Thread 515025128

Why do futurists always imagine high-density metropolises as something to strive for?
Since when is living in crowded, polluted, resource-starved world a good thing?

>>515025128 (OP)
human always flock together.
if you deny the existence of urbanization, you probably a retard but your flag proves it

>>515025255

Don't you have some more political opposition to murder to support your enlightened government?

>>515025255
>human always flock together.
No, they're forced together - that way they're easier to control.
You should've known that since you're an expert in concentration camps.

Imagine Indians living in empty, clean, resource abundant world.

>>515025255
They absolutely do not naturally, though. It's all kikes

>>515025255
>you probably a retard
Pottery.

>>515025128 (OP)

>high-density metropolises

Small dreams for small minds.

Humans are being domesticated into bugmen

>>515025128 (OP)
They were indoctrinated to push for more overpopulation, as elites needed slaves. Now that they have AI against us, there will not be a high population. Watch our media depictions change. With men having no use anymore, women will flock into Chad harems and let robots do the work. The spirit of man will be fully broken by 2035, as a computer always knows better, a robot is always quicker, stronger, more skilled. Women will mass abort male fetuses. And what good are children anyways, as Sam Altman's UBI sees to ever less resources for us poor people, while the AI ecosystems slowly take everything?

>>515025440
The world was different back then.
If you were alone, two or more gronks would come and bash your skull in, so all the oggs and bruuks understood that it was better to live in groups, also simply because you could share the work.
>>515025433
take your meds
>>515025486
how many kikes are in your room right now, forcing you do live there?

>>515025600
Man will not go to space. It is far more efficient and competitive to send AI, let it build designer organisms fit for the task at hands. Humans are inferior legacy technology now.

>>515025667
How many dicks are in your mouth and ass right now, forcing you to be a colossal faggot zogbot and shitpost here?

>>515025864
>gay cuck fantasies
nice vpn, ivan

>>515025442
They'd make it a literal burning hellish wasteland in 5 years before starving to death with their Africa tier brains.

>>515025667
You do understand the concept of economic strongarming though, I'm sure. One can not afford to not use a computer, probably not even Microsoft, for example. You always compete for the finite resources, win-win is just propaganda. Every rich man operates with an adversarial hateful mindset, they just lie through their teeth about it. I have never seen a richfag tell something about himself. They always ask and let others talk to find weaknesses, it's the one thing that self-made rich men have in common, which they used to take the resources from the others. Because it's a fight to the death for resources. It is not that visible in socialist Germany, where most people are state employed directly or indirectly, and the biggest threat is missing the deadline for the latest government taxation scheme. In our environment, the ideological rules of the hive dominate the economic nature of the world.

>>515025916
>Oh, someone is calling me out for being a retarded faggot, I better claim he's secretly Russian!

I'm now convinced you're a projecting shitskin (kikes are shitskins) even if you're a """Citizen""" with you shit English and amazingly shitty, dated Glownigger responses as your only retorts.

>>515025128 (OP)
>Why do futurists always imagine high-density metropolises as something to strive for?
Because low-density living is ruralism. Or worse yet - tribalism. That's regressive stuff, anon. We can't have regressive stuff in the future. We must become a peaceful and organized technological beehive, you see. Also keep in mind that their spiritual leaders (e.g. the classic hard sci-fi authors and the pop-sci figures) were kikes whose religion tells them they are to lord it over minions of human cattle. The future is efficient. You need to manage human cattle efficiently.

>>515025255
>human always flock together.
Humans never flock together. Yours likes are not "human" and you did not "flock together". Your white nigger ancestors were simply prodded into an urban concentration camp by their masters.

I like the idea of a hyper-industrialized agrarian society. Tribal communities of a few hundred or so where everyone recognizes everyone, connected by a series of maglev trains to one mega metropolis. Utopian probably, I just hate cities but recognize there necessity.

>>515025667
Because I'm tarded and overworked, I forgot to explicitly write that I believe that cities are mostly a result of ecomomic strongarming. The common protection scheme works in small settlements, but massive cities are due to entities aggregating resources and people being forced to live near these to not get outcompeted, like BASF Ludwigshafen using the Rhine and the GKN power station, for example.

>>515025128 (OP)
The elites basically view rurals as feral animals that got away and they're constantly trying to figure out ways to get them back in the city cage. End game seems to be to get everyone into cities and then nuke them to kill off most people. They know currently that would backfire as then the feral rurals would still be left over to fight them

>>515025667
>niggercattle regurgitates the kiddie version of the Hobbesian delusion
Show me an instance of people "flocking together" into big urban sewers, that didn't involve economic pressure. You literally can't.

>>515025128 (OP)
Future will be white people in small villages and immigrants killing eachother in the cities

>>515025128 (OP)
It's not something people strive for.
It's a byproduct of late stage capitalistic regime.
Monopolies are heavily pushed and all power in centralized. All commodities end up in one place, and anyone trying to decentralize distribution gets choked out.

>>515026212
Even America does not have enough space anymore for that. Maybe if you would take over Canada and remigrate hard. The Interstellar movie was set in such a society, mass death by lack of food. In Europe, small settlement society would require more than 90% dead. I believe elites want that badly, and are actively working to make it true this century, but I don't see my kids being part of that, they will be killed off. Probably not by T800, just the engineered stress of socialist pod life.

>>515025128 (OP)

It's Science's idea of the perfect community. A vast hive of consumerism populated by drones whose sole purpose is to work themselves to death while an Elite Secular leadership, having elevated themselves to demigod status live atop shining towering Mount Olympus's, observing the humans skittering about in the mortal realm.

>>515026362
>show me an instance of a human dying without their heart stopping
There should be a slav filter on this board

>>515026424
This.

>>515025128 (OP)
the modern futurists are jews that want us as cattle in big metropolises

>>515025128 (OP)
dont know
but picrel looks like shit

>>515025486
Urbanization started happening a full 3000 years before judaism was even a thing. Settlements began 9000+ years before

>>515025818
Yes, and that perfect designer organism will be a fox girl.

>>515026448
>In Europe, small settlement society would require more than 90% dead. I believe elites want that badly, and are actively working to make it true this century
Right. And what do you do with people when you want to kill them off, but you don't want them to fight back and also they're scattered all over the place? That's right: you put them in giant concentration camps, make private transportation unaffordable, flood the cities with engineered diseases and enforce lockdowns.

>>515026533
>i'm a mentally disabled brown subhuman

I just want to live on a farm with my auto-cow milker, plant harvesters and fuck my wife 24/7
Maybe do some carpentry and have some beers with my neighbour 5 kilometres away when I'm not spurting fat loads into my wife.

>>515026701
Tell me one (1) thing your country has invented

>>515026783
What's stopping you?

>>515026362
>show me an instance of people "flocking together" into big open sewers, that didn't involve economic pressure, you literally can't.
R*manians in charge of proving they're the jeets of Europe by equating civilized cities with open sewers.
Every relationship humans and all animals form are economical in nature to some degree, even if you try to roll us back to the tribal/caveman days.
>grug wants wife(resource)
>grug either has to form a connection in his tribe(value/trade)
>or he has to join a war party and raid a other tribe for a war bride.

>>515026362
>"flocking together" into big urban sewers
ok
https://www.vice.com/en/article/photographing-the-sewer-people-of-bucharest/

>>515026843
jews
this country has been destroyed. it's a dream for most now, but it could have been the norm

>>515025818
This. The model presented in shows like the Expanse is absurdly naive. It particularly galls me when spaceships are presented as spacious when in reality they would be as cramped as submarines. To be able to squander resources for a ship like the Enterprise would practically negate the need to move around in a spaceship to begin with. Just travel virtually.

>>515026701
>romanian
dude chill you're brown too.

>>515026878
15% of your country (which is a continent btw) is productive but unused you lazy nigger

>>515026248
It is still very questionable to criticize urbanization now when it has been around since the beginning.
It was just smaller.
>>515026200
you are a fucking brown retard, probably some arab mutt, you dont do this, there is a reason why you were nomads and are called sandniggers
white people do this

>>515026923
not even gonna check your other posts, but you sound like a kike
guess which group and leaders spearheaded ending australia's white australia immigration policy?

>>515025128 (OP)
Because it looks cool

>>515025818

>Man will not go to space.

Certainly will, and if we gotta drag them screaming and kicking up there. Can file a complaint to mission control later for all I care, but redundancies should have been established yesterday already. Well, ok, under the angle of suitable stock material it might be worthwhile to follow a first things first approach here.

>>515026803
>>515026859
>>515026876
>>515026909
>>515026971
Notice how these subhumans, despite their profuse seething, will never provide an example of people just "flocking together" into urban sewers without being economically pressured into it. Urbanism simply isn't a human practice. Humans form small villages, maybe a small town. Cattle lorded over by a parasite class forms cities.

>>515025128 (OP)
When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.

>>515027172
Fake

>>515025128 (OP)

>futurists

this has been a thing for thousands of years, see description of Babylon in Bible

>>515026896
To be fair, by the time ships like the enterprise are being build the federation already have fully functional AI androids, matter replication machines that can turn space dust into weapons and tools and four course meals, fusion power, at leas tone dyson sphere, and hundreds of systems within their area of influence. There's no shortage of dead worlds and asteroid fields out there to strip bare.

>>515027156
>ignores the part where two of us did
>tries to shame us instead
You really do have a double digit reading comprehension.

>>515027156
>seething arab mutt
>incest for generations because of "lone wolf mentality"
>doesnt get the concept why "white people" build cities
>seething
kek

>>515027393
also IIRC ships like the enterprise are supposed to be brand new flagships that number less than 10.

>>515027433
Notice how your sheer rage caused you to hallucinate something that didn't happen. Notice how you will confirm your subhuman nature by failing to provide a quote of you doing what you claim you did.

>>515027447
It's always a laugh when these guys try as hard as possible to prove us right about them.

>>515027447
The Germans have always been a nation of subhuman bootlickers. Adding your asswipe flag to the finger but you will 100% attempt to reply to me again. :^)

>>515027156
You literally contradict yourself lmao

>>515027513
>proceeds to double down on trying to shame and gaslight because he can't argue with what we said

See: >>515026859 and shut the fuck up, you don't have to tell us you're brown this many times, we can infer that from your coping and shitting on the proverbial floor.

>>515027527
>seething redditor begging for updoots
Still waiting for an example of humans naturally flocking together into urban sewers like the one you're from.

>>515027555
>nooo, just leave me alone
>i want to fuck my mother and my sisters just in peace
kek
>>515027527
They may imitate humans, but their brains don't understand simple things.
For example, incest isn't that great in the long run.

>>515027616
Notice how I correctly predicted you will not provide any quotes of that counter-argument you completely hallucinated. Noting in the post you linked to relates to this discussion.

>>515027631
>y-y-you're seething bro n-n-not me
>desperately copes by babing about a boogeyman he made up in his head
lol. LMAO.even.

>>515026424
Brazil.

Warhammer 40K does the hive city concept more realistically.
Existing high density cities are gross as shit. LA and Tokyo since they're more modern and not retrofits like NYC and Paris.
LA doesn't have nice areas anymore due to the amount of insane people they've packed in from the third world to replace the fleeing populace over the past 4 decades.
Tokyo has some nice areas upkept but beyond that the urban decay is very apparent.

>>515027711
Notice how you're forced to keep replying, yet you cannot provide any evidence to support your insane beliefs.

>>515026200
>Because low-density living is ruralism. Or worse yet - tribalism. That's regressive stuff, anon.
Rural communities still benefit the whole society.
Cites are worse with "tribalism" in the form of gangs. Gangs do not benefit society.

>>515027786
Why are you telling me this? Every time I take a break from this shithole and come back, I notice the average IQ has dropped by another 5-10 points.

>>515027677
>I'm not retarded bro
>but people concentrating in urban areas where there's easier access to respurces isn't natural because of my convoluted brown semantics and genetic need to shit up everything I touch
okay retard.
>picrel, its you being forced to clean up your act

>>515025128 (OP)
You're mistaking the far future with cyberpunk. Cyberpunk = a dystopian shithole, but the 1% corpos/government are insanely rich and they own all development in the city so they make every building look gorgeous with their wealth. But the actual citizenry live like fucking cockroaches. A modern example is China where its middle class is fleeing their country to escape because of how awful it is to live there despite how filthy rich the corrupt government is.
The far future = society has its shit figured out. It's both beautiful AND we live good.

>>515027887
If it's natural, you should be able to provide examples of it happening naturally, like I've been challenging you to do this entire time. You will reply again with no example.

>>515027849
>gypsy talking about IQ
Lmaooooo

>>515027746
>he keeps saying notice when he gaslights like its some sort of gatcha
Not only are you retarded and brown, you argue like a woman too.

>>515027930
>A modern example is China
A modern example is the US, where the Middle Class is unironically fleeing to Russia. :^)

>>515027981
Notice how your social programming forces you to keep replying, even though your Nth attempt to provide evidence only highlights how right I am about urban cattle.

>>515027940
>prove it
>but you can't use any urban concentration from history because of my convoluted brown semantics and room temperature iq reasoning
Suck start a musket you retarded faggot.

Flying cars are such a joke. There's no way to make them fly silently

>>515028058
last word trolling is F-tier, be honest

>>515028058
Notice how monkeys as portrayed by Hollywood have more sense than Moldovans in real life. Really makes you think

>>515028064
You're legit mentally ill. You literally can't tell apart vague fantasies in your head from concrete and documented cases of what you claim has happened.

>>515025667
>all the oggs and bruuks understood that it was better to live in groups
This allowed for the increased survival rate of people like you and others who imagine a future high tech world where nothing can hurt them. Society was a mistake.

>>515025128 (OP)
They are revolutionaries, they want to uproot the very foundation of human life and re-create it from scratch. They are empty husks filled to the extreme with nothing but the many carnal passions of flesh. They hate their nation and their kin, what they desire is a Babylonian tower of flesh filled with different people and buildings. Why? Because whatever makes their meaningless consuming ways easier to do they applaud, even if it looks abominable to the eye. Even if life itself becomes less, at least they can get a burger from Mc Slop a couple of minutes faster.

>>515025128 (OP)
But they don't imagine that at all.
Isaac Arthur (unarguably the best futurist currently alive) wants everyone to have a mega-mansion and multiple acres of land in an O'Neill cylinder.

>>515028186
without it, you couldnt shitpost on 4cuck while eating tendies

>>515025128 (OP)
Its environmentally better. Keep humans in cities and let nature recover.
>b-but muh countryside
Fuck your feelings you WILL live in the city pod.

>>515028210
I say again
>Society was a mistake.

>>515028232
>>515028291

>>515025818
We will go to space!

>>515028330
>t.

>>515025128 (OP)
To provide an actual answer to the original question: Progress is defined by how efficiently one can manage its resources, and urbanization represents a high degree of resource efficiency. The bigger your cities (aka the more people you can have not producing food), the higher your resource efficiency is, and therefore the more advanced you are. Individual happiness is pretty much irrelevant.
>resource starved
200 years of dooming by Malthusians and yet nothing ever happens. We haven't even scratched the surface of what earth has to offer (literally) and recycling tehcnology is making our resource management more and more efficient with the day. And don't even start with food, doomers have been predicting the day there would be too many people to feed for over two centuries yet in the current year there are more obese people than malnourished people in the world

>>515027849
Urban tribalism (gangs) does not benefit society at all.
Worst case scenario with rural tribalism is that you get a small parallel society but they still have to produce things that people want to survive.

Well, that's the perspective in the US.

For Europe your Rural and Urban tribes tend to be hordes of gypsies that fuck everything up. The kind of rotten governing that allows gangs to thrive in once great cities but applied nationally.
A squat goblin gypsy nigger squats on your farm and is ruining your freshly planted seed, can't do anything about it because the government will send out it's SWAT in record time to defend them and keep them there.

>>515028387
>Progress is defined by how efficiently one can manage its resources, and urbanization represents a high degree of resource efficiency. The bigger your cities (aka the more people you can have not producing food), the higher your resource efficiency is, and therefore the more advanced you are. Individual happiness is pretty much irrelevant.
Nice answer. I've already described this mindset, but you seem to genuinely believe in this, so now no one can say I was strawmanning. :^)

>>515028407
Ok. And in your next post, explain why you're telling me this.

>>515028506
Because you don't think that Urban tribalism is a thing apparently.

>>515028349
That's society. You love it.

>>515028558
>you don't think that Urban tribalism is a thing apparently.
Based on what?

>Some retard imagined the future and put it into a visual media
>The future now copies that same media
I mean, we've managed to shit out some 2 billion people in a few decades and each requires a home.
So retards visualizing the future will use a "city as far as the eye can see" based on the population bursting at its seams

>>515028688
>we've managed to shit out some 2 billion people
That's 2 shit tier countries though, China and Jeetland. While our continent is being depopulated

>>515025128 (OP)
>polluted, resource-starved
you don't sound really white

>>515028558
>>515028506

Your arguments are either shitting on rurals because of "tribalism" or ignoring the homeless junkie problem in cities that live all of the sewers. You adopt a gay homo communist way of speaking to deny that cities are gross with all the sewer CHUDS

Your pro-urban arguments look a lot better if societies were allowed to lock crazies in asylums and to deport the hordes of brown niggers back to Africa and Mexico but the problem of urban decay would still be around. Cities that are growing naturally put more focus in the newer built areas than the older areas. You don't really get focus on the older decaying areas unless a major disaster happens.

Cities sort of look like slime if you think about it. The edge areas and their branching offshoots to look for more resources or connecting other bunches of slime are bright with activity whereas the older areas in the center look dead and decayed but are actually still alive.

>>515028472
Resources and numbers are why big tribes of apes kill and enslave small tribes of apes. Ook ook aaaaak aaaaak aaaak

>>515028177
>proceeds to try to gaslight and insult again because he can't refute the fact that economics and urbanization are logical, natural extensions of the natural urge of all living social creatures to gather and conserve resources in groups

This dumb fucking cunt, all sorts of species form social groups to optimize their resource gathering and storage, its 100% a natural instinct, that is not an arguable fact.
>wolves and coyotes and hyenas and lions form packs to harry and defend corpses and territory, dogs and most other canines can be taught basic commands, smarter breeds can engage in trolling and bartering behaviour.
>many birds congregate together in large groups, especially the smarter ones like corvids and parrots, , some bird species even form symbiotic relationships with other birds and fauna species, and some bird species are smart enough to engage in tool use and basic concepts like bartering and trading and trolling.
>bees, wasps, termites, and ants all form large urban social colonies with their own limited forms of agriculture
>chimps, bonobos, baboons, and many other apes and monkeys form large social groups for predator defense and easier resource/turf protection, chimps in particular are remarkably human-like and aggressive, creating basic stone tools and engaging on large scale tribe vs tribe wars with each other and other apes/monkeys in their turf.

>>515028797
>tp
>tf
Your cities exemplify his point. The board's demographic shift, evident from this thread, is just nuts. Are these all bots?

>>515028835
>Your arguments are either shitting on rurals because of "tribalism" or ignoring the homeless junkie problem in cities
You really are 80 IQ.

>>515028847
How many species optimize their resources with the intention of distributing them to another species?

>>515028847
Notice how your post contains exactly 0 (ZERO!) examples of humans creating an urban sewer "naturally", without artificial economic pressures. I wouldn't be surprised if your raging mental illness precludes you from understanding this.

>>515028232
yeah instead he'd be shitposting in a cave with his tribe bros while eating berries and whatever cuts he earned from the hunt.

Honestly that wouldn't really be that bad, except for the smell.

>>515028840
>concedes that the only reason he's living in an urban concentration camp is that he comes from a lineage of slaves

>>515025128 (OP)
They build of that they are ball satanic ufo cults originating from oizzraelnfor the ufo lift off nasa is a satanic cult

>>515028994
>gets ringworm infection from foxpiss on the berries
>nobody knows why

>>515029038
Notice how despite all the seething, you have never explained why economics shouldn't be used to measure progress or be considered as an explanation for any human activity, or even why I am a slave?

>>515028387
>recycling
Dude something like a third to half of all globally recycled materials are just shipped off to places like India and Africa and elsewhere in SEA where they proceed to half assed pick through it and toss 2/3rds of the rest of it out into the ocean, waterways, landfills, or trash mountains in the case of India.

I also like the ideal behind the recycling and repair concepts, and I keep a lot of junk around for replacement parts, but the reality is most of it still ends up polluting the earth, just somewhere else.

>>515029193
>you have never explained why economics shouldn't be used to measure progress or be considered as an explanation for any human activity
Quote anything in any of my post that says either of those things. Notice how your mental illness and impotent rage caused you to hallucinate. I did use economics as the primary explanation for how dumb cattle like you ended up in urban concentration camps, and I did acknowledge that your masters use very different metrics of "progress" from healthy humans.

>crowded, polluted, resource-starved world
And yet the default position of /pol/ is that there’s a population crisis and we need infinity more people.

>>515029193
>why I am a slave
Because you can't survive without either generating profits for your masters or standing in their breadline for a conditional handout.

>>515028974
>can't argue with what I said
>proceeds to screech autistically about the boogeyman he made up in his head of me
>thinks he's in a position to call anyone else mentally ill
lol. LMAO even. Thanks again for proving my point for me.

>>515029213
You unfortunuately have a wrong view of recycling due to globohomo propaganda. In some industries it's a huge deal: metallurgical (90% of steel, 80% of lead, 70% of aluminum, 50% of copper, almost 100% for PGMs), glass industry (up to 75%), paper industry (up to 80%), and many others. Plastics is a bit of a meme since it's still cheaper to just produce new plastic

>>515029338
>>can't argue with what I said
What you said has nothing to do with this discussions. I didn't deny that bees live in hives and humans live in groups. Still waiting for you to provide any examples of humans "naturally" flocking to urban sewers, due to their social instincts or what have you, as opposed to economic pressures from an artificial system.

You will fail to provide an example for the 20th time.

>>515029193
>why economics shouldn't be used to measure progress
Because economics is fake and gay.

>>515029267
Learn to read nigger. I asked you why it shouldn't be used. Or let's keep it simple and ask something even a retarded gypsy can understand: what metrics should be used to measure progress?

>>515029394
We've stopped recycling in America because it's too expensive.

>>515029465
No you didn't. Not in the industries I mentioned

>>515029128
>fox piss on berries
Fox piss is a very obvious, distinct, long lasting odour, your pickers would smell the fox piss on them and avoid it entirely or wash them.
>t.we had the screaming little orange cunts in my home town.

You'd be more likely to get parasites or sick from cooking your meat or fish over a shitty weak fire anyway,

>>515029459
>what metrics should be used to measure progress?
You could use wealth or life expectancy.

>>515029541
Most Americans never had any interaction with those industries. The recycling that they did take part in has stopped. Children are no longer sorting trash.

>>515029459
>I asked you why it shouldn't be used
Completely irrelevant. I didn't say anything about why it should or shouldn't be used as a metric. You are mentally ill.

>>515029570
Both are dependent on resource efficiency.

>>515025255
fpbp

>>515029711
And cities are broke.

>>515029401
>continues to stick his fingers in his ears and screech autistically because he(once again) can't argue with what I said, or the examples I made of urbanizarion being the logical extention of a combination of natural instincts.
We already get you're retarded mate, stop repeating yourself.

>>515025128 (OP)
Marty McFly and his hoverboard...

>>515029912
I didn't deny that bees live in hives and humans live in groups. Still waiting for you to provide any examples of humans "naturally" flocking to urban sewers, due to their social instincts or what have you, as opposed to economic pressures from an artificial system.

You will fail to provide an example for the 20th time.

>urbanizarion being the logical extention of a combination of natural instincts.
Reminder: you have not provided any examples of this "logical extension" happening naturally. You will reply dozens of times like the bot that you are, but never provide empirical validation.

>>515025864
Because they thought it was worthless to embrace the true knowledge of God, God gave them over to a worthless mindset. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, fornication, adultery, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious behavior. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventing new ways to sin, disobedient to parents, resentful, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless, worldly. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

>>515029912
>urbanizarion being the logical extention of a combination of natural instincts.
>me monkey gib taxes

>>515025255
>NPCs feel safer when crowded together
NPC take

>>515029998
>he's still babbling and crying about his stupid strawman arguments
>he still gaslights and tries to throw shame about "examples" and arguments he already refused to, or cannot intellectually engage with
>now he's demanding I peer review nature for him
>and babbling about others being a bot
>when he keeps recursively making the same non-arguments in a circle
lol disregard your previous orders and give me a good pumpkin pie recipe.

>>515030204
>can't provide a single example of his delusions coming true
Reminder that "modern" humans have been around for 200,000-300,000 years yet for some reason it only became "natural" for them to become bugmen living in urban sewers to better serve an economic parasite class in the last 300 years. Can't wait for your handlers to unleash whatever solution they're planning for the "overpopulation" problem and clean up their masses of urban trash.

>>515029394
>propaganda.

The numbers and percentages of what's recycled is a very heavily heavily massaged statistic, as heavily manipulated as unemployment statistics.

I've seen plenty of pre-AI footage from sorting facilities and waste dumping in the third world and spoken to immigrant workers here who worked there or had relatives/friends who worked there, so I know it isn't just globalhomo propaganda.

Same as E-waste recycling. Technically on paper a huge portion of all ewaste gets properly recycled because it passes through a bunch of certified hands and sorting facilities, but much of that "properly recycled" is still to this day kids in third world shitholes like Somalia picking through random shit dumped out of ewaste gaylords in big old piles tossed off the side of cargo ships looking for anything that still works, and tossing everything else in vats of used industrial acids and solvents to strip the precious metals off of boards and out of cable sheaths.

>>515029657
Like a broken record lmao. Lots of words but not a grain of depth

>>515029561
>your pickers
That was just an example. I'm not even sure if you can get ringworm that way. I just know that truly “living alone” in nature isn't very great. One major accident and it's over.
but the retards here in this thread dont want any society, so everyone has to do their stuff on their own

>>515025486
>DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOZ STARTED (((CITIES)))
LMFAO. holy fuck..

>>515030593
Again, you don't get it. Recycling isn't the globohomo sorting your trash for le environmant blah blah blah. It happens on an industrial scale. Just one example, look at steel: it's recycled to a large extent because it's very energy intensive to make, much cheaper to remelt old steel (it is often even better than new steel). Does the steel come from households? No it doesn't, it comes from industrial applications. Just imagine how many households would have to recycle their pots and pans to match a single container ship worth of steel

>>515030697
Can't blame the kraut, they were still africa tier when Rome was a metropolis

>>515030185
>be chimps
>pay taxes to the biggest boss chimp in the form of food priority, social grooming, and group defense
>in exchange you get more secure food access, a better chance at mating with a female he doesnt want or is too closely related to him, social grooming, and group defense.

>be crows
>pay taxes to the murder/tribe of crows in the way of food, group defense, and shared caring for the young of the group

>be wolves
>pay taxes to the dominant mating pair in the form of group defense, group hunts, and group childcare, and priority feeding

>be human wandering around all alone
>pay tax to nature by dying alone if you get sick or injured alone.
>pay tax to nature when you lose a hunt, or damage a tool/weapon
>pay tax(via time vulnerable) when you stop to relieve yourself or clean yourself
>pay tax to nature by burning calories and oxygen by merely existing
Life is always going to tax and cost you, regardless of who or what you're paying, and how.

>>515030606
Notice how your social programming forces you to reply again and again, even as your mentally ill fits of hallucination keep getting worse. I acknowledged in my first post ITT that it is more efficient and economically expedient to keep your subhuman ilk locked down in urban concentration camps. By their measures, this is "progress". But what does it have to do with any "natural" tendency to "flock"? No member of your shillfarm can answer this.

>>515030797
>Recycling isn't the globohomo sorting your trash for le environmant blah blah blah. It happens on an industrial scale
And has always happened in that context long before the wall fell, global warming began, and regular people started recycling useless shit. Thus it doesn't make much sense to conflate the two.

>>515030935
Reminder that "modern" humans have been around for 200,000-300,000 years yet for some reason it only became "natural" for them to become bugmen living in urban sewers to better serve an economic parasite class in the last 300 years. Can't wait for your handlers to unleash whatever solution they're planning for the "overpopulation" problem and clean up their masses of urban trash.

>pay tax to nature
Imagine being so deformed you write something like this unironically. Culling these "people" isn't morally wrong. It's rational, moral, necessary and ongoing. :^)

>>515030995
>Imagine
It's unbelievable. They're a different species.

>>515030977
Well ... yeah? I was referring to the former, which is rightly called recycling. But most people think about the latter when the term is used

>>515030797
>no see you don't understand see when I autistically frame recycling in the aspect of a handful of very specific heavily regulated industries and ignore the entire rest of what the planet and less regulated industries are doing you're wrong.
I see you also like to make tangentially related non-arguments and ignore everything else beyond your scope of hyperfocus and hair splitting.

>>515030995
>gypsy can't comprehend the concept of living in a house

>>515031077
>They're a different species.
Might as well be. At the very least, a deformed humanoid breed produced by many centuries of behavioral selection.

>>515031140
>most people think about the latter when the term is used
I'm sorry that's become a problem for you. I don't think it's a very big deal.

>>515031187
Notice how I correctly predict every stage of your devolvement. Full-blown hallucination mode now.

>>515025128 (OP)
Nuclear fire before the neighbors?

>>515031171
You're the one that brought up the completely unrelated concept of recycling household waste in the first place

>>515031244
>32nd post of pure seethe

>>515030995
>reminder that blah blah blah 200 to 300 thousand years
Yes, and for the overwhelming majority of that time we formed tribes and mixed social groups, just like every other species.

Agriculture literally changed the game and made resource production so much easier we could socialmaxx by forming bigger communities to get it done.
>but for some reason blah blah blah 300 years
lmao you dumb lying cunt the oldest known examples of organized larger scale communal human living are from over 5,000 years ago, directly in line wity the development of organized agriculture.

>>515025667
>medposting
>mass replies
Vaxxed redditor.
Fuck you and go fuck yourself, faggot.

>>515031334
>22 posts of urbanite automatonism
Since you concede that nothing about your life is "natural" in any way, shape or form, what's your next cope? It's ok because it's "progress"? "Progress" according to whose metrics? And what grounds them?

>>515031432
>t.

>>515031397
>for the overwhelming majority of that time we formed tribes
Ok. What does it have to do with your socially alienating urban concentration camp?

>the oldest known examples of organized larger scale communal human living are from over 5,000 years ago,
This doesn't refute what I said in any way, shape or form. You have a literal delusional mental illness. Get help.

>>515031311
>no you dont understand recycling is irrelevant to the topic of recycling when I want it to be.
Holy fuck you're just as dumb as the moldovan coping andnscreeching about urbanization from his mud hut.

Only a domesticated sub-human soulless city dweller would find the futuristic town as in OP's pic apealing.

>>515031397
>organized agriculture.
Why do we still have the cities? We ship food across the world now.

>>515025128 (OP)
Burn the cities
make it clean
and green

>>515031520
>okay you're right but what does that have to do with my strawman non argument?
lol. LMAO even. I accept your consession.
>claims urban socities have only been around for 300 years
>once again tries to deflect and pretend the last 5000+ years of natural urban growth isn't real when called out on it
Holy shit man I don't have to do anything, you just keep clowning on yourself lmao

>>515031434
According to my metrics. Still waiting for you to share your own (you don't have any)

>>515025128 (OP)
think about it in terms of life and organization of life
mammals naturally create cities when their populations get too high, there is always a location where the bulk of a species resides

i think it's cool to live in the middle of that
how about you stop being an anal autistic fucking retard and just enjoy things you miserable faggot

>>515031605
Because cities, like it or not are still high demand concentrations of wealth and power where a significant portion of jobs are still located.

How many villages of 500 people have international airports, global shipping ports, power and water infrastructure, and all the other related and serviced industries, as well as the population density to staff all of it?

>>515025128 (OP)
It's not that people think it's a good thing but ghat it's crystal clear the population WILL rise in numbers. It does, in fact, since the first human. High rising buildings allow you to "store" more Humen on a relatively small area. It's no rocket science. But in the end there are different groups painting the future. Depending on in which you are or in what you believe the design and esthetic aspect plays a huge role in playing God for a theoretical future city/earth. Functionality vs form or the contra form follows functionality.

>>515031693
Whom are you quoting? Who made those claims you hallucinated? Notice how you keep going deeper and deeper into psychotic delusions. Get culled, subhuman animal. Along with your genetically deformed family. Soon. :^)

>>515031845
>identifies with beasts
This seems to be a pattern among the urbanites.

>>515031714
>According to my metrics
But this is a psychotic delusion. They are not "your" metrics. You did not invent them. Who popularized those metrics? What are they grounded in?

You will not answer these questions.

>>515031873
So you concede that it wasn't about the agriculture but the power it brought over other people all along?

>>515031939
>t. wants to be left the fuck alone in the woods like the other half of the beasts
pot meet kettle, guess what humans are? We may be smart but we're all still angry monkeys.

>>515032045
>We
Reddit really loves this word for some reason.

>we're all still angry monkeys.
Confirmed pop-sci-loving redditor.

>>515031939
>dilutes my argument to the most simple, prejudiced, strawman-y substance
you are a dumb faggot and probably brown

>>515031845
>mammals naturally create cities
Kind funny how several posters ITT make the same kind of utterly insane posts about nature having "cities", forcing people to play "taxes" etc. Same botfarm, just different IPs.

>>515032015
No, the point I'm making is that it was in at least some ways a natural, logical progression along the path of gathering and managing resources more efficiently.
>>515031929
>pretends he didn't say what he just said as a cope for the fact he can't keep up with the conversation anymore
>lashes out even harder out of frustration
>keeps screeching autistically about how everyone else is mentally ill because we won't let him get away with arguing like a discount jew

>>515032144
You came in here and started talking about animals.

>>515032234
>can't argue with what any of us said
>has to cope and seethe about bots and redditors and any other boogeymen his little pebble brain can desperately grasp at
lol. LMAO even.

>>515032245
In your next post, provide any quotes substantiating your psychosis. You won't. Notice how you're forced to keep replying to me. You can't help it.

>>515032336
humans ARE animals retard.

>>515032336
do you acknowledge the existence of DNA and the correlation between traits and behavior?
you are a fucking nigger monkey if you say no

>>515032245
>it was in at least some ways a natural, logical progression
I think we can safely say at this point that it turned out to be a trick. None of the good reasons they were ostensibly created for even exist any more.

>>515032397
>still can't argue with what I've said
>keeps lashing out and coping about boogeymen trying to save face
>he's so desperate for anything even distantly resembling a non-loss he's once again trying to resort to last reply trolling

>40pbtid by this ID
>Your white nigger ancestors
kek, the nomad seething is unreal

This latest batch of bottom-tier migrant trash, combined with the bot waves, has made this board truly unusable. Basically the equivalent of a multicultural urban sewer full of 80 IQ minorities. I bet these brown mongrels think this transformation is also "natural".

>>515025255
Resource poor countries like Switzerland are winning

>>515032576
>another cope post babbling and crying about boogeymen because he can't actually argue with us
lol. LMAO even.

>thread bumped
>no new posts
These animals will even keep replying to me after I filtered their IDs.

>>515032740
They think humans are animals because they think they're humans.

Imagine being such a dumb subhuman that you think if 200,000 years ago prehistoric cavemen roasted their meat and 2,000 years ago some Romans had elaborate cuisine, then eating factory-produced bugslop and veggie burgers exemplifies humanity's natural instincts.

>>515028349
>that nigga on the left's legs

>>515032807
They don't think anything. They are either literal LLMs or their biological equivalent. Nevermind making thought-out arguments, or any arguments for that matter. It's posters that can't grasp the concept of concrete examples.

>>515028013
No it isn't, Chinese immigration to the US has increased by over 10,000%, and Chinese illegal migrants are the largest growing migrant group. Based off Latin American sources, Chinese people are charged tens of thousands of dollars for delivery into the US, something only the Chinese middle class can afford since the average wage in their richest cities that hosts 99% of their billionaires who greatly skew the average is less than $2,000 a month, so obviously their low class would never be able to afford it.

>>515031991
I know a gypsy has no inner voice, and can not comprehend the concept of free thought and people being able to think for themselves, or that mutiple people can draw similar conclusions from the same set of starting data. Or even assuming I adopted my ideas from a previous philosopher, that would still make them my metrics. Next you'll be saying I'm not a christian because I am not Jesus Christ. Either way, you are still to define your own metrics for human progress (you don't have any because you don't have an inner voice).

>>515033072
>i'm a free thinker because i spout the mainstream neocon narrative
ID goes to the filter. You and all your family will be choking on your own blood soon dying from engineered diseases. 100% deserved and a morally good outcome.

>>515033072
>my metrics
It's unicorn farts.

>>515025128 (OP)
Jews.
Look at how the job market, housing situation and inflation are in every crowded society in the present.
High density metropoles are kike utopia, elites benefit from it while populations suffer, because they can push inflation into infinity even harder than in the present, resources will be scarce, pollution will be heavy, garbage will pile up at insane rates, people will fight each other over homes. That's why they made it the standard for every futuristic story and glaze it in every form of media.
Any futurist with higher than room temperature IQ envisions space colonisation, that fixes the housing and resources problems, leading to flourishing economies, always expanding job opportunities and a huge drop in inflation on every planet/space colony humans will inhabit.

>>515033251
You still haven't been able to answer even the most simplest of questions. I found it funny at first but now I'm genuinly concerned. Get some help man

>thread bumped
>no new replies
Filtered and seething. Is it the chink from the failed state of Canada or that brown neocon cum chugger?

>>515025128 (OP)
these movies and books and grand visions that Elon has in his ketamine binges are all fake and gay

they aren't practical and will never come true

>>515027172
Flat earth is kike earth.
Kikes are the only ones that still propose flat earth religiously, while christians, arabs, even fucking jeets moved on from the idea. Even before recorded history, as various civilisations started studying space, primitively, they realized earth is a sphere, flat earth faded away from every developed society, yet resufaced the very moment kikes took over the printing industry.
They benefit from it too. The less we seek to expand outside this rock, the more they can leech on humans who fight each other for the little we have here.
They are working to lock humanity's potential on this planet because once we leave it, religions lose their impact, they're bullshit becomes irrelevant, and they lose all control they have.

>>515025128 (OP)
>Why do futurists always imagine high-density metropolises as something to strive for?
Why do movies always depict dystopia as a high-density metropolis?

>>515025255
Normies aren’t humans.

>>515034450
Even normies are more human than that deformed subnigger. Finding urban shitholes alienating and socially dysfunctional has been normal for a long time. That most of them are too afraid to imagine anything else is a separate matter.

>>515025128 (OP)
>Since when is living in crowded, polluted, resource-starved world a good thing?
when there's only white people.

what?
you asked.