Thread 514959399

Ever since I started smoking I've been using this board nonstop. Never realized how much it can reinforce bad habits. Now I have basically zero motivation to do actual work. You niggers told me this would help me be more productive. What the fuck. Am I supposed to not smoke until after I get work done to change the dopamine incentive or am I supposed to smoke only while working? I feel like I'm doing this shit wrong. I've gone through two entire vape pods in one week.

no refunds

>>514959548
I don't want to quit I just want to use it correctly. I started smoking for the health benefits.

vaping isn’t smoking. you can pick up a vape and hit it anytime you want, smoking a cigarette is an intentional act often tied to specific timing throughout the day. why the fuck would you willfully allow yourself to become addicted to any substance anyways? are you simply that weak willed that you want something to make your life “better” without actually having any vision for what that looks like or plan to reach it?

You've been smoking for what? 2 weeks? that is barely time to get addicted. Feel sick for 2 days and be done with it.

>>514959698
>are you simply that weak willed that you want something to make your life “better” without actually having any vision for what that looks like or plan to reach it?
That's how everything else in life works. You don't go to the gym with a vision of looking like Mike Mentzer, you just go everyday and do the workouts. What the fuck are you even trying to say here.

>>514959634
Holy fuck an entire lifetime of messaging about the addicting nature of nicotine and your voluntarily took it up? Wow, you deserve what you get. Taper off with low percentage vapes until you’re on pure placebo, it’s probably not too late for you anon

>>514959880
okay, slave

>>514960100
was that before or after the lifetime of white people bad and men wearing wigs are women actually
before or after safe and effective?

>>514960100
was it before or after just give your kid these meth pills lol?
was it before or after just take these oxys for your back lol?
was it before or after smoke this brand of cigs while you're pregnant?
was it before or after the rate of autism exploded for no reason at all because the science is settled?

It's because you used it wrong, you have to stick it up your ass and blow on it

>>514960100
Nicotine is good for you retard. Prevents neurodegenderative diseases, helps your brain, and increases testosterone production.

I'm just using it wrong and I'm trying to figure out how to use it correctly. Get real nigga.

>>514960259
>>514960359
Yeah exactly. Most of the "science" against nicotine and vaping is bullshit.

>>514960474
Oh thanks m8. Will do!

*neurodegenerative

>>514959399 (OP)
>Now I have basically zero motivation to do actual work. You niggers
anon I think I know who the nigger is here hehehe

>>514959399 (OP)
>Thinks vaping is smoking
You will never be this cool.

>>514960640
nicotine is arteriosclerotic and therefore harms testosterone production and contributes to neurodegeneration in the long term. smoking deposits carcinogenic tar in your lungs, vapes are full of chinese machine oil, pouches are assembled by poo hands and full of fiberglass and microplastics, gum is probably the least unhealthy. maybe it's not so bad if you grow the tobacco yourself and only smoke every once in a while, but if you're doing it every day you're absolutely harming your health substantially.

> t. lifelong smoker dealing with health consequences

>>514959634
>I started smoking for the health benefits.
Watch some joe rogan. He will convince you to smoke weed and do dmt too because of the "health benefits".

>>514959399 (OP)
Or if you've got little bitch-lungs you can dip (with real tobacco, not fag-pouches) or smoke a pipe.

>>514960640
>Most of the "science" against nicotine and vaping is bullshit
>literally starts a thread because he doesn't know how to use it properly.
So you're retarded enough to not use it the right way, but smart enough I'm suppose to "just trust me bro, this science is bullshit"

>>514961270
Yeah it's sad, but I don't want the cancer that comes with it.
>>514961278
Could I get a source on the first part? Saying that vape juice is "chinese machine oil" is disingenuous and makes me doubt the rest of what you said. Proplyene glycol and vegetable glycerin don't have any clear health consequences from my own research. I'm only vaping unflavored.
>>514961365
I used to smoke weed when I was a teenager. I'm done with that shit forever. Never again.

>>514961622
I can be ignorant in one area and more knowledgeable in others. What's so hard to believe about that. I did my research on the health effects of nicotine but not the ideal way to use it to maximize productivity. Big whoop.

>>514961646
>cancer
lol you believe the government? I'm sure it has nothing to do with all the shit they are putting in the air. No it's "cigarettes" and "second-hand smoke".

>>514961278
Are you talking about this?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4805015/

Even they say their findings are inconclusive and contraditory. And they're talking about cigarettes.

>>514962048
When I used to smoke weed I could tell that the combustion was fucking my lungs up. Vaping is wayyy easier on the lungs. But yeah you're probably right to be skeptical about whether it actually causes cancer.

>>514961646
> Could I get a source on the first part?
there are several known mechanisms for cigarette smoke causing arteriosclerosis, this isn't really debatable (as long as you're not rejecting the basic premises of science and saying all studies are fake, in which case it's not worth continuing this discussion). the finer point of whether or not nicotine causes arteriosclerosis itself, absent the other chemicals in smoke, is more of an open question, but what's beyond debate is that nicotine is vasoconstrictive (it raises blood pressure) and suppresses HDL. here is a reference to HDL being suppressed by nicotine patches (not cigarettes): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743500906947

there is a little less evidence that nicotine alone impairs endothelial function (flexibility of the blood vessels) but it probably does. these elements (high blood pressure, poor LDL clearance, impaired endothelial function) are all the main drivers of plaque formations/arteriosclerosis.

> Saying that vape juice is "chinese machine oil"

the vape juice is whatever you mix up yourself with extracted nicotine, I was more talking about the coils and cartridges most likely having machine oil on them.

>>514961646
>used to smoke weed when I was a teenager
That's why your brain is broken

>>514959399 (OP)
>vape
you had one fucking job
you went out of your way, spent more money and did more effort to fail your job
for fuck sake anon

>>514962883
I suppose nicotine is a stimulant, so it's probably not ideal for your cardiovascular system, but I'm pretty sure in that regard it's no worse than caffeine. I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of physical health for a mental benefit if possible, generally speaking.

>>514963145
Vaping is cheaper and healthier than cigars or cigarettes. If that's your thing though I won't piss in your cereal.

>>514962985
Yes it was very stupid, but at least I got invited to parties in highschool because of it and was able to make some... good memories.. with a cute girl and my buddies.

>>514963378
Caffeine probably doesn't have the same HDL suppression effect as nicotine, and coffee is an antioxidant wheras smoking and vaping (maybe nicotine consumption in general) is a huge source of free radicals. sugary energy drinks are certainly bad for your blood glucose. If you're interested in health, you should really try to get a better understanding of how cholesterol works.

>>514964581
What did your doc say to you that was a wake-up call? What happened?

>>514959399 (OP)
Sucking the robot dick is not smoking.

>>514964794
I prefer to call it a robot nipple

>>514963378
> a little bit of physical health for a mental benefit if possible, generally speaking.

when you get old you realize they're the same. your physical body impacts your mental health the most. for non mentally ill people, if you're depressed, anxious, can't focus, or whatever, it's almost certainly because you have a vitamin and/or hormone deficiency related to lifestyle choices, high blood pressure, fluctuating blood sugar, aren't sleeping well, aren't hydrated, etc.

nicotine does temporarily reduce anxiety (like alcohol) but there is a greater rebound effect. make your own choices but take it from this oldfag. a life of smoking will fuck your body up and make things harder than they need to be.

>/pol/ said X
Read the rules and learn what a source is, retard.

>vapes
You'd look more manly with a cock in your mouth.

>>514959399 (OP)
>smoking
>vape pods
you can choose only one, cocksucker.

>>514964993
Dully noted.. I'm not being dismissive, I'll actually think about it. Wrote down some of the stuff you mentioned too.
>>514965015
jebaited
>>514965119
I don't vape in public. Looks stupid.

>>514960100
>an entire lifetime of messaging

Thats the fucking problem. Governments have so overdone it with the "messaging" on the moist obviously bullshit causes that people will believe absolutely anything coming form an official source is complete bunk. Even the stuff that is arguably true. Congratulations!

I'm disappointed that so far none of you nicotine addicts have actually answered my question about managing your intake yet.

I don’t feel any benefits from smoking. I only feel dizzy and too lazy to move. That’s all. Probably you are like me.

>>514966248
Honestly, yeah kind of. Maybe it's a dosage issue?

>>514966367
I started vaping one year ago and it does nothing anymore. So low doses do nothing, high doses make me feel lazy and dizzy.
I only had this slightly increased focus when I ate my first nicotin gum before I even smoked.

>>514961451
>pipe smokers have bitch lungs
Rude

>>514966685
Coffee works in a similar way. If I stop noticing the effects that's when I know to taper off for a while. I don't increase the dose. Perhaps it's the same with nicotine.

>>514965554
I do not find it addictive. I smoke tobacco though, no additives

>>514960100
>Holy fuck an entire lifetime of messaging about the addicting nature of nicotine and your voluntarily took it up?
How else will I look based?

>>514966861
Based

>>514959399 (OP)
Smoke weed everyday

>>514966849
Same I thought I'd crave it more considering how much I've done so fast. Not even as bad as coffee lol.

>>514959399 (OP)
Nicotine also shrinks your dick. You’re welcome. Even if you quit you’ll crave it for the rest of your life and be in a terrible mood without it. No refunds.
Maybe don’t be a fit in retard who ignores patently obvious health considerations and moral principles about keeping control over your habits and not adopting those that will be hard to control.

>>514964993
This anon is completely right. I'm 39 and due to excessive alcohol and drug use in my 20s I'm definitely paying for it physically and mentally these days. Haven't smoked in 3 years. Found out I have cirrhosis so no more booze. Can't sleep. I'm working to recover what I can that's left so I'm not dead in 2 years.

>>514967174
>excessive alcohol
What is considered excessive in the US?

>>514967017
Since I quit smoking over 3 years ago I haven't had any cravings or desire to start up again. Same with drugs. Alcohol on the other hand...fuck me it's tough.

>>514967331
Well for the past 10 years I've been drinking a gallon of shitty hobo 10% beer every day. The 10 years before that, I was drinking the same shit every day but not a fucking gallon of it. I wasn't drinking it over the course of the day, like a span of a few hours. Just chugging that poison.

>>514962257
I already told you what to do if you've got little bitch lungs >>514961451
Stop fucking whining already.

every time you buy a pack of cigarettes you are paying back the stock (((holders)))
now keep smoking, its a quick way to relax while on break at work goyim.

>>514966738
It's exactly why I smoke a pipe. I can't hang coughing shit up all the time. Cigars are boss too.

>>514967372
Just have one drink to zero the craving

>>514961365
Dmt is actually good for u