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Anonymous (ID: 9GG7VSDh) Finland No.514973491 >>514973592 >>514974360
Fact checking facts about "russification" of Finland
1. Hurr durr Nicholas 2 wanted to turn everyone into Russians.
False: He wanted to liberate Finnish people from swedish aristocracy
>Nicholas II said that the core of Finland’s problem was that "the Swedes are striving to regain their former dominant position in Finland, misleading a broad section of the people. Against such gentlemen, decisive action had to be taken."
2. Hurr durr bobrikov was a dictator who suppressed free speech.
Misleading: He targeted swedes and their allies who were advocating for separatism and called Finnish and Russian people mongol barbarians and were closely associated with Germany which posed a security risk
>Of the 116 newspapers published between 1899–1905, 46 (39.7%) were temporarily suspended and 26 (22.4%) permanently shut down. The language distribution of all newspapers published was as follows: 78 Finnish-language (67.2%) and 38 Swedish-language (32.8%). Although most of the suspended papers were Finnish, the relative share of Swedish-language papers was greater. Of all Swedish-language papers during this period, 30% were permanently closed and 52.6% suspended temporarily, whereas the corresponding figures for Finnish-language papers were 19.2% and 33.3%. In the early phase of mass closures, attention was directed especially at Swedish-language papers, six of which were shut down in 1900, while only one Finnish-language paper was closed.
>In Kotka and Käkisalmi, the closures carried out by the governor-general strengthened the position of the Old Finnish press.
>Arbetaren and, outside Helsinki, Länsi-Suomen Työmies, Kansan Lehti, and Itä-Suomen Työmies did not receive a single warning from Bobrikov throughout the entire period, nor were they ever shut down. It appears that political censorship from Russia had little effect on the workers’ press.
Anonymous (ID: 9GG7VSDh) Finland No.514973504
3. Hurr durr muh political repression, muh exiles to Siberia
Misleading: The Finnish government couldn't carry out it's duties of protecting it's citizens and was notorious for hiding terrorists like Lenin and letting murderers go free. Bobrikov had to manually exile criminals because it was the only option left. For example a governor of Vyborg was shot and the assassin got only 3 years in prison and his co-conspirators got away with fine (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Reinikka)
4. Hurr durr Bobirkov tried to force everyone to speak Russian
False: He encouraged his subordinates learn Finnish and significantly improved the position of Finnish language. This myth propably refers to the 1900 manifesto which mandated use of Russian in governors office because after his letters were leaked and he was facing insubordination he brought in his own people who didn't know swedish but were legally required to speak it. This law was made for them and didn't affect anyone in any way. All senators had to do was hire a translator so that Bobrikov could understand them. All in all it was not that important in the context of all his actions. Before Bobrikov swedish was the only official language and he uplifted Finnish language by giving it an official status which is a much more important policy
>Swedish-speaking senators who resigned, were dismissed, or died were replaced by Suometar (pro-Finnish) men, with the result that the senate gradually became more Finnish. A key achievement was the 1902 Language Decree, which, after years of struggle, finally made Finnish formally equal to Swedish as an official language.
Anonymous (ID: 9GG7VSDh) Finland No.514973540
5. Hurr durr he was a dicktator
True: While it's true it's important to understand that not all dictatorships are bad and not all democracies are good. Bobrikov had to have signifcant powers in order to uproot swedish aristocracy which occupied Finland for over 700 years. Prior to Bobrikov only 30% could vote and the senate and diet was almost exclusively swedish and couldn't represent the majority of Finnish speakers in any way. Bobrikov used his powers to represent those who were excluded from the decision-making like finnish-speaking workers and peasants. Bobrikov used 2 million marks to acquire land for the landless population and the committee he established distributed 147,000 hectares of land to those without land. It also should be noted that Bobrikov wanted to democratize the system and expand voting rights after he had implemented his reforms but was murdered by a swedish aristocrat before he could do it.
Anonymous (ID: lROENja1) Finland No.514973592
>>514973491 (OP)
who cares
Anonymous (ID: ZjOmde+z) Estonia No.514973623
Nah. SVENSKA EMPIRE ÜBER ALLES :DDD
Anonymous (ID: mPmKieH1) Georgia No.514973742 >>514974087
Daily reminder that russniggers literally sold finnish civilians on a slave market in Istanbul.
The also like projecting these transgressions on Circassians when justifying their genocide.
Anonymous (ID: 9GG7VSDh) Finland No.514974087
>>514973742
Fun fact: Wikipedia cites a 1944 propaganda pamphlet as a reliable source in their muh isoviha page. I looked it up and it starts with the preface that it's purpose is to motivate soldiers to die by inventing falsehoods against Russia. Very reliable source
Anonymous (ID: sSpC+1kI) Finland No.514974240 >>514974728
Yeah but what if I like Swedish aristocracy?
I choose them over Russians, as they're far more civilized.
Now I don't give much of a shit about most things said about Russia, but simply seeing what kind of a shitheap Russia turned out to be despite their commodity based wealth, there's absolutely no reason to defend them.
They're a big ass nation full of riches but still on par with Africa, with some of the dumbest and most niggerish "white" people in existence.
I remember in the 90's we used to have ads begging for donations to be sent there, as Russian kids were starving in the streets even inside their fucking capital.
I have no idea what the hell has gone wrong with their genetics to produce a place like that.

On another note I wouldn't lift a finger fighting against them in a war, as the West is willingly committing collective suicide via faggot feminist and nigger politics, combined with banking sector bullshit pulling the strings.
Anonymous (ID: +rx6wAtE) United States No.514974253
Go back to Leningrad, Ivan.
Anonymous (ID: nvVZSv2+) Poland No.514974360
>>514973491 (OP)
how's replacing one occupier with another liberation?
Anonymous (ID: CmsW8FF0) Finland No.514974557
Woah so many words and I didn't read any of them
Anonymous (ID: 9GG7VSDh) Finland No.514974728
>>514974240
>Yeah but what if I like Swedish aristocracy?
Then you are either are a swede and should go back or you are a self-hating cuckold in which case you are a lost cause and should go enlist for ukraine and die or something