Thread 514987622

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ2tqs_vksc

>rolling blackouts
>municipal and regional water shortages
>skyrocketing residential utility bills
>tax exemptions for land grabs
>regulatory capture outside of eminent domain
>corporate NDAs for communities
>air pollution health hazards
>groundwater contamination
>Amazon Meta Stargate Microsoft xAI
>promise of 'job creation' is outsourced
>increased residential property taxes
>state and local legislators, officials on the take in grift from corporate lobbyists

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/514580066

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>>514987622 (OP)
Muttnald Clump just ditched the construction of 50 giga windmills in Connecticut by the Danish company Ørsted. He's backing out of the contract literally months before it's finished. A fucking kike faggot. Ørsted is suing the Trump admin, and I think they'll win in some European court. Mutts are dumb and have retarded laywers who can't do shit unless they can stand and do a theater in the court room, but that's not how Europans do things.

They are planning on building a jewgle one in the middle of BFE Oklahoma right now.

>>514987622 (OP)
i'd base load her electricity grid

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Thank God I live in a blue state where I don't get exploited by tech oligarchs or have to deal with drooling redneck retards

>>514987622 (OP)
>>514987640
>>514988878
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>>514995856
get a hint anon, nobody cares

All so that the AI can never answer a single question of mine and just call me racist over and over.

>>514996470
Fuck (You).

>>514996503
Even Altman admits its a nothingburger. This 'AI gold rush' was just to pump the stock market (which is just the 7 FAANGs anyway)

>>514999622
>>514996503

America thinks their problems will be solved by a ‘hyper intelligent’ artificial brain. So much so that they invest trillions into it, but not into the electricity grid. It’s sort of a Hail Mary at this point, grid and freshwater be damned.

>>514987622 (OP)
It’s the same as a lot of things in this economy though isn’t it? What are “products”? What are “shows”? What are “games”? What are “brands?” Etc etc. We make, produce and buy A LOT of shit that has no actual value beyond being consumed by somebody for some unknown purpose - or better yet being made only to go straight into a landfill somewhere on the other side of the world.

>>514996470
Anyone who cares about where their money and resources are going is a virgin chud who needs to immediately have more children

>>514999797
It's basically funneling money, but it's really obvious, it also pushes prices up for utilities and big oil.

yeah bro, why talk to another human or ask around on forums?
Just ask chatgpt, it knows everything!!!!!

>>514996470
>>514987622 (OP)
its not that i don't care, its just that theres nothing anyone can do about it. money rules in america, and these data centers supposedly make the most money.

>>514999935
>no actual value
That's a downstream symptom of the post-1970s Financialized global economy and particularly the west which has had its manufacturing capacity assets offshored by neoliberal policies over decades, to the point where the U.S. economy (<-for mere example) is now a service economy, in addition to the post-1990s "tech" <--bullshit misnomer focus (anyone remember the dot com hype, AI = similar), the post-2008 iPhone-ization of the internet etc.
Financialization has removed price discovery mechanism from all capital markets and disconnected product from value. And our global (fueled by top billionaire elites that have captured most govs) obssession with "muh tech" <--that is worthless except to accelerate Financialization overall, as this post-2022 AI hype has done for the seven major "tech"bro brands that dominate the S&P500 (<--which itself is overvalued ×8 overall)
We live in an economic simulacrum

>>515000460
>nothing anyone can do
Watch the OP video. Many communities and even local/state governments have done things for example Oregon's legislature which passed a law mandating that data centers obtain their own electricity without gov gibs, along with fighting and exposing the corrupt local-municipal-county-state officials on the payroll

>>514987640
At that point get them to build their own power station, and put the spare back into the grid.

>>514987622 (OP)
they are also passing the building costs on to people

why isn't musk and bezos and zuckerber building nuclear, solar or wind power.
dont they know that natural gas harvesting is making everyone retarded?

>>514987622 (OP)
We need a shit ton of nuclear power, just like the Fallout games before the war.

>>515001298
They want everyone to be retarded but they also paradoxically underestimate the amount of power their shitty non-maintained can withstand.

>>514987622 (OP)
trump said multiple NPPs are coming, you won

>>515001298
Not their problem

>>515001471
Problem is (as explained in OP video and many other experts that have been discussing, warning this for years) that the electric power grid nationwide and its ability to maintain continuous duty base load output has been weakened in the past two decades by all the 'green energy' projects/plants (<--that were subsidized by billions $$$$$$$ of federal gibs)
never mind the AI datacenters, even the current grid without them is in enough trouble

>>514999797
>>515000264
>"America thinks"
No, broligarchs think that. A tiny group of around a dozen billionaires that have created their own alternate reality fueled by Financialization.
As mentioned above even Sam Altman now acknowledges that AI has been overhyped (as to what it can and will actually accomplish); look at NVIDIA valuations lately

'America' does not think that "problems will be solved" by either tech or AI. None of these can solve the problem of the global bond (debt) market on the brink of collapse.

>>514996387
which state

>>515006410
Somewhere in New England

>>515006750
That's not where these datacenters are going.
The datacenters are being sited and are located in the southeast, south, southwest, and western United States.

>>515006819
Yes, and I'm thankful for that

>>515000807
If America is a superpower, why can’t they build nuclear plants? Shouldn’t a superpower be building world leading infrastructure?

>>515003227
What nobody explains is why America doesnt build hundreds of new nuclear plants since

1. America is a superpower
2. America has unlimited Latin American slave labor to build the plants.

Either
1. America is not a superpower
2. American workers (especially illegals) are less productive than the US government lets on

>>514991924
>some European court

Literally wgaf

>>515006819
Datacenters wont work because America can’t provide power. The data Centers will end up in the Middle East or Asia.

The whole reason Deepseek is pulling ahead of chatgpt is because deepseek can run more power intensive models because of cheap energy. Chatgpt is crippled because they cant actually sustain the power load

>>514987622 (OP)
Welcome to Crapitalism anything for a buck

>>514987622 (OP)
I live near the New Albany plant in Ohio. Electric bill is SKY FUCKING HIGH. My usage is the same.

>>515007563
But American capitalism doesnt even work since you don’t even have a powerful enough government to build nuclear plants. American Ai is crippled because the United States gov doesnt know how to build infrastructure.

>>515007346
>Canada flag
If you watch the OP video (and follow power generation industry experts like Dave Walsh, others) it's explained that the United States nationwide electric power base load generating capacity has been degraded over the past two decades. This is largely a result of regional policies and fedgov subsidies that favor 'green' enegy plants and projects, that have undermined the overall national continuous load generating capacity. Need to build and put online more continuous duty electric power plants (natural gas, coal, and/or nuclear)
The problem of the new datacenters, only adds to an existing power-degraded problem that's been ongoing since the 1990s

>>515007518
Floating data centers in the ocean
Energy from the sun
Data out through starlink
Heat dumped directly to the ocean

>>515007688
Regardless the US does not have the power to build power plants so all of the data Centers will get relocated to countries with cheap power. My bet is uae honestly.

>>515007855
It will be UAE probably hosting data Centers. Or Saudi Arabia. since both have good infrastructure and stable pro-American governments.

>>514987622 (OP)
Based and freemarketpilled. Only commiesexuals oppose this.

>>514987622 (OP)
Just heard on the radio my state is having a big data center built for google. It's ogre.

>>515000460
>its just that theres nothing anyone can do about it
Do ceo's not have homes and families?

>>515008993
It's going to happen everywhere eventually. People aren't paying attention, they have no idea what's coming, and what's coming is huge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhqoTku-HAA

>>515000585
If we could decouple the productive economy from the speculative, then we could let the latter fail without issue. Especially if we control the fed.

70% of Wall Street's play money being set on fire (along with I hope lots of boomer and public employee pensions) would reduce the money supply, fixing some of the inflation.

>>515010083
>decouple the productive economy from the speculative
Not likely.

>the fed
Some rumblings of this are going on right now. See for example (not only the lawsuit of the just-fired FRB governor but also) Scott Bessent's new paper:
>The Fed's New "Gain-of-Function" Monetary Policy
https://www.international-economy.com/TIE_Sp25_Bessent.pdf

But not only monetary policy (Treasury+central bank) but also fiscal policy (gov spending) needs to stop its tandem gigaexpansion, which
is being outstripped now by Interest Payments on the debt.
It's still not going to change or 'reverse' in any manner Financialization of the global economy which began during the 1980s.
The global economy is a Debt-Based Economic Model, reliant upon endless supplies of debt note fiat currency from private central banks to keep it from instantly imploding. 'Capitalism' died and went to heaven permanently in 2008, that's it that's all

>>514987622 (OP)
they don't cause such problems here we also use them for district heating. probably a result of lackluster regulation because americans get spooked by the word.
ooooOOOOOhh REGULATION!!

>>515010758
>Finland flag
Did (You) watch the OP video?

also read : 1. >>515007688
2. >>515003227

>>515000585
><--that is worthless except to accelerate Financialization overall,

You are either technologically illiterate or are pandering to those that are. And there really is no need for that because your core concerns are real.

'economic simulacrum' - this isn't a good term. The financialized economy is a functioning economy, but it is just an obscenity (in much the same way as popular culture) in that it not longer serves the primary purpose of being a good for most people.

The root of all US problems is the USD being the global reserve currency. That is what allows the US to be gutted of industry and transforms everything into a perversion. Being closer to the originated dollars is more important than creating real value to your fellow man. Economic gravity ceases to exist in any meaningful form - and perverted forms of everything takes/took root.

>>515011652
>"technologically illiterate"
I'm an engineer and scientist (yeah both don't ask how or why). 'Tech' is the greatest misnomer word of the 21st century. None of it/that industry is "tech" it would be better to term the bulk of it telecom and internet-server networking. (Some of it, *obviously* consists of robotics, computation/semiconductors, electricity transmission, battery storage, AI etc.)

>USD global reserve
Yes correct that is the foundation of the global Debt-Based Economic Model.
This is the present problem *globally* not merely with the U.S. Federal Reserve itself, because the entire world depends on USD as the default reserve: not only the dollar for transactions but also U.S. treasuries that are denominated in USD. Whole system is founded and dependent upon the confidence the dollar worldwide.
Global debt market today 2025 is more volatile and unstable than it has been in half a century.
When the global debt (bond) market goes, so goes it all
Right now, the administration's supply side plan
is to get the U.S. annual GDP growth rate from its current anemic ~2 percent up to around 4 or 5 percent, which could ? if successful in the next 12 months or so allow the U.S. federal discretionary spending to avoid inundation by Interest Payments >>515010589
I'm highly skeptical that the global debt market lasts until the end of 2025, despite the happy talk (emanating from the administration rn)

>"Economic gravity"
Shut the fuck up, Midwit.

>>515007442
To the average brownoid, there is no difference between doing a job correctly vs. taking a shortcut, filling out the form, and taking an early smoko break.
Try doing this with a nuclear power plant and watch what happens.
Of course, Jews and office Karens are willfully oblivious to this fact so we will probably start having problems. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

>>515012155
>I'm an engineer and scientist (yeah both don't ask how or why).

Not a very good one if you smear tech with the ever present excesses. The compute tech/infrastructure when re-imagined are going to be useful for a lot more than LLMs.

So am/was I.

>>515012155
>"Economic gravity"
>Shut the fuck up, Midwit.

I apparently have to spell it out for you. The rules are functional, the forces are in the wrong directions.

>>515012422
>smear tech
>'useful'
None of it is of use to society at large. Neither are iPhones/'smartphones': All of it only serves as centralizing of corporate and financial power. That's the *sole purpose* and function of the 'tech' industry.
Look for example at the White House dinner that occurred on Thursday: "tech" billionaires simpering for their spot at the table of power.
In final analysis the "tech" industry seeks to make (You) *the product* aka its slave and commodity.
(Won't even comment on or get into the whole transhumanism topic)

>rules are functional
I'm not going to derail this topic into central banks (though someone else can/might) or Financialization. <-search that term in archive.4plebs, which seems ? to be down atm
As regards post-1970s Financialization and the plumbing-operation of worldwide finance, it's an extremely complex topic that some of the most brilliant minds inside and exterior to the finance profession can't fully explain themselves.
Suffice to say that the vast majority of the world's wealth is totally walled off from the Real Economy of good-services-commodities (<--in which we all subsist), hidden in a black box gigacasino of speculative debt instruments and a lot of it stashed in invisible networks such as the eurodollar time-dependent deposits.

>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."
— Nick Dearden (quoted in the documentary film '97% Owned'

Central banks / the USD global reserve denomination, and Financialization, are two separate but perhaps parallel topics.

>>515012958
>None of it is of use to society at large. Neither are iPhones/'smartphones':

You sure don't look upon tech as a technologist; more as a sociologist. That cellphone is a multi-ghz, multi-gigabyte, pocket supercomputer with global data connectivity. The 'tech' that you refer to are the business structures that do monopolize access to the physical tech - but in fairness they do develop the physical tech.

Why do you as a 'technologist' not see the physical things as artifacts for you to exploit? Those are your building blocks, the global infrastructure built by the tech giants (companies) are the wiring for you to repurpose.

Even this basket weaving forum, built in the shadows and from the scraps of infrastructure is subversive and transformative in its own way.

>>central banks / etc.
I am not ready to discard the old financial plumbing until I see new functional infrastructure. Bitcoin is deflationary and has terrible transaction rate (except for the hack of the lightning network). A lot of crypto is scams. - Although there is promise in the core tech, and hopefully the wild west will force that development.

To an extent I absolutly do buy into the fractional banking model, because you cannot eat money. Behind each savings event, you need investment for that future consumption. Pushing gold (even digital gold) under the mattress does nothing for the future. This has been a solved problem of the modern financial system, even as it allows systemic weakness to be built on higher layers.

imho, the overall problem isn't tech, whether it be 19th or 20th century financialization, it is political. Modern financial systems are SO GOOD they allow a functional system for a multi-decade timeframe even as the overall economy rots. Don't blame the plumbers when you should be stringing up the political 'leadership'.

>>515000869
Trump said that's what we'll do

>>515013867
>That cellphone
It's not about *the device* at all. (Yes obviously: the phone is a marvel of miniaturized electronics, materials and manufacturing)
>infrastructure
YES, correct. It's about the network. Do you think Zuck or anyone at Apple gaf about their device(s)? It's about subscribers/new slaves. That's why they 'invent' the shiny toy.

Agreed that some parts of the network are useful, able to be utilized by knowledgable and alert users. That's not the point of having the network (particularly post-2008, when 'smartphones' became the primary access device, and after which people such as Musk want to replace that with a brain chip). It's all about the networks. Networks of *centralization and control* that's why they exist. (Look in contrast and for example at the computer industry, Silicon Valley as it existe in Gen 1 back in the 1970s and 80s, compared to currently)
>financial systems
Again we can derail the topic but in archive.4plebs there are plenty of prior discussions.
It's a Debt-Based Economic Model globally. That's what all of us not only subsist in but are up against. Central banks are only part (maybe ? the biggest most influential one) of the overall problem. It's a Financialized, global debt-based system that uses a single denomination of debt-note fiat currency as its 'fix'. And the "tech" industry—additionally—piggybacks on, and also seeks to reinforce, this Financialized debt-based global centralized system of control.

>>515014619
>It's about subscribers/new slaves. That's why they 'invent' the shiny toy.

Yeah, and they are snapped up by consumers. at every price point (even negative). And? How is billy 'G', or gay jobs, or that Meta guy evil for giving people exactly what they think they want?

There are massive sociological problems relating to modern 'tech' using both meanings of the word here. And people know it and keep consuming. I tend to think this is more of a social issue - and it is grappled with here.

>>Debt-Based Economic Model globally.
yeah. ok. And it works, after a fashion. Everybody knows all currencies are garbage and are going to be deflated away to nothing, the same since roman times. The USD is going to be toilet paper at some rate greater or less than other currencies.

Why are you not leveraging that somewhat dysfunctional system that needs improvement? It desires to be exploited. How long has it been around? 2000+ years? It isn't going to get fixed in our lifetimes - get that out of your head.

If you do want to work on a better system - the crypto bros are out there, and some are quite intelligent, tech savvy (in both meanings) and they have very, very deep pockets. And you would find friends within the current administration and overall financial system. Almost everybody knows shit is fucked, but it kinda works, so we run with it. Welcome to humanity. In 100 years it might be incrementally better.

Again, you need something provably better, and demonstrated and battle tested by reality before you toss out the current system, because it does work, after a fashion.

>>515015430
>more of a social issue
See picrel. None of this is "social" or "for the consumer" it's for and on behalf of the CIA and intelligence agencies. Look up John Poindexter, Naval Academy graduate who had (Richard Perle, Peter Thiel, Alex Karp)
None of this stuff, these "tech" bros are on our side.

>it works, after a fashion / provably better / run with it
I hear and understand what you are saying, there. Yes: what would 'replace' the global Debt-Based Economic Model, USD denomination dependence, speculative debt instruments, central banks? We'll have to wait for collapse of the global debt market, to see what that's going to be

>>515015713
>who had
a PhD in nuclear physics and was in charge of the Total Information Awareness TIA project

>>514987622 (OP)
and the best part is that its all to control you in a globohomo surveillane precrime tyrannical UK/China style police state. now keep paying your taxes and high electric bills goy, kikes arent gonna build the open air prison on their own dime.

>>515015822
>all to control you in a globohomo surveillane precrime tyrannical UK/China style police state
That's what I've been trying to tell anon ID BryLRzRM

>>515015713
>Yes: what would 'replace' the global Debt-Based Economic Model, USD denomination dependence, speculative debt instruments, central banks?
Literally the only two options are techno-feudal libertarianism or full-scale Marxist/Leninist communism.
And unless there's a major revolution in attitudes about socialism in the west, the latter is basically impossible.

>>515015713

>behalf of the CIA and intelligence agencies
If you are in the US, you are a member of a massive global imperial (decaying) power. Get over it. What should that government do in order to maintain its own global domination? It isn't going to be pretty. My greater concern is the clear ineptitude of the mass of government, not what gets done at the margins. Are these guys on 'my' side? Nope. No more than Kagen starting the ukraine war in the name of US Power.

I am quite sure tech both physical and business are going to be transformational to the future of our country - actually species - or whatever passes for it. I therefore find it very natural for something that government and intelligence agencies would involve themselves in. Will it turn out well? Probably not. Are these people absolute cunts? Yep. But I think you/we/I have to try; just being passive in the face of this will leave you as roadkill.

>We'll have to wait for collapse of the global debt market, to see what that's going to be

That won't do it, and even that will be kicked so many years down the line you won't be able to take lessons from it. This is cycle of civilization stuff. Betting on Tulips = bad. Depending on gold imports from subjugated lands = ok, if you don't run out of people to conquer. And yeah depending on a financialized economic system instead of industry = bad.

I think yield curve control is coming for the US treasuries market next. That will buy years. Enough to maybe turn the ship. The problem remains political.

>>515016578
>Get over it
Over _what_? What are (You) even talking about
I'm the one itt predicting total collapse of global debt market prior to end of 2025

>our species
Now (You)'re starting to sound like a Musk /Thiel

>"kicked down the road"
And with that your implicit faith (despite verbose remarks) in the existing system is betrayed. (You) do not comprehend the topics about which you post or what we've been discussing here itt
Overall system is not as 'in control' as you or its lever-controllers, think

>>514987640
They're probably trying to create a super ai to rule over humanity or something retarded like that

>>515016763
>I'm the one itt predicting total collapse of global debt market prior to end of 2025

And I'm saying lol, lmao even - to that. Why aren't you keeping up.

>>our species
>Now (You)'re starting to sound like a Musk /Thiel
My views would certainly diverge from theirs, but if you have technical chops and you look closely at what is being built, I think any rational person would see this as highly significant at every level. Back to thread topic - next generation (water cooled) AI hardware is going to be consuming 600kW - 1MW per data center rack. Is it bubbleish? yeah. Is it bullshit? imho no. Crazy times.

>>515017275
(You)'re out of your depth with all of these topics. Sorry

>>515018586
be sure to use plenty of leverage.

>>515018866
>leverage
checked, that's what this entire ponzi system is all about.
Debt leveraging

>>515000869
I work in the powerplant development and operations business. The problem with this is all the regulatory red tape to put power onto the grid, both from emissions regulations and things like NERC / FERC, the local interconnect, the RTOs, etc. that slow down permitting and building a power plant. However, if you’re building a plant solely for use ‘behind the meter’, e.g. just generating power for the data center, a lot of these rules and requirements don’t apply.

They want to use this ai shit to replace humans with robot slaves, 1% slave humans, 98% slave robots, 1% technopriest class.

>>514987622 (OP)
In case any of you have ever played any RTS games this is the point in the game where you advance your civilization too quickly but didn't build enough logistics so now everything is about to go offline and you're going to spend hours and hours working towards just getting everything back online at even 1%. It's like factorio when you start using logistics drones but you haven't built enough solar power. Kek

We're all gonna die soon. Either we kill ourselves with this shit, we kill eachother over this shit, it this shit just flat out kills us all. We're speed-running the extinction arc.

I thought that AI would change things and civilization might start moving towards something better but humans are just a fucking garbage species that deserves all of its own bullshit.

>>514987622 (OP)
Will any American heroes build some drones in their basement and save this country?

>>514987622 (OP)
Hell yeah time for Ancap Mad Max

>>515020544
>We're speed-running the extinction arc.
Life itself has been about outrunning evolution. Think about learning; building a dynamic information model of reality to outpace genetically programmed behaviors. I'm not saying you are wrong about an extinction arc, but I wonder if this is the natural path of life itself, and why we don't see ET, or evidence thereof, across the universe.

>>515020375
Right now this is john henry vs the machine, but the machines are toy level compared to biology. Your thinking wetware between your ears is say equivalent of at least 5MW of external compute, and you run on gruel. Your body is spectacular compared to anything designed and made in a research lab. How long that holds, idk. But the 1% won't have any kind of edge eventually. They aren't 2x you, or even 1.1x probably.

>>514987622 (OP)
>it's the heckin AI!
no it's spending all your money on "single mothers" (aka zogbot NEET spawners) and niggers across the globe instead of investing into your grid.

>>515019153
Even if you were right, It wouldn't be the collapse. At best you would be Soros vs the Bank of England. Again, I don't argue for financialization; I just think betting that the system will fail in the short term is dumb. You are betting against a world of financial engineering, plunge control teams, etc., and the ability of that system to create infinite fiat if they have to.

And even if you are right, absolutely right, what do you win? Ashes. Its why the system won't die with a bang, It will die with a whimper.

>>514987622 (OP)
>they still haven't figured out closed loop cooling systems
Who the FUCK is paying these clowns?

>>515021454
>if you were right
I have no idea what is going to occur. Merely my spitball 'prediction' based on my study and learning from others that are SMEs about these complex topics.
It's a Debt-Based Economic Model. Global debt market is more unstable and volatile than it has been in 60 years, and over $330T in global debt now exists which is one-fourth greater magnitude than the total a decade ago.

We're still in, right now Sept 2025, the six-year global economic freefall collapse that began mid-2019 with the overnight repo crisis of investment banks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkq75L5n_k
over $1T in bailouts to the WS banks doled out from Aug-Dec 2019, even Elizabeth Warren was on Capitol Hill "wtf is going on here"
magically though in Jan 2020, along came covid: and with it another $12T in liquidity to keep the global investment banks' black box gigacasino afloat

>what do you win
None of us 'win'. The only thing we plebs can do, is prep.
As what the people at the top with levers of control might ? be thinking, as previously stated: They're not as in control as they (would perhaps like) think. Which is the most terrifying aspect of all this

How come the biggest corporations get lots of grants, subsidies and free gibs from the taxpayers money?
How are smaller companies even suppose to compete in the market when the big boys literally get free money for nothing?

>>514987622 (OP)
>green energy rent seekers have to figure out how to get that sweet sweet AI dosh
>can't say they are anti-science
>hmmmmmmm
>THEY ARE DOING ECOLOGICAL DAMAGERINOS!
>We have to do ecological studies.
>Pay me money to look at animals!
>Sorry you can't build anything, there are 36 sensitive species on this floodplain

>>514987640
Damn that movie Eddington knew what was up

>>515009276
For slaves like you it's dangerous to have thoughts like this. Get back in line.

>>515021849

But money doesn't matter. Stuff matters, things matter, people matter. And we have been here before - and have language for it - debt jubilees.

Debt, savings, stock markets, derivatives markets - go as far as you want - supposedly exist to manage the real stuff that matters. I realize the system is perverse - I said that above - but right now all the real stuff exists to support however many billions of us there are on this blue dot. The evaporation of trust in the currency / markets does not effect the stuff that matters directly. People pick up the pieces, figure shit out, and move on. We have done it countless times in human history. The only reason this is viewed as a catastrophe is that it happens at time scales longer than human - because we learned the last time - and forgot the lessons over the years. We pick up the pieces, fix the problems, say never again, and in 100 years make the same mistakes. The cycle of civilizations.

But again, you say 2025 is the end? I think you are nuts.

>>515007578

Westerfag checking in. My bill has doubled since this time last year. New Albaniggers shouldn't have caved and let these cretins in the state, but that sweet sweet California money for those blown out shitty farm houses was just too sweet I guess.

>>515022356
Tucker was honestly right when he said their should be a nationwide campaign to just stop paying credit card bills.

>>515022356
Tucker was honestly right when he said there should be a nationwide campaign to just stop paying credit card bills.

>>514991924
You think the solution to upscaling our electrical grid is thousands of giant fucking fans? Surely there is a less ugly fucking way of increasing our supply of power.

>>515022356
>debt jubilee
That's not the kind of debt we're talking about.

Global debt (bond) market depends on USD denomination, because treasuries. That's it that's all
Everything depends upon *confidence* in the U.S. treasury because that is the global default denomination. That is why the past 3 years of instability (along with one-fourth greater magnitude total global debt than last decade) in the world bond market is so concerning.
(You) aware of what happened in France the past week? Also Britain (two years ago the Bank of England was forced to buy up unsold bonds, take them back onto balance sheet in order to prevent U.K. pensions from complete collapse) And they don't even have the global reserve denomination

Nobody wants to buy the debt.
Recent thread (4plebs is down at the moment, try later)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690


>>515022248
>Eddington
Haven't seen it yet.

>>515022815
>That's not the kind of debt we're talking about.
blah, blah, blah.

It doesn't matter. Not really. What matters is that western economies are fucked and are running welfare states. When the music stops, that means living within your means. That is going to hurt. And my point is that we have been there before.

France and England are in slow collapse? Shocker. Maybe another million migrants will fix that right up. Government lied with respect to pensions? Shocker. You believe in social security? I don't - I doubt anybody here does.

If anything, you say collapse 2025, maybe from that worldview you should say it is already here - this IS the collapse. But for the 'end of the world' I'm rather comfy - and so are you. This would be somewhat in line with what I am saying, collapse is a slow thing.

As bad as things may be, the US is in a pretty good position wrt the rest of the world. We have to fix our shit though asap.

>>515023193
(You) have absolutely zero comprehension or idea what you're posting about.

This isn't about "collapse" {<--whatever that even means), relative 'comfort', it's about the global Debt-Based Economic Model on brink of total collapse, which includes all banks and financial assets
Every post you've made itt is back to the same circular-reasoning historical-analogy ('b-but the roman empire' etc.) bullshit. Where we all are rn, is historically unprecedented. Never in human history has the entire world all 150 nations economic system been dependent on a single denomination as the default currency. And it's a debt note fiat currency
Read and comprehend my posts upthread (which (You) chose to scroll past and surface-casual reply to). Or don't idgaf

>>515023573
IT DOES NOT MATTER

What matter is steel, it is industry, it is power plants, it is aluminum, it is technology, it is rare earths - exactly the things the US is scrambling to get back into place.

FUCK MONEY

>>515023931
>money
Anon read my posts upthread. (and when 4plebs is accessible again, search the term 'Financialization' in the archive)

What you just posted is the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities. <--Which is *not* where the vast majority of the world's wealth today, in the post-1970s Financialized global economy, is derived from.
Most major corporations and their product/brand itself might as well not even exist, today. Corporations spend much of their profits on *stock buybacks* not on capex improvements of their production line, efficency, machines or output. None of CEOs even gaf that their product even exists (and most CEOs/top brass of corporations end up in revolving door service on other competitors or other industries entirely, corporate boards) Artificially inflating their own stock valuations is the primary concern of corporate boards. And this does even take into account the overall, and company-by-company, vast overvaluation of the S&P500 it should be one-eighth the value of what it's at rn.
We live in an economic simulacrum. The Real Economy (to the top 0.001%) might as well not exists, because they are making all of their money solely off of money itself. That's all they do and care about is making money from money alone, its like an onanist fountain of youth, nothing else need even exist at all.

>>514987622 (OP)
Send niggers inside the AI datacenter

>>515024268

' economic simulacrum'. And yet is is clearly not You ate breakfast, you have a computer, the internet lays before you, you have a dwelling of some sort, you are educated, you are clothed.

That is all real stuff. It took an unfathomable amount of technology and infrastructure to put into place; all of which still exists.

Again, I am not saying the modern financial system is good. I am not saying having a derivatives market 1e6/9/12 or whatever greater than real markets is healthy. I am just saying all that financial shit can die, and you would still have breakfast tomorrow. All the factories, and all the stuff is still there. All that has to happen is a little logistics.

And really that is part of the reason behind the bullshit financial system. Think about the great depression. Banks failed due to stock speculation. They call in their loans because they need cash. Fully productive farmers get forced off their land because they don't have that cash on hand. It was bullshit! Nothing was wrong with the farmland, or the farmers; a collapse in financial systems washed into real markets. What do we have now? A financial system where this won't happen (for all its other faults). An infinite amount of $ can be hypotheticated into reality and backstop the bullshit to keep the real economy intact. And this happened in 2008.

What do we see now? A bullshit financial sector decoupled from the real economy. Well, thinking now, that is exactly what we intended to build! What has happened is that this hyptothetical bullshit is hurting the real - though the economic gravity statement you thumbed your nose at before.

>>514987640
is it out in the middle of nowhere like that photo?
sure would be a shame if a wildfire burnt it to the ground and firefighters couldn't get to the scene in time

>>514987622 (OP)
If this accelerate the fall of umorica I accept your terms.

>>515024717
Anon I (we) already agree even before discussing these topics that this whole system is fake bullshit.
What you don't seem to comprehend is the magnitude, or the actual meaning of entire globe being dependent on a single debt note fiat currency denomination. Or what it even is to begin with

>An infinite amount of $ can be hypotheticated into reality and backstop the bullshit
No. Wrong.
So much debt has now been issued by central banks that no one wants to buy the debt any more.
There is no "backstop" kek
it's debt note fiat currency it isn't 'backed' by anything but (more and more and more) Debt

Let me break it down 2-year-old-toddler bite size for (You):
Each note of fiat currency that is "printed" into existence by the central banks(<--any country), is correspondingly backed by the issuance by that nation's sovereign treasury, of a Bond.
That is why it's called *debt note* fiat currency
In the case of the world's most-utilized and default debt note fiat currency denomination, the USD those debt notes are U.S. treasuries.
The global debt-based economic model needs a steady, stable and reliable debt market to retain confidence in. Because, that's all that is backing the trillions upon trillions of notes "printed" by the central bank, is the bonds that *must be bought*
The nation's treasury can't just issue bonds and no one-nothing buys them. (Or you end up in part like Japan, half of whose bond market is owned by / on the balance sheet of BoJ)

(You) type the words "bank" and "hypothecated" and "markets" but don't even comprehend what they are or what they actually mean

>>515025117

I state again, it does not matter. If the entire global financial system collapsed, what would your bank account read? It would be the same balance. You would need to purchase goods and services. The fed would do the same thing they did in 2008, they would force large corporations to take out massive 'loans'. The balance sheets of large US industrial corporations would be positive. They wold be able to make payroll. The FDIC would still back all normal sized accounts for 95% or more of the US population. Other countries might not want to accept USD in payment for goods and services. If things really go sideways, international trade might dry up as nobody would know how well to value things, and we would be in the current situation of the BRICS figuring things out from scratch, but even in that situation barter still works. (x tons of oil for y tons of steel). Economies still work. International trade massively slows. For the US, where we still have a lot of industry, farmland, technology, we get though this fairly easy. The dollar is in the toilet though, and to be blunt this is exactly what Trump/MAGA wants because it means we have to manufacture here.

Life goes on. Unless you work in the financial sector. You get fucked. There is no disaster porn though. Money doesn't matter.

>>515025780
What happens to the urban population centers that are on EBT? Or all the auto-deduct bank transactions, any other purchases: vast majority of our everyday banking/payments are done electronically. No, wrong, no one or company would "make payroll"

>2008
(You) need to watch the video posted upthread about the mid-2019 overnight repo crisis.
Same thing would have occurred there, as would have occurred in 2008 had not those bailouts been provided: Credit freeze.
What is a credit freeze? Instant Mad Max
That's why they approved the '08 bailout, everyone knew what the next step was. All investment banks globally would have locked assets/balance sheets, which means that national and regional banks would be unable to clear any of their transactions.
Read and study what I already posted above. We're *still in* the six-year collapse that began in August 2019

(You)'re clueless.

>>514987622 (OP)
So youtube is, basically, showing all polacks and x visitors the very same fucking videos. What to do with it and how to profit of all of it, bros?

>what the Trump administration wants
Already described-explained in lower part of post >>515012155 <--here
That's the administration's plan. Skeptical that it keeps ahead of the tsunami of Interest Payments that is swamping discretionary spending <--and will lead to total Default within four years if annual U.S. GDP growth can't expand fast enough to "grow out of" the debt+interest
Yes, this supply-side plan is yet another giga-expansion of the already untenable magnitude debt (but keeps the Interest Payments relatively at bay for a few more years, assuming it even works)
>keep expanding, keep expanding we'll grow our way out of it: and be in even greater magnitude debt as a result

>>515026582
Hegseth has th right idea.
Calling it the department of defense is a sick joke it's it's actually the department of attack.

>>515026301
bullshit. Covid will be viewed as a bigger disaster than a collapse of the $ / treasury market. Covid probably is a good example of the extreme measures that would be taken.

In terms of EBT, it wouldn't matter. banks would still be open, except maybe a bank holiday for a couple days - but I doubt even that. Normal commercial and corporate and government cash accounts keep working.

There would be no meaningful credit freeze to ordinary businesses. Business lines of credit would be backstopped by the fed. The real economy would continue to function. Nothing will be allowed to interfere with that - because Mad Max is the result, everybody knows that, so things would be made to work.

>>We're *still in* the six-year collapse that began in August 2019
cool, at somepoint this AM I'm going to eat something and go work on my truck. Great collapse you have there. Super scary n stuff.

>>515026766
>'backstopped by the fed'
That's not what happened or how it works.
Stop using that word "backstop" because (You) don't have any idea what it means
you're clueless

>>515026875
>That's not what happened or how it works.
I know exactly what it means. It means bank accounts across the economy still works. Money gets hypotheticated out of thin air by the fed, given to the commercial banks, so it shows up as a positive number on their balance sheets. Then when a company needs to draw down their line of credit, or pay payroll, or buy an input for their manufacturing operation, that payment goes through; and the economy still functions.

In a hypothetical future, the mere fact that a commercial bank is 'bankrupt' because they have massive liabilities on their books from the treasury market taking a shit does not mean they cannot function as a bank for the rest of the economy.

>>515027681
None of that exists when the investment banks can't cover their overnight repos
Understand what happened in 2019, first
(You) have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about, none

>>515027816
>investment banks
Fuck the financial side of the economy. Trucks, trains, steel, food, manufacturing, - that is what matters. That will all be made to continue to operate.

>>515016871
yea and the advanced ai will be taken out by a thunderstorm kek. they are making data centers all over so then can’t all lose power at the same time as if people can’t drive there

its because they eliminated nuclear power because it was too cheap and abundant and with it you wouldnt have to slave away for am additional hour of your time every day just to cover the cost difference.

i witnessed this in real-time btw. i lived next to a nuclear power plant, my energy bill was $12/mo, and now its like 350.

dunno why you need to consult or shill some random e-celeb who probably doesnt even name the jew. shes probably doing that thing christcucks do, where they have to systematically have to use every conceivable excuse just to avoid noticing and stating the obvious. couldve just asked us.

>>515020544
most humans will always act like we are gods and ruin it

>>515027902
>the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities
is dependent upon the national/regional banking system to operate, even for basic consumer transactions
Which can't function when the investment banks can't cover their overnight repos

>>514987622 (OP)
years of democrats closing down power plants has strangled america's power grid.

>>514991924
>Ørsted is suing the Trump admin, and I think they'll win in some European court.
>in some european court
lol, lmao. Imagine thinking you can sue a sovereign nation in a foreign court and win anything meaningful.

>>515015713
These normie fucktards have no idea how much of their lives is being monitored and influenced by algorithms they don't even know exist. The number one goal all these guys have with all this AI nonsense is to build a prison planet.

>>515028108
>Which can't function when the investment banks can't cover their overnight repos

bull-fucking shit. Nothing, and I mean nothing is going to be allowed to stop the real economy. AtoB trucking will always be able to buy Diesel. It does not matter what happens. The commercial banks will be backstopped directly by the fed as much as required. Investment banks, maybe not.

>>515028532
>nothing is going to be allowed to stop the real economy
It will vapor lock instantly and permanently with a Credit Freeze. (You)'re a brainlet
What city do (You) live in?

>>515028589
>It will vapor lock instantly and permanently with a Credit Freeze.

No. That is the entire point of the shitty system we have. There are some kinds of money you cannot run out of.

I'm actually moving out of the big city. Its just too dysfunctional. I'm going to move my workshop and continue working on AI in the rural SE.

>>515024922
all of Wyoming looks like that

B U M P

On the bright side, when the AI bubble bursts electricity is gonna be so fucking cheap.

>>515029890
Another bubble is about to burst

>>515029890
Kek. we're still waiting for the other bubbles to burst. i'm thinking they won't, the ride is too far up to go down

>>514987622 (OP)
It's pretty hilarious what a scam this AI bullshit is, they're raking it in on the great delusion that the whole world is going to run on capital alone, no labour needed. Worse still is the fact that this supposed AI doesn't seem that bright at all if it needs so much computing power as to strangle electricity grids, it's almost as if it can't think at all eben.