Thread 514912626

I am suspicious of the number of 'right-wing' online commentators who claim to be Christian 'converts' of various types. Because I don't think conversion is even possible. Especially to sects to which you have no natural ethnic or family connection, like many 'orthodox' converts.

That's not how it works. Religion/church/etc. is supposed to be an extension of your family and community. If you weren't born into a particular church, but you 'convert' as an adult, that's already getting weird.

>B...but, I'm completely sincere in my conversion!

Not even possible, because (as noted above), religion is supposed to be embedded more deeply into your ancestry/race/etc. You can't just pick-and-choose 'your' religion any more than you can choose your race. Doing so reduces religion to a kind of consumer identity, which is not supposed to be the point.

>B...but, in the past, people converted! That's how Christianity began!

Entire communities or even entire kingdoms converted en masse. They were not deracinated 'individuals' picking 'religion' from a menu of options. That's a critical difference.

Whether converts are 'sincere' or not, I just don't trust them. I prefer secularism It should be obvious that the 'anyone can convert to our group' attitude of modern churches has also de-racialized them, which is not good for white interests.

A lot of people seem to get mad at these facts, but feelings don't fact about your cares or whatever.

>>514912626 (OP)

Are you a Christian?

>>514913019
I was born into a specific Christian church which was dominant in the small town where I grew up, and would 'identify' with that above any other religion. However, I don't believe in the literal truth of a lot of Christian theology. Over time, I adopted more of a post-Platonist/post-Gnostic attitude toward metaphysics.

Structures such as the church indicate/reflect aspects of truth, but are ultimately social constructs, and a lot of their orthodoxy is entirely mundane and developed in the context of social control rather than anything metaphysical.

>>514913308

John 14:6 NLT — Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."

You must be Born Again to be saved. I'm not seeing it in the fruit I can see here.

>>514913560
Evangelicism is fairly obviously a transparent Jewish ploy to control the goyim. Sorry to break this news to you, but, there it is. Any sort of 'Zionist' Christianity is entirely a political project and has very little to do with metaphysics at all.

>>514913560
>Protestant black and white sola scriptura stuff

No thank you. The Protestant worldview and soul are indistinguishable from that of the evil jew. They’re also big fans of forced genital mutilation.

>>514912626 (OP)
you sound pretty stupid. it's apparent that you hold many unfounded assumptions about the nature of religion.

>>514912626 (OP)
Peter Thiel requires it now if you want his money.

>>514913668
The Protestant types will side with Moshe Shekelstein every day of the week over a Catholic. They’ll say weird stuff about how Jews are more Christian than Catholics. It’s truthfully goyim Zionism wrapped in a Christian flavor.
It’s pretty telling those guys consider Martin Luther’s ideas to be great and revolutionary, but they completely disregard everything he had to say about jews. It’s almost as if jews leveraged the real need for reform in the medieval church to merely D&C Christians and create zionist stooges.

>>514912626 (OP)
I was born Catholic, spent most of my life as a gaytheist, and become Christian again, but not Catholic. I don't belong to any church. I keep the Sabbath by spending time with my family on Sundays.

>>514913668

Your spiritual attitude isn't that much different from the Pharisees and Saducees of Jesus' day and the Rabbinical institution today. You are dependent on dead traditions conceived by worldly doctrines, claiming to be Christian-like, but you are not Born Again. I'm not here to change your mind. I am here to warn lurkers to be weary of wolves in sheep's clothing. Lurkers, if you are seeking Jesus and His Holy Spirit, to be Born Again is to trust in the blood of Jesus' sacrificial offering on the Cross for the forgiveness of your sins. It's that simple, but for the proud, it is immensely difficult. Read and study the Gospel (I recommend starting with the Gospel of John), and the rest of the New Testament. Then read/study the Old Testament so you can see how all of this has pointed to Jesus for thousands of years and warned us of what is coming (soon, I might add, if you can discern the signs).

Go fuck off and die you child raping kike

>>514912626 (OP)
This smirking Jew pretends to be a Christian

>>514917010
This smirking Jew also pretends to be a Christian

>>514917086
This smirking Jew also pretended to be Christian

>>514917129
This smirking Jew pretends to be Christian.

>>514917211
This smirking Jew pretends to be Christian

>>514912626 (OP)
>If you weren't born into a particular church, but you 'convert' as an adult, that's already getting weird.
That's what I've been saying. If you weren't born into it you're not a real Christian.
Fuck these 30 year olds with blown out anus and dopamine receptors ready to "find Christ and settle down".
God does not want your damaged goods.
Hurry up and burn!

>>514917401
This smirking Jew pretends to be Christian

>>514917478
No I am real Christian

Go fuck yourself Pauline.
Queer

>>514917401
My family always told me to look out for "Born Again" Christians, as they tend to be mostly dope-addict and alcoholic fuckups looking to replace their unhealthy addictions with religion.

>>514912626 (OP)
Burgers don't have a connection to their ancestral land, neither do they have a connection to Jerusalem or whatever Semitic crap they believe in.

>>514917600
this or roasties that hit the wall

>>514912626 (OP)
>If you weren't born into a particular church, but you 'convert' as an adult, that's already getting weird.
No it isn't. Christianity, Islam and Buddhism are based on seeking converts as part of their religious beliefs. Religion is something people figure out themselves.

>>514914054
if you can give a source for this claim i will never watch another christian right wing influencer

>>514917401

First of all, refer to Galatians 5. Here, I posted it in the picrel for >>514914439 so you can refer to it.

>If you weren't born into it you're not a real Christian.

Are you able to back this up at all with the Word of God?

>>514917600

John 3:3 NLT — Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

Tell your family to study the Word of God to show themselves approved.

You're going to have to take this up with Jesus someday.

>>514912626 (OP)
>They were not deracinated 'individuals' picking 'religion' from a menu of options
But that's exactly what happened in Roman Empire, dumbass.
>>514914439
>Your spiritual attitude isn't that much different from the Pharisees and Saducees of Jesus' day and the Rabbinical institution today. You are dependent on dead traditions conceived by worldly doctrines
Pharisees were modern Jewish radicals, WTF are you talking about?

>>514918888

You wouldn't know. I'm not even talking to you.

>>514917600
>>514918681

Also.

>>514912626 (OP)
Every single white person has an ancestral connection to Catholicism and so does everyone in Mexico and South America. Also Ethiopia.

>>514914054
what a piss poor editing job

>>514919068

I meant to post this in the NLT to make it easier to understand, but for the lurkers, this is a good opportunity to advise you to check out different translations as you study and discern the differences between them you get to know the Lord.

>>514919091
I don't.

>>514912626 (OP)
>family connection
Ah so youre a tradition cuck I see. Enjoy hell

>>514912626 (OP)
Conversion is the only true Christians you will get.
People raised in the Church just "believe" because they were raised that way, they often time are what you would call "cultural Christians" and tend to go apostate when they get into college. A lot of Catholics are this way, "cultural Christians" but don't actually hold to the beliefs, it's just something they were brought up into.

Conversion however is radical change.

>>514913308
you are exactly what i refer to as a "cultural Christian", you don't truly believe, you see the faith as some cultural aspect, not the literal truth of Christ dying for your sins.
as a result you are lost and will die in your sins and go to hell.

Friend, you need to repent, and convert.
Funny you post about converts but you literally need to convert.

>>514919313
>Enjoy hell

You're going to follow after him with that disposition if you don't get to know the Lord and His love of mercy and grace.

>>514912626 (OP)
they can easily produce a letter from the diocese that they have completed catechism of whichever church they claim to belong to.
I wanted a catholic wedding but my wife was never confirmed, and she was from a european country. the church had all of her records and wouldn't marry us unless she studied the catechism, passed the test and had her confirmation certificate. she spent a year studying and had her confirmation with a group of 12 year old kids and we were able to get married.
the church is like the irs, they keep records for every catholic in the world. same applies to eastern orthodox churches. you have to have certain sacraments, which are certified and recorded by the church.

>>514913308
You are 16 years old.

>>514919761

Are you a Christian?

>>514919840
Yes.

>>514912626 (OP)
>I don't think conversion is even possible. >Especially to sects to which you have no natural ethnic or family connection
>Religion/church/etc. is supposed to be an extension of your family and community
so the gardener is incapable of grafting?
Tell me you are not a Christian without telling me you aren't a Christian

>I prefer secularism
You will have your god and all the riches it affords

>>514920471

>one who understands

Here you go, brother.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=zDM2q9zeRIY&si=959IvsT9p7XTWTDl

>>514919441

You also understand.

Please take this gift.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6wv54dHcI&si=o3RQJC0tHe7u4QSx

>>514912626 (OP)
A lot of early converts converted first and then prayed for years for God to help them convert their families. E.g. Saint Monica and her son, Saint Augustine.

>>514913308
So you're not a Christian. Got it. May you burn in hell with the rest of the lying heretics.

>>514919315

Honest question: how do we know Christianity is true vs. say, Buddhism?

The Bible says God created the world, then Adam sinned, now we gotta believe in Jesus exactly as he was described in the Bible, get dunked in water and have wine and crackers on Sunday otherwise we'll be tortured for eternity after we die.
Pretty crazy when you think about it. Giving us only ~80 years to figure it out then we get tortured for eternity if we get it wrong seems like a dick move to me.
In my opinion a merciful God would give us a few more chances to make mistakes and figure it out like with reincarnation or something.
Buddhism makes more sense to me - we keep coming back again and again until we figure it out. If you live a particularly evil life they have some version of hell but even that doesn't last forever - you get out eventually and have another chance.
Eternal punishment for actions (or lack of believing the correct dogma) during this brief, flash in the pan of a life we have seems wildly disproportionate to me.

>>514912626 (OP)
The entire point of the bible is conversion. The problem here is you have no idea what your own religion states.

>>514922812

I might wonder if you are a Christian myself the way you are going about this. Nonetheless, I give you the scripture in picrel to consider. Telling someone they are going to burn in hell without putting considerable thought into explaining why isn't doing much to try and help them to see and hopefully help pull them out of the flames. Do you see what I mean?

Yes, help even those who believe they follow the Way, but don't.

>>514912626 (OP)
You gotta be born again so you don't parrot other penis' memes and roasts, anon.

>. Especially to sects to which you have no natural ethnic or family connection, like many 'orthodox' converts.
So it would be impossible for the first Greek or Russian to convert then.
Fucking monkey retard

>>514924084

You too.

>>514924173

Are you converted?

>be me
>make the same creative decisions over and over again without really realizing it
>now I have an "art style" and they put me in some art books
>lib tard professors write papers about my artistic style
>say it explores queer metaphysics
>should I blow up my career and make nigger art or should I ignore it and become powerful

>>514924173
We're in a completely different social and cultural context. Eastern orthodoxy is an interesting case, since it even developed its own liturgical languages like Old Church Slavonic. it actually became more parochial and less ecumenical over time, as it broke with Rome and became more associated with specific linguistic and ethnic groups.

Some 20-something guy in the US suddenly declaring "Hey bros, I'm Greek Orthodox now! just reeks of fraud, even if unintended. That's not how it does or should work.

>>514912626 (OP)
>That's not how it works. Religion/church/etc. is supposed to be an extension of your family and community. If you weren't born into a particular church, but you 'convert' as an adult, that's already getting weird
Who the fuck said you get to make the rules?

>>514913019
The answer to your question is, "NO."
>>514913308
>I don't believe in the literal truth of a lot of Christian theology.

>>514925458
I'm influenced by aspects of Christianity, and it's dishonest for me to claim otherwise. I see Christian doctrine as a kind of specific 'enframing' for a larger set of general ideas. Christ as a salvific figure whose 'acceptance' is required to avoid damnation might well point toward higher realities beyond the observable realm, but I don't see Christine doctrine as being a full summary of those realities.

A big general problem with Christianity is that it links the metaphysical fate of white men to the doctrines and actions of ancient Hebrews, which is something I just don't accept to be true.

>>514925150

Personally, I think a claimants to Christianity are stuck in worldly cultures and mannerisms. I am not so quick to assert that some 20-something guy in the US declaring "Hey bros, I'm Greek Orthodox now!" is necessarily a fraud, but what I would like to ask them first and foremost is if they understand Jesus. Some might use worldly labels and traditions to impose an image that they actually aren't, but there are also sincere seekers who might not be as mature in the faith who simply need some proper discipling. A lot of people are realizing that Jesus is the Way, but lot of them aren't finding their way into churches that are teaching the true doctrine of Jesus Christ, and falling into the trap of human traditions. As much as I make sure to stand up for Jesus in the face of mockers and scoffers, I also intend to help disciple those who might not be as mature in the faith to hopefully understand what Christ-like love is. I also hope that if I don't understand what Christ-like love is, that someone more mature in the faith than I will lovingly guide me moreao in that direction.

>>514913019

I wasn't asking you, first of all; but also, what are you, then?

>>514924762
No, just pointing out how retarded this reasoning is.
>>514925150
No relevance to the central criticism at all
>Bro it FEELS like this and SEEMS like this
Lmfao, you a woman?

>>514925708
A lot of claimants*

>>514925787

Picrel in >>514914439 is for you, then. My question to you is if you're just here to satisfy your pride and be right, or lovingly guide others to Jesus. I am just trying to understand your motivation.

>>514925787
I'm saying that the conditions at the genesis of Christianity were so different from today's conditions that direct comparisons are kind of pointless.

>>514925900
Nigger chill on this shit, not everyone needs to be some verified good guy on a 4chan thread. If you want to see me as some villain then do so, okay? I really don't care. I'm just here to call a retard a retard and move on. You do your thing too I guess.

>>514925900
>>514925787

Disregard. I misread. Now, all I'm saying is that it might be best for you to stay out of matters you don't fully understand yet. I invite you to understand them by getting to know Jesus.

>>514926022
Has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a conversion is legitimate or not, just a retarded red herring / faggot "argument". Muh conditions

>>514926056
Love the condescension but I'll take my chances bud, think I'm okay posting on some random thread on the asshole of the internet. Why don't you bop off to a real church or something, I'm sure you'll make bishop and change the world.

>>514926053

This >>514926056 is for you. I'm not a verified "good guy." I'm not good of my own merit, but the righteousness accounted to me for my faith in Jesus' atoning sacrifice for my sins. That's it. Doesn't mean I don't sin. Until I receive my spiritual body at the Resurrection/Rapture, I have to deal with this fleshly and natural body. I'm still doing my best to overcome.

>>514926172

Here.

>>514926196

I'll let Jesus be the Judge between us both from now on.

>>514926121
It has a direct bearing on that question. The context in which people converted was part of how their religion ended up interacting with their communities as a whole.

This is also why people larping today as 'pagans' seem so fake. Because genuine conversion to old paganism is no longer possible, because the entire social context was lost.

Doctrinal Christianity held on a lot longer, but the trends are the same.

>>514926196
Thanks for sharing.
>I'll let Jesus be the Judge between us both from now on.
As he always was. No need for you to "let" anything be anything.
Sorry, I'm not really in the mood to stroke your dick. I'm sure someone else will bow down to your massive ego lol

>>514926289
>It has a direct bearing on that question.
Oh, I guess now that you asserted that its true! Lmfao

>>514926343

>Sorry, I'm not really in the mood to stroke your dick. I'm sure someone else will bow down to your massive ego lol

Like I said, I will leave it for Jesus to decide between us both.

>>514922988
for me, there's a few things in the bible that would be impossible for an ancient man to know yet somehow the bible describes.
Look at Eve's creation for example.
the bible describes surgical anesthesia, opening up the body, extracting a body part, then closing it back up, and then making Eve from that rib.

Now this didn't make entire sense to me until I learned more biology. In an adult body, the main place where you can find stem cells is in the marrow of flat bones. the collar bone, skull, sternum, hips, and ribs. So a rib was taken because it's a source of stem cells for hematopoeisis of the adult Adam, and he has ribs to spare. So God didn't just speak Eve into existence, or make an inanimate figure and breathe life into it, that can be brushed away as "magic" and just superstition of an ancient religious book.
Nono. even though God did "magic" some other things.. for Eve, he specifically CLONED her from Adam. Moses or any other ancient person would have no idea about these concepts of harvesting stem cells from bone marrow, and why a rib would be an ideal choice for it, or surgical anesthesia.
Yet the bible describes surgical anesthesia and a surgical operation in order to create the "bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh"

There is also a part of proverbs... where before microscopes were invented to show that hymenopteran workers were female, it says "look at the ant and consider HER ways". How would an ancient uneducated person know that the ants they see foraging are female.

On top of that.. is bible prophecy, and the entire world turning against Israel... as the bible says it would. Decades ago I'd have to take that on faith. Now? I can see it, I would have to take the US turning against Israel on faith even 5 years ago, now? 1 more election cycle, and we'll probably turn against Israel.
and well, you may think it's a good thing as a non Christian, but as a Christian, I know it's going to be a bad thing for us. We'll be judged.

>>514926289
what is the name of this day of the week?

>>514926550
Well now that you've made that decision I'm sure he'll respect it. After all, you're the boss.

>>514926707

He will. Anyway, I'm going to move along now. I invite anyone to reference my earlier posts to understand where I am coming from.

>>514926859
Nobody is reading your self-indulgent shit dude

>>514926859

Also, I am UofvHqn7. My IP has changed, but it's still me.

>>514926561
well how did he speak Adam into existence?

>>514929166
He didn't, so.. in Genesis 1 and 2 God shows 3 means of creation: Ex Nihilo, that is speaking things into existence (namely light), Making inanimate things alive (like the creation of Adam, He formed Adam's body out of inanimate Earth (Adam's name means "from Earth") and breathed life into it, and then a scientific means of creating Eve from Adam's stem cells.

Jesus on Earth also didn't always do miracles the same way each time. Some people were healed by him just touching them, some healed by them touching him (a woman who had some sort of hemophilia that caused her to bleed profusely when she had periods, she believed that if she could just touch His clothes she'd be made whole, and she got healed just from that), another time a Roman Centurion said a Jewish servant of his was sick, and asked Jesus to heal him, Jesus said he'd come right over, but the Centurion said He didn't need to actually visit the house, but just speak the command and the illness would be gone, reasoning that he as a Centurion orders people under his authority, and the Centurion recognized that Jesus was not just a miracle worker but had *authority* over things like illnesses, so He just had to command it gone, and it'd be gone, and another time He spit on the ground, made mud from the dirt, rubbed it on a blind man's eyes and it healed his blindness.

So just various ways rather than always doing the same thing.

>>514912626 (OP)
You just don't get it, you think that everything must be done because of some utility or happenstance, like some ancestral connection.

No, some people are actual after the Truth and consider finding out about it and following it the most important thing in the world, even if doing so will cause you to be viewed as weird, persecuted, etc.

I believe that Christ was the real Son of God, God incarnate. The Shroud of Turin in particular among all of the other documentation about the religion in its early days actually gives me a reasonable belief that he came, died, and resurrected as the Gospels stated, and he fulfilled numerous messianic prophecies, especially those in Isaiah.

If I were to deny that in favor of something else like LARPing paganism just because my ancestors were pagans, even further back in time then when they were Catholics/Christians, then I would be denying the Truth which would seem stupid and antithetical to our ability to seek the Truth out in the first place.

>>514912626 (OP)
thats true of judaism not christianity which does allow for converts

>>514912626 (OP)
>Godfather -> Son -> holy ghost

>>514914076
Nah I would give you a helicopter ride though for trying to stir the pot with d&c posts like this.
You can burn with your punk boy varg

>>514912626 (OP)
its fake bs. anyone who claims to be a christcuck on this unholy piece of shit website is a fake fuckhead who puts on christianity as a virtuesignalling jacket. the fedora meme got to atheists so they changed teams to niggerfeet washing christcuckolds.

>>514931307
Your truth was given to you by jews

>>514912626 (OP)

Satanic Masons have no qualms pretending to be followers of Christ. Tread carefully.

>>514925150
The Orthodox Church is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
Liturgy is held in ancient Greek because the Gospel is written in ancient Greek