Thread 514950645

can we please make this happen /pol/?

>more regulations good
We must kill all communists before they kill us.

>less regulation good
We must kill all kikes before they kill us

>>514950645 (OP)
>tax and regulate more!
As a landlord, fuck off commies

the cost is just passed onto the renters.
instead, force rental contracts to contain a clause that would allow renters to buy the home at market price minus the accumulated rent they already paid.

I'm betting investment in real estate isn't the problem and the problem are the 100 million shitskins in the country and the 50 million we bring in for IT

>>514950645 (OP)
It's a good idea. We can then earmark the money we get from it to subsidize the creation of affordable housing. What we need to primarily deregulate is NIMBY protections -- fully disenfranchise the NIMBY fags on a national level: they get no more say in what others do on property they don't own. Only good things could happen.

>>514950645 (OP)
it's not extreme enough. I don't think regular people should own 2 houses. So tax them to death on the second house. And outright forbid owning a third house.
And residential housing as investment? Forget it. Only people can own residential houses.

>>514950645 (OP)
yes, my 1 year old owns this 2 billion dollar house

>>514950645 (OP)
Property taxes are jewish

>>514950883
oi you got a liocense for that sovereignty

>>514950964
That's because you've got a series of priors which cause you to look at everything first as a racial/immigration issue instead of the logical result of an elite class which purchases its own politicians and policies. You're so mindbroken by capitalist elites that, like how in autocratic countries you're allowed to criticize anyone but Dear Leader, you literally lack the lexicon to address the real problem: elite capture of the government.

>>514951112
The elites are bringing in brown people for cheap labor and they're buying/renting all the houses in the major cities

Seems like an immigration problem

>>514950968
>fully disenfranchise the NIMBY fags on a national level: they get no more say in what others do on property they don't own. Only good things could happen.
the NIMBY thing is a forced meme and only mostly applies to companies and large real estate project developers because no one want some real estate mogul to build a fucking nigger infested commie block in their neighborhood.
NIMBY is not a threat; in fact, it protects our neighborhoods from real estate giants to fuck things up.
What we need to stop is people owning more than 1 home and literally make it illegal for companies to own residential buildings.
once you do that, watch the housing market correct itself: a lot of boomers are not going to be happy.

>>514950645 (OP)
Yes to all that also
>ban ther MERS mortgage trading system, mortgage ownership has to be recorded in their respective counties
>remove property tax income tax deduction
>remove federally funded mortgage purchasers of Fannie mae and freddie mac
>heavily punish builders that use illegal labor

>>514950883
Lol at a bong thinking he’s any kind of lord in 2025.

>>514951154
Let's follow that line, then. If there exists a broad popular sentiment against an issue (immigration here), does it make more sense to play whack-a-mole with the next results of elite capture, or does it make more sense to focus on the structural issues such that our votes actually mean something again against the vast amount of money capital can wield to overpower us? There WILL be another issue like this, for the record, and we'll be just as powerless.

>>514951173
agreed, residential property should only be allowed to be owned by named individuals, not corporations, not LLCs

>>514950645 (OP)
doesn't matter whatever you come up with because in a few decades a kike will find the right goy to remove the laws that prohibits him from taking advantage of your people
you won't win with laws

>>514951112
You’ll have earned your bullet, comrade

>>514951173
>only mostly applies to companies and large real estate project developers
What is the creation of a large development except the creation of affordable housing? Do you have a horse in the NIMBY race, or is this purely theoretical to you?

>>514950645 (OP)
missing
>no property tax for whites and triple property tax on nonwhites and jews and parachute the money directly into the accounts of whites
>using the money to fund the race war

>>514951373
Neither housing nor houses are or is affordable when it gets filled with niggers and nons

>>514951369
Wanting money out of politics is communism? Is it communist to want a return to a system in which we aren't presented with a choice between two elite-crony candidates preselected for their amenability to maintaining the status quo?

Step 1: Kill all jews
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

>>514951479
Strikes me as a pretty weak argument, honestly, and one which sets the lower classes against each other primarily so no real consensus can be reached on elite abuses because we're all so busy prosecuting petty grievances against one another. Strikes me as the exact thing which best serves entrenched power.

>>514951489
Speaking vaguely like a ball of ooze is your crime, m8. Or at least the mark of a tourist.

>>514951304
what makes sense is violence you fucking braindead policy mutt
>le government policies
you’re a weak minded faggot. kill the jews and subhumans and rebuild
>j-just voooote goyim
that’s you

>>514951304
The structural problem here is that you're defending elite open borders for brown people to lower wages and drive up property costs because you think you can fix it with pointless regulations

>>514950645 (OP)
I support this. Homes are for living in, not speculation. Xi Xinping said this and as much as I dont like chicoms he is 100% correct.

>only citizens can own
>properties currently owned by non-citizens confiscated and distributed to families and single men who do not already own any
>high taxes on property that is not primary residence + rent freeze until property is sold to someone that doesn't own any already

>>514950645 (OP)
This. Corporations should not be able to own residential houses. But what do you do when a bank forecloses on a house? Then it becomes the property of a corporation.

>>514951557
Nah. I've seen violence -- spent a couple years at war. Imagining Iraq and Afghanistan in America is a non-starter for me.
>>514951557
If that was too ambiguous, here's a set of things I believe
>money should have a harder time being translated into political power
>elites with a captured government will never relinquish control
>>they will also rule primarily in their own interests over ours
>the winners of racialist domestic conflict are elites
>>worst-case scenario, they pay off the victor demographic and are able to continue enjoying the fruits of their structural supremacy

>>514951595
I'm not defending any micro issue. I'm advocating for a structural reform which hands power back to the people. I believe that if we are able to reform the government and take power back from the elites, the solutions of the micro problems will at least be the products of a healthier system, regardless of specifics.

Not trying to get bogged down in micro issues.

>>514951373
>What is the creation of a large development except the creation of affordable housing?
houses are not affordable because land prices have inflated. It's a bubble because land is being used as an investment asset by EVERY God damn boomer.
These large projects are fucking horrible. These are the elitist pricks that lobby for illegal immigrants to work their shitty construction sites and work like slaves. And the ((( affordable houses ))) they build, are fucking shit and lead to niggerfication of otherwise nice neighborhoods.

If people are incapable of organizing the build or renovation of their own house, they should not be home owners.
Fuck these large project developers. They are fucking cancerous greedy little jews.

>>514950645 (OP)
Ban foreign property investment

Gradually introduce a 100% tax rate on landlords

The state is supposed to be the only landlord, for our benefit, with no profit seeking, to give people a start on the property ladder, or to give people who are poor for a reason access to homes they can afford to rent

The idea that shitty homes should be worth £1000 a month, ten times the landlord's mortgage, while they fuck around on holiday in other countries and contribute nothing of value to our economy, is insane

>>514950964
Nah, investment firms scooping up swathes of properties, turning them into rentals that raise rent prices so they can payout to investors, then never lower because of investor greed back by sunk cost fallacy couldn't be the issue. It's definitely a bunch of poors that can't even afford it to begin with. You're so right you retarded faggot

>>514951260
You don't know. Maybe he's a member of the house of lords. You know, the unelected members of parliament with more power than the ones chosen by the people?

>>514950990
Agreed. We can have multiple homes when homelessness is a pure choice

>>514950918
That's actually cleaver.

>>514950964
>>514951112
It's actually both: mass immigration inflates demand for real estate and demand outpacing supply makes real estate an attractive investment space for funds.

>>514951336
So shanequa can "break her ankle" and sue you. No, rentals being under LLC' s is fine. Tax s-types and holding companies more. Either way you will raise taxes discentivising massive property buy ups for minute profits.
>Blackrock wants to buy another batch of properties
>Has to create ANOTHER llc for every 2-4 rentals
>Pay accountants, fees, taxes
>Maybe.....MAYBE net 8 percent returns while maybe just building affordable housing makes way more and will likely get gubbamint subsidies to do so
>Cheap commie blocks in literal no-whereville pop up
>Whites and young professionals move there as they could only have the credit to buy (will be some jeets and spics but good credit score....meh)

>>514950645 (OP)
The most simple way would be to make the purchase of land and ground floor anything restricted to citizens liable for conscription.

If you personally are not held responsible for the defense of the land you do not get to buy it.

Simple. No need to go with over complex schemes that get lawyer jew jitsu-ed into some pretzel.

>>514951792
Yeah, but if you can simply build upwards on the existing land, it becomes much more realistic to build affordable housing. That's the whole point here -- deregulate NIMBY protections, mandate developments to have a certain ratio between condos and rentals, then let people build. There's no utopian solution here where everyone gets what they want -- we're gonna have to collectively come back to reality and make compromises. We have to triage here. Is it more important that we solve the housing emergency or let some people who are already doing well keep their views?

>>514951911
Deman has never outpaced supply in the USA, not in terms of vacancies in housing that is. Availability on the market shows willingness to sell, not homes being unused or not.

>>514950645 (OP)
>empty investment properties are taxed 100% more every 12 months they are left vacant
Without this shits will forever be fucked. Kikes can sit on empty property for DECADES.

>>514951373
get it through your head:
THERE IS NO HOUSING SHORTAGE.
But the price of land has inflated.
simple as that.
And the reason why these lobby groups keep yapping about housing shortage is because they want to keep making bucketloads of money with their greedy little practices.
The reason why they want to build affordable houses is to house all the illegal slaves they are importing.
Don't you get it???
The rich need fresh meat. White people refuse to breed and and refuse to be slaves. So what is the solution to these rich faggots? Import more slaves. But the slaves need houses.
There is no housing shortage.
This entire thing is fake and gay.
The solution is simple: make it illegal to treat land as an investment asset.
Land is human fucking right.
IT'S NOT A FUCKING CASINO.
/thread

>>514951789
>micro issue
>micro
>the US allowing illegal immigration for 100 years allowing 100 million non producing government reliant brown people that all live in the major cities and buy all the property
>openly announces recently there's 50 million non citizens in the US working that they know about which also need your houses and food
>duh... why property so expensive?

>>514950755
this proposal is for less regulation.

>>514952043
>Land is human fucking right
shut the fuck up commie

>>514952108
I see your framing but reject it. I think there's a better way to address these things at the root.
>>514952043
I'm not sure the data supports the idea that there is no housing shortage. Yes, big corporations can (and do) buy up existing housing and the nature of markets is that a handful of whales making strategic moves can really shake things up... BUT, at the same time, the data show that a really small proportion of single-family homes (e.g.) are owned by investment firms.

I'm not sure what the lobby groups angle is because it seems to me that it is in the best interest of everyone who owns land to keep housing tight -- that way, every new unit they build will benefit from the current market rather than tank the entire thing, yeah?

>>514951992
>if you can simply build upwards on the existing land
dude... this leads to fucking problems. Too many people in a crowded space leads to fucking problems. Why do you think they're pushing smart cities and why they want you live in a pod? It's unnatural and problematic for an infinite amount of reasons.
>it becomes much more realistic to build affordable housing.
nigger, building "affordable" housing is only realistic if slaves build it and if the quality of living is complete and utter SHYTE. Don't delude yourself.
These large real estate devs don't give fuck about the housing crisis. They live in mansions and drives luxury cars and they want to maintain that life style.
These affordable houses you keep yapping about are a fucking scam and it's a cancer.
Within 50 years, they'll have to tear it down because it has fully degraded. And this is by design (manufactured obsolescence).
There is no fucking housing emergency; there are enough houses. The problem is fucking price. Boomers pay nothing, the young people pay everything. But eventually the market will correct itself when boomers are too old and have to move to a care home and realize that no one can buy their houses anymore.

>>514952370
There's no other way to frame the issue, you think half your population being foreign born brown peel which are a net tax burden isn't the reason for inflation, lack of jobs and houses etc

>>514950645 (OP)
>increase property taxes for rental properties
who wants to rent a place that costs 30000$ every month

>>514950755
Sometimes I wonder if there is even one(1) boomer that understands what calling someone a r*dditor means and does it correctly.

>>514950645 (OP)
extremely anti-semitic post, be better!

>>514952534
guess what, a lot of the jewish landlords in the US are probably the descendants of illegal aliens

>>514952370
>'m not sure the data supports
The data is almost always rigged you dumb fuck. Who do you think pays the data brokers and analysts? It's the government and building federations and large companies. They have the funds to do that. And they will only allow data to be publicized that is in their own interest.
Even governments will only publish data they deem in line with their broader vision/strategy.
And do you trust your government? Do you trust these real estate moguls?
These people don't give a fuck about you lmao.
The last thing you should do is listen to them and give them power.
Do your own research and think about this logically:

In Belgium:
74% owns their own house
20% owns more than 1 house
10% of social housing IS VACANT
10% of commericial property IS VACANT
Altho there are no official numbers, I think it's reasonable to assume that 10% of regular privately owned residential housing is also VACANT.

Now think long and hard about this. And try if you can figure it out: are there really not enough houses?

LOL, LMFAO EVEN

>>514950645 (OP)
>raise property taxes on rentals
>rent goes up
>rentoids btfo
sounds good to me

>>514952436
Whether or not you think that is none of my business -- I frankly don't care. My point here is that the best way to accomplish your goals is by pursuing reform at the root instead of addressing symptoms. Again, you lack the lexicon to even address the root problem here -- that's why, when confronted with an unfamiliar idea, your only response is to dig in and defend a dependent dynamic where instead you could make it so issue Y is one you have the power to address when Y pops up next.
>>514952375
>Too many people in a crowded space leads to fucking problems.
I think you're falling for utopianism here. We have problems now, too, and eliminating the possibility of problems down the line is a quixotic goal. There is no reason to believe that any action -- including inaction -- will result in no more problems.

What helps me with the "unnatural" argument is the idea that any definition of "nature" which excludes manmade dynamics is fallacious. I define "natural" as the set of all phenomena allowed under natural law -- from the most basic protozoa to the spires of New York, all of it is permitted ergo natural.

I agree that they don't care about the housing crisis. This is why we need to make them by virtue of reshaping the legislative environment. I'd just suggest descending from the idea that there exists some solution which solves all problems while causing none.

>>514952769
How is the root of the problem regulation when the US existed just 70 years ago with low property values and no shitskins and no regulation?

>>514950645 (OP)
goys were like "hell yeah interest rates at 0% why not!" during covid and now they're confused at the consequences

>must be them investors driving them prices up!
as if speculation is a recent invention and people were not greedy a couple of decades ago
it gets even worse when you discover that "mainstream" economists tend to deny the relation between money supply and inflation

>>514952882
Want to know what the marginal tax rate was 70 years ago? North of 80% on top earners. If you want to find the mythical land of deregulation, you have to go back further to pre-WWII America... and by necessity to the conditions which caused the Great Depression.

>>514952443
Either they sell out their rental units or start making a terrible loss when nobody can afford them, which brings down housing prices. The entire market should crash - any profit made in selling higher or renting out is extorting people's basic needs to get superficially rich, as they still have to live in a wretched, poor society of their own making, having priced out their fellow men out of a livelihood and a common stake in the society around them. The same happened in Rome - after people lost all of their properties to the rich slaveowners and became rabble of the cities, Rome could no longer recruit troops to protect itself (despite having millions of citizens in one city alone, they could not defeat an army of mere thousands). Every western country is short on recruits, because everyone is disenfranchised.

If the market doesn't make the people rich, it has to crash, or everyone will.

>>514952769
>the idea that there exists some solution which solves all problems while causing none.
never made that claim
The solution is very simple: make the land more affordable to young, first time buyers. It's literally that simple. How do you do that? Pop the fucking housing bubble. By which method? Make housing as financial assets ILLEGAL.

Clean. Simple.

And of course this will create problems. No solution is ever perfect. But this one is simple and straightforward: it punishes people who are greedy. There is absolutely no need for people to own more than 1 house.

>>514952979
>taxes were higher
and nobody paid them

The US was doing better when nobody paid taxes than now with 150 million shitskins supposedly paying taxes

big huh

>>514952724
>>raise property taxes on rentals
>>rent goes up
>>rentoids btfo
>sounds good to me
rentoids will become (temp) co-owners you dumb double nigger.

>>514952035
USA has a steadily increasing population, how would the sale of existing homes even begin to address increasing demand?
>Deman has never outpaced supply in the USA
That may be true for USA in general, but it ultimately doesn't matter because for a bubble to form the demand only has to exceed supply in places where people are actually moving to, i.e. big cities. Do you believe that New York has more vacant apartments than there are people looking for vacancies?

>>514952979
you're talking about the wartime measure that sticked for a few extra years?
nobody even paid it but you probably don't understand how income taxes work

>>514950645 (OP)
That's how it should be but the jews run the system and politicians are part of the cabal. They will never tax themselves.

>>514953054
Now you're just making shit up kek.
>>514952985
I agree. I just think it's unrealistic with respect to conditions in major cities. You're not going to pop the bubble there without increasing supply or killing the ability for workers to move there without buying -- i.e. without destroying the rental market entirely, which is probably a bad idea for economic reasons (hard to get workers if they can't get low-commitment housing). Outside cities, where land is more abundant? Absolutely, let's penalize hoarding and speculation. But solutions for cities will require NIMBY-busting deregulation.

>>514953275
>xe doesn't know
The socialist talking point that we used to have a 90% income tax rate kind of doesn't matter when nobody paid it

>>514953218
Where do you think, e.g., the GI bill came from? How did we create the middle classes? We subsidized the FUCK out of it and paid for it with taxes on top earners. If you want, you could superimpose that graph on top of the share of all wealth among classes. It is almost 1 to 1: as you cut social programs and taxes on the rich, you see more wealth starting to accumulate at the top. Why? Because every program you cut is a double-dip: not only do the rich not pay for that program anymore, those people have to pay for it themselves... and who do they pay it to? The people on top -- those who are no longer paying for the services.

>>514950645 (OP)
>increase tax on rental properties
>WHY DID MY RENT GO UP THOSE GREEDY JEWS!!!
fucking retard

making housing more affordable is extremely easy but somehow 95% of the population gets filtered by this easy 70 iq question and will try anything except actually fix the problem

>>514952985
>The solution is very simple: make the land more affordable to young, first time buyers. It's literally that simple. How do you do that? Pop the fucking housing bubble
there's no bubble

>>514953402
>GI bill socialist talking point
houses used to be as expensive as a modern 2015 kia optima

Your communist handlers are lying to you

>>514953331
>nobody paid it
This is just not true. The old ex silentio argument incoming: if not taxes, where did the money come from? How did we run a budget surplus and pay for all these incredibly expensive programs? There is literally nowhere else the money could have come from.

>>514950645 (OP)
How do we make it happen
Theres nothing we can do

>>514953331
income tax should never be more than 10% for anybody. Politicians increasing the percentage to make more money is nothing more than racketeering. Anything more is opt-in. They can make special services for those that want to pay more tax.

>>514953521
Okay, so we've pivoted from arguments to... whatever that was, which definitely isn't an argument kek. Just noting the pivot.

>>514953275
>But solutions for cities will require NIMBY-busting deregulation
Do NIMBY's even ahve power in cities? In my experience the local government does whatever the fuck it wants in close collaboration of course with large project developers. They're probably close friends, you see.

Anyway, I've lost faith in urban densification. I think it's a forced meme and it leads to too many problems. People in cities are fucking miserable lmao. Not just miserable but bat shit fucking insane even.

>>514953447
ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD?
>there's no housing bubble
>shows a graph of housing prices vs money supply

Go get the graph of housing prices vs income. And compare to 100 years ago.

You absolute fucking buffoon. Leave my board now.

>>514953602
You are aware most of the money for the war was printed right

>>514950645 (OP)
Boomers and jews won't let this happen

>>514950645 (OP)
Im sure the president who became a billionaire off his real estate empire will be all for that.

>>514953681
>Do NIMBY's even ahve power in cities?
In America, absolutely. Our cities are incredibly corrupt on small scales. The dynamic where the rich can buy their national policies and politicians? Barriers to entry there are higher but still workable. At local levels, you can buy a pet politician for a $100k campaign run on local TV. And even if a local anti-NIMBY does win (not unheard-of), obstruction is such that they have absolutely no chance of accomplishing anything. I don't know how it works in Europe, but our city politics here is incredibly toxic and corrupt on a fundamental level.

>>514953681
that emotional response is exactly why the situation is hopeless beyond belief

>Go get the graph of housing prices vs income. And compare to 100 years ago.
it doesn't matter how it "feels" to your wallet compared to how it was in the past; the mechanisms for prices to organically remain at those levels are already there and they aren't going away
the idea of prices existing naturally at "100 years ago" levels and you are only 1 law away from this utopia (ban investment) is pure fantasy

>>514953864
man institutional corruption sure is a problem, better import a bunch of jews and italians and irish

>>514950645 (OP)
In the US the Constitution creates 'Eminent Domain' which precludes the granting of 'Allodial Title' which cannot be taxed or confiscated .

This leaves each State with some legislative acts by which the people may prohibit municipalities within the state and the state itself from taxing primary personal residences for any purposes.

As I type this a small town has placed a lien on my home for around $3,000 in unpaid property taxes which if not paid within 20 remaining months will be seized.
I rise to support the motion to pass legislation forbidding the state and any constituted municipality within it to levy taxes on primary residences owned outright. This qualification cuts out banks who hold mortgages on homes though the homes be a primary residence of a person.. The remedy for this is the mortgage holder is subject to the tax on the property.

>>514953696
You can't brrrr your way into a balanced budget. We're not talking about the war -- we're talking about the postwar success. We might have gotten INTO debt with war bonds, but we got OUT of war bonds with taxes and subsidies.

>>514954005
The US didn't have a balanced budget until after WWII, 2/3 of money for WWII was printed, it wasn't taxed. The US can not survive a high tax environment and would immediately collapse with all the useless eaters it has

if the US wasn't the world reserve currency we would have already balkanized/killed all the mexicans by now

>>514950645 (OP)
Hey OP. You notice how you proposed something very reasonable that would cut taxes for the average person, help them attain homeownership and put corporations and parasites in check and there was a huge backlash on that suggestion from the pol user base?

Why is that? Why are people who claim to be against taxes and for helping average white citizens for some reason so opposed to this? Why does it seem like they care more about corporate profits than helping regular people?

You might want to ask yourself if the "people" who post here might have their own hidden agenda that they push.

>>514953447
>rich got 100x richer
>poor got 100x poorer
>look everyone, no bubble since money and price is the same!
I can't with these retards man.

>buy 10 houses
>transfer ownership to 10 different relatives in Israel
>pay 0 tax
hehehe nothing personnel kid

>>514953864
>corruption
yeah but what does this have to do with NIMBY?
NIMBY are home owners who try to stop the enshittification of their neighborhood.

increasing density of population is almost always a bad idea and will lead to problems down the line. People aren't meant to live like this.

>>514954230
>government and citizens are incapable of observing if someone is actually living in a residence or not

>>514954090
>The US can not survive a high tax environment
But we DID survive a high tax environment. The entire myth of the middle class was directly created under a high tax regimen. You're arguing a point which is demonstrably false.

>>514954353
did your socialist handlers tell you how a 90% income tax and the GI bill apparently created the entire US?

>>514954282
How else do you explain it? Rich people who don't want the housing crisis solved in their back yard obstruct policies which the poor support on account of personal desires and the ability to use supra-democratic methods to cause local officials to continually write legislation which protects their selfish desires. I call that corruption, personally -- a quid pro quo in favor of those who can afford the "quid" part.

>>514954340
They aren't. Otherwise they would've stopped it already.

>>514954110
>muh Police
>muh schools
>muh fire fighters

when have any of these actually benefitted you?

Only time the police spoke to me in this town they came to my door after some one called them falsy accusing me of driving impaired when I tried to signal them to get up to the 60 MPH speed limit from the 30 they were driving which was creating an extensive backup on a bi-directional state highway.
The public schools which takes most of the property tax includes Trans sensitivity indoctrination.
and the only time the fire department interacted with me was when this condo's fire alarm systems were malfunctioning a number of times in the same day and I opened my door to tell the jake I was there and he told me I was supposed to exit the building. I said yah and shut my door.

>>514954435
There it goes! We're back in the "not an argument" territory again kek

>>514953885
>the idea of prices existing naturally at "100 years ago" levels and you are only 1 law away from this utopia (ban investment) is pure fantasy
No it's not. If you would've done deep thinking on this you would understand why there is a bubble. There is a reason why there is an ongoing argument today all around the world:
>are house prices inflated? Or is there a housing shortage?

And the media wants you to believe it's the latter. Ergo: it's the former. But that's not my actual argument; it just supports it.

My argument for the bubble you can read in my previous posts.

I find it funny how you suddenly feel a little intimidated by the ideas discussed ITT. You must be jewish or at the very least a remarkably greedy individual.

>>514954123
it doesn't matter
it doesn't have to be fair, to feel good or to result in anyone's satisfaction
housing, like food, is an inelastic need which means that people will eagerly pay a larger percentage of their check on it because their survival depends on it
you feeling "bad" about it doesn't reduce the sustainability of the situation

>poor got 100x poorer
the poor chose to become "100x poorer" and celebrated all the way to that point as they were actively supporting the populist policies that got them there, just like half this thread

>>514950645 (OP)
Why would rich people, who have all the power, let poor people, who have no power, make the rules?

>>514954498
I'm asking you to defend your talking points, but I am being disingenuous because no socialist has ever been able to prove anything about income tax brackets or mortgages for vets

>>514951304
Voting itself is the problem. People have almost zero day in what actually ends up happening. No matter who they vote for the things that they want still don't happen.
More immigration happens no matter what more debt and inflation no matter what more wars no matter what more stealing for grift etc etc etc.
You can vote for someone who says he is like you but if he lies then you have zero real recourse, and no just trying the same thing again isn't useful as there is no reason not to lie again.
I don't have any representation at all in government yet I have to pay the majority of my productive action towards things I do not want.

>>514954524
>the poor chose to become "100x poorer"
Not really. Given a choice being paid a livable wage and not enough to survive, do you think they'd choose the latter? This whole myth of the parity of choice has been addressed for decades now -- elites prune and curate the set of choices to those which only benefit them and then point at this coerced "choice" as evidence of agency. In reality, it's a series of choices we make for them and set them up for failure on a structural level.

>>514950755
Land reform is not inherently communist. Every adult male citizen should have a right to own a plot of land as his own. Every iteration of Western Civilization entered its Golden Age when the majority of adult male citizens owned their own plot of land, and every Golden Age has ended due to land consolidation in the hands of the rich.
Communism? No, under communism you own nothing. But Land Reform? Yes.

>>514954712
land reform is communist when there's no communal land to divvy up

What we need is a progressive tax that goes beyond the middle class.
If you earn more than 200k, anything past that is taxed 100%. You don't need more than that to live comfortably each year.

>>514954465
>Rich people who don't want the housing crisis solved in their back yard obstruct policies which the poor support
they're not necessarily rich people. they're boomers. They seem rich, but they're not really.

The people who develop these high density buildings are the rich. And they invest constantly in trying to convince goverments and leftards and even rightoids that high density, low cost, affordable housing is the key to fixing the housing crisis. Because it's in their interest.

But there is no housing shortage. There is a bubble. LOLOLOL.

When 30% of the entire real estate inventory in a country is vacant, you're not gonna convince me there is a housing shortage lmfao.

Boomers would rather own a vacant house without even bothering to renovate it because it's better than losing your money on the stock market. That's the simple truth. That and hedge funds that own residential housing and drive prices up. As well as large developers building luxury apartments in cities to drive prices up as well. Happens in the UK a lot for example.

>>514950918
Bump for a good idea

>>514950883
>>514950755
>Remove property tax from people living in their house
>Increase property tax for jews trying to buy all the houses
>for some strange reason two anons are buzzword butthurt

>>514954608
The way discussions normally work, we trade off raising and answering each other's points. Can you understand why I wouldn't feel very motivated to continue talking with you when you try to pivot to a new topic without so much as acknowledging the one I just made? It makes you seem like you're, as you say, being disingenuous.
>>514954859
Maybe your problem here is looking at metrics that are too broad. In Cookietown, Alabama I'm sure there's tons of unused housing... it's just that you can't move people to Cookietown. It's not really enough to just own a house in the abstract -- you also need to have a place to work. Maybe that's the disconnect here?

>>514954777
no, land reform is communism when land is retained by the state. It is not communism when it is broken up and PRIVATELY OWNED by citizens. Private land ownership is anathema to communism.

>>514954791
>I HAVE to get an apartment in a major city
why? why would you willingly rent

This entire market would collapse overnight if retards stopped thinking it was okay to pay money for something you don't own

>>514954859
correction: not 30% is vacant, but between 10 and 20%

>>514951304
>or does it make more sense to focus on the structural issues such that our votes actually mean something again against the vast amount of money capital can wield to overpower us?
That's exactly what National Socialism aims to do, and does in fact do. You can claim that immigration is a "micro issue" and try to dance around it, but this is a two pronged pincer grip strangling this country. The other side of it is monetary policy, inflation.

Unfettered mass immigration suppresses wages. Inflation makes the wages worthless. Jewish NGOs and academics pressure politicians into kowtowing for them with thinly veiled threats.

Our votes "meaning something again" is an impossibility in the current system. Our government has been re-worked specifically since 1945 to prevent us from veering away from this Titanic-iceberg scenario. The private institutions that exist to corral public policy are more powerful than any of the elected officials, even the president.

>>514954993
It's definitely communism when you take land from private owners and then give it to other people

>>514954703
I agree, in a sense. Our votes mean little when the candidates surfaced by moneyed elites are those they've preselected for their willingness to be elite-first, for the most part. I guess where we diverge is that I believe in democracy (in most of its permutations) and think one citizen should have the same fundamental suffrage as any other citizen, unamplified by economic success. It's a utopian vision, sure, but I'm willing to let reality infringe on it to some extent. What I'm not willing to do is abandon representative government. I don't think you should, either, but I'm realistic about my inability to convince you otherwise.

>>514955259
People would agree with commies if they weren't so stupid and historically illiterate

>>514954978
>Maybe that's the disconnect here?
more and more people with high degrees are realizing they're not gonna get a job on the level of their degree. These people are forced to do different kinds of jobs, often with a low wage as well. And their wage isn't enough to cover house prices that are inflated beyond all reason.
No matter where you go; land is overvalued everywhere. Even in shitty neighborhoods.

>>514950645 (OP)
This would be terrible for the market!

>>514955157
>eminent domain is communism

>>514955113
>Our votes "meaning something again" is an impossibility in the current system.
I disagree. I think there are a set of simple actions we could take literally tomorrow to substantively empower the people over capital:
>legislate a revocation of Citizens United v FEC
>nationalize political parties; they are supra-democratic organizations which pull an end run on our system to facilitate collaboration between branches that's ultimately toxic
>pack the House -- we are at ~800k people per representative, we should be closer to 150k
These are simple solutions we could all be agitating for instead of doomering. The fact that they're unrealistic in our POLITICAL environment means nothing to me, for the record. Reform is always unthinkable to entrenched power, and power does its best to make it unthinkable to you, too.

>>514954978
>It's not really enough to just own a house in the abstract -- you also need to have a place to work.
It's quite funny that you make this point, because right now, it's not just that it's not enough to own a house. The very concept, the idea of owning a house is an impossibility now for a vast number of Americans. Even homes that Americans already own are being siphoned away through exorbitant, predatory mortgages. Even my own family went from owning a big house, a downtown condo, to losing everything to foreclosure, getting rent-hiked and evicted, and finally moving in with the grandparents to discover that they'd been conned into a reverse mortgage, so we're going to lose the very last home our family owns, too.

You talk about structural issues, but the real issue here is that these people making these policies, brazenly robbing Americans of their livelihoods through exorbitant interest rates and stingy lending, while offering interest-free Heter Iskas to jews, need to fear public reprisal again. They need to be made afraid of what will happen to them. No reform will happen through traditional voting measures. Even today, only three congressmen out of a couple hundred have ever said "no" to the Israel lobby. Three of them. And they're all going to get out-spent in their re-election campaigns coming up for daring to oppose this machine.

>>514955465
>the only people that ever complained about eminent domain were browns living in piss soaked concrete hovels, illegal mexicans and injuns
context is key

>>514950645 (OP)
Yes. This needs to happen. Have local sales tax instead.

>>514950755
Usury is criminal, a crime against humanity.
(((You))) aren't human, which is why you invented it, and demand its use.
Pogroms, that's what's needed, it's the only thing you understand.
#110 will be the physical plane of existence, your math, not ours.

>>514955566
>They need to be made afraid of what will happen to them. No reform will happen through traditional voting measures.
Again, I disagree. What we're fighting for should not be revenge but a genuinely better system. Revolution is cathartic but almost exclusively surfaces as leaders those most willing to dominate others and commit violence. If you take a step back, you might realize that what's getting us down is... dominance backed by the spectre of state violence. As such, revolution makes no sense to me personally.

>>514950645 (OP)
>can we please make this happen /pol/?

This is retarded.

Who gets the tax? Just make it illegal to own more than one home, eliminating all property taxes.

>>514950645 (OP)
government: why not all 3 ?

>>514952685
Just gotta say those are impressive stats for your nation and I hope your analysis is correct. It seems easier to fix than there being a real shortage.

>>514950755
Remember that behind every nazi flag there's an israeli

>>514955328
I don't know, that seems like kind of a separate issue to me. It seems like all the data support the idea that there is, in fact, a housing shortage. That it's localized against what could be a nation-level surplus doesn't change the fact that in most places where people find it economically viable to live there is insufficient housing.

>>514955975
>every time the US deletes regulations the economy takes off
What they wont tell you is the reason our factories went out of business is because dems put regulations on them to bankrupt them to reduce smog

>>514955840
2 homes is reasonable though. One in the city, one in the country.

>>514955523
>CU vs. FEC
I'm fine with revoking this, but it should go even further. The most important thing by far is excising jewish influence from our government. Even getting them to register as foreign agents under FARA would be a fantastic step forward. At this point, they're able to hide their names and funding influence. Every letter a Congressman gets from a lobbying group should be immediately made public and published online. SuperPACs need to be abolished and their funding seized & redistributed to Americans in the form of relief checks. All members of every public advocacy group that speaks to a congressman needs public profiles showing every contact made.
>nationalize political parties
See above regarding PACs. In general I advocate for ultimate transparency for elected officials. They shouldn't be able to take a shit without the public seeing it. Their lives need to be a glass fishbowl, constantly peered into. Every person they meet with, every policy decision, every letter. Expectation of privacy? Boohoo, go work for a tax firm.
>Pack the House
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, more elected officials means more politicians who may have the slimmest chance of doing good by the people. A House with 400 more congressmen has a chance of having another Thomas Massie, which is great. But it's useless without the above mentioned privacy reforms. You'd just be creating 400 more jobs for AIPAC handlers to continue operating without oversight.

>>514956025
A deregulated economy is financial capitalism.

>>514950645 (OP)
It should be illegal to use housing as "investments."
"Investing" is parasitic, unnatural thievery.

And no one should have a mansion and second/third homes elsewhere.

>>514954978
I met 3 architects the other day. 2 of them are no longer architects because they can't find a job and even if they did get a job, the pay is horrible. Like truly insane. Meanwhile, being an architect today is probably one of the most difficult and most stressful jobs today you can imagine.
I'm a journeyman and I make more than an architect my age.
People with computer science degrees can't get jobs in their field anymore either. Everyone got these high degrees for stupid ass desk jobs. Everyone is overqualified.
And at the same time, even if you are willing to swallow that pill and do a job that is beneath your diploma, your wage isn't enough to even buy a starter home.
>>514956013
>It seems like all the data support the idea that there is, in fact, a housing shortage.
nigger, really? What did I tell you about the data? It's rigged. In favor of more low cost illegal slave labor to build more houses and keep the rich rich.
It's not a shortage. The white population isn't even growing anymore lmfao. It's not a fucking shortage. My God you sound like vaxxie. Are you vaccinated?

>>514956186
there's no such thing as capitalism, there's just how much the government is involved in the economy

>>514950645 (OP)
It should be illegal to rent houses at all. If you want to rent, it should be a condo/apartment/trailer/etc... Get rid of timeshare also

>>514950645 (OP)
Tax is theft, fuck off

>>514956118
See how it's possible to agree on something? I strongly disagree with your stance on white nationalism and would use this new system to work against that ideology. It's just what I believe on a level we're never going to be able to reconcile -- and it goes both directions. Crucially, however, this is exactly the sort of disagreement that's supposed to be prosecuted by way of a healthy, vigorous political system. We shouldn't be talking about usurping parties (Marxists and democrats; wignats and Republicans) but be allowed to negotiate our personal utopias through this system our forefathers set up which WE CAN STILL SAVE... but only by zeroing in on reform.

>>514956117
>2 homes is reasonable though. One in the city, one in the country.
Hard disagree. Make a choice, faggot. You can't live two lives. And you cityfag shouldn't pollute nature needlessly with your vacation home.
Either move to the countryside and make your living there or FUCK OFF.

Where I live - Real Estate Taxes valuations & (((Bonds))) are set to real-estate valuations, and are used to fund Nigger&Jew schools.

No Real-Estate Taxes = No Niggers&Jews!

I'm reporting you Faggots to ZOG!

>>514955750
In my view, no matter what, a change as great as would be needed to make a difference here is, de facto or de jure a revolution. The system is so thoroughly jewish that it will resist to the last man if an organized, motivated group attempts to reform it.

The issue comes with the backlash. Jews have proven time and time again that they're willing to assassinate whoever, whenever they want, even a sitting president. If there's one thing they're good at, it's recognizing when policy decisions are bad for them, and responding with ultimate overkill to defeat "Amalek", no matter how many people they have to trample.

"Dominance backed by the spectre of state violence" is a really curious way to put it. The problem is not state violence, it's private violence. All these jewish organizations and power centers exist separate from the government, they're merely latched onto it like a parasite. A rigorous rule change that excises their influence and power would immediately bring extreme reprisals.

>>514950645 (OP)
Tax jew wealth at 100%.

>>514956657
Hmm jews should be... rounded up.. into ethnic ghettos so to say... then deported to camps... yes..... and in these camps they will be forced to work!

>>514956504
Where you see Jews, I see a capitalist super-class cohesive of all elites with vested interest in maintaining it -- white, black, jew, and gentile alike. I see very little evidence for a kind of "benevolence of whites," and can point to 2,000 years of aristocratic oppression of mono-cultural, ethnically homogeneous as evidence that power is power; that human nature is human nature. Like I said, we're going to disagree on this, but the fact that YOU AND I ALIKE have no way to prosecute our differences in a legitimate, political sphere is evidence that whoever we believe has done the capturing, a capture has occurred.

Citizens United, nationalized political parties, and a packed House. You and I alike benefit from this. The problem, regardless of whether it's racial or class-based, can ONLY be addressed structurally. Regardless of the illness the only cure is structural.

>>514956807
>all I see are rich psychopaths that are trying to fuck me
>we should give more power to rich psychopaths to stop this

>>514956362
>I strongly disagree with your stance on white nationalism and would use this new system to work against that ideology.
Just curious, why? Do you have some personal skin in the game? Jewish, perhaps? Not that it particularly bothers me to debate with jews, but it's hard for me to imagine why someone would have a problem with "white nationalism", considering the country was explicitly for free, white men up until the cart fell off the tracks in the 1960s (it was derailing for about 100 years before, though).

I'll also say that while I am a doomer as to reforming the system, as it's my opinion that the sheer stranglehold jews have on our country is unassailable without direct action, I would be happy if the very basic bones of the system remain in place. I like my country. The problem is that those in charge have become so completely coopted, the system twisted so, that a path to reform it is a fucking minefield.

I don't see a world where a single politician can rise to power and fix it. That's why everyone voted for Trump the first time, the illusion that someone could do something about this. I tend to think in more pragmatic terms, and the German method of usurping all the parties, sweeping them from the board, forcefully ousting jewish and foreign influence, completely remaking the currency policies by tying them to the value of labor, and initiating grand public works is the best game plan moving forward.

>>514956025
Nixon created the EPA (while kicking and screaming) because US lakes and rivers were literally on fire from capitalists dumbing toxic byproducts into them.
the cities of the US was india-tier, it needed to be done. the fact that capitalists offshored factories to countries with slave labor after white US union leaders forced them to give them weekends, benefits etc that didn't even come close to what peasants had during feudal europe.

stop sucking the cock of random 1% jews that are the reason your town disappeared

>>514956979
>Nixon created the EPA
A very common communist damage control talking point, nixon was president when the communists passed legislation to destroy US industry to reduce smog, yes. The communists like to blame nixon to keep people off their scent

>>514956807
>Where you see Jews, I see a capitalist super-class cohesive of all elites with vested interest in maintaining it -- white, black, jew, and gentile alike
It occurs to me that when we talk about jews, that part there is kind of unspoken and understood implicitly. It's questionable who actually does more damage, the jews themselves or their willing accomplices. It's like putting the cart before the horse; the entire carriage needs to be drone striked into a smoldering crater.

When I say "eradicate jewish influence", I mean a complete and total reversal of jewish thinking, power, and money. If a politician willingly accepts money from AIPAC, they're ousted for good. If a staffer claims to be merely an employee, but is actually an Israeli citizen working on behalf of the Israeli government, jail time. Eradicating their influence, driving them out as the Germans did, is cutting down the root of the poisonous tree.

>I see very little evidence for a kind of "benevolence of whites," and can point to 2,000 years of aristocratic oppression of mono-cultural, ethnically homogeneous as evidence that power is power; that human nature is human nature.

Within those 2,000 years is the niggling, worming influence of judaism, and Christianity's extreme counter response to it, until Christianity itself was coopted in the 1800s, and then international finance, then governments. You can try and reduce this all down to a "we're all just humans, man!", but I frankly despise reductionism. We know who the people causing the problems are. We know their names. Those who we don't, we will find, and we'll find their friends.

Judaism itself exists as a perpetual war against the world. The world is Amalek, their eternal enemy, and they won't rest until each of them has 3,000 slaves when their "messiah" arrives. In my opinion, the world will be an infinitely better place once they are all subjugated and cordoned off on an island with a military blockade surrounding it.

>>514950645 (OP)
Explain to me how you determine a primary resident. What happens if some rich property mogul just hides his secondary properties by putting the deed in the name of family members? Or fake/dead people?
What do you do about foreign investment companies sending employees disguised as """family"""" to serve as the primary resident?

How do you in practice enforce or police this kind of regulation such that you're not shaking down ordinary families for rent papers while still catching all the shitters trying to defraud it? What do you do if all those firms say "fuck it," dump your real estate and crash the market? How will honest people afford retirement if 30+ years of equity is eradicated? How will new homes get built if building homes stops being profitable?

Politics isn't about picking and choosing morality and values. Literally everyone can agree people need to live in houses, and people need to be able to afford houses in order to live in them. Politics is about the HOW. It's about developing and enacting actionable policy. "If I was in charge I'd change taxes!" is fucking brainless.

>>514956862
>Just curious, why?
Because of what I wrote above, and because I've seen white nationalism take root and sprout from its first seeds back when we courted stormfags by virtue of shitposting. I think racial/religious ingroup preference is insufficient to explain current power dynamics. Even with my Marxist sympathies, I believe that even class is a byproduct of human nature -- it's just the most astute possible framework from which you can understand power dynamics in the modern world.

If you haven't noticed, I'm not taking a moral register. I frankly don't care if white nationalism is immoral -- I care primarily that it is an incorrect framing which is too easily co-opted by slick elites glad to use zealotry and animus to consolidate power. The Jew in white nationalism is a conceit and a whipping-boy -- he allows white nationalism to kick the can down the road and pretend that if only we can get the right ingroup in power, all structural problems will be solved. Looking back on the myriad monocultures across history which were exploitative and evil (I'm not wholly immoral, mea culpa) and structurally analogous to the current system, which amounts to an equality of exploitation where previously serfs were homogeneous by ethnicity.


I just think you don't need Jews to explain history or the future. And if you don't need something within a model, you're polluting it and introducing error.

>>514957440
you don't even know the source of institutional corruption or how it works so why are you writing paragraphs about it

>>514950645 (OP)
A lot of unfair laws are because doing something about it will ruin some rich guys passive income.

>>514953447
Just remove zoning restrictions, its all supply and demand.

>>514957805
it that why brand new million dollar houses are made out of broken trusses and mexican dreams

>>514957440
>I just think you don't need Jews to explain history or the future
I suppose you don't need rails to understand trains, or propellers to understand planes, too. I'd argue that by not taking all factors into account, especially the toxic influence of judaism on humanity for 2,000 years, it's you that's polluting your model and introducing error.

The jew is not a scapegoat or a whipping-boy. The jew is a very real, culpable actor that has bent the influence of nation-building for 2,000 years. An America today without jews would be a completely different, and I dare say happier world.
>he allows white nationalism to kick the can down the road and pretend that if only we can get the right ingroup in power, all structural problems will be solved.
Like most socialists I encounter, you ascribe way too much value to the identities of those involved rather than their ideologies, and use that as some kind of gotcha. The issue is not the ingroups. The issue is the ideology. Judaism is toxic and objectively evil. It could be called Mammonism, or Christianity, or Clownism, it literally doesn't matter. The distinction here is putting an "ingroup" in power that is explicitly opposed to judaism, reforming the system, and then moving on. You can try and reduce the argument again and imply that this just gains precedent for another group to move in and usurp power, but that's not realistic thinking.
>I just think you don't need Jews to explain history or the future
If you don't understand the role of jews in history or the future, you are doomed to be forever coopted by them until their magical hellscape promised to them 3,000 years ago arrives. These are people who do not operate on moral or spiritual terms, they are by their very nature the exploitative scum that socialists claim to oppose. Carrying water for them even slightly should be something to be deeply ashamed of.

>>514950645 (OP)
>Hey jewish overlords please tax yourselves more

>>514950918
If you've paid like half the value of your home in renting id say you should qualify.

>>514957440
I would even consider myself much more mild mannered than a lot of national socialists on this board. If we had a national socialist uprising and accomplished the goals I laid out in this thread, but didn't institute racial hygiene laws or deport the nonwhites already here, I would be happy with it. Of course, stricter measures in law would be put in place to curb their net negative influence, but at the end of the day we're dealing with a country of more than 300 million people. Some concessions have to be made for humanity's sake.

The one concession that cannot be made is allowing jewish influence even a minutiae of opportunity to return. It must be made explicit in the Constitution that judaism itself is treason, and anathema to the image the Founding Fathers had in building this country. Reforms targeted against judaism will have the exact desired effect that you are asking for - bringing power back to the citizenry, easing the economic burdens on regular folk, deflating the currency and bringing purchasing power back, and easing the housing burden. The flailing and seething of jewish billionaires and their accomplices will be unbelievable. They may even foment a nuclear war to stop it from happening.

>>514950755
You didn't even read the post did you? He's arguing for less regulations on single family homes and for secondary and Vatican homes to be taxed at a rate to compensate.

>>514958030
>the exploitative scum that socialists claim to oppose
Even if so, the fact that there exist more people (a whole lot more, actually) who are exploitative scum makes the entire frame, at best, an arbitrary subset of all scum. By definition, antisemitism is antisemitic -- it does not address the levers anyone pulls in order to DO THE EXPLOITATION. Again, I frankly don't care about the JC. My point is that even if it exists, the cure is structural.

Rails, trains, propellers, planes -- all of these are explicit, internal factors within a knowable system. The Jew functions as an external actor to a system and an impetus to go after the actor rather than fix the system.

I prefer to focus on solutions such that, you know, just in case you're wrong and it's not just jews who have the "exploitation gene" or meme or rated... we're still safe from systemic abuse by another overclass which takes the reins. After all, it's a big gambit, right? The idea that if you can just get rid of 35% of elites, the remaining 65% will for some reason... no longer manipulate the structural levers of power to just keep doing the same thing they've been doing. It strikes me as a gambit, and again, one for which there's startlingly little historical evidence if you deal primarily in metastructural power -- its shapes and forms dx history -- alone.

Again, we're not going to convince each other here.

>>514950755
>>514950883
can you not read? that's very sad

>taxes
>taxes
>tax our way into prosperity
>tax this and that
>if we use taxes as a weapon to dissuade things, that will solve all of our problems!!!
I'm all for getting rid of taxes for primary residences, but increasing property taxes isn't going to solve our problem.
And there's always the underlying issue of me not wanting the government to have more money.

>>514950645 (OP)
>attack the symptom
This won't work. Increasing taxes on rentals will only make rent more expensive. Which, in turn, will force housing prices up.

In the meantime, negative interest rates and immigration will continue driving rental properties upwards. And negative rates/immigration will never stop so long as the government runs a deficit.

>>514950645 (OP)
Landlords just gamble on real estate using your wages. It’s no different from using leverage on the stock market but YOU are paying for their longs/calls.

>>514956389
I disagree. Freedom amd equality need to be balanced. Owning 2 homes is ok, i do oppose free market capitalism though.

>>514956285
I am a statist. The state is the highest creation of man. If i wanted to create a materialist religion, i would create statism.

>>514958659
>Rails, trains, propellers, planes -- all of these are explicit, internal factors within a knowable system. The Jew functions as an external actor to a system and an impetus to go after the actor rather than fix the system.
I suppose this is the ideological split between us that’s insurmountable. To me, the system IS knowable. The influence of judaism is quantifiable, measurable, and can be expressed in degrees of separation from jews themselves. Going after the jews IS fixing the system. If you can’t recognize this, I think you need to do a real deep dive into who they are, what they think, and how they operate. In terms of opposition to a true socialist system, or in my ideal case, a national socialist system, there is no greater enemy than jews. To view jews as separate from this system of influence is just not realistic, they’re here and they’re doing (jewing) things.

For the “in case we’re wrong” problem, well, the first issue is that we’re not wrong. But secondly, a national socialist culture rewards those who cooperate with good intentions and harshly punishes those who would try and exploit the system. That’s the genius of national socialism, and that’s why it worked so fantastically for Germany until they were dragged into war. Those structural levers of power that are used today to exploit the poor were demolished in Germany. The phrase “12 years not a slave” rings true in their case.

>>514959746
I disagree with nazis that the problem is completely jewish. Atheists, muslims and christians will seek to enslave people through finance too.

>>514959645
>Owning 2 homes is ok
you only think about yourself. A house is an incredibly resource and energy intensive thing to have. Having not just one but two of them is incredibly selfish.
Because you and 20% of others own more than 1 home, a lot of people are priced out of the market.
>i do oppose free market capitalism though.
if you would, then you wouldn't buy the second home. Stupid cunt.

>>514959988
This is the issue with definitions that plagues this movement, unfortunately. Perhaps a better term is loxism, or Mammonism. This implication (that ousting the jews is not just ousting the jews, but their influence, their lackies, their very ideology) was kind of taken for granted in Germany as a "well, of course".

Only ousting the jews won't solve the problem. Enacting a power structure that explicitly erases their very ideas and influence will. It's my opinion that atheists and Christians won't be able to pull off a worldwide scheme on the scale that jews have, even if jews vanished tomorrow. Christians at least have the implicit understanding that they're supposed to do good deeds, and atheists are too fracturous to organize. Muslims, on the other hand, do have a vested interest in establishing their world caliphate, but it's my opinion that if jews were broken as a power, they would settle down somewhat. In any case, Muslims are significantly easier to spot and more "honest" in their intentions - I pick that word very carefully, because their motivations are not honest, but the result of their ideology is monolithic and easily countered.

In any case, the rest of the religions will be much more easy to deal with once jews are off the table.

>>514958659
>It strikes me as a gambit, and again, one for which there's startlingly little historical evidence if you deal primarily in metastructural power
Well, given your reductionist mindset, of course you think that. The issue is that this crystallization of jewish power we're dealing with has only really kicked off in the last 100 or so years. Throughout the middle ages, they were repeatedly ousted from country after country, and by population they were comparatively very small. It's only by subverting England through Churchill that they were able to steal Palestine and establish their nation state through terrorism. Every nation that tried to oppose them was dismantled, from the Russian aristocracy all the way to the present day.

The only true opposition to jewish power, at the state level, came during the 20th century, of course the flagship being NSDAP. I'll share with you a short excerpt from one of Hitler's early speeches, one which I think informs my ideology the most above all else.

>>514960282
Why do you think i have 2 homes? I'm basically a kenyan. Look at my flag.

Will never happen. Here teachers want to get rid of a filthy shitskin jew who returned from US which as minister of jewdification want to introduce history of jews in HS curicculum apart freezing salaries in a high inflation environment and they are threatened with being fired. One guy show the manual on TV and was shut down in seconds.

When you will understand, you cannot talk fleas to leave a dog?

>>514951154
Yep, and they socialize the subsidizing cost of bringing them in and giving them enough money to pay for food and housing via the taxpayers they fleece, then they privatize and keep all the profits generated from their mass-imported third world labor force which your tax money pays to support.

>>514951815
(((They))) have zero incentive to change this system. It isn't a flaw, it's performing precisely as intended and designed to. Fleecing the goyim for rent and tax money like the tax farm cattle that all non-jews are in their eyes, make home ownership extremely difficult to the point of being inaccessible for the majority which greatly helps crater birth rates of the natives in the West, and they also control the money printers of every single country in the EU, commonwealth, and US, all to continually provide endless liquidity to their (((banks))) who then lend it out at high rates to the goyim and little to no interest rates to their own and using it to speculate on various markets that they control and manipulate to reap massive profits, as well as using it to continue buying up every asset and industry and playing endless shell games by divvying up all of that stolen wealth between countless companies/trusts and the (((families))) and their countless branches that run them. End result, slavery that never ends until social change where the people rebuke global jewry and everything it promotes. Anything short of that are half-measures at best, and usually ones that are proposed by them in the first place to appease the masses and provide them some pr cover so they can tell those masses "see, we're trying to help/fix it".

>>514960521
I love jewish hollywood. They make good art.

>>514960521
the whole covid lockdown here was orchestrated by a palostinian muzzie hand in hand with jews. Of course he pretends is Bahai or something. Muzzies are jack shit, and their ideology is so monolitic that every 3 villages there is another sect ready to wipe out each other. muzzies links are only tribal. Only hardcore Christians can organize again hence the attack on them and shilling for the dumbest one, islam. Like you, sorry.

>>514950755
Shalom!

>>514961022
I won't even argue that there weren't positive contributions. But it's like arguing Hurricane Katrina put out the fire in your backyard while it destroyed your house. I like Everything bagels, there are jews who contributed wonderfully to classical music. They've made some entertaining movies. I'd give all of that up if it meant a life free from jews.
>>514961132
>Like you, sorry.
I wish you wouldn't say this. I am not a Muslim and I don't advocate for them. They do get the jewish issue right, somewhat, but those who do are relentlessly persecuted, leaving a very stupid and easily manipulable minority such as that Palestinian you mention.

I'll say again, eradicating jewish influence on the world includes ousting and punishing their collaborators. It should be done carefully, with exacting precision, directly proportionate to their accomplishments in carrying out jewish objectives.

>>514961132
this
moslem muhammaden browncels are the problem
not indians or jews

>>514950645 (OP)
couldn't richfags just cheat the system and put multiple properties in their spouse/kids names to avoid the jewtax?

>>514961017
>End result, slavery that never ends until social change where the people rebuke global jewry and everything it promotes. Anything short of that are half-measures at best
One of the most based posts I've read from your island nation. Truly, Filipinos are the most powerful race in the world.

>>514950645 (OP)
It would be fine to make it a one million dollar exemption rather than just a primary residence exemption, but only for citizens. Foreigners or corporations pay the full amount.

>>514950755
Which jeet made these "we at 4chan like trump" retarded memes.

>>514961383
We got thejewish issue right too around the 30's, and I'm not talking about Germany. First thing kikes did was to wipe out all resistance in the 50's, effectively creating a new society of people owning nothing but them. Christianity was banned and surpressed well into the 70's.
>includes ousting and punishing their collaborators
oh yes, no doubt. But at least here, is not Christians, is the homosexual globalist scum and corrupt zogbots in services of repression.

>>514961434
hi there, fellow supremacist. Want to meet in front of a Tel Aviv cafe?

>>514962139
it wasn't Indians
it was mudslims trying to subvert glowie memes which were actually based and redpilled

>>514950645 (OP)
this is a good idea but it will never fly because the rich and powerful don't care about paying a fair share for there immense wealth and they will do everything in their power to keep it that way unless there is some sort of violent uprising from the serfs

>>514950755
>hey have you ever considered the feelings of CEO's? they're just hardworking honest people like you and me who have never ever taken advantage of the proletariat ! we're just like you goy, seriously!!

>>514962842
mihai there's no reason to act coy with me
you must adopt the ways of wallachia just like mircea cel batran, vlad and stephen cel mare from moldavia did in order to stop mudslim invasion of glorious EVROPA

>>514950755
I agree.
These anti-capitalist nutjobs would make it illegal to write-off property taxes as business expenses if they had their way.

>>514962785
>First thing kikes did was to wipe out all resistance in the 50's, effectively creating a new society of people owning nothing but them
This is most likely because Romania was (as I understand) one of the only countries to voluntarily ally with Germany on their own without some sort of change in government, trust me, that pissed off kikes beyond anything we could have ever done here in burgerland. Because jews were able to dupe Evangelicals here, and the mostly homogenous Christian population that existed, they didn't eradicate it here like they did in your country.

It's my hope that we burgers are able to spearhead a sea change in this system, but if I'm being honest, I have little to no hope of it ever happening. It is heartening to see formerly retarded liberal women pushing against Israel and discovering the severe crackdown of jewish retribution, though. Every college student expelled, fired from their jobs, harangued on social media for saying "free Palestine" is a person put on the path to discovering National Socialism and becoming a fervent activist. It's impossible to know how many of them have already found their way here after losing something in their personal lives due to jewish seething. That's why it's important that we post here and spread the word, even in shill threads, even when it's seemingly pointless to do so.

>>514950645 (OP)
All of this +
>end H1b
>block american companies from hiring overseas workers
>end tax relief for immigrant business owners
>block corporations like blackstone from buying real estate at all

>>514950645 (OP)
this makes sense

>>514963253
get the fuck out of here, stop pushing degenerate kiked shit from abroad, and subverting our power structure to the point of owning them, and we'll manage.

>>514963548
>like they did in your country.
they eradicated the leaders, people stood on their religion anyway and was revived especially in the 90's 2000 but now they hit it hard again.

If you want to lower the value of homes, stop subsidizing boomers for everything and also build more of them. This retarded shit where apparently we have to keep setting up advanced wealth redistribution schemes instead of just meeting the equilibrium of supply and demand is retarded.

>>514964126
That's a shame, but not wholly unexpected. I hope to one day visit Romania and see its wonders. Best wishes and God speed brother. I'll fly an I.A.R 80 in a flight sim for you in solidarity.

>>514964011
that's george soros factions of DDAAAA JOOOOSSS
the jews fighting the brown hordes are the good guys and their ancestors allied with Nazis in WW2 to establish the only country in the middle east that christians can thrive in
show me a mudslim country where christians don't pay the jizziyah and aren't treated like 2nd class citizens
you can't

Sure, you could use a bunch of clunky, complicated property tax rules that will be difficult to enforce and won't even accomplish what you want to accomplish because property taxes are so low anyway that they don't discourage land speculation so it doesn't matter if they're still charged against non-owner-occupants.

Or you could just replace all taxes with the Land Value Tax and directly remove the entire profit motive for land speculation, which causes all the other problems which you are complaining about.

It's saddening to me that the socialist I was talking to left the thread, I hope he finds his way to researching national socialism and becomes one of us someday. It's my fervent belief that every ideologically committed communist is a potential convert, if their convictions really are true and they're not just psychopathic power-hungry opportunists.

>>514950645 (OP)
>create llc or trust
>put second house and vacation property in llc or trust name
>pay no taxes
There is no good fix besides owning a house with the intent of renting in any capacity being taxed at an incredibly high rate and having no capital gains exceptions. A house is meant to be lived in, not as an investment. Apartments can be tolerated as a lower tax rate but duplexes or triplexes should fall into the increased tax category.
Even then there are many ways to jew the system. The true best way to fix it is to execute all jews and increase tax rates for higher earners. The idea of profiting off of housing should not exist full stop. Apartments should at best be a net neutral which debatably should be in the hands of government. Modern governments would fail at upkeep though but maybe a better government woudl exist if jews didn't exist.

>>514950918
Renters would just get evicted before they are in a position to buy the owner out. This would need to be accompanied by extreme reform for renter rights.