Thread 514942835

Why are Americans so afraid of a universal healthcare system?

because universal healthcare is LITERALLY communism, fuck off

Conservatives give endless aid to Israel to pay for their free healthcare and college and you won't do anything but vote for them again.

>>514942835 (OP)

Because a fat, old, drunk, lazy, cigarette smoking, fast-food eating, loser, retarded, drug-addicted faggot shouldn't be getting subsidized Healthcare from healthy, young, clean, hardworking, successful, intelligent, heterosexuals.

No, I don't believe in equality or fairness. People that make criminal and stupid decisions should be punished for their actions.

>>514942835 (OP)

Also, a young single man working shouldn't be taxed to death for single mothers getting ran through by niggers, spics and white trash baby daddys.

I know, this is a hard concept for most of you pushover faggots to comprehend.

They know it's good for them. USA goyim are just afraid that they wouldn't be able to provide it for Israel. They are strongly against this and many are terrified as something evil and communistic.

>>514942835 (OP)
Universal healthcare should simply exist. It prevents bad luck from judging your success. It's 100% meritocratic and capitalistic.

Because Americans have been brainwashed by Jewish propaganda for decades to see anything that's within their self interest as commie bullshit and consider anything that actively works against them as worthy to struggle against. When you tell them that basically every other white country on Earth has a better public healthcare system, they shut down and repeat the usual zog talking points. It's very sad and pathetic.

>>514943107
>People that make criminal and stupid decisions should be punished for their actions.
This has literally nothing to do with healthcare. If it's criminal then they go to jail, or are executed, amputated, or whatever your justic system dictates.

>>514943107
>healthy, young, clean, hardworking, successful, intelligent, heterosexuals never need healthcare

>>514942835 (OP)
I pay 1100 a month for free healthcare in Germany. I can not get into private insurance, because 15 years ago, I visited a cardiologist after my dad had a problem, who told me that I am fit with no disease at all. I applied for private insurance with that result and was blacklisted for all German private insurances for that. I reapplied anonymously after waiting years until that result was officially deleted, and got offers. When I put in my real name, my application was denied with no explanation by four insurances. I have no disease that I know of, no criminal record, nothing that would make me a bad citizen (to avoid legal repercussions, I can not write the correct word) . Private would be 500 to 600 a month for me. Bureaucrats pay 250 to 350 a month. Embedded Germans will argue against this, but everything I wrote is absolutely true. The reasons for this in my opinion: Extreme lobbyism (to avoid legal repercussions, I can not write the correct word).

But I have to admit, the US healthcare system is pretty clownish.

>>514943107
>People that make criminal and stupid decisions should be punished for their actions.

criminal in prison get free food and healthcare

working men have to pay for healthcare, and grade school children go into debt for food

>>514942835 (OP)
For me if it's because the government tried to give everyone cancer with a gene therapy they claimed was a vaccine.

Our government isn't trustworthy so we don't trust it, that's the root of the problem.

We already spend twice our military budget on healthcare and have 100,000,000 illegal aliens that abuse the system

>>514943840
>Our government isn't trustworthy so we don't trust it, that's the root of the problem.
except this government currently is fully trustworthy 100% otherwise you're a tranny

I don't know, but I am hell bent on wanting US to have free healthcare, well, paid for by taxes.

I want us both to have free healthcare, all of it, including pharmaceuticals, and, to have the option to Chose the doctors, nurses, hospitals and clinics we seek treatment in.

I want laws restricting profit when it comes to health.

I don't want people going bankrupt over medical bills. It enrages me.

>Americans when their medical system has been manipulated for decades by Jewish lobbying groups, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies to actively screw the goyim and get as much money out of them as possible.
"I'm proud to pay for my ridiculously expensive private insurance that would still let me die if the costs of my medicine was too high! Anything else is WOKE COMMIE BULLSHIT"

>Americans when the rest of the white 1st world has a decent public healthcare system
"WOW ENJOY PAYING FOR SOME FAT UGLY TRANNY'S BOTTOM SURGERY, KEK!"

It's amazing how brainwashed you mutts are, genuinely.

>>514943769
>no criminal record, nothing that would make me a bad citizen
Germany won't give you healthcare if you were a "bad citizen"?

>>514942835 (OP)
Because they love getting scammed in the ass.

>>514943985
You're an Operation Warp Speed fan and fully boosted I take it?

>>514943769
Maybe I should add that I had only one insurance claim in my life, my parking car was totaled by someone else, and I got paid in full for it, so it's not that I tried some insurance fraud and got blacklisted for that either. By the way, Germans can only switch to another private health insurance company if they are healthy. So nearly no one after age 40 or 50 can do that, which means it's rip-off time. Also, when you get private health insurance, you have to answer health questions, which are sometimes phrased like "did you ever have symptoms of a severe disease", to which you have to answer no to get the insurance. But having a night sweat is a symptom of lymphatic cancer, headache that of a blood pressure crisis or a brain tumor, and pain in a finger a symptom of deadly systemic rheumatic disease. So I specifically chose insurance companies which ask specific questions about diagnoses only, to avoid this legal trap.

>>514944030
I do not know all the criteria of this blacklist, only that my case is written proof that it exists. I guess it is just about insurance fraud and prior health diagnoses. But you get public healthcare in any case. You do not have to pay for it below a certain income, or if you are a government worker, and effectively, you do not pay if your business gets paid by the government. I know how certain people organize it to pay nothing while making a lot of money, but I will not do that in public to avoid legal repercussions.

>>514943107
you swallowed that neoliberalist pill like a good goy.

>>514942835 (OP)
under a universal healthcare system, all those costs are still there, you just pay for it with higher taxes and crummier service. The free market is the only way to deliver healthcare to the people.

Hey, chat, is this real?

>>514944030
You can see the amount you would pay here: https://www.tk.de/service/app/2004108/beitragsrechner/selbststaendigeRechner.app
Wage-receiving inhabitants of Germany are made to believe they pay half that amount, but this is what their employer/lord has to pay for them, plus bureaucracy, plus a few other health insurances like Umlage U1.

>>514943769
you know the gdpr exists? if you are right about what you say it should be fairly easy for you to investigate and prove.

>>514942835 (OP)
$859? Well, it's cheaper than a semester's worth of textbooks.

>>514942835 (OP)
Why would you write like that after your son just died, seems fake

>>514943107
>2016 election tourist detected

They don't want it. They don't want to subsidise the healthcare of people they potentially hate.
>Why should I pay taxes the healthcare of a potential scumbag who I hate and would like to die?

>>514943769
also there is a cap for how much you pay per month for health insurance (Beitragsbemessungsgrenze). there is no way you pay 1.1k per month except if you are self-employed maybe.

>>514944324
Yet, a medical doctor receives 800k per year in your country, or more. I had to train medical doctors in STEM basics as a teenager for a grad program. Your mom on crack cocaine could well have better reasoning ability, so it is not a rare gift to be able to do that job. But for some reason, there are quotas limiting the amount of doctors, and insurances negotiate very very hard to get the best price.

>>514942835 (OP)
I don’t want to pay for niggers to exist and I would rather pay for their total genocide

>>514943769
Not sure if mentally ill schizo or troll.

>>514942835 (OP)
freedom > healthcare.

>>514944800
We don't currently have a free market system. That's for sure. It's insane and evil.

>>514942835 (OP)
Because it only works in ethno states.
America is a genetic shithole.

Europe is turning more and more into a similar shithole and we see how the healthcare system is crumbling under the weight of niggers and sandniggers.

>>514943658
>and stupid
Don't they teach you budget frenchies how to read?

>>514944536
I have looked into that with a lawyer. Ultimately, insurances do not have to disclose any data why they rejected me, even in the case they reject me after successful anonymous application. I would have to fight the joined result at higher courts, pay lots of money to the lawyer in advance. I talked to Verbraucherschutz and patient organizations, they shy away from cases like mine. I got Anwartschaft for an international health insurance instead, and will leave next year, after my finances have been optimized against Wegzugbesteuerung.

They love being fucked in the ass by big pharma, special interest groups and investors.
It's literally the foundation of modern American identity.

>>514942835 (OP)
One time I got sent to an emergency room and the cops gave them my real name so they sent me 200 dollar bill when all they did was swab my hand with hydrogen peroxide. I talked to the thwir billing department and got them to knock it down to something reasonable and then never paid them shit.

>>514942835 (OP)
She couldn't figure that out herself? Or was it more COME SAVE MUH SONS!!!!!! She called them, they showed up, and she got billed for it. Simple. Pretty sure her government provided Medicaid, SNAP, and section 8 make up for that measly sum of lest than she takes from taxpayers per year. She looks like some nigger mutt, maybe Dominican.

>>514942835 (OP)
Because it's a massive money blackhole which gives terrible care and opens the door to the government regulating your behaviour.

>>514944934
Now watch how every better paying job including aerospace engineering is automated away, while you still have to talk to a doctor in person for the nth metformin prescription, to protect you from AI misdiagnosis.

>>514944800
>Yet, a medical doctor receives 800k per year in your country, or more.
The average is $250k/year. Stop being a retarded faggot.

>>514942835 (OP)
I'm not paying for bl*cks.

>>514942906
lol
Jews run your whole government

>>514945274
>automated away
Oh, it's a poo, chink, or other form of sub-human. Why do you low IQ faggots worship AI and automation like it's some kind of God? Seriously, it's really fucking weird.

>>514945196
>money blackhole

They burned 8+ T USD in post 9/11 Middle East interventions and got nothing out of it. What in the fuck's dick name are you talking about in terms of wasting money, Guptar?

>>514943658

It has everything to do with Healthcare. It's actusll pathetic how fucking retarded Europeans actually are.

>people doing drugs doesn't effect their health!
>people sleeping around and getting knocked up has nothing to do with stds or Healthcare!
>people stuffing their mouths with fast food, drinking alcohol and smoking has nothing to do with Healthcare!

Honestly, fuck you for being this retarded.

>>514943662

Their Healthcare should be 100x cheaper, bozo. That's why universal Healthcare is a scam. Healthcare premiums should be determined by your health habits and life choices.

>>514943785

Most criminals should be executed.

>>514944316

Ya, because being a LARPing Fascist on 4chan or a Communist tranny on Reddit is "le based!" Right? Fuck off Eurocuck.

>>514945433
My posts reek of German ESL, and the content shows I live here for decades and know the intricacies of the system.

>>514945321
I used hyperbole here and used the income of specialists, but 250k seems to include the low paid training years. Somehow they always gravitate towards a system of very low payments for beginners, it's no different over here, hospital work pays little, but once you are licensed to become a freelancing specialist, you sell the Skoda and buy the Bentley.

>>514943107
>Because a fat, old, drunk, lazy, cigarette smoking, fast-food eating, loser, retarded, drug-addicted faggot shouldn't be getting subsidized Healthcare from healthy, young, clean, hardworking, successful, intelligent, heterosexuals.
unless theyre jewish of course

>>514942835 (OP)
This is the fruit of Judaism. To end all this is to end the parasite that created it.

>>514945692
>but once you are licensed to become a freelancing specialist,
That's how the world works. And there are a limited amount of them, that have been to school for 10+ years, and practicing for 20 more on top of that. That's life. The more experience you have, the more you make. You think someone that went to school for 10 years and paid $200k for it, and then put in 20 years of service should be paid peanuts like your lazy ass? You're either a shitskin, poo, or that Mongoloid Serb Dennis. Which is it? Post hand.

Universal healthcare is not healthcare, it's government force.
The government can decide to not treat you at all. Or force you to do things in order to receive any help at all, or delay treatment until you die, or pressure you to unalive yourself.
There is no contract, you, a patient, have no rights, and the government is under no obligation to treat you under universal healthcare.

>>514943769
>I pay 1100 a month for free healthcare in Germany.
maximum is about 475€ even if you earned like 500k a month, idiot

>>514945000
notice under gdpr costs you nothing. they are not supposed to disclose their secret sauce to you but if you feel that you have been rejected based on wrong data you have a right for correction. they can react to your gdpr demand within a month. if they don't you just hand your case over to the authorities which will investigate the case for free. that's the power of the gdpr. there is no reason for a lawyer. they either comply or pay a fine.

>>514945883
As I wrote, I went to grad school in my teenage years. Effectively, I studied for 15 years, as in normal student years. If I wouldn't have built a service in the 2010s nearly on my own, I would be fearing food and gas prices for the rest of my life. We do not have a system that pays for hard work or skills. My example, the aerospace engineers, have way harder course work than med school students, and they can get unpersoned for making a grave mistake, and those younger than 50 will never get compensated for that due to AI automation. The societal contract has been broken, and medicine is miraculously exempt from all of this.

>>514945435
And?
Do you think they wouldn't have gone there if they had universal health care or something?
Do you think wasting money in one place makes it ok to waste it somewhere else?
It's still money being wasted.

>>514942835 (OP)
Good im glad that faggots son was slaughtered. Hopefully he dies.

>>514942835 (OP)
it creates an unhealthy dependency on the state. Personal freedom requires personal responsibility.

>>514942835 (OP)
Having normal healthcare would be communism. They can just buy a gun and shoot themselves in the head if they cant afford basic medical care.

>>514942835 (OP)
>universal

What does universal mean? Healthcare is already "universal". But governments makes it tenfold as expensive with excessive regulations.

>>514943107
>I shouldn't benefit if it means someone else could benefit too
Crab in a bucket

>>514946502
I posted the link in >>5149445. The highest rate is 1100+, which I pay. Same is true for the employed: https://www.tk.de/service/app/2004008/beitragsrechner/arbeitnehmerRechner.app, tops out at 1100+. Do not get tricked by the Gehaltsabrechnung, it's the stupidest trick in the book. The calculation goes like this: I need employees to get x work done. How much does it cost me in Germany, how much in India? So it is total employee cost, including setup, logistics, quality assurance and cultural differences (to avoid legal repercussions, I can not write the correct word). That is the market, that is the value of the work. From that value, the government takes a fraction. That fraction includes both Arbeitgeber- and Arbeitnehmeranteil, it does not matter how it is displayed to employees.

>>514942835 (OP)
you can bill it to the child?

>>514945472
>people stuffing their mouths with fast food, drinking alcohol and smoking has nothing to do with Healthcare!


Oy veyyyy. Yes give the poorest of goyim the most processed foods that give them cancer because its all they deserve.. then blame it on them hahaha

>>514946857
Ah you meant the general GDPR request. I did that with my public health insurance, and my insurance invoice data, and all patient records. I did that with my first application, but there was nothing in it, of course. They are not legally required to send me all internal documents about their decision process. I just received the assessment that showed no risk on the health side, my sent patient record, and then the denial letter.

>>514947783
>Ich bin Selbstzahler
lol

>>514942835 (OP)
They'll charge you that amount under the universal system too, only it will be built into your federal withholding. Meaning the middle class will once again be picking up the slack because you can't get shit from the rich and you can't get shit from the poor.

>>514943769
>I am fit with no disease
>Private insurance won't take me
Isn't the other way around?

>>514942835 (OP)
>honest-to-god
that should multiply the bill 5 fold

>>514947783
you're self-employed then. what's the matter? you still cap out at the beitragsbemessungsgrenze. 1.1k is the total of what you pay to your employee (yourself) and what you have to pay as a company for each employee (also yourself). you're misleading people in this thread.

>>514947722

You're literally to brainwashed as a Eurocuck to understand what liberty and accountability even means.

Crab in a bucket would be the exact opposite of individual Healthcare. Universal Healthcare = I can be a lazy loser, eat and drink myself onto a coma then have someone else be forced to take care of me.

You're the fucking crab.

>>514947964
they are legally required to send you sources and everything. all the data they get from third parties. sometimes they send you some general shit back but in your case there might or might not be a reason as to why they rejected you. they will not tell you why they rejected you (they might have to if the process is automated though). but you can have access to literally all data points. this is not a joke. read the gdpr. it's not that long of a law.

>>514947899
>NOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY OWN ACTIONS!!!!!

Are you a nigger or a Eurocuck? Because I literally can't tell the difference.

>>514948483
If my country wants to "hold me accountable" for living paycheck to paycheck as a poor person working full time and only buying the food I can afford. I would rather be a eurocuck.

Kim, if youre reading this please nuke America

>>514948880

If you have a job you should already have Healthcare you tard. Over 50% of USA companies give you insurance through the company. If it's a large employer with 200+ employees it's basically a 100% chance you have Healthcare through your employer. If you're 65+ you have Medicare and Social Security. If you're in poverty you have Medicaid, SNAP and Section-8. If you're in an emergency you can always go to an emergency room and they literally can't turn you away.

Stop acting like a pussy faggot that "can't make it" in America.

>>514949258
Jew

>Get hit by a car through no fault of your own
>Pay hundreds of thousands out the ass in medical bills
>According to Americans, this is somehow the fault of the injured individual and a failing of personal responsibility

It is absolutely unreal how dumb you people are.

>>514949344

You hate the fact that I'm right. You hate the fact that you actually have to work and provide a product or service to society to actually live a fulfilling life.

The fact that you'd rather be a leech and have everyone take care of you makes you sound like the kike (or nigger), not me.

>>514943107

You're a retard.

>>514943107
This
No more free shit for niggers and degens

>>514942897
worst D/C campaign I have ever seen glowie

>>514944000

I couldn't agree with you more. It's inhumane. I had to file bankruptcy awhile back. Nearly $10,000 in medical debt. Don't get sick or into a car accident.

>>514942835 (OP)
We unironically have elite healthcare because these companies are subsidized while giving healthcare benefits to their own employees, mostly the top 1%

>>514942835 (OP)
We already have essentially free healthcare for brown people and spend gorrillions on old people

>>514949496
Believe it or not I'm on SNAP and medicaid and work 50-60 hours a week. But whatever assumption validates your golem mindset i guess.

>provide a product or service to society to actually live a fulfilling life

YES! Goyim daycare is essential for feeling fulfilled and providing to society! So much this! Have you read ayn Rand and Milton Friedman? Theyre so based lol

>What Ben Shapiro tells you: American healthcare has to be more expensive because it drives American medical innovation and the system would buckle without that premium price.
>Reality: Almost all American medical research happens at universities with private funding.

>>514949748
Actually our universities get tons of welfare from the fed which is why they constantly have fake expansions to bring in more non whites

>>514949495

I wouldn't expect a Eurocuck to actually understand medical (or car) insurance in the USA.

If you got hit by a car, the person that hit you would have to cover your medical bills out of their car insurance, which has personal injury coverage, usually $50k or more. If your injuries exceed their policy, the person liable for hitting you would be on the hook for your medical bills. Their wages would likely be garnished from their job until your bills were paid off. If they refuse to pay, you can literally seize all of their assets they own until it's paid off.

If they still didn't have enough, your own medical insurance would cover the excess bills, then go after the person liable for hitting you and take them to court.

The person that hit you would be fucked.

>>514950006
Also if they're an uninsured Mexican fuck you.

>>514949687

Lol, you're a fucking liar.

Post where you work and what state you live in. Post your wages, including your overtime pay if it's applicable. Then post how much you receive in Medicaid and SNAP benefits.

Let me guess. You work 60 hours at a gas station in Texas? McDonald's pays double the Federal Minimum wage even in Texas.

Go ahead, let's hear your bullshit story.

>>514945472
Imagine an amerifat giving lectures to others on health and the healthcare system. Don't you guys literally shit yourselves in public because your diets are so bad?

>Healthcare premiums should be determined by your health habits and life choices

Ahh yes, the old "take the vaccine or you don't deserve healthcare" argument. Fuck off and kill yourself big pharma nigger

>>514949748
>Almost all American medical research happens at universities with private funding.
Even our 'private' universities with tens of billions of dollars sitting in their investment portfolios have all their research paid for by the government.

>>514950250
Healthcare is not affordable for a fat minority population. At best we could have a failed healthcare system like Canada or the UK where the only thing you actually get are free checkups from a Somalian GP which tells you the rash on your ass is lupus

>>514950250

This entire thread is niggers, kikes and Eurocucks (what's the difference?) seething about actually having to work for a living and not be allowed to be lazy parasites that solely survive off of the work of others... lmfao, sad.

>>514950384
>actually having to work for a living and not be allowed to be lazy parasites that solely survive off of the work of others
Except our current system has the government paying for the healthcare of people who don't work for a living. The only people the government aren't providing healthcare to are the taxpaying workers, who have to pay for their own healthcare in addition to everyone else's.

Why are you people so retarded and incapable of understanding this?

>>514942835 (OP)
Poor/working people can get Obamacare, it's like $40 a month and is way better than UK or Canada national health service.

It's the people that say "muh communism, I need that $40 to buy cigarettes" people who get these $39,425 bills for 24 hours in the hospital.

>>514950076
>an illegal alien hits you in a car
>this is why we need universal Healthcare!

No, it's why every illegal needs to be forcibly removed from the USA.

You sound like a liberal faggot.

>>514943215
You just described the American healthcare system as it exists right now. Do you think niggers pay for healthcare? It's either free from Medicaid, or they just skip out on the ER bill. Either way, that cost is coming out of a white man's pocket through taxes and higher healthcare costs.
That's why I haven't paid a medical bill in years. Fuck 'em.

>>514950515
Exactly. Why would you support more of that? Because I guarantee you it would only get worse with more embezzlement

We've essentially passed the point that we could trust our government with healthcare

>>514950515

Correct. And universal Healthcare would make it worse. My offer is to do the complete opposite.

You work, save and buy insurance. If you don't, too bad for you.

>>514943588
Capitalism is all about luck. If you were lucky enough to be born a jew, you get to run the whole show. Otherwise, you're just a slave. That is why socialists favor socialized medicine.

>>514950675
>We've essentially passed the point that we could trust our government with healthcare
Government healthcare in the US isn't even from the government. Medicare and Medicaid are provided by the same private insurance companies as every other health insurance plan... The government simply pays the premiums for those plans instead of the person being covered.

Your argument is literally "private insurance is scamming the government, so I am not going to trust the government and just pay the private insurance directly"... IE: More retardation.

>>514950647

Good. I'm glad you don't pay. I advocate that you don't. My argument is that universal Healthcare is for degenerates, faggots and lazy losers. It should be completely privatized and based on your own health habits. There should be no government Healthcare.

>>514950384
>actually having to work for a living
If that's what you call being a wageslave for an elite class that is actively working towards your extermination... whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

>>514950915

The government makes it more expensive because the workers have to cover the parasites you retard. Making it universal furthers the problem.

>>514942906
Genuinely curious how much groypers think goes to Israel, one nigger gets roughly 10x the amount of money the average Israeli does, I'd prefer neither the kike nor the nigger got cash but the fixation on Israel is like complaining about pimples when you've got gangrene.

>>514943658
>poor decisions have nothing to do with healthcare
The state of the left

>>514951102
>Making it universal furthers the problem.
>adding healthy working age people and their families to the risk pool so its the entire population instead of just the abjectly impoverished, the disabled, and the elderly, will make everything more expensive

Why are you so retarded?

>>514951159
/this

>>514942835 (OP)
>mfw work for the state
>mfw pension and 100% free healthcare
Anyone who cries about healthcare costs is either a jobless bum or someone working a shit job.

US might be expensive but if you actually get bankrupted it'll only last 5 years? In Finland - "the land of such perfect free healthcare" - getting bankrupted means it'll last at least 15 years and you're basically better off if you murdered someone.
It's all relative.

>>514943769
> Embedded Germans
You mean Bio Germans?

>>514952017

All of the Europeans in here don't understand how American insurance works AT ALL. And most of the Americans in here are just liberal faggots that don't want to work and think other people should pay for their unhealthy habits.

I've been ranting in this thread, but obviously I can't detail every little fucking thing about insurance in this thread. Nor do I feel like typing that much.

If an American goes bankrupt from medical bills, 99% of the time it's from them making multiple retarded decisions in a row.

If they have a job (literally even working at McDonald's or Walmart) they have medical insurance through their employer. The medical insurance almost ALWAYS has maximum out-of-pockets for full catastrophic injury. My medical insurance is $4k maximum out-of-pocket and will literally cover a $1 million injury if needed. It's $90/mo, my company covers the other $300/mo.

If someone went bankrupt, it means they didn't even have medical insurance, or the $4k maximum was higher than their entire networth, which probably means they don't even work full-time, or they're blowing all of their money on drugs, alcohol, cigarettes and driving a $600/mo car.

The American medical system isn't even that bad if you actually have a job. It only sucks if you choose to not buy insurance, choose to have unhealthy habits, or choose to self-insure through your own buisness when you make less than $60k/yr.

>>514942835 (OP)
I would like to take some of my paycheck and allocate it to this womans health and the millions of others like her pls

The food stamps have been such a tremendous success I would like to double down

>>514943616
go ahead and make universal healthcare, do it without increasing my taxes. you'll have to stop financing other forms of welfare, shut down some of their bureaucracy but you all have galaxy brains, you can figure out what is less important and cut it out. just dont raise taxes then no problem.

>Why are Americans so afraid of a universal healthcare system?
Why should I pay for someone elses healthcare?

>>514943662
I sometimes do but I have been employed since I was 17 and I save money, I'm approaching $700,000 net worth and im 36 now with private health insurance, blue cross blue shield

>>514943107
Youre gonna be old one day anon

>>514953498
what is medicaid?

>>514949594
Fell on my fucking face on my bike a few months ago and just the 30 stitches, lidocane , and followup visits the bills are about $10k
Emptied out my HSA ive been accumulating thru work and paying off the rest which isnt much. But ive hit my deductible for the year so thinking of just going ham on Dr visits till January

>>514942835 (OP)
Why is our government so afraid to let us have a free market healthcare system?

>>514944011
Aren't Canada and Australia euthanizing people now?

>>514942835 (OP)
if america had public health care they would realize that they are actually living in a third world country
that's all I'll say

>>514943107
I don’t think you know how private insurance works.

>>514948434
>paganda for decades to see anything that's within their self interest as commie bullshit and consider anything that actively works against them as worthy to struggle against. When you tell them that basically every other white country on Earth has a better public healthcare system, they shut down and repeat the usual zog talking points. It's very sad and pathetic.
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>Anonymous (ID: 3y4hGNT1) 09/06/25(Sat)18:47:12 No.51494

I just had reconstructive surgery on a broken leg in an industrial accident. My healthcare was free. I'm born American and naturalized Japanese.

You're brainwashed. Healthcare services are not like other commodities. Demand is inelastic- that means that everyone, regardless of their personal choices, will use healthcare in their lifetime. If you aren't sick now, you will be at some point- that's a fact. Universal healthcare understands, in a very pro-capitalist way, that your dumbest, least capable neighbor needs basic medical care to contribute to the economy, work, and recover if they are injured. When everyone is covered, and universal healthcare is just another deduction on your paycheck like social security, costing becomes predictable at scale and high quality care cheap and not a life-ending financial event. If Healthcare was like an elastic commodity- like bananas, sure, we can let the free market decide what is the best brand and price point and let it work itself out. Fusing your bones back together is inelastic- this stuff happens, to everyone.

America is a shithole littered with homeless people in wheelchairs. It's common sense in all other countries and has nothing to do with "freedom". It's a tried-and-true system of pooling insurance costs and making sure people aren't becoming homeless, crippled bums because they were unlucky to have an embolism once. Even if you hate people, it's undeniable based on the outcomes in every other country that universal healthcare prevents social rot, vagrancy, and broken people.

>>514942835 (OP)
because in canada i get the bill and fuck your dead son i could have told you that

>>514955953
You're the one who doesn't know. Insurance is very much designed to leech off of young, healthy men to support the old/fat/dysgenic/female.

>>514943769
>But I have to admit, the US healthcare system is pretty clownish.
lmao considering I have health insurance through my job and not even shelling out 100 per month, I think you have no leg to stand on about "clownish" healthcare
Now go back to being a good goy as more of your politicians are assassinated

>>514958802
>not even shelling out 100 per month
This is a very silly comment. Your employer is paying for all the rest of that and it's a part of your total compensation. If you had the right to refuse it and get the money instead, you would see just how expensive it really is.

>>514955374
It's not actually free market when Jews control the entire market. Insurance companies have employees, advertising costs, buildings to pay for, etc. They exist solely to siphon money out of the "free" market, while jacking up the price of virtually everything in the medical field.
Universal healthcare sounds bad on paper (because it is), but it's the lesser of two evils when compared to Jewish institutions.

>>514959994
medicare medicaid are already the 3rd highest category of expenses in this country.
Up next is the military and then our interest payments on national debt.
You don't even understand how much it will destroy the country if we allow everyone free healthcare. Obamacare was stripped down for a reason.

>>514959994
nothing is stopping your state from creating a system to give people free doctor's visits. all the west coast and some east coast states do this.
usually state healthcare won't pay for procedures or medications but most people only need that annual check up and can pay for medications on their own. preventative care is much more affordable and works.