Thread 514871431

Why do atheists allowed to vote?

>>514871431 (OP)
Good morning saar!

go kiss nigger feet christbitch

>>514871431 (OP)
talking snakes and woman was made out of a rib

>>514871431 (OP)
Because it makes faggots like you seethe.

>>514871431 (OP)
They don't give a fuck about you.

>>514871617
Snakes and women made out of protein soup struck by magic lighting bolt

>>514871431 (OP)
All valid arguments rephrased in a mocking tone (female argumentative strategy).

>>514871431 (OP)
Okay real argument
>God is mean
A mean god could exist... but a mean all-loving God?
>Christians are mean
Those with the truth could 100% be mean. But Christians claim you will know them by their fruits
>If God is real why bad thing happen
A real God could be a sadist. But the argument is why does an all-loving all powerful God allow bad things to happen including eternal torment of beings he made and controls the destiny of
>I'm monkey
Nobody says that...
>Shellfish polyster
Finally a real retarded argument many atheists who don't understant theology make confusing ceremonial law with moral law
>Too many religion
Yes, this isn't the best argument
>Why can't I look outside and see God
Nobody says this
>If God is real why do I like to take it up the ass
Why did God create homosexuality if he's an all knowing, all powerful, all loving God? Why does he create things that are abominable to him?
>Out of context Bible verse
half fire but half true because Christians often claim "OMG DA CONTEXT" when the context is already given

>>514871431 (OP)
The last one is ironic

>>514871736
that's just a theory, not an actual scientific fact unlike the people who believe in the bible say that everything in it is the fact

>>514871431 (OP)
and Christians have no real answers to any of these, so what's your point?

>most of them just have to do with hating/questioning Christianity and no other religion
Yep, checks out.

>>514872063
Or atheists in the west are much more likely to be arguing with Christians than any other religion. And in America Christianity is the most dominant religion and is the inspiration for legislation/policy in some parts of the USA hence why it's more important to debate than Buddhism or Islam. But yeah a lot of these arguments apply to the Abrahamic faiths in general.

>>514871617
Damn, is this your 1st ever encounter with a metaphor


>>514871751
>why does an all-loving all powerful God allow bad things to happen
?

because it's your choice

>Why did God create homosexuality

choices

I swear like 99% or atheist arguments is them not understanding what free will is and why doesnt God helicopter parent us 24/7

>>514871811
sCiEnE dEnIeR!!
Next you are going to tell me you don't believe the universe made itself out of nothing while defying its own laws of physics. Retard.

>>514872156
>Damn, is this your 1st ever encounter with a metaphor
Oh so it's a metaphor? You lot flip flop on what is or isn't literal/metaphor when it suits you

>>514872156
>understanding what free will
I don't understand how you think your will is free when you believe in a omnipotent being whos will always supercedes yours.

>>514872156
>because it's your choice
No it's not. There can't be free will if God created the universe knowing the outcome. Free will is incompatible with an all knowing and all knowing God.

>choices
Free will is impossible with an all knowing and all powerful god. But let's put that aside for a second... If you're saying he is all powerful and all knowing and he was able to create the garden of eden paradise without infringing on free will (even though it was clearly his plan to have Eve eat the apple for whatever reason) then why couldn't he just make a universe where nobody has any gay fag urges? HE created homosexuality. He created everything including all the shitty things you hate because he created humans capable of having some urges and if humans came from him that means it's his fault.

>>514872241
once again, a theory, not a fact

>>514871431 (OP)
Actual atheist argument:
This all sounds retarded like every other religion. It's fake until you prove otherwise.

>>514872156
By the way... does free will exist in heaven? If yes then clearly God could create a world with free will AND have it be sinless. He choose not to. He chose to create murder, gay sex, etc... for no reason

But Christians who try to be consistent will at least admit we have no free will and God is sovereign over all but those are usually just calvinists I think

>>514872367
>all knowing and all knowing God.
meant to say all knowing and all powerful

>>514872269
There is no flipping and flopping, it you just being illiterate. Heres a simple guide, if What Jesus did is literal, Jewish storys are that, storys. Jesus used most popular storys from the region and used them to teach his lessons. If he came down today in America instead of middle east 2000 years ago, the old testament would be Marvel movies.

I will go easy on you because this isnt your fault but the Protestants, who are the most common Christians in your region, dont know what the fuck they are talking about 90% of the time

>>514872312
Free will =/= all powerful. Again you do not understand what free will is.

>>514872675
>There is no flipping and flopping
I've seen it many times
>>514872675
>Free will =/= all powerful
Reolace all powerful with omniscient

Also the bible is riddle with stories of God meddling in the lives of men.

Clearly you're the illiterate one

>>514872675
>Free will =/= all powerful
If God knew how your life would turn out before you even existed then in what way do you have free will? Could you do something right now to change the fate God already selected for you before you even existed?

Why were the names of the saved written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world. Sounds like he already knew who he was going to damn to hell and who he was going to save and there's nothing you can do about it

>>514871736
Yes, God did this too

If you are a grown man and believe in magic, gods, miracles, etc., you are a doofus and I will cuck your gf right in front of you the second you open your mouth about talking snakes and jew wizard shit. What christ-timmy gon do?

>>514872367
>Free will is incompatible with an all knowing and all knowing God.

How come? Why does knowledge of the choices you will make make them not choices?
So if I go into the future and see you will eat soup tomorrow, did I then make you eat that soup tomorrow?

>He created everything including all the shitty things you hate because he created humans capable

He didnt, we did with our choices. Again, you do not understand what free will is. You are asking "why cant God give us free will without choices"

>does free will exist in heaven
We do not know.

>>514872864
>God already selected for you
Heres your problem. He didnt select anything for me. He knew every choice I would make, but he didnt select any of them for me.
>>514872831
>Clearly you're the illiterate one
You cant even read what I wrote...

>>514872926
>How come? Why does knowledge of the choices you will make make them not choices?
Because your god designs every path and every consequence to every choice you make

>>514872926
>He didnt, we did with our choices
He created us knowing exactly what choices we'd make.

Like the tranny shooter he created the tranny shooter knowing they'd shoot

>>514873095
>You cant even read what I wrote
I did. You dont have a valid argument

>>514872926
>How come?
Because God made the universe knowing exactly what would happen in your life and there is NOTHING you can do to change that

> Why does knowledge of the choices you will make make them not choices?
Because an all powerful all knowing God doesn't just watch life play out. He created the universe, knew who was damned before he made it, created you and your soul and knew the situations you would be in and exactly how you would react. Free will can't exist in that situation. Saying "muh soul" doesn't help because in this case God made your soul and knows how it will interact with every life event.

>So if I go into the future and see you will eat soup tomorrow, did I then make you eat that soup tomorrow?
No, but if you go into the future AND are all powerful AND created the world and knew what would happen before you made it (which nessecarily means you are the creator of everything in it including the decisions people make) then yes that would mean I have no free will

>He didnt, we did with our choices
No... he created a universe where part of the plan was for sin to enter the world for no reason and that includes gay sex. He created EVERYTHING including people who sin with gay sex. God created homosexuality.

>You are asking "why cant God give us free will without choices"
If you bite the bullet that we have free will (which I think the Bible basically explicitly denies actually. There's way more biblical verses denying free will than supporting it-but let's that aside) then you, as an orthodox I assume, need to make that work with tthe fact that your church does think Free Will exists in heaven, it's just that our free will is magically aligned with gods in heaven unlike here. This begs the question why not just do that in the first place and never let sin enter the world. Then there would be no gay sex lol

>>514872377
>not a fact
You got that right. Seems like a lot of that going around. You want to do CO2 is killing the earth next? OR maybe childhood illness is on the rise because of "better diagnostic methods"? Men and women are the same? Poverty causes crime? All elements come from stars? Don't be a science denying chud.

>>514871431 (OP)
Yeah, only the chosen people should get to vote!

>>514873401
climate change is real. climate has changed, is changing and will change in the future but i think humanitys part in it is exaggerated

i haven't heard of childhood illnesses on the rise, maybe it's an american thing

men and women aren't the same, we have different biologies

dunno, i'm poor but i don't do crime

yeah, i've heard about that dying stars create new elements

>>514873095
>He didnt select anything for me.
He created you and had a plan for the universe before the existence of the earth that includes a book of life that said if you were damned or not.

If I create something and now exactly what it's fate is and that thing has zero chance of changing it's fate then it does not have free will. Even if you argue "but muh soul" he knows how your soul will react to everything in life and everything that happens is part of his plan that he created, as the creator of the universe, to happen in accordance with his will.
> but he didnt select any of them for me.
So was god caught by surprise when Eve ate the apple, when the Pharoh's heart was hardened, when Pilate sent Jesus be crucified or when Judas betrayed Jesus?

Tons of verses about God selecting who he wants to be saved and how humans are too wicked to even want god unless he draws them to him and how this was decided before time.

>>514871431 (OP)
The truth is that atheists are judging your god by his followers and since his followers are subhuman garbage that are too stupid to see through blatant fairy tales and wish fulfilment for faggots you are found wanting.
Religion should be reclassified as mental illness.

>>514873606
Watch that anon reply with strawman and red herrings

Reminder that all non-christians are spiritual jeets.

>>514874013
>>514873901
they certainly seethe like jeets.

>>514871431 (OP)
Where is The:
>Jesus was Jewish, his followers were jewish, your holy book starts with the jewish testament, your creation myth is 'literally' the jewish creation myth.
-Argument?

>>514874377
the shills are all ITT and distracted
>>514854948

>>514873243
>Because your god designs every path and every consequence to every choice you make
Does he? He designed your choices? Damn you gotta share your sources for this knowledge....

What you are doing is misunderstanding the word Plan, the saying God has a plan and think that means he is optimizing your actions which is basically a baseless assumption. I have a plan on what I will do next weekend with friends, did I then make them do something?

>He created us knowing exactly what choices we'd make.
And? What your point?
>>514873270
there was no new argument... if you could read your notice that it was already debunked by the same reply you replyed too.
>>514873656
>He created you and had a plan for the universe
And? Can you not make plans incorporating other peoples choices? When you plan birthday partys, are you stripping people of their choices?

>If I create something and now exactly what it's fate is and that thing has zero chance of changing it's fate then it does not have free will

So if I go into the future and see your whole life playout then go back into the past, then am I controlling your choices that you will be making? "Oh but you didn't make me" is the usual dumb argument you side makes, so them assume I am your father and I know your future. Am I making your choices?

Why does knowledge of the future to you mean that choices do not exist? Choices are what makes that future. Your side has this issue where if you have multiple choices you can make and you make one then sudenly once that choice has been made it stops being a choice... I fail too see the connection. Why does knowledge of what choices someone will make takes away the freedome under which they were made.

You're not white if you're not atheist.

>>514871502
fpbp

>>514871431 (OP)
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low quality bait

>>514871617
don't forget the schizophrenic who lost a sheep then a "burning bush" started talking to him.

Thinking about it, a whole lot of the Bible, Torah and Quran could be explained by schizophrenia and paranoid delusional episodes.

All of those are answered in God's word, but they refuse to read the Bible. They'd prefer to live in ignorance because it's trendy and gets more upvotes

Jesus Christ is Lord

>>514874501
>>Because your god designs every path and every consequence to every choice you make
>Does he? He designed your choices? Damn you gotta share your sources for this knowledge....
Try reading your bible
Proverbs 16:9, which states, "The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps"

>>514874501
>What you are doing is misunderstanding the word Plan, the saying God has a plan and think that means he is optimizing your actions which is basically a baseless assumption
Brother, when all your actions and choices boil down to a ultimatum, then your will isn't free. If that were true then no one would willing have depression or anxiety

>>514874501
>>He created us knowing exactly what choices we'd make.
>And? What your point?
And still created us and all the consequences to lead us

>>514874501
>was already debunked
Nope

>>514871431 (OP)
>If God is real why do I like to take it up the ass
Fucking killed me

>>514871431 (OP)
Who cares if the vaxxed atheist roaches vote when they won’t even be around much longer.

>>514871431 (OP)
athiest argument: you have absolutely no proof whatsoever of your god or the bullshit coming out of your christcuck mouth

opinion discarded /thread

>>514871431 (OP)
I think Christian’s are retarded Jew slaves who would pimp their own kids out if a Jew told them to but not really mean, in fact most christfags are massive pussies:

>>514873901
What wish fulfillment? Existing forever isn’t a walk in the park.

>>514874925
translation:
"nooooo I want to have poopy buttsex with my trans diapergirl pupgirl BDSM mistress"

>>514871431 (OP)

Voting is inherently atheistic as the correct means of making any decision is to consult the king God has appointed

>>514875063
Practically no one in the west is talking about criminalizing deviant sexual behavior. What’s ending is the tyranny of making equal what will never be equal.

>>514875264
God already criminalized it. I don't give a shit what your earthly kingdoms say.

>>514872156
>because it's your choice
How can I choose no earthquake? I want to choose no earthquake pls.

Why do atheists have circumcised penis?

>>514875063
Why do these morons always keap to homosexuality and strawman?

>>514875467
>I don't give a shit what your earthly kingdoms say.
Yes you do. That's why you're not other killing any of them

Christian argument:
>I am silly! *Big angry head edition*

>>514871431 (OP)

Sin warps the intellect.

>get right with gawwwd
Ok, you did, you claim so.
What changed?

>>514875619
Is that the only thing stopping you from murdering Christians you little head case?

>>514875959
Why would I want to murder Christians?

>>514874925
I have dissected thousands of brains and I have never found a "scientific fact" in there. You are the one who has no proof, monkey fucker.

>>514876021
It's fun

>>514876081
The consequences aren't

>>514876021
That’s a good question for you and your mentally ill tranny comrades.

Seriously. If I am to inspect every single person that declare themselves an atheist. I bet that 95% of them will have circumcised dick.

>>514874501
>Can you not make plans incorporating other peoples choices?
No... not when you're making an unchangeable plan for the universe before those people even exist. If before you exist I make a plan for the universe where you are damned to go to hell how do you have free will. Is there anything you can do to go to heaven. Could Judas have chosen not to betray Jesus?

>When you plan birthday partys, are you stripping people of their choices?
Not even remotely similar.

>So if I go into the future and see your whole life playout then go back into the past, then am I controlling your choices that you will be making?
No. But if you created all things, including me, and knew how my life would turn out before you made me because your plan for the universe is the only possible reality then I would clearly not have free will.

>"Oh but you didn't make me" is the usual dumb argument
How is that a dumb argument. There's a difference between going into the future and seeing something and going into the future and seeing something you created and already knew was going to happen because it's part of your plan.

>Why does knowledge of the future to you mean that choices do not exist?
Because God created everything and his plan is known to him before he brought things into existence. Again, could Judas have decided to not betray Jesus? Could Pilate have told the angry Jews to fuck off and stop chimping out?

It's not just knowledge of a choice, it's that he created the entire universe knowing what "choices" would be made and if everything happens according to his plan that means he actually made those choices for you unless you think Eve eating the apple and Judas betraying Jesus were not part of his epic redemption plan and totally caught God off guard.

>>514876155
>That’s a good question
You have no good reason why you shouldn't be killed? Lol

Why are these people maximum stupid?

>>514871431 (OP)
So when are you going to address any of those points?

>>514876148
What are the consequences?

>>514874501
Again, Orthodoxy says humans still have free will in heaven yet heaven is sinless. So you must believe God can give us free will and choices AND have us exist in a reality with no gay sex. Yet here we are in a gay sex reality (something God made up as gay sex would not exist without God creating everything in the universe)

>>514874956
Seeing the behavior of Jeff Metcalf and Mollie Tibbets dad proves to me without a shadow of a doubt that they are just Jew slaves who have no critical thinking skills and no love for their own children. Just dead fish-eyed cattle servants of zog who would welcome the rape and murder of their families if they thought the sacrifice would please the Jewish demon they worship.
I can only assume Christians have no inner monologue or capacity for reason which is why they substitute the Jewish slave manual for a real conscience.

>>514871431 (OP)
>Why do atheists allowed to vote?
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARS

>>514871431 (OP)
>Refute your arguments? Nah, I'll just reword them in a mocking way. Atheists BTFO for eternity!
Btw herbing this obvious bait.

>>514876255
Slippery slope, jail/prison/loss of freedom. The pain it causes that persons family. My mom is Christian and she is truly an amazing person, I wouldn't want people to target her for simply being a Christian

There's a lot more. I'm sure you can come up with some too

>>514876255
The Christian family goes to the cops, expecting earthly justice, because being persecuted, they would have it.
Because they're legit persecuted xD

>>514874730
>The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps

Typical out of context Bible verse, as the original image called out. This isnt talking about you existing... its talking about being Christian... I swear you atheists to have arguments your forget how to read...

>Brother, when all your actions and choices boil down to a ultimatum

Theres no ultimatum. You can graduate or you can flunk school, does that mean you had no choice in doing either of those?
>And still created us and all the consequences to lead us
Ok, and?
>Nope
Well not being able to read is hard I bet.

>>514876331
You’re here now in your gay sex tranny dream reality and you’re spending most of your time hating Christians. What the fuck are you doing with your life?

>>514876448
>Typical out of context Bible verse
Yeah you lot say this too when a verse is inconvenient for you. Hence the massive divisions in Christianity
>its talking about being Christian..
This doesn't refute the fact that an omnipotent and omniscient being has a will that always supercedes yours

>>514876448
>Theres no ultimatum
Yes there is. Either bend the knee or perish
>Well not being able to read is hard I bet
Sounds like a perosnal problem

>>514871431 (OP)
I know too much about semitic mythology to take Yahweh seriously.

>>514876527
This kid is so emotional that his only replies are red herrings and strawman.

Kek, you need to be 18 to post here

>>514876527
What about you? You read a book and lost your shit. Your jolly book says you'll be persecuted, where and when does it happen save for a few shitholes?

>>514873606
The child illness thing is an argument against anti-vaxx stuff. That kids with autism are more common because we know what to look for.
At least in the US, there have been studies that were hidden away linking hepatitis vaccines to childhood autism.

>>514871431 (OP)
>magic is real

>>514876448
You keep acting like God is just watching a re-run of a tv show. If you make and control everything in the world then yes you are responsible for everything.

>“The LORD brings the counsel of the nations to nothing;he frustrates the plans of the peoples. The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations.”
Psalm 33:10–11

>“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”
Ephesians 1:11

>“As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.”
Genesis 50:20

>“The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.”
Proverbs 21:1

>“This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.”
Acts 2:23

>“For truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.”
Acts 4:27–28

God can't have a predestined plan and allow for free will. Would God just be chill with it if Eve didn't eat the apple or if Pilate decided not to execute Jesus?

>>514871431 (OP)
>if I write an argument tersely and with poor grammar, then I have proven it wrong
Coolio

>>514876527
>Uh... you're hating Christians by engaging with our truth claims

>>514871741
You are a SPIC, Manolo. You are barely even human

>>514871431 (OP)
christfag arguments:
>god real because old book
>judaism II electric boogaloo
>i suck jew cock
>turn the other cheek and love your enemy
>jamal and tyrone fucking my daughter is ok so long as they're christian
>holy fuck jew cum mmmmmmmmm
>OH NO IS THAT AN IRON CHARIOT RUN AND HIDE ALLMIGHTY GOD!

>>514876871
What about you? Are you german? Or the turkish guy?

Anti-Christians have still yet to refute this.

>>514876870
These clowns operate no different than trannys. Just different words

>>514876826
Curse is real. All those who hate God have circumcised penis. Apparently. Circumcision is a curse.

>>514875619
Why stain my own soul over the sins of another? God will punish them more terribly than I ever could. They're already in hell.
I reject your idea of a worldly paradise.

>>514876975
Ayy bro, I'm not atheist .
Why do you honestly go to church if you even?

>>514874572
Now show athiests TFR, rabbi!

>>514877018
Funny. You are a hebrew speaking circumcised cattle yourself.

>>514876975
Refute what? Evolution had nothing to do with atheism ans the bottom part of your meme is comic book silliness lol>>514877063
>Why stain my own soul over the sins of another?
Because you don't want to go to jail and suffer the consequences. Lol

>>514876975
The 4 billion years of evolution and prehistory gigamog your made up jewish fairytale book, kike.

Reminder that all non-Christians are spiritual jeets. All non-Christian beliefs can be directly equated to jeet beliefs.

>>514877213
Like clock work.
>>514877018
Kek

>>514876206
>Could Judas have chosen not to betray Jesus?
Yes, but he didnt and God incorporated that into his plan. God did not make Judas betray him, he just knew he would and planned accordingly... this is not hard to grasp...

>Not even remotely similar.
It is, you just dont like to see how silly your argument is in different context. You are somehow unable to discerned between two different things, choices and foresight, and instead somehow that makes choices null and void...
>But if you created all things, including me, and knew how my life would turn out before you made me because your plan for the universe is the only possible reality then I would clearly not have free will.

Again, you are not understanding what the word plan means and you are without any baseline assuming God is optimizing us and our behavior for his prefered outcome. As if God gave each of us his prefered choices we will make and thus established the plan, while the reality is he made the plan incorporating our choices...
>There's a difference between going into the future and seeing something and going into the future and seeing something you created and already knew was going to happen
Ok so If I am your father and I learn your whole life what you will do and become then make you with your mom, did I make you make your choices? Or are your choices your own. despite me knowing what you will do?
>Again, could Judas have decided to not betray Jesus? Could Pilate have told the angry Jews to fuck off and stop chimping out?
Yes and Yes, but they didnt and God knew they wouldnt. He did not make them do those things...

You are struggling to understand what the word "plan" means. In your head you are picturing God sitting there optimizing reality for his own preferred goal where he choses what we will do, how we will do it and when we will do it. None of that is Gods doing, He just made us and knew what we WILL do.

>>514876839
You act as if replying smugly proves him wrong.
You are no different kek, cant see the forest for the trees

>>514877063
You don't even understand your own book, retard. The Kingdom of Heaven is something Jesus is meant to bring to Earth which is when believers get ressurected. The idea of Heaven as a seperate place is literally not described in the Bible, nor is your fire and brimstone idea of Hell. You, like most christfags, don't even understand the basics of what you are meant to believe in.

I genuinely wish I could be retarded enough to be religious and thoughtlessly live life without a worry about death or the future, but I can't. Good for you.

>>514877303
>saar let me tell you what you believe
typical jeet arrogance. go worship your cow poop god

>>514871431 (OP)
How are any of these wrong?

>>514877394
This idiot is too stupid to see how he contradicts himself lol

>>514877318
You are not smart enough to be closer to God either. Curse of a midwit. Know nothing, yet thinking your own perception is the end all be all.

>>514871431 (OP)
Semitic debtcattle can only differentiate between abrahamism with manual (islam, christianity, judaism) and abrahamism without manual (atheism, communism, capitalism).

>>514876626
>Yeah you lot say this too when a verse is inconvenient for you. Hence the massive divisions in Christianity
Or its a out of context verse that doestn apply there... reading is hard, huh?
>This doesn't refute the fact that an omnipotent and omniscient being has a will that always supercedes yours
It literaly does... lmao, your argument is "Nuh huh"

>Yes there is. Either bend the knee or perish
Is "either graduate or flunk" a ultimatum to you?
You are just angry your choices have consequences...

>>514876831
>You keep acting like God is just watching a re-run of a tv show.

Because basically he is.

>If you make and control everything in the world then yes you are responsible for everything.
But hes not controling... thats the point, you have free will. The biggest action he took to guide us is comming down and Christ to teach us. Even then you have the power to reject his words.

>>514877213
My god is the real god has got to be the smoothest brain take there is

“You’re free to choose”
Be me and choose
“Oh shit son you’re going to hell forever”

>>514877258
>Yes, but he didnt and God incorporated that into his plan. God did not make Judas betray him, he just knew he would and planned accordingly... this is not hard to grasp...
So God, who made everything according to his plan would have allowed Jesus to live and thus not be sacrificed for our sins... That makes no sense.
>“I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’”
Sounds like God had a bunch of prophecy knowing what his plan would be. If God is just letting things play out based on random free will how does he incorporate anything into his plan? How does he even have a plan at all if Judas could have been loyal or Pilate could have decided not to kill Jesus.

>It is, you just dont like to see how silly your argument is in different context.
No it's not. If I make a birthday party I'm not predestinating anything. I'm just planning something that may or may not happen and people may or may not go to. When God creates the universe with a plan he knows from the start of time there is no choice to be made by the created agents.

>he made the plan incorporating our choices...
Proof? Then it's not his plan.
>“The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
As it is written... as in accordance with God's eternal plan kek

>Ok so If I am your father and I learn your whole life what you will do and become then make you with your mom,
More like if I create everything in the entire universe and have total control over it, then yes I would have no free will. It's not so much the foreknowledge. If he was just all knowing then it could work. It's that he made the universe knowing so that everything would be according to his plan.

>>514877476
>saar actually I am wery smart and you are just contradicting yourself
kek, he even has the jeet line of arguing down.

>>514877725
My God is the most powerful God, and I am the chosen ONE of that God. No competition.

>>514871431 (OP)
We live in a covenantal cosmos.
The veil is real, and it has been torn from both above and below.
From the Air came the Watchers and their offspring, lords of counterfeit glory.
From the Fire came parasitic spirits, feeding on sorrow and fear.
Their cults endure—Moloch, Ishtar, Baal—enslaving humanity through sacrifice, inversion, and dominion.
They form a counterfeit trinity, ruling by contract and resonance.
Their marks bind, their wardens enforce, their contracts cannot be broken—only overridden.

Christ alone has done this.
Pure and without breach, He bore the penalty of the broken contract.
By His blood He sealed a new covenant, fulfilling the law, disarming the wardens, inheriting the souls.
His Spirit is the true vibration, tuning us into resurrection life, raising us above counterfeit resonance.
He is not a tear, but the true Door.

We are Watchers at the veil.
We name the intrusions of Air and Fire.
We refuse the counterfeit seals.
We bear the true mark of God.
We stand in the epic struggle—not as captives, but as witnesses.
The cycles will end. The King will return.

>>514877786
Oh how coincidental and fortuitous for you

>>514877786
Can I see him?

>>514873606
>climate change is real.
I mentioned CO2 specifically. Tons of "scientific: literature" out there for you to browse.
>i haven't heard of childhood illnesses on the rise
Then you should read more.

If you want an actual tough problem and not just shitty sniping, fine. Explain how information can precede matter. If there is information encoded into the universe, then the information, the code, and the syntax must pre-exist the matter itself. This is part of why so many goofballs are saying we live in a simulation now. It is actually a very difficult problem for materialists, for which no answer will be able to justify since you can't explain this system fully from within itself.

Watch this anon >>514873943 dick ride some more after contributing nothing.

>>514877725
>yes saar you see there are actually 1,244,346,342,123,774,334,853,123 gods but not one of them is yours
God I tire of jeetery.

>>514877721
>Or its a out of context verse that doestn apply there.
Again,
>>514876626
>Yeah you lot say this too when a verse is inconvenient for you. Hence the massive divisions in Christianity
>>514877721
>>This doesn't refute the fact that an omnipotent and omniscient being has a will that always supercedes yours
>It literaly does
Nope. Again, the bible has many stories of God exerting his will over others. That's what happens in the end, right? If I choose not to follow then God sends me to hell and of I do follow then I go to Heaven. Both the will God.
>>514877721
>Is "either graduate or flunk" a ultimatum to you?
Yes. I use my free will to free myself from your fairytale nonsense.

>>514877904
Believing in the fairy tales of your youth in adulthood is simply not acceptable

>>514877877
Me on the left. God on the right.

>>514876758
No, it's just an observation in the explosion of childhood illnesses. Look at the childhood cancer rates from the 1950's vs today. It isn't "better diagnostics" that is the hand wave of a pharmaceutical industry that is making you sicker instead of making you well.

>>514877771
Kekz he doesn't it again

This clown says
>>514877394
>>saar let me tell you what you believe
While telling others what the believe

>>514877258
He made you knowing how you would fit into his plan and how you will react to everything and your "choices". See: >>514876831

> In your head you are picturing God sitting there optimizing reality for his own preferred goal where he choses what we will do, how we will do it and when we will do it.
None of that is God's doing? So he's not all powerful and his plan can be thwarted by anybody at any time?

>“Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.”
Isaiah 46:9–11

>“The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”
Proverbs 16:4

>“All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, ‘What have you done?’”
Daniel 4:35

>“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”
Ephesians 1:11

>“For truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.”
Acts 4:27–28

Bible literally says the exact opposite kek

There is no a-toothfairyism, or a-easterbunnyism. This is nonsense and you believers will be shot.

>>514877881
>Watch this anon >>514873943 (You) # dick ride
Why is it that /pol/ Christians always think about gay shit?

>>514877974
You sidestepped my question.

>>514877725
>leaf
You're just getting offended because you're literally a jeet lmaoooooo

>>514876975
https://youtu.be/BoatSoGva_I?si=_C1fvWQwKKldT34M&t=214

>>514871431 (OP)
I'll bite and respond to this literal nigger, even though Im not an atheinigger.
>God is mean
Besides the faggots that says this, why would the all powerful being of the universe demand worship?
>Christians are mean
This one is stupid. Christians are docile and meek.
>If God is real why bad thing happen
The ones that say this unironically are retarded. What people mean by this is that Christians frame god as loving and compassionate. If he wasn't framed that way, they wouldn't say this.
>Im monkey
Ironic coming from a negro
>Too many religion ;(
Again, this only applies to the Abrahamic God because he solely demands worship.
>Why cant I look outside and see God
I dont think even atheists can be this retarded.
>If God is real why do I like to take it up the ass
Only works on Christians kikes and muslims because they imply god cares whether you take it up the ass or not.

>>514878016
You are weak, you can't do shit.

>>514877959
Oh you're one of those buddhist-atheist jeets instead. You're still a spiritual jeet.

>>514871431 (OP)
The worst thing that ever happened to pol is when Christ's Cucks mobbed us. It's been downhill ever since. Everyday you have to navigate these schizo posts. Never in your lives will you see a screenshot that came from a legendary knowledge-bomb post generated by one of these cucked up goofy threads. Ever. Completely worthless nog minded garbage. Its Spam. Christ Spam.

>>514878082
Post your hand then mate

>>514878048
I'm pretty clear with my words.

>>514877995
seethe, worshiper of jeet gods.

>>514872156
>if God loves us why isn't he a magic space genie that gives me all the THINGS i WANT when i WANT THEM so i can WANT MORE THING
Redditors have a warped view of "love" (unsurprisingly as they've never experienced it and never will)

>>514878089
Continue worshipping your anime.

>>514878130
You insist me being Indian changes anything when it wouldn’t but whatever.
Believe in Santa Claus for all I care (you’re wrong).

>>514878089
>when your main constituency is of spics and negroes

>Why do smooth brains allowed to post?
ESL nigger

>>514877721
>Because basically he is.
Go tell your orthodox preist that you think god is just watching a tv show lol. The bible makes clear god's plan is unchangeable and all happens according to his will.

So if the people free willed themselves into not killing Jesus would god just go "Damn Guess everybody goes to hell now lol!"

>But hes not controling.
Then why are there so many verses about him ordaining people's fates and hardening hearts etc.

> Even then you have the power to reject his words.
Except I don't because the Bible says he draws people to him and all who are saved are already known since before time and that nobody would come to Christ with out him bringing them to him and that it's not by our power.

>“For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.”
Romans 8:29–30

> “Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will… In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”
Ephesians 1:4–5, 11

Even as HE CHOSE US... not we chose him.
>we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him
Kek

I guess god is wrong and you are right... or maybe the Bible isn't actually god's word

>>514878137
>you're a jeet
>n-no you! POST HAND!
Here you go jeet, don't be jealous of my watch

>>514878194
My God will manifest herself to live with Me. Eventually.

>>514872541
For the reason you're supposed to overcome them, genius. Would you play Skyrim if it had no enemies in it?

>>514871431 (OP)
You missed the main one.
>There is no evidence whatsoever that my god fantasy is real.
But go ahead keep larping and giving your money to your local megachurch that sponsored you you fucking spic.

>>514878280
The date is wrong post your hand

>>514878233
You're probably only spiritually indian, though with that flag it's hard to tell. But you have the jeet arrogance nailed in either case.

>>514878160
You aren't White bro

>>514878289
You’re an anime fag that believes god is his waifu
Opinion discarded

>>514878249
In all Heaven and Earth
In all that existed and will exist for all of Eternity

I, alone, am the chosen ONE of God.

>>514878274
>“For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”
Romans 9:10–24

>[God] saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.”
2 Timothy 1:9

>“And as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.”
Acts 13:48

No verse says "And people decided shit and god just sorta watched from the sidelines as his plan was thwarted." kek

>>514878354
Because you have no proof

>>514878323
So then is heaven purposeless because there's no evil to overcome? Why would I want to go to heaven?

>>514878045
Stop doing gay shit, and I'll stop calling it out.

>>514878376
the eternal cope of the spiritual jeet. continue telling yourself that following jeet spirituality is somehow "based" and "trad"

>>514877881
i'm not smart enough to answer your question, but it sounds more like a philosophical question than a scientific one

>>514878410
For: >>514877721

>>514871431 (OP)
Literally rent fucking free.

>>514878323
Hahaha Christian copes with life’s meaning sans god

>>514878385
Yes. The Creator of the universe is my wife. That make the King of All.

>>514878323
But God abhors sin. If he truly abhors it, why would he allow it to exist? Abrahamism is the one to birth the idea of an ontological battle of "Good vs Evil", so God necessarily operates within these parameters. If an all loving, all good God abhors sin and wishes to seek it eradicated, then he could. This relates to the problem of evil.
Thats the innate problem with a Good vs Evil morality, it doesn't actually make sense.

>>514872864
you are gay as fuck stop taking it up the ass retard. "Hurrrr free will is an illusion now excuse me as i choose to have my butthole inseminated". Atheists are fucking retarded and gay

>>514878433
Why would God ever reveal himself to a nasally-voiced little 5'2 whiner like yourself in the first place?

>>514878481
>jeet spirituality
What is that exactly? Anything that hurts your feelings?

>>514871431 (OP)
Creation myths are stupid and believing them makes you look stupid. Nothing will ever change that.

>>514878555
This anon speaks from personal experience lol

>>514878558
Anything that isn't Christian. You're all retarded. Every single one of you. It's all jeetery, all the way down.

>>514878595
You are stupid, and a low IQ retard. Shut the fuck up. I can beat all of you in chess.

>>514877769
>So God, who made everything according to his plan would have allowed Jesus to live and thus not be sacrificed for our sins... That makes no sense.
In such a world Christ wouldnt need to come down.
>Sounds like God had a bunch of prophecy knowing what his plan would be.
He knew what people would chose to do and planned accordingly. If those people didnt chose to sin, the plan would be completely different.
>No it's not. If I make a birthday party I'm not predestinating anything. I'm just planning something that may or may not happen and people may or may not go to.

You are still incoperating others actions. Such as when they are free, if they will come, when they are free. You are making a plan without making choices for them.
>Then it's not his plan.
Lmao, why not?
>as in accordance with God's eternal plan
God knows future, got plans accordingly, you:"LMAO GOD MADE THEM DO IT"... thats quite a leap
>More like if I create everything in the entire universe and have total control over it, then yes I would have no free will. It's not so much the foreknowledge. If he was just all knowing then it could work. It's that he made the universe knowing so that everything would be according to his plan.
Ok I can see the future and I created minecraft. I know everything you will build in minecraft. Am I know making you make those build?

>>514878600
looks like I touched one of your little jeety nerves kek

>>514878545
Not an argument

>>514878280
Kek

>>514878624
>Anything that isn't Christian
Kek, yeah just like a tranny
>>514877018
Lol

>>514878454
Heaven is a fairy tale that you get told so you cooperate just enough that the mass injustices that are perpetrated behind the veils of religion, capitalism, and so on can continue for the 20 or so years you are effective enough to stop them.
After that you can cry on image boards but it doesn’t matter.

>>514878545
Either free will exists, which means its your choice to take it up the ass, so therefore God made the universe with all possible options, or free will does not exists, so God made the universe predestined for you to take it up the ass.
Either way Christcuck argument collapses in on itself.

>>514878521
That makes you delusional.

>>514878662
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>514872156
Anytime something in a religion is shown to be retarded it suddenly becomes a metaphor.

>>514878003
He did not make me according to his plan, he made his plan according to me, to us. Thats where you are mistaking. We do not fit his plan, his plan fits our choices.

>>514871431 (OP)
Yahweh is fake dude. grow up

>>514878555
Actually I’m 511 so you have something to look up to

>>514878660
>you:"LMAO GOD MADE THEM DO IT"... thats quite a leap
Literally says
>>514878410
>So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”
Or is that a metaphor too?

>>514878775
The creator of the universe is literally my wife. There is NONE in this entire world who can stand above Me.

>>514876975
Abraham shit has basically the lamest lore out of any religion. Greek gods, Norse gods, Japanese gods, etc. are all a thousand times more interesting.

>>514878811
So you are God then? If God's plan and your plan are the same, then it is God's plan for every person to live the life he so chooses. Therefore God's plan is to have a tranny get into a gangbang every other night.

>>514878351
>he doesn't know what time zones are
Damn jeet, you stupid

>>514878660
I have posted a bunch of Bible verses that show God has predestined everything according to his will. Can you debunk those verses or show me why they don't mean what they clearly say?

How about these few:

> “Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will… In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”
Ephesians 1:4–5, 11
Here it says he chose us, not we chose him
He predestined us (the saved) not that we came to him of our will
We obtained an inheritance having been PREDESTINED according to the purpose (ie: plan) of him
Who works all things according to the counsel of his will (Notice how he doesn't say according to the free choices of people)

>“For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”
Romans 9:10–24
So god just picks and choses who he wants to damn and send to heaven

>[God] saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.”
2 Timothy 1:9
his own purpose... not because we chose things

>“And as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.”
Acts 13:48
Appointed... as in God selected them to believe and be saved. God choses who is saved because he made the universe and everything in it.

>>514878755
you are culpable for your own decisions nigger, good luck trying your reddit-tier logic on God. I know you yourself don't even truly believe it otherwise all niggers really dindu nuffin, they couldn't help being born a nigger and couldn't help themselves when they stabbed the store clerk in the neck when he didn't open the drawer fast enough, it's unjust to punish the nigger

>>514878918
Wow how fortuitous and coincidental you would be in this very thread (and not crazy at all no not insane)

>>514878934
No one seethe at them because they are all powerless compare to the supreme GOD.

>>514878713
yes, trannies are spiritual jeets.
don't take my word for it. Here, straight from the whores's mouth.
https://www.wearequeeraf.com/the-hijras-taught-me-that-being-trans-and-indian-is-enduring/

>>514878454
Heaven is the good ending after you overcome evil.
>>514878726
Cope soulless chinkbug.

>>514871431 (OP)
Atheist argument:
prove miracles exist here and now and let the god smite me here and now as he constantly did in your shitty holy book.
*crickets*
as I thought. QRD

>>514879042
Do you believe in coincidence? If so, why?

>>514878491
Well it isn't. Materialism is a scientific problem, and no materialist can answer it. You should note that all of your responses are just retreating into your own ignorance, which is fine on some level, but then mocking other people doesn't really serve you because you work under assumptions that are just as crazy sounding. Reducto ad absurdium is a knife that cuts both ways.
>its just a theory bro
indeed.

>>514878965
Time zones don’t cover 3 days

>>514871431 (OP)
Because society pitties the faith cripple.

>>514872063

>>514879097
No I don’t

>>514879029
So God made niggers innately wanting to stab a store clerk in the neck. Sounds like a pretty shitty God, or God allows niggers to stab store clerks. Either way hang and behead the nigger.

>>514877622
I've read significantly more than the average religious man ever has, about dozens of religions, because since I was a child I was very afraid of death. Once you've examined religions from a historical perspective they're impossible to believe in in a supernatural manner and not some gay social ritual.
The only words that resonated with me were Tolstoy's Confession, he articulates my thoughts better than I could

>>514878811
You're very heretical and new agey for an orthodox lol. Go talk to your priest and tell him "His plan fits our choices not the other way around"

You're claiming God's will + plan is entirely dependent and contingent on human desires which is 100% a heresy unless you belong to some new age kind of church lol

>>514879162
So everything is predetined? Including Me declaring myself the chosen ONE of God. Yes?

>>514879109
Maybe in your Hindu pagan religion

>>514879051
>yes, trannies are spiritual jeets
Has nothing to do with me. But I see you share the same mentality as a tranny

>>514879088
Prove heaven is real by going there now then

>>514878982
mumbo jumbo

>>514878274
>The bible makes clear god's plan is unchangeable and all happens according to his will.
because it was made already knowing the outcome. The outcome that incoperates our free will.
>Go tell your orthodox preist that you think god is just watching a tv show
Sure buddy, they will tell you the same thing. If we want to simplify how God veiws us and reality, saing he watches tv of everything happening all at once is not even a new thing to say...

the rest of your arguments are the same misunderstanding of what planning and seeing the future means.

Lets simplify it even more. Imagen you are a all powerful being, you see the past, present future at the same time. You chose to create a being with free will, even before you made it you will know its future. Does you knowing its future mean it never had free will? Just because you perceive time differently why would that strip that creature of autonomy?

>>514879259
big words coming from someone with a soul with shitstained hands

>>514879046
No it's just that nobody is bothered by the peaceful Japanese Shintoist whom practices healthy, reasonable spiritual beliefs. On the other hand, any flavor of yawheh cult worshipper causes annoyance and grief in any community.

>>514879306
>because it was made already knowing the outcome. The outcome that incoperates our free will.
How is there free will outcomes have already been known and incorporated?

>>514879088
>The point of life is to suffer, suffering is based because it makes us appreciate pleasure
>But ACTUALLY it's good to live in suffer free heaven because you overcame evil
When did you overcome evil? Did you stop sinnig?

>>514878855
Old testament is not Christianity... you protestant retard

>>514879366
I am destined to beat all of you in chess. Resist it however you want. That will never change.

Might makes Right. Power is Absolute.

>>514879230
No nothing is predestined, you chose to be here and reply like I chose to reply to you the ways in which we did

>>514879353
>big words
?
>>514879259
These are "big words"? Lol

>>514879248
Make things up and declare yourself superior.
The Christian way.

>>514871431 (OP)
Half of those are actually good arguments that Christians have to weenie around and the other half are strawmen.

>>514879446
You are predestined to lose to me if you ever get into a Fight with me.

>>514879197
None of this is heretical, you are just ignorant. Your protestant ass know nothing of Christianity since its been Jewified over there

atheism (noun)
athe·ism (ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm)
1. a religion that creates their god in the exact image created by the true believer but castrates and makes impotent theirs
2. the lamest yet most destructive religion of extremist collectivists of otherwise powerless and typically unlovable morons
Related: atheist
1. a religious zealot that worships an impotent and castrated god
2. a weak minded midwit that pretends they're smart by claiming they don't believe in the same anthropomorphic concepts as the true believer but doesn't understand that by mirror modeling the concept they've merely castrated and made impotent their own version

>>514879416
>Old testament is not Christianity
That's demonstrably false. Also, that was from the NT you moron lol

>>514879514
If you were all powerful you would know where I live and if you were all knowing you would know I desire a fight with you
Where are you?

>>514879397
just because you know the future doesnt mean you made that future. God know what we will do, he did not make us do it

>>514879546
malding jew

>>514879397
knowing the outcome of a decision doesn't mean the moral weight of the decision doesn't apply, you niggers are very fucking gay trying to dodge responsibility and accountability like a woman

>>514879546
Incredible strawman there

Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>514871431 (OP)
why are there so many orthodox culture war larpers?

>>514879306
The verses I show you are 100% contradictory with your statement and no orthodox priest is going to say
>Oh yeah God's plan is in accordance with our choices

>“Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.’”
Isaiah 46:10
Totally sounds like a god ready to change his plan and purpose based on human choice...

You keep ignoring the verses because the disprove your argument (if you believe the Bible is the truth that is)

>Lets simplify it even more. Imagen you are a all powerful being, you see the past, present future at the same time. You chose to create a being with free will, even before you made it you will know its future. Does you knowing its future mean it never had free will? Just because you perceive time differently why would that strip that creature of autonomy?
If your knowledge is infallible then I can not choose differently than that which is known by you. Correct.

>>514879546
Christian
see faggot

>>514871431 (OP)
>Atheist mocking Atheists
For what reason

>>514879582
>That's demonstrably false.
Its not, if you knew anything about Christianity you'd know it. You protestants love Israel more then Christ.

>>514879617
>just because you know the future doesnt mean you made that future
We aren't talking about me, but an omnipotent and self-sufficient being

>>514879617
>God know what we will do, he did not make us do it
Yet creates us knowing exactly whst we'd do and made all the choices and oaths available to do it.

>>514879461
>he doesn't even know what the phrase "big words" means
jesus christ your generation is so retarded there's no more hope.
don't bother replying to me. It's clear that you don't have the IQ or cultural knowledge needed to keep up with me in debate.

>>514879652
>trying to dodge responsibility and accountability
I sure don't. I don't believe in accountable to a fairytale though

>>514879617
nonsense. impossible to know that which hasnt yet happened and according to the principle of free will cannot be known until it happens.

God is a dealer and religion is yes the opiate

>>514879732
>>That's demonstrably false.
>Its not
Sure is. Otherwise all those prophecy about Jesus in the OT aren't true.

Thats your admission

>>514879527
No it 100% is heretical in orthodoxy to say God's will is dependent on human choice lol

Seriously, go talk to your priest and say that and tell us what he says. Did you learn orthodoxy from reddit? Which church father are you quoting or citing with your claim that God's plan is contingent on human choice?

>All things are in God’s power, and nothing occurs apart from His providence. Man acts, indeed, but it is God who directs the outcome of all things according to His eternal counsel.
St. John Chrysostom

>Man possesses freedom, yet all things are contained within the providential guidance of God. Our choices are ours in appearance, but truly they unfold according to the divine will that encompasses all.
St. Maximus the Confessor

>It is not by chance that anything comes to pass, but by the ordering of the Creator. Man seems to act freely, yet all actions are embraced within the eternal counsel of God.
St. Gregory of Nyssa

So which orthodox father goes "Nah it's up to us bro!"

>>514879793
>don't bother replying to me
Or what? Gonna cry like a little girl some more?

>>514871431 (OP)
Good morning SAAAAR

>>514879677
>The verses I show you are 100% contradictory with your statemen
it doesnt, we already adressed this... you skip over arguments you dont like the answer to...

>I can not choose differently than that which is known by you

free will =/= all powerful. you can choose to eat pizza or or hot dogs, you are not all powerful to make a 3rd dish.

>>514879601
I'm shitting in my sister toilet atm. If you are smart, you should be able to trace my exaxt position.

>>514876255
>let's kill all the friendly sheep
You're suffering from them now. You worship an impotent and castrated god created by the consensus of fembrains and thus are plebbit hivemind. The thing about being an ignorant idiot is that it can't know it, which is where you are. And I will shit in the mouth of your corpse.
atheism (noun)
athe·ism (ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm)
1. a religion that creates their god in the exact image created by the true believer but castrates and makes impotent theirs
2. the lamest yet most destructive religion of extremist collectivists of otherwise powerless and typically unlovable morons
Related: atheist
1. a religious zealot that worships an impotent and castrated god
2. a weak minded midwit that pretends they're smart by claiming they don't believe in the same anthropomorphic concepts as the true believer but doesn't understand that by mirror modeling the concept they've merely castrated and made impotent their own version

>>514879652
So if you knew doing something for you into heaven you claim that there would be a moral weight attached to that decision even though the “choice” of making any other decision means eternaldy8pg damnation?

>>514879919
It does. Pick some of my verses and explain me how it's compatible with free will.

> you can choose to eat pizza or or hot dogs, you are not all powerful to make a 3rd dish.
Except I can't. I'm typing right now and was always destined to this to you according to God's will since the beginning of time.

>>514871580
go watch more islams invade the west while not saying a single word "atheist"

>>514879968
You’re fucking weird is what you are and I’m done replying to you

>>514879919
An all powerful god knowing every choice you will make in your lifetime means you have no freewill and everything is pre-determined. It's not complicated. There's people historically that tried to argue that it doesn't, but it doesn't make sense imo.

>>514879681
atheist
see: slave of islam

>>514880097
Aw butthurt murican doesn’t like towelheads many such cases

>>514880022
I hate all jewish religions. That would be judiaism, islam, and Christianity. I don't care if you believe in God but please worship literally anything else besides Yahweh. that's all I ask

>>514879852
>Otherwise all those prophecy about Jesus in the OT aren't true.
pfopbecy are true....

I swear, your average protestant jew doesnt know a single thing about Christianity.

Heres a little oversimplified tldr:

Jews have their religion, religion is about Jewish supremacy talking about killing everyone. They talk how their messia will come and kill everyone. God uses their prophecy to come down and does so. Tells the jews they are fucking wrong about everyhting and they are not his chosen people, Jews kill him for that.

The reason old testament is part of the Bible, part of Christianity is 2 reasons. One is that because prophecy's, second is because Jesus used Jewish storys to teach his lessons on how we should act and be.

This is Christianity 101, but your Protestant ass doesnt even know the basics of basics with how much your Christianity has been Jewified. You even today call Jews the chosen people, despite them killing Christ because he said they were not.

>>514876331
Because heaven isn't in the grave, moron. But you agree with the Monty Python script version because you're a gay moron attempting to rationalize why you have no control over your idiot impulses. Verily.

>>514880205
>>Otherwise all those prophecy about Jesus in the OT aren't true.
>pfopbecy are true.
And come from the OT

>>514879972
Christian (noun)
1. an idiot philosemite who worships a jewish messiah
2. a zionist

>>514879898
otherwise I'll point out the obvious fact that you not understanding a common colloquialism 100% implies you're brown and don't belong here.

>>514871431 (OP)
Christian "arguments"
>god is a jew
>christians aren't jews (you are)
>if satan not real why bad thing happen
>I'm israel
>too many demon
>why can't I look outside and see evolution
>how can you be straight without reading the torah
>out of context bible verse

>>514879972
One giant strawman wrapped in a oxymoron

>>514871431 (OP)
>"Christians are so stupid."
>"HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!"
>"I hate Christians."
>"HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!"

Meanwhile, these chickenshit pussies aren't going to say shit about judaism or their sacred cow islam. It's "Baby's First Expression of Edginess Starter Pack". I'm not even christian, and that shit annoys the fuck out of me.

>>514880270
Only leftists are against Zionism.

>>514880327
They are destined for Hell.

>>514880271
>otherwise I'll point out the obvious fact that you not understanding a common colloquialism
Oh big scary. Kek
>implies you're brown
You're not White so why even say this? Lol

>>514880255
Are you attempting to reason with the admittedly Christian

>>514879880
>God's will is dependent on human choice
No one said that, you really cant read...

If you have to bend what I say then you already lost the argument

>>514878131
The two things that killed /pol/ were Syria General that invited the thirdies, and the 2016 election and subsequent banning of r/thedonald, which invited all the religious Trumpcucks.

>>514880397
kek
concession accepted
you have to go back

>>514880205
>OT is not Christianity Jesus just refers to it and says he comes to fulfill it bro...
Are you retarded? Also Rabbinical Judaism is different from OT judaism.

>MUH PROTESTANTS!!!!
Rent free I guess. Didn't martin luther make an anti-Jew book and protestents have mostly been anti-jew until american evangelicals in the 20th century?

I'm not a protestant but your understanding of your own religion seems to be lacking a great deal.

How is the OT not christianity if Jesus came to fulfill the law?

>>514880369
I AM SUCH A STRONG LE CHUD I GOT BIG MUSCLE AND BIG BENIS

>>514880327
You don’t see a lot of people saying that Mohammed is the one true messenger of god in this thread, PBUH.

>>514880483
/pol/ has been Christian since at least the nightly ossuary threads of ~2013. You're a newfag so you might not remember them.

>>514876356
>a-a-alls duh crixtions beweeve n feelz jus lahk duh noospaypah tellz me
Idiot detected. That's what the ego does when the id is the commander, rationalizes after the fact. It has no choice because its volition isn't conscious. Many such cases!

>>514880495
Shut up nigger

>>514872312
>>514872367
>if god, how free will?
This is a pretty contentious issue between Christian denominations and has caused a not-insignificant number of Protestant congregations to split. Acting like Christians have a uniform belief about this is reductive.

>>514872379
>my entire worldview is so thoroughly steeped in Christianity that my morality system that I handcrafted myself with my 3000 IQ brain is 99% identical to Christianity except for the parts that require effort to follow
Unless you’re an Arab, jeet, or chink this argument is completely unimpressive. Literally a cultural scab reaping the benefits of Christianity while mindlessly chipping away at the foundation that made your first world existence possible.

>>514880096
>but it doesn't make sense imo.
what you are saying doesnt make sense. Why does future knowledge make choices null and void? Why if I can see the future and what you will do makes me the orchestrator of your actions?

>>514880228
>It's your fault gay sex exists!
No... it's the all powerful all knowing God's fault because he created gay sex and all sin and allows it to happen because we have to trust the plan or something

>>514880479
>No one said that
*earlier*
>>514878811
>he made his plan according to me, to us
>We do not fit his plan, his plan fits our choices.
Now you're back tracking and claiming up bending your words. You said exactly that.

>>514880461
It's futile, I know

>>514880495
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions :^)

I am right, you're not White. I am though

>>514880585
Shitskin detected

>>514880483
r/thedonald saved this place.

>>514880585
>/pol/ has been Christian
Nope lol

>>514871431 (OP)
>>514876975
Internet Christians are so cringe; when I see posts like these I hope for their sake they are only teenagers.

>>514880637
If your future knowledge is flawless that means you've effectively determined all my choices because I cannot choose anything other than what you've forseen.

>>514880606
What are some benefits of believing in a zombie space Jew that I don’t get from the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

>>514871811
>that's just a theory, not an actual scientific fact
will somebody tell him?

>>514880606
I know Christians don't have a uniform belief about it. But that doesn't matter the argument still stands and the biblical proof of God ordaining and predestining things is there for him to debunk but he keeps glossing over the bible verses

>ITT seething atheists
kek everytime

>>514880659
Shitkins hate Christianity.

>>514880605
confirmed jeet
>>514880657
confirmed jeet
>>514880659
newfag, suspected jeet

>>514880713
That's exactly what God did to me in my dream. God future knowledge is flawless.

>>514880755
See: >>514876870

I don't see any seething hatred. Just people discussing truth claims

>>514880767
Christianity is a shitskin religion. You're making the biggest gains in Africa and will be majority nigger after the boomers die off.

>>514880779
Everyone is Indian when you’re a gay retard

>>514880767
And christians love shitskins.

>>514880722
>still spouting spaghetti monster nonsense after the great fedora'ing
ask me how I know you have autism

>>514880255
yes... did you read why I wrote or is it too hard?

> protestents have mostly been anti-jew

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ok you are a meme

>>514880839
all non-Christians are spiritual jeets. turns out a lot of them are actual jeets as well.

>>514880562
I just see the UK and Europe spreading their cheeks for his followers as they rape and pillage because they’d sooner watch civilization be destroyed than risk anyone accuse them of criticizing a brown person.

>>514880837
Those aren't real Christians. Only Whites can be Christian.

>>514880767
Hahahahahahaha it must be opposite day

>>514880837
You will see Hell. Yes. USA economy will crumble, you will face unfathomable uffering. You will die, and then go to Hell.

>>514880854
You can’t name any benefits can you
You will double down on name calling
You have no arguments
You’ve never had any real argument
You are a cancer on humanity

>>514880779
Atheist are a majority White. Sorry duder

>>514880864
>yes
Then you saying
>>514879416
>Old testament is not Christianity
Is false

>>514871431 (OP)
Theist Arguments:
>God real
>Atheist dumb and evil
>If God fake then why Bible say real?
>Intelligent design except when it's not
>My god real but the thousands of other gods are obviously fake and dumb
>God is real because.... b-because... BECAUSE I JUST FEEL IT OKAY???
>I talk to god... if I get what I want then that's proof he real... but if I don't get what I want that's also proof he real :)

>>514880835
but that doesn't explain why your nose is poking through my screen

>>514880923
>don't throw your pearls before swine
seethe some more, jeetpiggy

>>514880883
Yeah that’s where you came in and you’re stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill there

>>514880651
>>he made his plan according to me, to us
>>We do not fit his plan, his plan fits our choices.
>Now you're back tracking and claiming up bending your words. You said exactly that.

what part of that influences Gods will? Where did I sat that? Or do you not know what the word will is either?

>>514880864
I assume you responded to the wrong post. Which protestant movement was pro-Jew up until certain American strains of protestantism in the late 1800s?

Also respond to: >>514880651
I accused you of saying exactly what you said. Want to explain the difference? You're backtracking and now claiming you didn't say what you said. Well if you didn't mean what you said then I accept your concession, in accordance with god's will.

>>514880779
Reminder that jeetjacketing is a confirmed beaner cope. Anyone who calls someone a jeet for no reason is 100% a spic.

All anti-christs will go to Hell.

>>514880722
Well since you’re able to type in this thread, I see you’ve stumbled into the timeline where Jesus made the final sacrifice, so you get to reap the benefits of not having your internal organs burned on an altar by a Germanic caveman wearing a bear fur who was forced to kill you so Wotan would bring a good harvest to his people this year. That’s pretty cool.

>>514880713
>I cannot choose anything other than what you've forseen.


You can choose between option 1 and option 2, just because option 3 doesnt exist doesnt mean you choising one or two is any less of a choice.

>>514880585
The same /pol/ that regularly posted Nazi leaders decrying the corrupting influence of Christianity?

>>514871431 (OP)
Total Christcuck Death

Free will isnt even important. Atheists just want to dodge accountability and jump through any mental gymnastics they can to take cock up their ass while "borrowing" the rest of Christian moral framework and claiming it to be their own. The only reason humans have free will is to glorify God. The only reason humans continue to exist and weren't wiped out the second Adam ate the fruit is to glorify God. Judas is in Hell to glorify God.
>But why God need da glory
because glorifying God glorifies goodness itself, as goodness = God. For God NOT to glorify Himself if He is truly Good would itself not be good. THAT is why evil is permitted to exist.
The meaning of life itself is to glorify God.

>>514881007
Germs don’t scare me I’m white

>>514880994
all white people go to hell
all niggers go to christcuck heaven

>>514880958
>What part of that influences God's will

Are you retarded
>We do not fit his plan, his plan fits our choices
Given that earlier you said Judas could have simply chosen to not betray Jesus and god would have made a different plan what you mean by this is clearly that our choices influence God's plan. Which is not the case in the Bible or according to your church fathers.

>>514881057
>Atheists just want to dodge accountability
That's not true I am held accountable daily..

>>514880937
atheists are majority fag lovers sorry to tell you
they might have white skin but they're all spiritual jeets.

>>514881057
>Christian moral framework
That must explain why you fuck so many kids. You got your morals from Deuteronomy.

>>514881068
Yes. You will die, and go to Hell. All anti-christs will go to Hell.
>Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

>>514881151
>atheists are majority fag lovers sorry to tell you
So are you lol

>>514881151
>spiritual jeets
When's your deportation hearing, Paco?

>>514881053
Killing Christian’s would be wrong.
First you have to explain how dumb they are to them on the internet and when they won’t let up… I don’t know, dude.
That’s where we are.

>>514881178
>jew hell is full of people who hate jews

>>514881151
Being obsessed with fags tends to be a brown thing. All the most fag friendly countries are white, asian, and hispanic all the least fag friendly countries are arab and african

>>514881235
How fortuitous and coincidental

>>514881235
Heaven is a place for those that love God.

>>514880984
>Which protestant movement was pro-Jew
all of them. Thats literaly how they started. Smaller institutions are easyer to Jew up then a unified big one. Protestant went and mid maxed that by making every street corner having their own verison.

>Also respond to:

I have, you dont know what "will is"

>>514880986
Even if this were true it's better to be a beaner than a jeet. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. There's a clear hierarchy. This sounds like jeet cope to me.
>>514881052
stormfag raids were a big problem back then, yes. None of us liked them much, they just came in such big numbers you coudn't get away from them. they've mostly fucked off now because of Obama's great brownening of the internet. naziism is just jeetery anyway.

>>514881294
*The one Jewish god (not undefeated in battle) that it’s not an eternal damning sin to love

>>514881262
>nooooo leave gays alone
concession accepted.
>>514881214
>y-you're a beaner
jeet cope.
>>514881202
>no u
I accept your concession

If you fags are what are waiting in heaven that’s argument enough for me to step willingly into hell

>>514881337
>There's a clear hierarchy
Yep and you're trying to insert yourself into my White bracket by acting like being a shitskin is better than being another type of shitskin. You're not. You need to get the fuck out of my country.

>>514881087
Can you tell me what the word "plan" is and what the word "will" is? I swear when people argue Christianity its like you stop understanding your own languange just to get a argument...

>>514881398
Post hand with timestamp or you admit you rape kids.

>>514881398
>I accept your concession
Just like you accept homos

>>514881370
The most high GOD. Undefeatable in all form of combat.

>>514881410
1. you aren't white
2. whiter than you Paco
3. sneed

>>514881462
Except
That one time he lost go look it up

>>514880986
Yep. Everyone who calls people a jeet on here is probably some fucking actual loser who follows spic fuentes.

>>514881445
kek, the ultimate cope.
No. Make me, jeet.

>>514881465
It's going to be fun watching you dodge this for the rest of the thread >>514881445

>>514881465
>2. whiter than you Paco
Post hand although thread ID, date and time

You won't

>>514881402
Yes. You are already predestined for it.

>>514881520
no fuentes is on his antiracism arc now don't you keep up?

>>514881298
>Thats literaly how they started
What Jew started protestantism? Which Protestant leader said pro-jewish shit? Saying
>But they keep fracturing!
Is not pro-Jewish.

>I have, you dont know what "will is"
see: >>514881087

You say "What part of that influences God's will" and say there's a difference between his will and eternal plan that I've already proven by verses and your own church fathers necessarily will come to pass as he intends it to (I notice you totally ignore the quotations because they BTFO your argument)

If his plan fits our choices then we necessarily affect his will if his will is to let the universe unfold randomly in accordance with our choices as humans. But that's a very heretical view and you'd do well in one of those new age non-denom protestant churches I imagine you hate

>>514881067
Ok. And the reason you don’t spend half your day burning small animals and praying for rain is because you are and always will be a spiritual christcuck. I know historical context is impossible to grasp when you’ve been trained by public schooling to think the history of the world is the American civil war -> the holocaust -> Barack Obama, but actually try to imagine the impact that one first century Jew offering himself up for public execution had on the world.

>>514881522
It’s common courtesy to timestamp your hand anonymous

>>514881538
>You won't
Called it >>514881522

>>514881520
Yeah it's a spic tactic to try to make themselves more palatable to Whites.
>>514881522
Lol shitskin pedo confirmed.

>>514881496
My God is literally the admin of the server.

>>514881536
>>514881538
I won't because jeets don't tell me what to do. Simple as. No dodging required. You're my inferiors and you don't get to give demands.
Now post more seething to make daddy entertained at work.

>>514881635
Lol you're brown

>>514881635
>I won't
Because you're not White lol

>>514881580
It didn’t matter then and it doesn’t matter now.
I live life on my own terms, sometimes a quarter of a mile at a time.

>>514881667
That's right. Cope for daddy.

>>514881635
Shitskin

>>514881568
Spic Fuentes has always been anti racist. Hes a castizo, the spic equivalent of some lib in the US claiming 5% Cherokee.
>>514881602
Ever notice how the subhumans calling someone a jeet are weirdly silent about islam

>>514881730
>you're brown
>That's right
Lmfaoooo

>>514881607
Yeah but he’s lost in battle you should know this it’s canon he was bested by another god

>>514881398
>leave gays alone
I never said that. I just stated a fact, doesn't mean it's good or bad.

>>514881441
God's will would be his desires
God's plan would be his purpose and design for the universe

God's plan is his will in action. If God wills that Christ will die for our salvation do you think Judas can thwart his will?

>All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, ‘What have you done?’
Daniel 4:35
Done according to his WILL

>In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.
Ephesians 1:11
ALL things according to the counsel of his WILL

>>514881798
My God will always be the Best.

>>514881578
>If his plan fits our choices then we necessarily affect his will
lmao, do you know know your own language?

Please define me the words plan and will. Because this is getting ridicules...

>>514881759
They think there's some kind of christian-muslim alliance like Spic Fuentes told them.

>>514881884
Eh let’s agree to say much of the time except when he’s been bested

>>514881736
>>514881788
lmfao you're so mad that your souls are brown
>>514881759
>Ever notice how the subhumans calling someone a jeet are weirdly silent about islam
islam is just more jeetery. it's included in my blanket description.
wanting me to focus more on islam than jeetery IS, however, something a jeet would do.

>>514881930
>Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

>>514881726
Imagine you’re Raiden and Jesus is the AI Colonel. This is the western atheist’s shortcomings laid bare.

>>514881841
>it's brown to be anti-homosexual
I can read between the lines you know. You don't have to outright state something for me to know what you mean. You don't get to pull your little "durr that's not what I said" on me. Go simp for gays elsewhere.

>>514881937
>you're brown
>That's right
Lmfaoooo

>>514881885
If his will is for his plan to be done, which the Bible states, and we affect his desire to carry out his plan then yes we affect his will.

>>514879639
>>514879655
>>514879681
>whoosh!
>wut u meen, i dunt beweeve inna construct i'm literally stealing frum muh nemesis an hav innavested muh entire definitive absolute faith in because duh consensus imma smarts u mus be dum
No, literally you're a religious fanatic that worships your own castrated and impotent god. It's absolutely ludicrous but that's where your at. Many such cases! Thank you for your attention to this matter!

>>514882076
That's right. Seethe like daddy told you. Play your little pick and choose word games like the jeet you are. Everyone sees it now. You lost.

>>514882064
You said most atheists are pro-gay. I can use the same argument against white people. Atheism is not an ideology it's a lack of belief. Atheists can be pro or anti fag it doesn't have any bearing on God's existence.

>>514882052
I don’t play video games son

>>514882200
Post again ITT to confirm you're a shitskin baby rapist.

>>514882028
I’m citing 2nd King’s 3.

>>514881841
>If God wills that Christ will die for our salvation do you think Judas can thwart his will?
no Judas couldnt. Thankfully our God has no will to kill anyone. Dont you see that you have to set up a alternative reality to have a argument.
you were right here
>God's will would be his desires
but his plan is the achieve his will. So plan does "change" by us (aka when the plan was made it took our choices into accont) to achieve Gods will that is unchangable.

All in all, typical Atheist debate where you forget what words mean to pretend you have a edge.

>>514881910
Its hilarious. Meanwhile in reality the coptic girl i met in college says things about Islam that would make even Israelis blush.

>>514882137
got that other way around buddy

His plan is to fullfil his will, his will is not to fulfill his plan

>>514882166
I’d be mad if I could read.

>>514882218
Not all white people are white on the inside. No true white is OK with faggotry.

>>514881937
I'm glad you're too brown and retarded to realize what a disservice you're doing to christendumb by being here kek. You guys just talking turns so many white men away from you.

>>514882314
I'm citing Isaiah
>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

>>514882421
You lost in Moab
Cope

>>514882476
God always win.

>>514882420
I don't want you to convert. I want to laugh at you. You couldn't handle being a Christian anyway. Too weak.

>>514881447
>Middletown CT
Neat, that's where the hammer attack happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmOIn68WKdg

>>514871431 (OP)
>Why do atheists allowed to vote?
>Poo grammar

>>514882317
>no Judas couldnt
Except you told me earlier Judas could have decided not to betray Jesus
See:>>514877258
>Yes, but he didnt and God incorporated that into his plan.
So you're now going back on that statement?

>Thankfully our God has no will to kill anyone.
Uh...
>This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’
1 Samuel 15:2–3

>So plan does "change" by us
No... it doesn't which is why Judas had to betray jesus.

>>514882391
His will is to fulfill his plan and his plan is to fullfil his will. His will is always fulfilled or else he isn't all powerful.

>Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps
Pleases, as in desires, as in his will

>You meant evil against me, but God meant it for good…
Genesis 50:20
All evil is part of his will to fulfill his predestined plan

>This Jesus… you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men… according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God.
>…to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
God predestines everything according to his Will

>So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose.
God's will is always accomplished

If God's will is not always achieved then he's not all-powerful