Thread 514932002

China / Japan
How much different would the world be today, if the USA didn't intervene to save China's existence?

China would have beaten Japan with or without the US. The war was practically unwinnable for Japan.

>>514932002 (OP)
They'd still be communist. USSR intervened and kicked out all the japanese.
If the US went in then we would have democracy in japan.

>>514932002 (OP)
>How much different would the world be today, if the USA didn't intervene to save China's existence?
Japan would have gotten completely destroyed still. They didnt have the numbers to go beyond the coast and guerilla tactics were seriously fucking up Jap logistics. Lets not forget that China has soviet assistance.

>>514932002 (OP)
End china cat torture
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yp9w5kyw7o

>>514932064
Lies. The Japanese were never on the defensive until the Pacific War and the Nukes.

>>514932152
Yeah? millions of jap troops died in China during said offensives and they captured useless land and cities since the nationalists retreated all the way to chongqing.

>>514932152
Learn more about the war. Our oil embargo was choking them out and the only other oil source was USSR. They had two choices: attack USSR or attack USA?
They obviously feared the USSR more at that point and what happened next is history.

>>514932152
Japan had been stuck in China for almost 5 years when US entered the war. They were absolutely unable to win it.

>>514932379
Did your middle school history teacher teach you that?

>>514932379
>They obviously feared the USSR more at that point and what happened next is history.
The history being the Japanese Empire surrendered after two Nuclear Bombs were dropped on their cities by the United States of America.
Their mainland wasn't touched before that, and the Russians had zero plans to touch it. USA did.

>>514932461
You do realize that when the Soviets finally got off their asses and launched an invasion into Manchukuo, the Jap divisions stationed there were swept aside like a clutter of damp leaves in autumn right?

>>514932461
Amazing isn't it? Now imagine if they attacked the USSR. The soviets would have come marching in raping everything in sight like they did with berlin.

>>514932573
>Manchukuo
Totally would impact Shintoists more than the destruction of Hiroshima. Stop kidding yourself.
>>514932578
Russians have never had Naval Dominance ever. They couldn't invade Japan proper if they wanted to. They lost a war against them 40 years prior.

>>514932689
I'm not listening to an armchair historian.
I'm simply repeating what you can find in history books. If you want to put on a tinfoil hat and debunk all of this then be my guest.
It's a friday night so have some fun.

>>514932065
>democracy in japan
A real miracle given their history

>>514932002 (OP)
Only god knows
No im serious it is simply impossible to calculate.

>>514932689
I dont know what youre smoking but ok. Fact of the matter is, the IJA could not muster enough force that can allow them to completely defeat China, given their lackluster performance. They had to attack Changsha 4 times to finally achieve pyrrhic victory. Soviet leaders would absolutely not allow Japan to win anyways and even a small trickle of arms into China will indefinitely prolong the war and Japan had far fewer men than China did.
Maybe instead of your feelings you could provide a sound rebuttal?

>>514932791
>Communist can't defend his arguments with evidence
Wow, what a shock!

>>514932002 (OP)
The Japanese goals were to divide China into different puppet states while annexing a few ports/strategic areas.

>>514932882
Its pretty easy to calculate. IJA probably thought its a 2 week war and they win after the nationalists sign a peace treaty, just like in 1st sino jap war. They were wrong.
1st sino jap war
>17k casualties for japan
2nd sino jap war
>no fixed number, numbers range from 500k-2m causalities.
For context, in 1935 the population of Japan was about 70 million.

>>514932410
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ichi-Go

china was done after this operation. this was in 1944 while japan was losing to the US.

>>514932957
>armchair historian can't be bother to read wikipedia article so he calls opponent a commie
I'm not even surprised at this point.

>>514932929
>IJA could not defeat China
This map from 1945 just before the bombs fell says otherwise.
Russia was under attack by the Wehrmacht at the time. There's a reason they didn't declare war against Japan in 1941. The British deserve major credit because if Japan got India they would have crushed the USSR.

>>514933093
>>514933163
Ahh yes. Land captured. If you bothered to read the history books from both sides, you'll understand that they didn't hold the land at all. There were under significant pressure from partisans. Not only that, the Nationalist forces were able to more or less eject the IJA from Burma. They only bothered with Burma because of Stilwell and American/British support. If they were denied this, its likely that the forces would be attriting the IJA directly in China and operation ichi go would not nearly be as successful, what with nonstop partisan activity in the lands they "captured". Why do you think the IJA had to systematically slaughter every single village they capture?

>>514933336
>flag
Singapore unconditionally surrendered to the Japanese Empire. How did they "not control the land"?

The gaijin fantasy of Japan being super stronk and being able to completely conquer china had the US not intervene is pathetic. They spend 8 years and lost 3 million men. This was going to be Vietnam tier for them seeing as the people absolutely refuse to be under their rule unless they were literal non-han manchurians.
>>514933480
Did Chiang KaiShek sign a surrender treaty of all of China just like Percival?

>>514932002 (OP)
All Asians would be one race and India wouldnt be considered a part of Asia.

>>514933480
>How did they "not control the land"?
Let me explain this in a way you can understand. The British march to Concord and stay there. Have they now captured Concord or are they now under siege?

>>514932152
And they weren't on the offensive either, the majority of the war the Japanese Army was just stuck paralyzed unable to do anything.

>>514933519
Most chuds are just weebs, so naturally they praise Japan like some sort of super state. Not gonna lie, kind of glad Japan is getting jeeted as we speak. Maybe now they'll quit sucking them off.

JEET THE JAP

JEET THE JAP

JEET THE JAP

>>514933646
Japan will get rid of their jeets in due time. As will us all.

>>514933646
>Jeetpan

>>514933594
The revolutionaries didn't have the world's foremost superpower USA to bail them out by attacking their enemies with nuclear weapons.
>>514933641
Except for conquering a fourth of the largest continent on the planet.

>>514933519
>Chiang KaiShek
Was hiding out in the Himalayas. Again, wouldn't have survived without the British keeping control of India against the IJA.

>>514933782
>The revolutionaries didn't have the world's foremost superpower USA to bail them out by attacking their enemies with nuclear weapons.
You're detracting. Fact of the matter is, unless the Japanese were able to win the hearts and minds of the people they were slaughtering, they will face nonstop partisan activity and they were losing more men in China than they can produce. They can't even take Changsha without obscene casualty numbers. The IJA overextended and no amount of corruption and incompetence on the Nationalists' part would help the IJA win the war.
>>514933849
Ah so now you also want to take out the British. Want to take out the Soviets too? They were supplying the KMT after all. Whats next? Take out the communists so theres less insurgents blowing up rail and poisoning wells?

>>514932002 (OP)
The US supported the part of China that was defeated by the Communists.

You guys are fucking retarded. The US supported the KMT.

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), led by Mao Zedong, won the Chinese Civil War, establishing the People's Republic of China on October 1, 1949, and forcing the Nationalist Party (KMT), led by Chiang Kai-shek, to retreat to Taiwan.

>>514933940
>unless the Japanese were able to win the hearts and minds of the people they were slaughtering, they will face nonstop partisan activity and they were losing more men in China than they can produce
Is that how it worked for the Mongols, a tiny tribal people, in Asian history?
No. The War against the Japanese Empire was won by the USA, UK, and other Western allies.

>>514933974
Communist China came about in the decade after Japan was defeated.

>>514933974
Well to be fair, the KMT was horrifically corrupt and it was a miracle that they weren't instagibbed by the commies who were supported by the soviets.
>>514934053
>Is that how it worked for the Mongols, a tiny tribal people, in Asian history?
There were no widespread insurgent activity after the fall of Song or Fall of Ming. There were rebellions but this is not every single villager going out to kill steppe nomads.
>No. The War against the Japanese Empire was won by the USA, UK, and other Western allies.
What is the point of your thread? You will never be Japanese.

>>514933091
>can’t even calculate death toll
>but can calculate 80 years of global geopolik of an alternate reality easily
Ok

>>514934078
Communist China already existed before Japan even took Manchukuo

>>514934157
Its hard to calculate death toll when they dont bother counting deaths and played down their numbers. The IJA cant risk losing popular support (they didnt have it daubeit) so they spoof it. Remember, they started the war after coup.

elephant in the room:

how the fuck did china become so technically powerful? so fast???

>>514934255
>how the fuck did china become so technically powerful? so fast???
They aren't. They are literally living in mudhuts and its all fake. Paper tiger. We can safely ignore them.

>>514934150
>What is the point of your thread? You will never be Japanese.
The point of it is China recently had a parade where it credited Russia and North Korean with saving it in WW2 when that's entirely historically false. The West saved China.

>>514932002 (OP)
>if the USA didn't intervene to save China's existence?
>implying Japan could win this absolute slogfest - that absorbed so much resources, from iron to rubber to tin to petroleum, that it would have inevitably forced her to invade the neighbouring euro colonies and thus the Philippines to secure her flank with or without the excuse of an american oil embargo
Just one more operation, trust the plan!

>>514934336
I wasn't aware of it since I dont give a shit about China besides their games. So? Its all for optics anyways.

>>514934486
History is important to Americans.

>>514934910
History comes easy for you since you have but 250 years

>>514932002 (OP)
Fuck that’s a hard one. Likely another war with Russia. But say USA does the embargo, but fdr stops listening to his Zionist advisor and doesn’t take it any further. War still likely, but maybe Dutch East Indies don’t get intimidated by the USA and they become the major oil supplier.

War goes on, likely eventually resulting in a colonialist peace deal where Japan hold Manchuria and a few port style cities similar to how Hong Kong was held. Japan really lacked the manpower to take the whole interior…and hold it. Their strength was naval power.

I think they would have clashed with Russia as Russia had pride issues and likely would have been emboldened after their victory at Kalkin gol. Japan just did not develop enough of a modernized land army.

>>514932379
They would probably lose even if there wasnt an embargo. That war was unwinnable.

>>514932064
Actually the Chinese front was the only front that Japan was making gains right up until the day the war ended.

>>514932002 (OP)
China is a shithole compared to Japan

>>514934974
>>514932002 (OP)
Also this, had the USSR still been victorious against Germany it would have eventually intervened directly against the japanese (as they would be a constant threat to their own interests in the region otherwise) and we all saw how quickly the IJA disintegrated when the ruskies moved against them in real life.

>>514935380
The USSR would have lost to Germany without the USA regaining control of Western Europe and the IJA's willpower disintegrated when two of its cities were disintegrated by nuclear fire.

>>514935558
>The USSR would have lost to Germany without the USA regaining control of Western Europe
Now THIS is revisionism.

>>514935635
Communist spotted
Marxist rat

>>514935380
Honestly a potential unfettered war between imperial Japan and 1940s Russia would be an interesting case study. If Germany had not started and lost, I actually give Japan better odds, because 1945 Russian land army was a completely different beast than 1941.

My best guess would be Manchuria falls to a land invasion and stopped at the Yalu, becom3s stalemate. Anything touching the coast, from Vladivostok to Irkutsk becomes Japanese. Stalemate, Sakhalin discovers energy reserves (unknown at the time). Japan or Russia sue for peace, Russia gains in Manchuria, loses pacific access.

>>514935730
Don't fucking dare call me a fucking communist you piece of shit. My family has fought and died against the mandarin speaking n*rthern bastards. Im Hokkien, not Mandarin, piece of shit.

>>514935803
Still seem a CCP sympathizer to me

>>514935873
Ok, rabbi. I hope you choke on jew cock when we Hokkien retake Nanjing and kill every mandarin speaker. Hoklo was never conquered and will never be conquered.

>>514935558
>The USSR would have lost to Germany without the USA regaining control of Western Europe
Eh, the krauts were already overextended (as their own war games predicted) so at best I can see them "winning" a pyrrhic as fuck victory if something like Leningrand falls due to the lack of american war materials and Stalin buckles under pressure and decides it is better for the USSR to lick her wounds, but german losses would still be monstrous and the reconstruction of the extractive infrastructure they wanted (for oil and grain) would take years
>and the IJA's willpower disintegrated when two of its cities were disintegrated by nuclear fire.
Revisionism bullshit, the nip general staff was delulu and many of them still wanted to fight on, with negros like Anami saying insane shit like:
>Would it not be wondrous for this whole nation to be destroyed like a beautiful flower?"

>>514935983
Based. I look forward to strangling to death 1 million mandarin cucks with you. We will fucking make the rape of Nanjing pale in comparison to what we will do to Beijing.

>>514936067
fuck off jeet, no free rape for you

>>514936067
Tng lang ban se brother

>>514932064
War dead in the Sino-Japanese War up to Nanjing (before Jews intervene)
Japan:100,000 China:300,000
China is even on the defensive and hired German warlord on their side this is how it ended up.
literal k/d 3.0

you and china sucks at war
You guys would have easily lost without the Jewish machine supply from allied
and to uphold the dignity of China, a rising super power, protege of west, this jew has to pop off and make them say "China is not weak, it was One-sided massacre".

>>514936107
Kelingkia fuck off you're next

>>514933646
Weird to hear that from the Hivan who is riding Chechen and Tajik dicks as we are speaking.

>>514936039
>Revisionism bullshit
The articles of surrender are revisionism? Sounds like you’re bullshitting yourself

>>514936163
>admits he's a jeet

singachinks and singajeets are retards, both sucking US cocks, LMAO

>>514936163
We will cleanse the land of both jeets and commies. Hokkien will be lingua franca in all east asia. I look forward to establishing the Anglican federation of South Chinese States. We will salt the ground of the blasted ruin that will be Beijing.

>>514932002 (OP)
I imagine it would have dragged out for a long long time. Chinks had the numbers to just endlessly throw away but none of the actual military strategy or power to do anything.
Worst case scenario: Russia probably would have supported eventually and Japan would consider it a lost cause.
Best case scenario: KMT and CCP give up, all get killed, and China gets reclaimed by the nationalists, never gets taken over my communists and there is a strong pan Asian empire.

>>514936288
>We will cleanse the land of both jeets and commies

maybe tell that first to your PM that keeps importing jeets there, LOL, LMAOOOO

>>514936288
Thought brings a tear to my eye. But I'm Catholic and would prefer separation of church and state as LKY intended.

>>514936350
Meh. Why not.

>>514936207
The nukes destroying the IJA's willpower is bullshit, if not for the emperor intervening in favour of the peace faction of Togo and Konoe most of the IJA leadership would have literally preferred to be atomized.

I am embarrassed by two underaged retards hijacking the whole thread for themselves.

>>514936415
ARE YOU A MANDARIN SPEAKING CHINK COMMIE? IN OUR LATE LKY'S LAND? TIONGS OUT

>>514936415
Jeet

>>514935772
>If Germany had not started and lost, I actually give Japan better odds, because 1945 Russian land army was a completely different beast than 1941.
I see your point but the USSR had already given Japan's a bloody nose (due to the IJA being unprepared for a modern war against a technologically equal adversary) at Khalkhin Gol.

>>514936403
>Hypotheticals vs. Reality.
Peace signed after the destruction of Nagasaki on a USA ship, not a Russian one.

>>514936608
A one off. Infrastructure was extremely limited in the Russian far east. Russia would probably send a large mechanized expeditionary force. Would probably make big early war gains, but seeing as we are talking about a war just between Russia and Japan…Japanese partisans would rip up every rail in Siberia and blockade all ports. So any forces stuck in Siberia would ultimately be cut off or at best extremely slow to resupply.

>>514935380
>we all saw how quickly the IJA disintegrated when the ruskies moved against them in real life.
It was a 2 front war with most of the already exhausts resources going to the IJN. There would be no problems if USA never got involved, which is the topic of this thread.

>>514936719
They only hastily surrendered because of the Soviets, they didnt want communism. This is historical fact. The war cabinet was literally about to fight to the death and the Emperor was about to allow it until Manchukuo was lost to the Soviets in literally, no joke, 2 weeks.

>>514936803
Tell me how Isoroku was of any help to the war effort in China? Can Musashi and Yamato sail up the yellow river?

>>514936847
Yes, “communism” was scarier to them than the only two nukes ever denoted in history. Totally.

I dunno man, I play hoi3 a lot and defeating China is easy enough.
First of all you retreat the fuck out of Manchuria. The Chinese AI is dumb and will advance in. Let them. Once the Chinks are in balls deep you land near Beijing and drive north west, knocking Shanxi out and trapping the bulk of the Chinese army, which is now out of supply, in Manchuria.
Then the slaughter begins.
The Chinese will go hysterical trying to escape the trap. You line your divisions up and wait for them to try attacking you across the Yongding river.
Hundreds of thousands of them, now beginning to starve, low on ammunition, charging across open terrain, swimming across river, right into the face of your numerous machine guns nests.
Hahaha! The rivers run red with Chinese blood!
Your mortars blast them. Artillery rains down! Squadrons of your dive bombers and fighters sweep the river adding to their mayhem.
And yet more come, wave after wave, knowing that this is only way to escape.
You laugh as the butchering begins again. Watching them die in their droves and drowning like like ants.
Hahaha! Hahaha!
They retreat, regroup, and try again! Each time weaker. Suffering immense losses! Its hopeless!
Hahahah! Ahahahah! DIE YOU BASTARDS! DIE! HAHAHAHAH!
Get some! Get some!
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
Well after that its game over. You just march slowly into the rest of China, brushing aside the Commies, raping and pillaging along the way. You dont need many divisions by this time, so logistics isn't much of a problem. There will still be a few Chinese divisions left of course, but they will be weak so its not a problem to surround and defeat them in detail. Its very much just a matter of carrying out a tedious march into the Chinese hinterland to snatch the last remaining victory points needed to force their surrender.
Now of course if you play as China against Japan you can do exactly the same thing, but in reverse. Because the AI is fucking stupid and allows you to get away with crazy shit.

>>514936900
Detonated against civilians*

>>514936900
>>514936921
It is. Read up history.

>>514936875
>Can Musashi and Yamato sail up the yellow river?
No but you don't need to with the Akagi, Kaga, and the Shoukakus. Did Russia even have carriers? I know China sure as shit didn't.

>>514936719
It is no hypothetical, we have transcripts and direct accounts of their perspectives (like the one from Anami) and even with the emperor directing them to surrender, some army fags still tried to take over the palace and kidnap him to prevent him from giving his famous surrender speech to the nation and the armed forces.

>>514937030
Wow. Very impressive. Tell me how Kaga, Akagi, Shoukaku, Zuikaku, i'll even throw in Taihou. Tell me how they can attack Chongqing.

>>514936803
>Jap is the only intelligent Asian flag in the thread
You guys should have a 10 child policy
Japan is the best

>>514936803
People kind of gloss over how the second sino Japanese war was one of the largest, if not the largest at that point, land war in human history.

Yeah like we could've conquer all of china with 8 billions populations or something like that with million Jap soliders duh

>>514937101
>Tell me how they can attack Chongqing.
I don't even know what chinkland this is and it doesn't matter. Every chink would be dead if the USA and Russia didn't get involved and we would have eternal peace in Asia.

>>514937216
I... I suppose youre right. Fucking Americans. They ruin everything.

>>514936803
>>514936786
This implies that Japan's goes for the IJA's siberian plan (thus maintaining a strong presence at the border with the USSR) instead of the IJN pacific colonies one (which maintained a somewhat skeleton force in Manchuria), which wouldn't make any sense because Japan would still require the resources from the euro colonies to feed its warmachine in China and so the IJN plan should still be picked.

>>514937284
We are just thinking about potentials anon. In this scenario, USA is not involved or seen as a threat.

The reality is that the USA was an inevitable threat and non of this would have happened. So for the sake of discussion, Siberian plan is the only one that makes sense.

>>514937271
>ruined
Japs would have raped the fuck out of you without US

>>514932065
Yeah, if Japan took over China, China would end up a part of USSR later.

>>514937426
But they didn't. Yeah my clan almost got wiped out by sook ching but its necessary deaths for the greater east co prosperity sphere

>>514937349
I am following the hypothetical, anon. Even with the US happily deciding to ignore geopolitical concerns in favour of good will and money and continuing to sell oil and other raw resources to Japan. The sheer material requirements of the sino-japanese war would have forced them to press euro governments for a bigger share of their local colonial resources (as it happened in real life) and to go to war against them (with the IJN dangerously deciding not to do Pearl Harbor nor the occupation of the Philippines if you really want the US to stay out of it) when the Dutch and British inevitably say no as IRL (due to a mix of moral and material concerns of their own).

>>514937426
>Japs would have raped the fuck out of you without US
You raped them anyway

>>514937635
Nuking =/= raping

>>514932002 (OP)
The soviets would have moved in and steamrolled them like they did in Manchuria.
Their land forces were really weak and they did not even had real tanks.
It was a miracle that they expanded so much like they did.

>>514937631
I tend to believe that war would not happen until much later in that scenario. Russia was much more worried about being a European power and dealing with European threats. They knew how vulnerable their logistics were in the east. The likely would have no interest in pursuing a war until the vast energy reserves had been found in like 50s I think it was.

>>514937737
>like they did in Manchuria
There’s a little thing called the ocean that distinguishes Manchuria from mainland Japan

>>514937737
By the time the soviets rolled in, the navy was destroyed by the us, denying Japan its single most valuable asset and one Russia alone would have zero hope of stopping. Second, the great Manchurian army had been so completely undersupplied due to all war rations going to either mainland or the navy, they were essentially bolt action conscript settlers verse a modern mechanized force. Japan actually was fine with sacrificing it to prop up the mainland defense. In a no war with USA scenario, that would be a very different force, and likely invasion of Manchuria would be a short term win for Russia, but quickly find their supply lines thin and under threat.

Tear up the rail, block Vladivostok, and you basically just cut any way to resupply ever.

>>514937737
>It was a miracle that they expanded so much like they did.
Nationalists didn't have weapons besides swords and some rifles. Japan had air power and tanks.

>>514937744
I could see that (specially depending on how the war against Germany went and if the US was willing to not only not embargo but significantly expand its exports to Japan so its need for euro colonial resources is smaller). Amusingly if the ruskies still steal the nuke from the US as IRL, some part of Japan might still get nuked (though all the way into the 50s) or worse, we might actually see tacti-nukes being used.

>>514932064
This. Almost every single reputable and most cited American war historians agree with this. Even the US Army war college. China was a sink. Honestly, in a way, the Japanese were the most retarded in this war, save for non-White Italy.

>>514938352
>reputable or cited American
Oh, an ivory tower folk. Let me guess, they also think the current president is Satan.

>>514938352
The Italians never spanked anyone close to as hard as the Japanese spanked the uk.

And I guess we will just ignore the French completely.

>>514938528
No. The those historians that are fellows in the conservative think tanks think we can defeat China handedly.

Throughout WWII, more than half of the Japanese land forces were tied up on the Chinese front. The stalemate was so terrible that they essentially gave up on holding territory and burned everything down instead. Later in the war, they also had to open a new front in Southeast Asia to replenish their forces. Southeast Asia had some of the biggest and harshest forced labor camps.

>>514938352
Also that’s not true at all. Historians believe, that an embargoed and energy deprived Japan would cause a logistical collapse. Which is probably true, but it assumes that china had the capacity to take advantage of that, which is laughable. More likely is following such logistical crash, Japan retreats back to major waterways and cities and continues to strangle the largely peasant partisans.

>>514938677
>Southeast Asia
Was entirely controlled by the Empire of Japan in 1945

>>514932002 (OP)
>How much different would the world be today, if the USA didn't intervene to save China's existence?
Chinks would have better lives with Japan administering their shithole, just as slavs would be wealthy and sophisticated with Germans ruling them. The good guys lost the war.

>>514932002 (OP)
i don't want this
imagine all chinese immigrants living in here

>>514936906
i really want to learn this game and play it
but i also like having a life and leaving the house
this looks like one of those games you endlessly play for hours a day because you have no social life
i enjoy pussy and leaving my apartment to talk to beautiful women and workout
so maybe this game isnt for me

>>514940125
is that much worse than having indian migrants

>>514932064
>China would have beaten Japan
the chinese dogs rolled over the second the japs were coming because the PRC and ROC were fighting a war with literal farm equipment against men with guns.

>>514941365
when colony has more population, worse
having a colony with 10 times bigger population? terrible

>>514932002 (OP)
>Amerimutt education

Is this the new cope after the Amerimutt narative of everyone hating China and everyone siding with Amerimutts against China was ridiculed by everyone except Amerimutt occupied countries attending Chinas parade about defeating Japs?

>>514941717
arent japanese and chinese basically the same people anyway

>>514942333
china is multicultural and multiethnic like russia

>>514932064
Amerimutt education never goes deeper than Wikipedia and ESL brainlet phrases Amerimutts can comprehend. 60% of Amerimutt children cant read you remember?

The glowniggers and pajeets on Wikipedia made sure to obfuscate and hide the whole Jap fumbling the China campagin and Ukraine level war period deep down in the prose. If you asked an Amerimutt what Japan announced and planed how long their invasion would last (4 weeks) how much they lost (1 Million Japs just the first 4 months of scraping along the coastlines) even the less ingoistic Amerimutts would unironically believe Japs "streamrolled" China in less than a year and then just dealt with localized rebelilions in the inland rather than struggling to just hold the coastlines.

Amerimutts dont even know Japs where forced to sign a NAP with Russia after getting their shit pushed in by Russia earlier just to focus on China and empty all of Japans goldreserves in the process buying oil and supplies from Amerijews for almost a decade before Amerijews backstabbed Japan at a time of weakness and cut Japans lifeline almost a decade into it China campaign. They never even touch on the latter parts because that would give credit to Russia or make Amerimutts look like Jews playing both sides (they where).

>>514942333
90% of Japs couldnt tell themself or be told appart from 90% of Chinese in both directions. Especially younger women.

Amerimutts and Amerimutts larping as Japs on /pol/ always hyperfocus on Japans Tokyo and Kobe Jews or old Korean admixture phenotypes. Thats like taking Asian-Americans as representatives for America when comparing them to white Europeans and declaring Americans are not white.

>>514942333
modern chinese are just serf NPCs who've been bullied and had all their eugenics sucked out by a tyrant, real chinese for 4000 years untill Jew liberated them.
Japs are the real chinese, since their geopolitics was well suited to storing old Asian gene, unlike mongor-raped tribes such as yourrself.

>>514933093
Bro, it was useless. It was impossible for Japan to control china without local snakes.

In 1920 Japan also controlled some parts of china. It was useless.

>>514933163
Stop taking drugs. Btw, Japan never wanted to fight ussr.

>>514934336
Stop taking drugs. No.

>>514943138
They were probably refugees from the mainland(China) who were bought by the Shoguns as serfs in the 16th century with advise of Christians.
There are a fair number of Samurai-looking japs in northern and southern Japan outside of those Shogun's area of influence, so you're just looking at mirror.

>>514940125
There's already so many Chinese immigrants now. A nonAmericanized Japan would never have allowed Chinese to buy land in Japan.
>>514942333
No

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY COUNTRY DID MORE TO STAMP OUT HUMANITY'S LAST STAND AGAINST THE GLOBAL BANK CARTELS AND SYSTEMATIC MISCEGENATION THAN YOOOOOOUUUURRRS!!!! ;;
Why are you guys like this

Kmt was crazy and Japanese fought with them only because of this.

Also, kmt was attacking everyone, Chinese civilians, soviets, japs.

Germany was also helping kmt.

Let's assume usa never attacked Japan and never oil block them.
Germany was defeated etc, china was occupied by Japan.
Japan (and Asia) would unite with ussr amd create east power block. With ussr or without.

Against america and eu.

>>514944307
>Kmt was crazy
This. No one talks about this because it completely goes against the narrative of painting Japan as comically evil for no reason in favor of propping up insane communists, of all things.
The KMT was jewish Bolshevism: Chink edition.

>>514932064
>Fpbp
The Japanese were far better is every aspect of warfare, and won nearly every major battle, yet would eventually have been exhausted by the Chinks. And it was the Nationalists that did the heavy lifting with the Commies coming in to ske the spoils.

>>514935635
Sorry but Nazi Germany would have won without the United States in the war.

The better question is how much different would the world be today if the USA didn't intervene to save both the Bolsheviks in Russia and the Communists in China? The Communists of Asia never had a greater ally than the United States.

>>514932065
russian was going to invade japan and at least take Hokkaido. without the Nukes, the war would have ended very differently. russia would have fought japan everywhere.

>>514946019
Well now that those filthy commie dogs will Balkanize in a decade or two, Japan will snap up their old islands right back whenever or whoever the next eastern tin pot mafia warlord thinks they can sell it off for a good buck.

I look forward to building a nice retirement cabin on Karafuto.

>>514945624
>The Communists of Asia never had a greater ally than the United States.
And yet they dont credit the US at all for saving them.

>>514946019
>russian was going to invade japan and at least take Hokkaido
With what navy? The topic here is if the US never intervened and the only reason China or Russia gained any footing over Japan was because of the USA.

>>514932064

That's fake and gay and bullshit. Japan beat China. They had done so before WW2. For decades, occupying it. A vacuum was created on their defeat causing communism to form.

Militarily China had been conquered previously by the Europeans and Russia collapsing it. Japan moved in occupying it had been at it, for decades prior to WW2. Not all of it, no.

China prior to WW2 wasn't the same borders either. It has since expanded. Tibet for example and etc etc.

>>514932002 (OP)
East Asia would have been a peaceful, democratic region.

>>514948536

Hahahahaha. You were Empire with an Emperor. Nothing democratic about it. Joke of the day.

Democracy won shit as usual. Overpopulating the planet into poverty and today the weather. All democracy has achieved is rubbish