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Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514913353 >>514913643 >>514913727 >>514914234 >>514914606 >>514915021 >>514916761 >>514918134 >>514918516 >>514921037 >>514922457 >>514924265 >>514924813 >>514927283
Let's steelman the argument *for* glowniggers as necessary political agents.

I know many of you fail the breakfast and apple tests, but how about we switch gears and think about why we might need spymasters to do all the twisted shit they do like coerce, surveil, assassinate, and make Faustian pacts, among other things. We can all agree that world governments are run by the biggest self-serving psychopaths in our animal kingdom, so why wouldn't we want these agents of control comingled with this lot to stabilize the system? Shouldn't we be relieved that someone is working to move the stupid masses in necessary directions via propaganda? Wouldn't there be complete and utter chaos without these creatures hiding in the shadows and doing their thing?
Anonymous (ID: buEuhTGM) No.514913490 >>514913643 >>514913781
we at 4chan think glowniggers are based and redpilled and if you disagree you're a brown libtard
Anonymous (ID: Ow6n74n7) United States No.514913643 >>514913781
>>514913353 (OP)
>>514913490
Total Glowie Death, slaughter til the last agent.
Anonymous (ID: zOf0npwd) United States No.514913727
>>514913353 (OP)
I will eat glownigger flesh after the mass vax die off.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514913781 >>514914114
>>514913490
Thank you for your cervix.
>>514913643
What's your alternative to glowniggers (we don't say "glowie" here, PFC Jiminez)? How would our society run without the sheepdogs patrolling the fenceline? Are you a sincere anarchist?
Anonymous (ID: Ow6n74n7) United States No.514914114 >>514914325
>>514913781
>sheepdogs patrolling the fenceline

You're house niggers committing acts of evil for pensions and early retirement. Communities will police themselves without having to count on you mercenary faggots. If the problem is world governments being run by the biggest self-serving psychopaths in our animal kingdom, the solution is simple. It doesn't involve middlemen agents of control either. Decent people murder those self-serving psychopaths in the street like the parasites they are.
Anonymous (ID: cxwg+5rh) United States No.514914234
>>514913353 (OP)
In the context of the US? Because they allowed pic related. All of the strings they pull 'behind the scenes' were obviously being pulled against white people above all:
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514914325 >>514914585 >>514915021
>>514914114
Good points, but as we've seen, these so called decent people aren't doing any of that - the crux of the "you won't do shit" meme - so what then? During periods of stability, the masses aren't moved in this way, and so the opportunities for psychopaths to run rampant are numerous, thus don't we need glowniggers to step in and regulate in the ways they do?
Anonymous (ID: Ow6n74n7) United States No.514914585 >>514914717
>>514914325
>step in and regulate in the ways they do

The glowniggers are the same as the self-serving psychopaths. All of them deserve to die. All federal agencies are evil and all employees in them are agents of evil. I'd rather have genuine anarchy than have some retards that think they know better pulling strings behind the scene.
Anonymous (ID: DPHQS0lG) Norway No.514914606 >>514914717
>>514913353 (OP)
some are probably based while others are just drones for epstein tier people.
just like any profession, innit now
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514914717 >>514914873
>>514914606
I assume this to be the case too.
>>514914585
You're saying you can't think of one pro for having these control agents operating behind the scenes?
Anonymous (ID: Ow6n74n7) United States No.514914873 >>514915070
>>514914717
No, the control agents are scum that deserve long and painful deaths. You might think they're cool but they're really a bunch of nerd faggots.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514915021 >>514915404 >>514916089 >>514924878
>>514913353 (OP)
>>514914325
The glowniggers are equally projecting force outward and inward. The people they "serve" are a legal justification for them to operate on their own autonomy "for the greater good" with conveniently no mission goals with achievable endpoints. The people can function with well armed and trained militias for local issues and a centralized military for international threats.
Bonus round: Military and/or police service should be mandatory for every young adult to ensure the vast majority of "enforcers" in a society have the same vested interest in its future as it's inextricably tied to theirs. The moment cliques begin to form in career politicians or upper brass where they see themselves as 'above civilians', they can be killed and replaced easily.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514915070 >>514915339 >>514916089
>>514914873
I never said the word "cool". Read the OP again. We're steelmanning the need for glowniggers to operate in the clandestine amoral ways in which they infamously do. As a voice on the other end of that spectrum, what's your alternative? How do you structure society to manage the psychopath leadership problem?
Anonymous (ID: Ow6n74n7) United States No.514915339 >>514915783
>>514915070
>How do you structure society to manage the psychopath leadership problem?

Form angry mobs to torture murder the psychopathic leaders for being amoral psychopaths. Someone gets caught starting a war we needn't be involved then you kick them and their entire family into the streets and condemn them. A politician commits insider trading? Pour molten gold down their throat in front of a crowd at the respective government building they typically serve in.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514915404 >>514915638 >>514916089
>>514915021
Now this is the type of solutions-oriented effort post I was fishing for from the other anon. Do you think this community-accountability-focused form of force/control would scale up to a national level, or can you see where it might fall apart given a large enough system (e.g., the sense of community being dwarfed by the temptation to serve only yourself in a complex enough system where oversight is limited)?
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514915638 >>514916229
>>514915404
>community-accountability-focused
Very easy to do, and it could be gamified for all citizens, encouraging civic participation for merit badges.

> where oversight is limited

24/7 surveillance on top brass, but it's taken as a badge of honor to be surveilled.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514915783 >>514916016
>>514915339
What's to keep the angry mob mentality from permeating the culture and creating more psychopathy among the population? Don't you think that society would eventually regress back to the compartmentalization of this function to a small group that operates in the shadows? The people don't have the stomach for this kind of thing, not anymore, and so they would appoint groups to carry out mob justice in such a way, and we'd eventually be back to square one.
Anonymous (ID: Ow6n74n7) United States No.514916016 >>514916229
>>514915783
So are you for or against morality? You seem to be for it since you want a bunch of retards doing amoral things to "pull the strings of society". Kill yourself house nigger.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514916089 >>514916479 >>514916693 >>514917219 >>514917559
>>514915070
The single conceivable benefit that isn't better achieved with restructuring society to empower citizens to serve their domestic "role" as outlined here >>514915021 is that they offer plausible deniability for international operations. To that, I'd argue that plausible deniability implies inherent wrongdoing or subterfuge in a way that doesn't match the values of the people of the nation as it inherently is trying to duck the consequences of being affiliated with said actions. Such things are useful to jewish-aligned nations and their puppets but serve the White man very little.
>>514915404
You will realistically have extremely powerful localized city-states, less powerful counties, less powerful states, and a federal government that largely exists to handle international policy where all disputes can be handled by militia groups with concentric circles of influence. The federal government will be "strong" on paper, but in practice this muscle will never need to be exerted inward and only serve to insulate against external subversive agents that are trying to pit individual 'rings' of influence against each other such nationalizing utilities, commerce, etc to prevent international banks from hijacking the nation's 'lifeblood'. This model will inherently work at any scale as long as the following criteria are met:

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Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514916229
>>514915638
>gamified for all citizens
That's an interesting point. Wouldn't it be easier to apply this same gamification to the existing group of glowniggers since it is a smaller population size to address?

>>514916016
I'm just asking questions, anon. And making reasoned arguments in real time based on the existing paradigm and all its associated justifications.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514916479 >>514916693 >>514917219 >>514917559
>>514916089

- The values of the citizen are aligned with their folk and countryman over any sort of symbol or abstract definition that can be rewritten. This fundamentally requires a level of racial cohesion since culture can be both attacked/manipulated and changed by external actors as well as the fact that genetics fundamentally determine how we process and perceive all the external stimuli that get abstracted as 'culture.
- The people inherently hold the majority of the capacity for violence within the nation. Conflicts between rings would be resolved diplomatically as both each party would be well armed but the values of the nation would be aligned in a way that they don't treat the situation inherently as zero-sum.
- Cliques forming at the city-state level would inherently be limited in reach unless they managed to band together over some shared property that's more divisive than their shared loved for their nation and folk which would be an incredibly contrived circumstance. For instance, no matter how violent central america gets, it's a pretty ingrained value that family comes first. All you have to do is calibrate that value to include your whole racial group as extended family and infighting will drop to minimal levels as long as the federal government does its job and keeps external agitators at bay.
- Immigration is ethnically selective. We'll gladly take white french, aussies etc as they have perfect potential to integrate, but we will be extremely selective to the point of exclusionary towards different ethnic groups since, as history has shown, once they coalesce a large enough group, they form an adversarial influence cluster within society. Benignly "chinatowns" or "asian markets", but more seriously you'll see things like the ADL pop up if a foreign group's influence grows too large.

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Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514916693 >>514917219
>>514916089
>>514916479
tl;dr, you want to cultivate a high trust society that works with human nature and not against it to create mutually beneficial cooperative frameworks for its citizens while having a strong 'outer wall' to repel would-be threats and subversive agents. The outer wall needs to have its spears pointed strictly outward so that if pieces of it become compromised, they can easily be replaced from within.
Anonymous (ID: NuW3mQ4i) No.514916761
>>514913353 (OP)
mm wall of text what happens is that you'll have some bitch like the witch Keira Knightley plays in Black Doves running around with guns doing drugs with faggots and killing people at random because you are gay
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514917219 >>514917636
>>514916089
>>514916479
>>514916693
To answer your initial question OP, there's nothing a glownigger operation can offer such a society that its own military or internal systems of checks and balances cannot already provide or flex to provide as necessity dictates. The problem of course is that achieving such a thing from the current state the US is in is not feasible without a lot of violence, executions of subversive elements, followed by mass deportations of frictional foreign nations.

Take that back to your think tank. I did all your homework for you free of charge.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514917559 >>514918083 >>514918302 >>514918460
>>514916089
To your first point, assuming a nation manages itself in such a way to eradicate subterfuge and better align with its goal of openness and fairness, do you see that society having a severe disadvantage when butting heads with foreign enemies (competitors) who allow themselves to operate amorally with regard to international operations?

>>514916479
Even if we're assuming a society that handles international operations in the open rather than surrpetitiously, sticking to a moral compass that demonizes such behavior, the racial/ethnic purity angle seems to present another competitive disadvantage where the society would be unable to gather the intelligence needed to make better defensive decisions. I'm not even talking about infiltrating and blending in to gather intel, but just at the surface level of gaining trust in those who look different, not to mention a lack of access to internal racial and ethnic diversity which limits insight into their ways of things, strategies, capabilities, and so on.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514917636 >>514918460
>>514917219
Anon I'm just a humble retard like the other actual-anons on this board. But I can't speak for the lurkers who will no doubt mine this discourse for gems.
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514918083 >>514918262 >>514919178
>>514917559
>the racial/ethnic purity angle seems to present another competitive disadvantage where the society would be unable to gather the intelligence needed to make better defensive decisions.

Wow. That is totally bullshit. You don't need to have a multi-cultural society to have a fucking spy.
Anonymous (ID: hwXdvYKT) United States No.514918134
>>514913353 (OP)
>no u need to respect the govt stooges
Fuck them and fuck you too, leftist shitskin
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514918262 >>514919178
>>514918083
Let me also add that your conception is a 2-way street. To let foreigners in, exposes you to the same shit that you claim to be concerned about.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514918302 >>514919178
>>514917559
>To your first point, assuming a nation manages itself in such a way to eradicate subterfuge and better align with its goal of openness and fairness, do you see that society having a severe disadvantage when butting heads with foreign enemies (competitors) who allow themselves to operate amorally with regard to international operations?
No. Germany adopted a very similar model to what I proposed after the Great Depression and being sanctioned into low orbit following WW1 and it still took the entire combined developed world to bring them down in WW2. Whatever you believe did or didn't happen within the silly camps (or if it was deserved for that matter), not a soul can deny that their means of coalescing a working nation from nearly nothing was effective. Assuming you're talking about the United States here, we'd be operating with far more defensible terrain in the event of open war than Germany and in the event of an economic cold war, external parties not united by ethnicity would inherently face more friction than those that are. We'd also have more resources to allocate outward in anticipation of attack should our inner societal framework be high peer trust and cooperation-oriented.
>Even if we're assuming a society that handles international operations in the open rather than surrpetitiously, sticking to a moral compass that demonizes such behavior, the racial/ethnic purity angle seems to present another competitive disadvantage where the society would be unable to gather the intelligence needed to make better defensive decisions.
The complete opposite; other groups are at a competitive disadvantage when dealing with us since they're galvanizing around a symbol (that can be attacked), or an abstract ethos that will shift in definition as cultures change and evolve with generations. You're looking at this the wrong way if you're only looking at this for the short-term.

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Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514918460 >>514919178
>>514917559
>not to mention a lack of access to internal racial and ethnic diversity which limits insight into their ways of things, strategies, capabilities, and so on.
I will charitably assume that we have actual value to gain here for the sake of argument. Anything we can learn from them can still be gained through observation or making international trades of strategic information on a per-case basis.

>>514917636
And I'm Chuck Schumer shitposting on 4chan, but it's ultimately not that important which agency you're with at the end of the day.

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Anonymous (ID: my2FwmQ4) New Zealand No.514918516
>>514913353 (OP)
Maybe, (((they))) should stop and see if all the bad shit around us stops too. Would that be too much to ask?
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514918938 >>514919189
To illustrate my point, the things that kill countries primarily are:

- Nations controlled or puppeted by banking cartels
- Subversives gaining control of the media (or period equivalent) to destroy social cohesion and trust
- False flag operations or artificially injected terrorist proxies
- The slow drift of values and priorities of the people from the original civic charter over generations
- The theocracy the civilization being founded around being upended

My proposed model solves 4 of the 5 issues and since it's not going to be a theocracy, the 5th isn't applicable. You're free to draw whatever conclusions you will about what ethnic group is often responsible for 3/5 of those causes.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514919178 >>514919687
>>514918083
>>514918262
I'm not arguing for globohomo multiculti Soros Open Society (tm), I'm simply asking how to fill the gap in intelligence collection that is served by glowniggers, given all the hoops they jump through to collect it and how important, purportedly, that intelligence is for a coherent national defensive strategy.

>>514918302
>>514918460
Kek I'm just a bored guy on 4chan on a Friday night, but whatever you think, I'm just happy to engage with a bit of effortposting in what is otherwise a botted hellscape bereft of critical thought.

I don't want to throw out the "but Germany lost WW2" gotcha, and I can handwave it away for now since I'm not entirely sure how Nazi glowniggers dropped the ball as a result of their model that you're using as a loose comparison, but I still see an unresolved problem with the intelligence gathering aspect, but maybe more importantly the advantage of empathy or even just blending in with the enemy. Many anons here will react, kneejerkedly, that this is classic Jewishness and should be swiftly demonized, but there is still an inherent utility to it, and this gap would seemingly go unfilled in an ethnically homogenous society. Israel can get away with ethnic homogeneity because they have many "diverse" allies who can execute these infiltration campaigns for them. Something about a racially pure society without access to these tools strikes me as being too reliant on brute force methods.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514919189 >>514919687
>>514918938
War is expensive and favors the defender nearly every time. Taking ground isn't enough; you have to hold it if you're after material which is a logistical drain. Such a proposed nation doesn't need to be strong enough to fight the world's strongest coalition at once; it only needs to be strong enough to stop any other nation from having anything to gain from attacking it irrationally, which is a comparatively low bar to achieve. It's already structured in a way that's inherently resistant to more subversive doctrines of warfare. Furthermore, foreign espionage agents would struggle to mask within the culture since maintaining their cover would inherently involve engaging in lots of high trust cooperative activities to fit in and actual subversive changes would be far harder to justify to the populace in realtime without outing yourself as a traitor.
This type of society kills Mossad's entire doctrine dead; their operatives would stand out like a sore thumb.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514919687 >>514920040
>>514919178
>I don't want to throw out the "but Germany lost WW2" gotcha
It took every developed country in the world at the time fighting them all at once to finally put them down. It's hardly a gotcha; there's quite literally not a single civilization in recorded history that has put up such a strong fight against those odds relative to technological advancement of the parties involved.
>but I still see an unresolved problem with the intelligence gathering aspect, but maybe more importantly the advantage of empathy or even just blending in with the enemy
This inherently takes an unnecessarily initial adversarial approach to foreign nations. As illustrated here >>514919189 needless war largely isn't in anyone's best interest if it's not being instigated by banking cartels playing both sides.
>Something about a racially pure society without access to these tools strikes me as being too reliant on brute force methods.
Brute force in terms of interacting with external threats, absolutely. You're missing the point though; an ethnostate inherently removes many vectors of would-be counterplay from competing hostile states and heavily bottlenecks their means of engagement this hypothetical nation into its 'home turf': direct confrontation. Your nation doesn't need to aggress to "win", it needs to outlast nations with lesser doctrines longterm. The dynamic of war fundamentally favoring the defender coupled with defanging a lot of the indirect doctrines of war on a civilizational level makes such a society a hard nut to crack while it just quietly and steadily builds resources, prosperity, and infrastructure for itself with its motivated and mutually supporting citizenry.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514919989 >>514920484
To reiterate, you "win" by making a country that's as resistant to conventional attack as possible with a citizenry that's both resistant to indirect warfare, featuring high degrees of mutual care and quality of life, with a federalized economy that focuses solely on its own people's prosperity and let the rest of the world's inferior nation modeling cause them to erode themselves in pointless wars.

When they go to invade something because they need more silicon/whatever resource, it won't be (you) because you're a social, military, and political fortress. They will pick an easier target if they're acting purely out of self-interest.
If they're a puppet state by a banker cartel, they will struggle to manipulate international politics to justify siccing several proxies on a non-aggressing opponent at once, especially since the individual proxies only stand to lose from it.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514920040 >>514920205 >>514920521
>>514919687
So just to summarize, you're saying the inherent need for glowniggerdry evaporates when it's not instigating foreign strife to serve the banking cartels? As in, they are both the solution to, and cause of, many national defense risks, and so dissolving them will in itself prevent many of the problems we see today, and in the absence of that function, it's better to hunker down, patrol the parapets, and focus on insulating internal interest groups from the psychopathic enemies within the gates? So TL;DR: we don't need them because they cause more trouble than they're worth anyway.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514920205 >>514920239 >>514920643
>>514920040
Basically. Your countrymen are your best friend in both managing local affairs and generating economic boom in such a society and glowniggers introduce very objective (irreplicable) value relative to the giant operational security risks they introduce on a conceptual level.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514920239 >>514920643
>>514920205
*introduce very little objective (irreplicable) value
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514920484 >>514920714
>>514919989
>If they're a puppet state by a banker cartel, they will struggle to manipulate international politics to justify siccing several proxies on a non-aggressing opponent at once, especially since the individual proxies only stand to lose from it.

Hey-YO!

I bet that's why glowniggers have decided they are done with proxies all of the sudden.
Anonymous (ID: 3uX4+KG7) United States No.514920521 >>514921401
>>514920040
>lets steelman the argument for glowanons as necessary political agents.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514920643 >>514920714 >>514920902 >>514921081
>>514920205
>>514920239
Fair points. Not to go outside the scope of this too far, but since I mentioned it in the OP, what about the function of propagandizing the public to sway them in one direction or the other? Glowniggers' participation in this domain is hardly exclusive, but they do serve a large role in shaping hearts and minds, or at minimum coordinating the various entitites that handle implementation. Our media is overrun with their agents and assets. In the absence of this group, how would that be managed in a society you describe?
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514920714 >>514921401
>>514920643
Bonus Round 2 Eglin Nigger Boogaloo:
The moment your 'state secrets' involve running psy-ops or "perception adjustments" or whatever gay shit they call what they do to their own countrymen, the country has crossed the event horizon; the values of the people ordering such operations fundamentally do not align with their constituents and they become the subversive threat their branch of operations was ostensibly created to combat. It's like drinking poison to treat a minor bacterial infection you're not even sure you have instead of letting your healthy immune system deal with it.

>>514920484
Anon gets a reading comprehension gold star.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514920902 >>514921401
>>514920643
>Our media is overrun with their agents and assets. In the absence of this group, how would that be managed in a society you describe?
You just explained the problem and solution here. Get rid of foreign operatives in media. All of them. Every last yid in movies, music, or any other position of influence they have. Get rid of the foreign super-pacs and lawfirms operating within our borders. Destroy the concept of lawfare; such a mutually cooperative society has no need to use the legal system as either a bludgeon or a legislative shortcut to be gamed and exploited. Without the lifeblood of international banking cartels pumping (ill-gotten) goods from the nation into their veins, they will struggle to find replacements.
Anonymous (ID: uXvODRfI) United States No.514921037
>>514913353 (OP)
>glowniggers as necessary political agents.
only as a counter to subversion, to cancel out, never to influence their own. once they pick a side they've crossed the line and should exit stage.

there is no reason other then to cancel out foreign state influence
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514921081 >>514921474 >>514921658
>>514920643
>but they do serve a large role in shaping hearts and minds, or at minimum coordinating the various entitites that handle implementation.
I want to touch on this bit in particular because you're still approaching this thought experiment with a top-down perspective. This is a losing strategy. You need a bottom-up one where the citizens, via mandatory military, police, or civic service, shape policy to reflect the values of the people within the higher institutions, not the other way around. Anything less than that introduces generational divides and social fracture points every 30-40 or so years.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514921401 >>514921882 >>514922527
>>514920521
You don't want to take jobs away from good hard-working Americans, do you, anon?

>>514920714
>>514920902
You make valid points, and it would be interesting to hear what a transition might look like from the state of modern America to the America you're proposing, but in the interest of maintaining impartiality, within the scope of this thought experiment, the only question I have is were there any societies in history that you can confidently point to that didn't psyop their own citizens? I would argue that for as long as there has been religion there has been a swaying of public consensus in one direction or the other. I'm not casting judgment on the morality or efficacy of it, just pointing out that "perception adjustments" or whatever glowniggers term them these days have been part and parcel of every society in recorded history. Ignoring the morality and efficacy aspects of a religion-focused propaganda campaign, or any other for that matter, I could say that priests and similar community leaders were the glowniggers of their time.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514921474
To preempt the obvious counter-argument for this post >>514921081, ensuring that the next generation is ready to lead and shape their (and the nation's) future also incentivizes the current generation to pour large amounts of resources into both education and community-building programs. Scouts programs, sports programs, tabletop games programs etc as extracurricular activities should be normalized for building cohesion in youth. In terms of education, the current generation has a very high vested interest in ensuring both quality education for the people that will eventually replace them, but also cultivating goodwill through good opportunities, working conditions, and quality of life to avoid pissing off the people that will be determining their retirement policies and care eventually. It's a system where it's in everyone's best interest to place nice across generations and create the best environment for each other.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514921658 >>514921686 >>514921882 >>514921897
>>514921081
So based on our most recent posts, and taking into account that the central question is "do we need glowniggers" i.e. an inclusive group of trained individuals performing that laundry list of clandestine functions, it sounds like you're suggesting a consensus-making mechanism can, and should, emanate from the public itself, from the ground up, and any institution or group or what have you that fulfills the role of propaganda must be organic to that societal structure and above all, serve the society rather than, you know, the micromanaging control freaks of the banking cartels.
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514921686 >>514921882
>>514921658
*exclusive group
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514921882 >>514922711
>>514921401
>the only question I have is were there any societies in history that you can confidently point to that didn't psyop their own citizens?
Confidently? No. The Smithsonian has (intentionally) muddied the waters of historical records to asset much of anything confidently. I would say classical Greece is a safe-ish bet however where each man was strongly encouraged to be a philosopher as well as a warrior in addition to their normal profession.
To address the underlying meat of your point though, no civilization until Natsoc Germany fully grasped the entirety of the danger of a hostile subversive force operating within their borders and took appropriate enough steps to excise it. Unfortunately for them it was too late as the Rothschilds already had the entire world dancing to their tune following the Depression, so the outcome was (nearly) foregone.
This time is different; the whole world sees the jewish banking cartel for what it is and future generations will forever be wary of similar tactics given the state of the world right now.
>I could say that priests and similar community leaders were the glowniggers of their time.
You could extend that argument to any educator of the young or foolish or any Master of a trade; the difference is very clear when there's an organic feedback mechanism that encourages the teacher to do well by the student, who will in turn honor the teacher after the generation shift.
>>514921658
>>514921686
Correct.
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514921897 >>514922711
>>514921658
>emanate from the public itself, from the ground up,

Middle-out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkvcvef8voo
Anonymous (ID: 4yQHCAw6) United States No.514922457
>>514913353 (OP)
Yes, they are necessary.

For the inter-state competition it's important to have an intelligence agency to counter the other states intelligence agencies, otherwise it's gonna be non-stop psyops and false flags, state-sponsored terrorism and so on.

But it's best for the state's citizens if this thing is mainly focused towards external things and can't abuse its power to abuse the citizens.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514922527 >>514923321
>>514921401
>and it would be interesting to hear what a transition might look like from the state of modern America to the America you're proposing
That's the hardest part of all of this. The current upper brass has near-irreversibly burnt bridges with the interests of the half of the citizenry who'd be amicable to a transition while the other half has been chomping at the bits to destroy America, the White man, and western culture from within since (at least) the cold war. The bare minimum would be cutting all ties with Israel, cutting the global banks out of our currency, publicly excising all jewish-collective threat vectors of our society and generally making a big show about the shift in priorities for the world to see. Israel would likely be dogpiled and destroyed in the middle east (rightfully so) without its favorite beatstick and the NATO-Petrodollar system would fall apart nearly overnight. It'd be in our best interest to recruit as many like-minded ethnic kin from foreign countries and continents as possible to both give them an out for their shitty situations we've played a large part in causing as well as ensure we have more friendly boots on the ground when it comes time to fully clean house of all of the incompatible elements here. Deportations to safe harbor countries should be humane and families with multiple generations here should be receive a single-time cheque to start their new lives on (that we can now afford because we're not pumping absurd money to Israel or other international aid programs). Once we've cleaned house, a new constitution defining Nu-merica as an ethnostate for people of European lineage would need to be enacted along with immediate localized industrialization to prepare for the (expected) reprisal from the international bankers.

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Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514922616
They won't be able to mobilize enough fast enough to win in direct combat with America's lingering military reserves nor will they be able to engage in economic warfare effectively if we both have our own nationalized currency as well as are self-sufficient and are net-exporters of our goods. Their only real recourse would be to try and arm the lefty terrorist-sympathizers antifa-adjacent groups but those would be easily stomped out by local militas if the militias had the backing of the federal government to police their own areas.

The big question is who's going to cross that Rubicon?
Anonymous (ID: QUMqksc0) United States No.514922711 >>514922803 >>514923321
>>514921882
Thanks anon. I'm always glad to have a real discussion on this board.

>>514921897
Kek I need to rewatch this.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514922803
>>514922711
Thanks for the interesting thought experiment anon.
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514923321 >>514923817
>>514922527
>Deportations to safe harbor countries should be humane and families with multiple generations here should be receive a single-time cheque to start their new lives

Deal. How do we get control of the government?

>Once we've cleaned house, a new constitution defining Nu-merica as an ethnostate for people of European lineage would need to be enacted along with immediate localized industrialization to prepare for the (expected) reprisal from the international bankers.
This.
Digital bill of rights. And we need to have WW2 Germany treatment at the ABSOLUTE forefront of strategic thought.

>>514922711
Mike Judge is kang
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514923817 >>514924143
>>514923321
>How do we get control of the government?
If we operate under the assumption that every single intelligence agent and politician is compromised, it's too late and everything's fucked.
If we operate under the assumption that there's a very small minority like Massie who understand the yiddish game and are keeping their heads down while making small (relatively inconsequential) positional plays, we have viable succession candidates. The "good glowniggers" need to go play Luigi's Mansion with AIPAC, the ADL, the SPLC, the Federal Reserve chairmen, and all of the associated megakikes like Larry Fink and they need to do it all at once before the jewish hydra realizes it's directly under attack and flees the country to regroup. Hitler's mistake was letting too many of the yids flee back to England to regroup and letting the Rothschilds there whisper in Churchill's ear to force the issue of WW2.
Cut the nerve systems of the hydra before it can react, try every AIPAC congressmen of treason, and appoint the virtuous minority as successors then grant them emergency power. The enemy will try and call for "emergency special reelections" to fill seat quotas; do not let them do this. /ourguys/ need to retain control with as little friction as possible during the transitional period.


So which of the glowniggers reading this is ready to take the big first steps for the benefit of all mankind?
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514924143
>>514923817
>So which of the glowniggers reading this is ready to take the big first steps for the benefit of all mankind?

Let's fucking go glowniggers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABhyKEK-CDg
Anonymous (ID: Z5a3d6ND) United States No.514924265 >>514924426 >>514925028
>>514913353 (OP)
Who else is there to actually argue with? Real 4chaners have a combined iq of 11.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514924426 >>514925028
Expected shortterm concessions could include some of the larger but less strategically important cities. Everything on the continent can be easily reclaimed later.

There's a very real chance to lose Alaska and/or Hawaii in such a transition as they'd be logistically cut off from our (scattered) supply lines but that's an acceptable sacrifice given the circumstances as long as we can bring /ourguys/ from there back into the continental states as soon as possible. If you faggots actually do this, make sure you can hold both sides of both of the Appalachians and Rockies without getting bottlenecked in the event the cartels from Mexico and their (((new president))) get uppity.

>>514924265
It's true. I've been here since giga pudding and am terminally retarded. Free (you) since I'm in a good mood tonight.
Anonymous (ID: zkubTjJq) United States No.514924813
>>514913353 (OP)
A necessary apparatus that simply provides too much power. Even the most indefatigable proponent of moral fortitude is under the continual duress of embracing corruption

> muh greater good

Most never taste that level of power. Oversight is ultimately internal and easily assuage with blackmail, intimidation of bribery.

"And then Superman raped.."
Anonymous (ID: zkubTjJq) United States No.514924878
>>514915021
Good post.
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514925028 >>514925358
>>514924265
Based retard checking in.

>>514924426
I'll take the south.
Destroy the Panama canal.
And it's not getting rebuilt btw.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514925358
Whatever agency is reading this, remember, you won't get Americans to die for Israel but you will have near limitless manpower the moment you deputize militia groups and make ADL/AIPAC/Antifa/etc legally enemy combatants. You have no idea how excited the population is at the idea of excising this tumor forever.

>>514925028
Based.
The Machine (ID: G18+3gEh) United States No.514925594 >>514925780
is cunning a virtue.
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514925780
>>514925594
Can't have a spy without multiculturism lil bro.
TOPKEK
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514926011 >>514926873
Repopulation of the White race: This is very simple. Anyone worldwide of European descent can immigrate to this ethnostate. After the deportations we're going to have a lot of free housing. Any married White couple that has 4+ children and stays together to raise them all gets free housing and free tuition on all university education for their whole family, contingent on the family staying together throughout the kid's upbringing. Property tax is abolished nationally.

This fixes the womenpill too; every woman is set for life the moment she finds a man she's okay with getting dicked down by a minimum of 4 times. Lack of incentive to cock carousel means that she won't have her pair-bonding ability fried and that family will hopefully live very high quality lives.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514926530
Age of Consent and Marriage: Stays 18, but can be lowered to 14 with parental approval. This means that teenagers are strongly encouraged to behave in ways that reflects the values of the society and not rebel simply for its own sake while also acting as good models for children younger than them. They're rewarded for this by gaining first access to the girls if they've impressed her father. This further helps ensure stable transitions between half-generational steps with built-in reward mechanisms for socially acceptable behavior.
Anonymous (ID: pld5/2mj) United States No.514926873 >>514927022
>>514926011
>Anyone worldwide of European descent can immigrate to this ethnostate.
Will include many jews. We've done this before.
Anonymous (ID: sfT9Dozs) United States No.514927022
>>514926873
Except our racial enemies of course. We've been bitten by the viper enough to know not to pick it up now.
I meant more we're not making distinctions between French, Germanic, Aussie, British, white-Argentinian, or so on. If you're of European ancestry and not of yiddish lineage, you're in.
Anonymous (ID: 4DZTHXMa) United States No.514927283
>>514913353 (OP)
There’d be near radio silence, relatively speaking, on 4chan if Eglin AFB and the whole of Israel/India were raptured to pandemonium, if that’s what you mean.