they were ghost towns before the vaccines were rolled out.

>>514875884
Medical field is corrupt and full of incompetent and evil people

Why would you put your health in the hands of someone who has killed people because it was more profitable

It's a scam industry, it never was about caring for others but making money

It's about profit

>>514866667
One of my favourite parts about the scamdemic (there are so, so many parts) was that they blocked all avenues of treatment for the disease because of the promise of a vaccine, only to change the definition of vaccine to that of including treatment.
Imagine injecting an experimental treatment that was never tested against transmission, with zero long term safety data, when you could have been ingesting one of the safest drugs on the planet for a year already.
Kek.

No one will ever regret not taking it.
Boost up, retards.

>>514869122
>Like you look at a person 10 min before and 10 min after dying and the difference is the loss of their soul, the animating force.
What about those fungi or parasites that can rewire an organism to make it do their bidding? What can we say about the soul in those cases if the animating force is not the body's own?

>>514864930 (OP)
>I bet you have pronouns, too

>>514865580
This

>>514876499
Okay retard follow me on this…
The people who saw those videos and thought they were real nurses… also thought the hospitals were over capacity.

That’s the incoherent thought process I was trying to point out.

>no they were bored and just had a lot of free time.
This has happened to me both in and out of work hundreds or thousands of times over my life.
Not ONCE did anyone ever suggest we learn a choreographed dance (that any reasonable person would predict a reprimand from upper management for doing.)

The real nurses were probably just posting on Facebook about how they were fucking heroes or something.

>>514864995
Trust takes years to build and minutes to break down. It will be a long time before doctors are trusted again. Some people may never trust doctors again.

Astonishing that someone can type a bunch of words, take a picture of it, and then steal thousands of people's time wasting hours of human capital, all over something that probably never happened.

You all are less than human. You all are less than niggers.

>>514866950
Those weren't doctors allowing those to go on or not, they probably didn't think it was a good idea as well

>>514876712
ask the same about severe psychosis and it gets even more interesting considering the severe mentally ill have been diagnosed as "posessed" in the past.

>>514875752
Operation warpspeed can be thanked for that

Did everybody clap afterward too?

>>514872314
Nice story chud.
When's the last time you had your blood screened for aids or cancer or clots, and had your heart checked for infarction?
Mightb want to get on that.

>>514864930 (OP)
>i have a degree so i know better
How about explain how/why it doesnt work?

>>514865580
Fauci said himself masking and distancing were arbitrary yet some people are so brain damaged and traumatized by these lies they STILL practice them like it's some sort of religious ritual and they get really mad if other people don't "respect" their absurd behavior.
Stop making excuses for these assholes you fucking moron.

>>514868742
And they're hoping people mostly forget about it by the time they scam the world again with another fake pandemic.
If they had completely ignored it and done NOTHING at all, just like we do nothing for the common cold, it wouldn't have even registered as a blip.

>>514868152
>be sick
>go doctor
>get medicine
>it works
>this is clearly a conspiracy
lmao

>>514864930 (OP)
And then everybody clapped

>>514872944
Their new lie is "we didn't know, you can't get m ad at us because we were doing what we thought was right in the moment" except for the extreme measures they went through to silence and censor people and snuff out the truth so they can have their pretend scamdemic to feel like heroes.
There are STILL people out there who behave as if it's the height of the wuhan flu lockdowns, they are completely fucked in the brain.

>>514865495
I met a young doctor years ago and he admitted he just knew enough to make it to the end of each day. In many cases they have enormous amounts of school debt, huge mortgages and high vehicle payments and are dependent on towing the line and spouting the bull pushed by the giant for profit medical/insurance institutions that they work for. Many may know that something in BS or only about the bottom line but they cannot say this or may lose the job. For major infractions of policy, even done with the best of intentions, they may lose their license. They are gilded slaves to a corrupt system.

>>514876825
Every nurse I knew, which was quite a few from all across the country, got in on making a version of those videos in their respective hospitals in the spring of 2020.
I no longer have nurse friends.

>>514866672
If the outcome doesn't matter then it doesn't matter what they have to say. Anything can just be considered manipulative noises towards their goals

>>514877527
The average iq of a doctor is the same as the average iq of everyone else (which is a terrifying prospect when you realise most of the new doctors in this country are coming from average-IQ-of-74 jeetland).
School isn't for thinking, it's for memorization, until you pass the test and move on.
Doing your own research, and using the same AI the average doctors is using for diagnosis, is an act of self preservation at this point.

>>514876825
>That’s the incoherent thought process I was trying to point out.
There were hundreds of examples of incoherent thought processes from that time frame, because the average person is incapable of introspection or re-evaluation of their own prejudices or misconceptions.
Contradictory beliefs are easy to hold if you never examine your motives or reasons for having them.
>Not ONCE did anyone ever suggest we learn a choreographed dance
Did you work in a field that was staffed by 95% women? It doesn't matter to me if they were real nurses or not real nurses. Women go out of their way to make idiots of themselves all the time just for the currency of attention.

>>514873206
You are an idiot lol pressure is force over area

>appeal to authority
countered by
>ad hominem
and he's upset

>>514873727
No, the "man drinks fishtank cleaner and died!" was a psyop, as they had similar names but not even the same drug. THAT was a psyop to scare normies away from even wanting to learn about HCQ..

>>514864930 (OP)
The government doctor put a bandaid on my broken bone and took no images.
Then I got health insurance and received surgery for it.

>>514864930 (OP)
Appeals to authority are not argument, also when that authority has repeatedly abused its position to spread untrue propaganda, their credibility is in question.

>>514875752
Then they changed the definition of vaccine from "conferring immunity" to "providing protection".

>>514864930 (OP)
plenty of antibiotics do work on viruses. You can search about amoxicillin working on flu and cold viruses.

>>514877184
Jew spotted.
They prescribed him a medicine for kickbacks, lied to him about the duration of taking it then tried to make him take it forever after he was better.

You don’t know what it’s like in America. They try to push anti-depressants on everyone. I’ve had a doctor try to give me a script when I went in every time, including
>trouble sleeping
>back pain
>the fucking flu

Doctors are mostly dumb scum and they don’t give a shit. Everyone thinks doctors are just people who were called to be healers in life, but the majority are just fags who wanted prestige and a good paycheck.

>>514864930 (OP)
lmao fuckin' owned.

your job is to stitch up patients not talk to them, know your place Professor Tran-e PHD

>>514864930 (OP)
Experts think what they say is true because it's them saying it. They think their credentials alter reality. Things are true or false independently of whether the person making a statement has credentials or not.

>>514864930 (OP)
>my friend's daughter

>>514864930 (OP)
Thanks to the internet most people are Dunning–Kruger effect retards that only know priori reasoning. They are 100% impossible to argue with

>>514879420
i denounce the talmud
there is truth in both sides desu.
I know about the fucking pharma demons, believe me. the push for ssris is also dagnerous af. i know several nympho-zombie-women-open-relationship who cry when they see babies but cant seem to connect the dots.
but I also know about ultraretarded fucknugget patients who cannot even comprehend basic logic thinking they found enlightenment by reading some retarded blog.
The doc told him he needs to take it lifelong because thats what the statistics say will probably be required. It doesnt mean that its 100% applicable to this patient. a good doc will recognize patients who need more direction and those who will not. but he will 100% save his ass and write "patient was recommended dosage compatible with standards/regulations, declined".
some of your problems stem from your medical field being just another hebrew playground.

>>514865555
You should trust evidence, not experts. Activists posing as academics should never be trusted. There used to be a presumption that experts were making statements based on evidence, but their behaviour in the 2010s has made anything they have to say suspect. From BLM, Covid to trannies, they've proven themselves more concerned with promoting their ideology than uncovering reality.

Don't forget about the kikes flooding the streets with legal heroin and basically destroying middle class White America under Bush 2.0 when doctors were handling out literal kike heroin like M&Ms to EVERYONE young and old.

Yeah, the coof is the big flashy one. But these fucking niggers have been pure evil for a very long time. Someone said doctors are just fortune tellers. And this is wrong because fortune tellers are just trying to rob you. Doctors are trying to both rob AND murder you.

Literally just ZOG drug dealers.

>>514864930 (OP)
ahahahahahahahahaha based kiddos

>>514879928
what does BLM have to do with medical professionals?

>>514879897
Fuck off, kike.

>>514880232
During Covid, medical experts were pushing for lockdowns and telling people of the danger of large gatherings. Yet, they came out in support of the BLM protests. Ideology won out.

>>514877908
This. The only reason to go to doctors is for purely physical injuries like broken bones or surgery, but for any disease, searching online is more effective than going to 99% of doctors.

>>514880308
I denounce the Talmud
Praised be our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ

You could have just answered like the Brit did. BLM riots were not a thing in the EU and irrelevant to me.
>>514880489
yeah that makes sense, thanks

>>514880663
Your little shit hole Muslim country couldn't be more irrelevant, Mohammad.

>>514864995
This was the final nail. My brother is a pharmacist at a hospital and the horror stories he's told me of some of the other doctors and pharma companies made me realize what a racket it was. Said about twice a month he gets some invite to a "sit down presentation" for some new drug, at some $100 a plate restaurant, with some slimy salesman telling them to order whatever they like and it's on him.
Thankfully he told me to avoid the jab since I'm not a 70 year old fatass, so he hasn't completely sold out his soul yet.

>>514865730
>You think you're so smart and know better than experts??
No, I know I'm fucking retarded and know better than the (((experts)))

>>514875288
>I have not formed a relationship since the pandemic. Vaguely because I see most people as NPC vectors for Agent Smith to attack me, but also because we simply inhabit different realities now, and it’s hard to connect over anything.

Same. I have nothing in common with vaccinated women and I can't trust them to see the truth and resist with me when another global scam happens

>>514880796
pripjet

>>514865946
No, the whole anti-fat thing is a lot worse than the covid psyop. Don't get me wrong they have poisoned or killed millions of people throughout "covid" through drugs and ventilators, but the entire western health and obesity crisis can be reduced to the anti-fat crusade initiated by doctors funded by P&G in order to sell processed slop. Fat has always been a proxy for traditional food and the anti-fat crusade has really been a jewish corporate crusade to replace traditional foods with modern foods that are both more profitable and that sustain the "healthcare" industry. I think that whole agenda has affected billions of lives and has shortened average lifespans way more than covid jabs.

>>514874111
When I was young my parents sent me to the same jewish dermatologist that my brother went to. He was put on accutane and had bad side effects. Long story short, when it was time for me to be put in it I said "fuck that, I'd rather have acne"
I stopped all treatment and my skin cleared up in a month. I've never trusted doctors or jews since.

>>514881258

Don't talk to me, goat fucker.

>>514881939
ill do whatever I want and you wont do shit kek

>>514864930 (OP)
Yes, it is called a heuristic. I'm not surprised that colleges have failed to educate this "doctor" on such a basic concept. Heuristics are used to make quick, efficient decisions and solve problems without having to process vast amounts of information or weigh every single option.

>>514882001

You'll live off the government and rape your grandmother, like your beautiful faggot prophet Mohammd.

>>514882063
there is no way you are not a genetically damaged individual kek