Thread 514948830

Everyone frames the war as a choice between Ukraine winning or Russia winning. But Putin is already trapped in a lose–lose. If he stops the war, he admits failure and humiliation. If he continues, the losses grow and the humiliation becomes even greater. In his own mind, both paths are defeat.

The only way out is a third option: we must love our enemies. That means saying to Russia, you must leave Ukraine, but we will not let you collapse. We will support you, help you rebuild, and let you find dignity without more destruction.

The real danger is not just defeat, it is humiliation. Humiliation creates resentment, and resentment breeds the next war. The third option breaks that cycle. It says Ukraine survives, and Russia does not have to die.

>>514948830 (OP)
ok, but russias feeling are not my problem.

>>514948830 (OP)
Sounds gay but you do you.

>>514948830 (OP)
So essentially we need to kill Zelensky? I’m in

>>514948830 (OP)
>utin is already trapped in a lose–lose. If h
Why? He already won.
1. he restored Empire.
2. his friends become x5-x10 rich, maybe more
3. no more western values in russia, they're banned
4. Boyarins and Holops returned, now all commoners are slaves of elite
5. Whole West and East protecting his friends and rus elite. They allowed to live everywhere.
6. Everyone helping him to live longer

>>514948830 (OP)
>e, but we will not let you collapse
dude, they become empire. They only can "collapse" if they want.
>>514948830 (OP)
>. We will support you, help you rebuild,
see 2.
His friends become much more rich. He don't care about poor people. He hates NEET.
You're always welcome to find 300/500 usd job.

>>514948949
Main problem, they also don't care about each other. For them it's a show.
They know that empire returned. That's mean with each year they will live worse, no matter there's war or no.

Empire for ru commoners is - everything getting banned, everyone live very bad except elite.

>>514949136
1. Russia is no longer a global superpower

2. Russia lost control and influence in the Middle East

3. NATO has gained more members

4. Ukraine is a rump state

5. China sees Russia as weak

6. Soviet stock politicians will be gone soon

I'm tired of America propping up Russia as a superpower. They're just Nigeria with snow.

No it should be the opposite, Russia should pay us for starting this unnecessary bs.

>>514949256
>That's mean with each year they will live worse
And your solution is to endorse putin and help rto ebuild his regime?
He'd just assume his policies are correct and go full gulag

>waaaaah there winning too slowly

where's the fire?

>>514948830 (OP)
>a choice between Ukraine winning or Russia winning
It's much more complex in reality. Pic related.

>>514948830 (OP)
>If he continues, the losses grow and the humiliation becomes even greater.
The losses grow, but they rate of losses slows down until a breaking point is achieved. Instead of humiliation, there will come a victory.

learn math, nigger.

>>514948830 (OP)
Zelensky can go to Moscow subscribe papers and all this will end tomorrow. Easy as is.

>>514948830 (OP)
>>514949608
What you are also overlooking is the meat grinder that Prigozhin* managed to install in Russia before he was killed and which has now stubbornly manifested itself through western arms deliveries and internal propaganda and is running at an accelerated pace.

*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Prigozhin

Pic related

>>514950092
>western arms deliveries
Picrel

>>514949608
>>514950092
>>514950172
Technically we are already at war between the alliance between Russia and North Korea and the collective West.

Pic semi-related

>>514950615
No lol, you not. Not yet.

>>514949895
Monke could order russian troops to return home and all this would end tomorrow. Easy as is.

>>514949895
Britain could carpet-nuke Russia and all this would end tomorrow

>>514951031
Nope. Cause it's not happen yet, only reason why, is because you can't.

>>514948830 (OP)
So what you're saying is that Russia and Ukraine should ally and take on EU?

Nobody wants peace except the White House. The Russians don't want peace, the Ukrainians don't want peace, the Europeans don't want peace, and the Chinese don't want peace. The Americans do not have the power or influence to force a peace in the face of that. The war will continue, the corpses will pile higher, until either Russia, Ukraine, or both are incapable of fighting anymore. At least another few years.

>>514948830 (OP)
yeah nah, putin can roll back to russia even today, announce he won and every single russoid will cheer about their new victory.
letting putin 'save face' is but appeasement.

>>514950892
>you
We have our unique meat grinder here, where I and my country mean just a fraction.

Related: >>514950092

Why must we leave Ukraine?
it's been russian land already 100 years ago, and the only other nation that can even lay claim to it in theory (Poland) has been compensated when our Zars bought Kiev. We even gave Poland a piece of Germany as a sign of good will after wwii

>>514948949
>ok, but russias feeling are not my problem.
who asked, Analbanian rapefugee?

>>514955252
Picrel - just for your information.

>>514952503
>putin can roll back to russia even today,
no-one asked what you want to, subhuman polakike bydlo, we can do whatever the fuck we want

>>514955252
Century of humiliation it is then

>>514955522
century of European humiliation you mean?
20 more years to go

>>514948830 (OP)
>Thinking Russia is going to give one penny for rebuilding Ukraine

They are in a fucking hurry to already go after Baltics and Poland, why the fuck would they rebuild a country that is their enemy. They want NATO to shoulder the costs instead and bankrupt themselves with doing it

>>514948830 (OP)
not in usa interests
this macabre circus will carry on until Ukraine deplete so far, Russians will overcome them with hand tied as the fight it so far
unless maybe piggies will wake up earlier and overthrow jews