Thread 514919442

Let's face it: most right wing people are not intelligent or skilled political actors. How do we form an effective counter-elite that wholeheartedly embraces white nationalism? How do we win over more high-IQ people to our positions? How do we effectively build elite institutions to empower our own people?

The issue is institutional discrimination

>>514919442 (OP)
>most right wing people are not intelligent or skilled political actors
Couldn't that be said of most people in general?
If not, why not?

>>514919537
Yes, but the average right winger is less intelligent than the average left winger. Especially when controlling for race. White liberals are something like 10 IQ points higher than white conservatives.

>>514919529
This is downstream of other problems. We only have discrimination against us because our opponents control the institutions to begin with. The two ways to fix this are to infiltrate institutions or build our own (preferably both), both of which will need highly competent, highly ideological, highly intelligent people.

>>514919657
It's downstream of the material interests of the ruling class

>>514919790
Marxoid detected

>>514919980
What other reason do you propose for why libs control institutions

>>514920340
I think that's a factor, but I also just think it can be a matter of ideological warfare. Why did Christianity take over? Why did liberalism initially take over? I think it took over because leftism appealed to the elite on an ideological basis. I'm not a materialist.

>>514919583
This is a false dichotomy, as modern “Left vs Right” is a family quarrel within Liberalism. Both camps share a common anthropology and theory of legitimacy; they diverge only on instruments and emphases.

Both "liberals" and "conservatives" assume:

1. Social atomism: the individual is ontologically prior to their tribe; associations are voluntary/contractual.
2. Anti-teleological metaphysics: skepticism toward an intrinsic human telos knowable by reason/nature; politics aims at preference satisfaction or autonomy, not shared ends.
3. Progress/malleability: institutions are plastic; people are born "blank slates" and are genetically interchangeable, therefore moral progress is linear, and it is possible to perfect social life.
4. Freedom as non-interference/autonomy: either “don't tread on me” (negative liberty) or “empower me to slut around and be a cocksleeve for niggers” (positive liberty) - but in both cases, freedom = self-direction.

Modern politics is not a conflict between "Left and Right" but between Liberty and Essence, and both sides of the debate have wrongly chosen Liberty first.

>>514920411
You're wondering why a particular ideology would appeal more to a certain class than another class yet you don't want to look at it through a material lens

>>514920693
I mean it's part of it, but you're presuming that the elite class in place is a liberal capitalist elite. Liberalism doesn't appeal to a nationalist elite. So why do we have a liberal capitalist elite instead of a nationalist elite? Your explanation is kind of begging the question.

>>514920642
I don't think your analysis is bad or doesn't carry insight, but it's not really a response to what I'm discussing. As identitarians, we are gunning to win over the current conservative base. They are less intelligent. If they were more intelligent maybe they would be able to mount a resistance to the 4 left wing presuppositions you listed.

>>514919442 (OP)
same as them, by a long march through the institutions. patience, persistence, subterfuge, quiet sacrifice, loose organisation & numbers are required. good luck.

>>514921508
For a long march through the institutions we need to win over maybe the majority of the young elite-aspirant groups. Maybe a supermajority of the white young elite.

>>514920962
If a capitalist elite seeks to maximize profit above all else, why would they not seek infinity cheap foreign labor and globalization? The necessary ideological justification for which is libshittery

>>514921879
They would. But why do we have a capitalist elite rather than a nationalist elite? Why didn't the state come in and stop it?

>>514920962
Because nationalists are bad capitalists.
Case in point: we are currently in a recession thanks to nationalists.

>>514922023
>But why do we have a capitalist elite rather than a nationalist elite?
Because the former have more money and thus power

>>514922141
They have more money and power because they're the elite, not the other way around.

>>514919442 (OP)
At this point, most high IQ, high value White people are already far right White nationalists. If they weren't already redpilled and noticing, the events of the last few years did the job. That is why the Overton Window has noticeably shifted so hard to the right.
(You) just don't realize this because (You) are not one of the high IQ high value White people, and they don't want to have anything to do with some loser like yourself.
You like to imagine that one day there will be brownshirts goosestepping down the street to go fight the revolution and establish the Fourth Reich and they'll all love you the most because you were repdilled on the jews and all of that way before the normies.
But the reality is the Culture Wars are already over, Chad and Brad and Stacey won and established their Reich, and you are just an irrelevant loser.

>>514922251
Sydney Sweeney is dating a kike btw

>>514922233
I mean, it's bidirectional, but if nationalists had twice the money of capitalists do you not think the former would gradually take over even if you left the current power structure favoring the latter in place?

>>514922411
Not if the state was sufficiently strong. Look at China. They have rich billionaires but the CCP gets the final say.

>>514922411
Sorry I misread. Yes, they would, but that's only because the current power structure gives the ultimate say to big business. This almost inherently leads to liberalism because of the reasons you've mentioned. But this power system is by no means natural or inevitablr. Again look at China.

>>514919442 (OP)
>Let's face it:
stopped reading right there, any fag who leads with this is trying to suck your cock w/o paying.

>>514921145
We do not have to win over the current conservative base actively. We only have to be the best presently available option.

Most White men under 35 are already redpilled on the woman question; some are on the race question, and a fewer, but growing number accept our solution to the Jewish question as well.

The main problem we have is that the elder generations of Whites remain ossified in Boomer-style "civic nationalism", which is just Liberalism with a side of religious fervor and flag-waving.

Also, we need to move away from expecting a top-down, political solution and instead focus on decentralised, local actions, such as starting small, informal White-only social and professional networks.

>>514922361
Yeah, the jew who pissed off Taylor Swift by buying the rights to her master recordings. Based.

>>514922538
The state also directly controls huge swathes of the Chinese economy, and any business of significant size is required to have Party cadres integrated into it. Capital doesn't really have a meaningful ability to compete with the state for power because of it

>>514922667
>Most White men under 35 are already redpilled on the woman question
Hot take but that does nothing.
>some on the race question
This genuinely needs to be like 80%+, and it needs to be as high in elite circles. This is of the utmost importance.
>The main problem we have is that the elder generations of Whites remain ossified in Boomer-style "civic nationalism"
Because it's in their material interests. This is a big redpill. They got their jobs, they want their social security and high housing prices.
>we need to move away from expecting a top-down, political solution and instead focus on decentralised, local actions, such as starting small, informal White-only social and professional networks.
I think we need a dual approach. We need to attack from above and from below.

>>514922870
Exactly my point. The nationalist CCP took power for itself and prevents rival interests from rising. You can say this is a result of material interests but at the end of the day that's a totally vapid claim. Materialism in the Marxist conception is false. Elites in general aren't going to take a side just based on the fact that they have power.

>>514923032
>Elites in general aren't going to take a side just based on the fact that they have power.
Capable, ambitious people will 100% tend to side with whoever is currently in power because that's the easiest way to attain wealth and power for themselves

>>514919442 (OP)
I honestly thought all the type A tryhard comp sci grads losing their jobs to jeets would produce a flood of high IQ chuds coming into the nationalist movement.

Turns out they are just as socially retarded and half as charismatic as blue collar guys.

>>514923260
>type A tryhard comp sci grads losing their jobs to jeets
That's me to a T lol, and one of my friends that's gotten redpilled.

>>514921145
>They are less intelligent.
They are not less intelligent, they're just trying so hard to be nice that they're not attacking back the kikes who are making them poor on purpose.

>>514923863
Yeah see this kinda bullshit is exactly what we need to avoid. We can't have a victimization politics. Yes, kikes have made us poorer, but intelligent people will still be able to succeed. And left wingers are objectively more intelligent than right wingers, as it stands now. This may not be true in the youth, but it's true as a whole.

>>514919514
Dead board

>>514919442 (OP)
There is no RIGHT.

On the Right, we believe in:

* Creation, micro, not macro evolution.
* Manchildren should grow up. Suffering would help.
* Women have no rights. They only have privileges given by simps. No women should be allowed in the military, police, or any position of authority.
* Sodomy should be recriminalized.
* Sodomites should be publicly executed for attempting to seduce children.
* The 59% should catch up to the 41%.
* Usury, the prime source of Jewish power, is evil.
* Race mixing is genocide. It is an attempt to destroy both races. Miscegenation should also be recriminalized.

Please stop letting centerist ‘conservatives’ pretend to be us.
They are the ideological transvestites.

The left is so educated they can't even pay their student loans.

>>514919442 (OP)
We're winning people over with truth and morality. Most people want to be good or at least try to.
I think discipline and instruction.
People like having clear and easy instructions and rules. In the past, this was the Bible and church. It was easy to follow and everybody knew right from wrong.