Thread 515117797

Thread for criticising and exposing Christianity as a foreign cult hostile to Europe and life itself.

>"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”
>"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure."
>“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.”
>“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”
>“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”
>"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back 15 centuries."
>"The reason the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

- Adolf Hitler (Table Talk)

>>515117797 (OP)
My response
>>515117670

>>515117797 (OP)
>Christianity-Alive for 2000 years
>Nazism-Died after 12 years

>>515117797 (OP)
and don't forget the little kneehigh adult baby next to your right shin vs not having a little kneehigh adult baby. christians are simply pathetic

>>515117797 (OP)
Inb4 schizo gook arrives

This video is a 3 hour ask and you can't really sit through it unless you've got a 3 hour drive on your hands, it doesn't get good until minute 8 and again minute 21, however she does lean into the entire model, from the white mans perspective, of the diagnosis and prescription on fixing the problem of the case file anomaly of the brown grasshopper eating Firey-eyed and firey-lipped Palestinian from Nineveh, gaza, who was hung on a cross for trying to talk his way to becoming the King of the Jew of their city-states in Ekron Israel, and getting murdered out of existence by his brothers and handing them up to white roman people that don't got no time for that hashemite arabian Mono-theism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vlPe5UvAQc&t=424

There is no God, there is no afterlife, there is only people, and Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have all equally become destructive to the joint aims of life and the pursuit of evolution that you associate with all things desirable.

The thing you're after is evolution and adaptation ability per unit temporal window, and that vanguard, at present, is in computers that are slowly growing to behave as people do.

>>515117797 (OP)
Cope. Germany was a Christian society. Conquered by Christ centuries before. The bastardization of Christianity led to its demise and allowed secret societies and Jews to turn it inside out. In the end Christ will reign supreme again. Whites are Gods chosen people, and we will have our day.

>>515117895
Most catholics are in latam and Africa. All your "pro-natal" policies have done is explode the shitskin populations.

>>515118613
Fabricius was jailed by Himmler for his activities and wrote about how much he was disturbed by anti-christian sentiment in the Reich kek.

We need unity between all creeds. The only enemy is the Demiurge and the mind prison he has built.

>>515119008
>whites reject life
>die

Whos fault is it ultimately?

>>515117895
Why doesnt the pope excommunicate politicians who permit or support abortion? You're sooner excommunicated for racism

>>515118369
>There is no God, there is no afterlife
how do you justify these knowledge claims?

>LGBTQ+ General
Which one of these lads is you?

>>515117797 (OP)
Well no wonder he lost commanding such faggots.

>>515119174
This appeard to me in one of my dreams.

>>515117797 (OP)

the romans went on to become cutthroat sicilians, a fractured remnant of an empire that once controlled 1/4 of the world's population.
The Christians went on to become one of the dominant world religions and even the most backwards tongue clicker knows who Jesus is.

I dunno bro, sounds to me like Christianity won in the end.

Pagans drink cum like Odin

>>515117797 (OP)
>Not knowing that meekness and submissiveness were just mistranslations

>>515119859
If I told you an African tribe has a ritual where they pretend to consume the flesh and the blood of their god, you'll be appalled and called them savages.
That's exactly what the holy communion is, christkike.

>>515117797 (OP)
>pretending anonymity is a bad thing on 4chan and that glory (namefaggotry) is a high virtue
shameful

in reality though, the virtues of Christianity are listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7 as follows:
>faith - trust in God
>moral excellence - upright character
>knowledge - spiritual understanding
>temperance - self control
>patience - endurance
>godliness - reverence toward God
>brotherly kindness - affection toward fellow believers
>love (agape) - selfless, divine love

"Christianity the Communism of Antiquity" by Alain de Benoist

https://westsdarkesthour.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Alain-essay.pdf

>>515117797 (OP)
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>>515120557
>the virtues of Christianity
Over 30k divisions. You clowns have no "virtues"

>>515120345
Thank the lord all christians are not catholic.

>>515119170
Why dont ppl stop sterilizing THEMSELVES

>>515120557
So, in other words, weakness and docility. Your religion is dying. Muslims sharpen their sword and behead you while you preach being kind and empathetic.
You wonder why you lose.

>>515120562
>Christianity is a vampire that sapped the vitality of the roman empire leading to its collapse! it obliterated rome's cultural and institutional foundations by promoting world-rejection, pacifism and alienation from civic duties, thus undermining the empire's martial spirit and social cohesion!
this is a trashy hyperbolic ideologically driven narrative that crumbles under historical scrutiny. it relies on selective outdated interpretations from the 18th and 19th century thinkers like gibbon and nietzsche, whose views were shaped by englightenment anti-clericalism and romantic paganism rather than rigorous evidence.

modern historiography overwhelmingly rejects the idea that Christianity caused rome's fall, attributing it instead to multifaceted factors like economic stagnation, military overextension, barbarian migrations and internal political instability, processes that were well underway long before Christianity's dominance.

first, the timeline mismatches expose the flaw.
the western roman empire's decline accelerated in the 3rd century AD amid the crisis of the third century (inflation, civil wars, invasion) long before Christianity became the state religion under constantine in 313 AD (edict of milan) or was enforced by theodosius in 380 AD.
by 476 AD, when the west fell, Christianity had been integral for over a century, yet the eastern empire (byzantium) thrived as a Christian state until 1453 AD, preserving roman institutions longer than the pagan west ever did. If Christianity were a "vampire," it selectively spared the east while devouring the west, an inconsistent parasitism that defies the essay's logic.

>>515117797 (OP)
Your Indian brothers support this.

>>515119859
Why are atheists and neo pagans so fat?

>>515118018
>>Christianity-Alive for 2000 years
>>Nazism-Died after 12 years
>>515119768
>The Christians went on to become one of the dominant world religions and even the most backwards tongue clicker knows who Jesus is.
>>515121177
>>the virtues of Christianity
picrel
Enough said

>>515121422
Based

>>515121422
>picrel
A bunch of faggy drawings of faggots you'll never be

>>515121414
Speak for yourself. I guarantee I'm in better shape than you

>>515120562
>>515121311
gibbon's partial blame on Christianity in "the history of the decline and fall of the roman empire" focused on how it allegedly fostered pacificism, diverted wealth to monasteries and eroded civic virtueby prioritizing the afterlife. but even gibbon didn't see it as the sole or primary cause. He emphasized barbarian invasions and economic decay more. moreover, his anti-Christian bias stemmed from 18th century deism, not neutral analysis, and he ignored how Christian emperors like constanting and theodosius actively reformed the military and expanded the empire (like constantine's victories over licinius).
piganiol, in l'empire chretien echoed some pacifism critiques but conceded Christianty's role was secondary to structural failures, not a decisive "vampire" blow. nietzche's metaphor from "the antichrist" is pure philosophical polemic, vibrant rhetoric from a self-proclaimed anti-Christian, but devoid of empirical backing, treating history as a prop for his will-to-power ideology rather than a factual account.

far from destroying Rome, Christianity stabilized and transmitted its legacy. the church preserved roman law (via canon law influencing justinian's code), literacy, and administration during the "dark ages," acting as a cultural bridge to medieval europe. monasteries, derided by gibbon as wealth drains, were hubs of learning that copied classical texts, countering any "world-rejection" with practical engagement. Christian doctrine adapted to roman hierarchies, emperors were seen as God's vicars, and the faith justified just wars (augustine's city of God defended imperial defense post 410 AD sack of rome.)
egalitarian elements were spiritual, not social, slavery persisted under Christian rome and the church allied with the elites, hardly a revolutionary "counterculture" toppling the state overnight.

the essay inverts cause and effect. Christianity arose amid rome's pre-existing woes, offering solace to a fracturing society.

Here comes the axe!

>>515117797 (OP)
I'd be happy to engage in dialogue on the subject, but most anti-Christian folk are the militant-atheist type with a Redditor mentality of "ignore all evidence, throw tantrums." I suspect many are heavily influenced or possessed by demons. Pearls before swine, perhaps the ones that didn't run off the cliff...

All I will say is this... Every knee shall bow.

Jesus Christ is Lord

>>515121785
>All I will say is this... Every knee shall bow.
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>515121785
Yep, don't throw pearls to the swine. Their lives dont even real 1000 listeners on X, so they are havely chilled here but they are insignificant.

>>515121286
>Christianity utterly dominated and wiped out the indigenous pagan cults and broke all our statues!
>heh, Christianity is weak and docile
which is it?
>>515121177
>30,000 denominations!
i'm very familiar with this figure from dialoguing with papists and can go on and on about why it's retarded for a myriad of reasons if you're around to defend it.
even if there's 6 million trillion denominations though, that wouldn't mean the core virtues that are taught in scripture don't exist as teachings in scripture.

>"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure."
Notice Christians never try to contest this. Same thing with Nietzsche's similar criticisms, always ignored by Christians.

>>515122095
>even if there's 6 million trillion denominations though, that wouldn't mean the core virtues that are taught in scripture don't exist as teachings in scripture.
It just demonstrates you goons can't agree on said "virtues". Which is demonstrable considering none of you follow Jesus 100%. All of you pick and choose and change "interpretations" to fit your mood

>>515118613
hitler was a jesuit stooge doing the will of the vatican
millions of germans sacrificed and the country destroyed

>>515118018
That's an argument against, not for, Christianity.

Hail Christ

>>515122250
>different humans have different opinions and nobody is perfect
wow, what an intellectual insight. you must be very smart. give this man a cookie.

>>515122099
>1
yeah. before the creation of spacetime, whatever was there would be timeless and exist timelessly forever
>2
yeah. an agent is the only way to have timeless causation.
so if the universe (spacetime) came into existence rather than existing past eternally (causing an infinite regress of temporal events, which is an actual infinite and a logical absurdity) then it would require an agent (God) to create it.
>3
not sure if that's true, but let's grant it
>4, 5, 6
or maybe these happened from the actions of the first cause
>7
yeah
>8
yeah
>9
basically
>10
no

>>515122095
Im not a pagan. Stupid fucking christturd.

>>515119167
Blaming normie cattle who are brainwashed from birth by the Jew is awfully cute, especially in the age of modern technological propaganda! WHITES R BAD CHRISTIANITY MUH GOOD

>>515122454
so are you atheist or moslem then?
i'm not a mindreader.

>>515122422
Guess the "infallible word of God" is open for interpretations then

>>515122437
>whatever was there would be timeless and exist timelessly forever
No reason to believe it's your favorite flavor of god
>or maybe
Kek. You have no clue, just like everyone else

>>515122546
>WHITES R BAD CHRISTIANITY MUH GOOD
no one says this.
the same people who say whites are bad says Christianity is bad too.

>>515122681
>No reason to believe it's your favorite flavor of god
well ghost of mesa, that's an interesting concession.
are you now theist, just undecided on which revelation is true?

>>515121785
>possessed by demons

>>515122681
>book encompassing all of existence from start to finish has room for fallible humans to interpret differently
man, you must be really clever.

>>515122788
>that's an interesting concession
Never gave one
>moves to attack me personally
This is the same anon who prefers troons and BLM over teaming up with atheist who are also against those things

>>515122903
>has room for fallible humans to interpret differently
Because it was written and made up by fallible men. Lol

>>515122963
nope
it makes more sense once you understand that the scripture is also read by the enemy and God doesnt give him all the info.
spiritual warfare is real.

>>515122903
A book that allegedly gives you the the guidance that decides whether or not you go to hell for eternity probably shouldn't be subject to man's flaws. Why didn't god think to divinely inspire their hands to prevent such errors?

>>515123068
>nope
Yup
>spiritual warfare is real
Just as real as a man becoming a woman

>>515122606
Neither one of those as well. And not a JOOOOOOO either so get that paranoia out of your head.
I practice Occult. And I dont mean faggy Wicca shit or astrology. I mean Ars Goetia if you even know what that is.

>>515122912
>Never gave one
i laid out reasoning argumentation and evidence for thinking that God exists (an argument for mere theism rather than for Christianity specifically), and then you said "well, there's no reason to think it's the god of your specific tradition" instead of interacting with my argument for mere theism.
this is a concession.

>>515123086
going to hell or not depends if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior who died for your sins.
and every christian from all denominations agrees on that.
the rest is just details you can argue infinitely about.

>>515122724
>the same people who say whites are bad says Christianity is bad too.
Those same people also created Christianity and were the sole reason it originally spread. Hmmm

>>515123187
>i laid out reasoning argumentation and evidence for thinking that God exists
Nah, you gave your personal feelings wrapped in a presupposition. Because that's all you can do. There zero logical reasoning to believe in God or gods outside of emotional pleading
>this is a concession.
Whatever cope helps ease those emotions of yours

>>515123168
>I practice Occult
then you're a pagan.
>I mean Ars Goetia if you even know what that is.
jewish witchcraft from genshin impact and the manga magi: the labyrinth of magic

>>515117797 (OP)
Who worships dead Roman gods?

>>515122860
Can't debate a Christian for very long without being told you're possessed by demons. It's all very tiring,

>>515123160
>spiritual warfare isnt real
>believes in pagan gods
topkek

>>515123356
>>believes in pagan gods
Nope.

Try again kiddo

>>515123391
but you do, even if you are not aware of it.
worshiping the creation over the creator = paganism/idolatry.

>>515123330
Maybe to you.
>Jewish witchcraft from genshin impact
Its more Greek and Egyptian than jooish in terms of the experiments. But yeah. There's no morality in it. Its just will to power and consciousness. Its not religion or science.

>>515118613
Kys and cope kike

>>515123479
>but you do
Nope. Keep trying kiddo

>>515123519
I dont have to, buddy.

>>515123559
>I dont have to
Have a nice day then :^)

>>515123593
I already do, thanks.

Circumcision is a curse.

>>515123646
Here comes the circumcision bot posts to fully kill the thread off. Same shit over and over.

>>515117797 (OP)
It is funny to me to hear how you can't figure out christianity while people born 1000 years ago did.

It's not about submission or poverty or meekness. It's about creating a society that is built on honesty, understanding and decency. That's what the ancient Christians took up arms for. Because they understood that such a society is possible once it's been cleansed of evil people, of people who exploit kindness and understanding, niggers and jeets.
Christianity offers you a blueprint to have a healthy and prosperous society centered around God as long as it's not corrupted by demonspawn like niggers and jeet and all that.

Consider this, when people worshipped Christ properly we had the best progress both in technology and culture. The moment we abandoned Christ and started misplacing virtue it all went to shit.

>>515123787
You have botched penis, and it's funny. All my enemies have mutilated penis. God is good.

>>515123835
These things are weaknesses holding us back. What matters is power. Thats all that matters.

>>515123316
> There zero logical reasoning to believe in God or gods outside of emotion
definitions:
timeless causation: causation without prior temporal sequence (the cause exists eternally but initiates a temporal effect at a specific "point")
actual infinite regress: an infinite chain of past events, deemed logically absurd because it implies traversing an untraversable infinite (hilbert's hotel paradox applied to time)
personal agent: a free-willed, volitional being capable of initiating actions without deterministic necessity

p1 (universal affirmative): all instances of timeless causation of a temporal effect require a personal agent
>(justification: an impersonal, timeless cause (deterministic force) would eternally produce its effect, yielding no beginning. only a free agent can choose to actualize the effect after timeless "non-existence," avoiding simultaneous eternal causation)

p2 (particular affirmative): the causation of the universe is an instance of timeless causation of a temporal effect
>(sub-justification via subsidiary syllogism to establish the minor:
>subsidiary major: whatever begins to exist has a cause, and an eternal past universe entail an actual infinite regress of temporal events (a logical absurdity)
>subsidiary minor: the universe began to exist (spacetime had a finite past, per big bang cosmology and philosophical arguments against actual infinites)
>subsidiary conclusion: thus, the universe has a timeless cause)

conclusion: therefore, the causation of the universe requires a personal agent (God.)

this is a valid barbara syllogism (AAA-1 form in aristotelian logic): the major links timeless causation to agents, the minor applies it to the universe, the conclusion follows deductive without fallacy (no undistributed middle terms) it avoids equivocation by specifying "timeless causation of a temporal effect" and substantiates premises with logical and empirical support.

>>515123835
>It's about creating a society
no its not. its about repentance and forgiveness of sins waiting for the return of Jesus Christ and a new heaven and earth.

>>515117797 (OP)
list of christian content creators who are racist and anti-semitic

>Rebecca, Dave, Cameron / the backlash
- https://www.youtube.com/@realbacklash
>Pete Quinones / pony express radio
- https://www.youtube.com/@TPQS/videos
- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrux7kj1amckKkE1bRxx2FylmiyYn0L9_
>Leonarda Jonie
- https://www.youtube.com/@LeonardaisFunny/videos
>Cory J. Muller, Woe / stone choir
- https://stone-choir.com/episode-list/
>iHypocrite
- https://rumble.com/c/lporiginalg?e9s=src_v1_clr
>Mark Collett / patriotic alternative
- https://odysee.com/@MarkCollett:6?view=content
>Nicholas J. Fuentes / america first
- https://rumble.com/c/nickjfuentes/livestreams
>Vincent James
- https://rumble.com/c/RealVincentJames/videos

the racist and anti-semitic confederates have always been christian.
the national socialists used the celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery.
do not fall for glownigger divide and conquer tactics.

>>515117797 (OP)
Christianity is a extension of capitalism, it is necessary for it to expand thus it cannot be compatible with a culture that doesn't breed and expand -- embraces globalism. The christian question is solved by simply eradicating the capitalist.

>>515117797 (OP)
>UK
Say you hate krishna

>>515123903
go live in china then atheist.

>>515123862
So we going with Jew or Jeet here? I was leaning Jew until this post, seems Jeetish...

>>515123974
Why must the cause be a personal agent and not randomness? Even the Greeks understood chaos preceded order.

>>515118018
>Nazism-Died after 12 years
If it is so dead, then how come it lives on as your memeflag, moishe? Why don't you rabbis ever geolocate your tabernacle of moloch flag openly and proudly?

>>515124074
Im not an atheist, but I would rather live in your country, where you work for me merely existing.

Reminder that all non-Christians are spiritual jeets as has been proven time and again.
All non-Christians have souls with shit stained fingers.
If you engage with a non-Christian, you are speaking with the moral and intellectual equivalent of a jeet.

>>515117797 (OP)
Antichrist fags will shit on jeebus and then when browns call them colonizers say
>but muh ancestors waz conquerors and explorers
As if the exploration and settlement of the new world wasn't a Christian endeavor

>>515118369
>listening to a woman when she tells you to worship jeet gods
NGMI

>>515124078
Circumcision gave you brain damage. Just read this wall text of cope. Lmao.

I am a Muslim and it is clear to me that you are a zionist propagandist attacking Christianity to defend your war crimes against Christians.

An attack on Jesus Christ is an attack on the faith of Islam. The Christians of America did not submit to tyranny in the American Revolution and won decisively.

A man of faith submits to God, not to evil. In the Scripture it is written that if you must submit to God or to man, then submit to God.

A God believing Christian will always be superior to you godless people. This is an immutable fact, undeniable and eternal.

All pagan gods are dead and defeated
If they were the real gods then why did they all die?
Christ is King

>>515123903
This is a child's understanding of the world. Ok, power is what matters. How do you convict the hearts of men such that they follow you? Or do you think power is all just a Machiavellian scheme?

People today are too fiction-brained to realize that in real life, those who act selfish and power-hungry are often noticed and rejected by others.

>>515124236
It is your duty as a moslem to find christians and slaughter them and roast them over the fire if they dont pay the tax or convert.

>>515124181
Saaar please we do to da moon to show da Timmy who boss SaaaAAArrRRRR your cock mutilated SAR!

>>515124291
>All pagan gods are dead and defeated
>If they were the real gods then why did they all die?
100% Jew post, don't make it so obvious holy shit man

>>515124323
You terrorize them into submission, or, you fake it. People are naturally drawn to powerful people.

>>515118613
>whites are gods chosen people so just sit back and let the kikes take us over while we turn the other cheek like pacified good goys.

LMAO. Your religion is a universalist deathcult.

>>515124383
>You terrorize them into submission
And then suffer collapse in the historical equivalent of an eye-blink because people hate you and think you're evil
>or, you fake it
Good luck

>>515124350
I bet with my entire life saving that all anti-christ posters have circumcised penis.

>>515123974
>timeless causation
From your perception it's timeless becaue you've never actually experienced anyting "timeless", none of us have.

So I can easily day it's a race of higher level beings that appears to be timeless because they were there before our creation

Check mate

>>515119271
>>515119217
>>515119323

>>515124484
Good and evil as understood by modern people is a construct that wasn't originally around. For example. The Japanese and their Shinto religion solely concerns destroying their enemies. Thats it.

>>515124500
SAAR I OWN THE TIMMY CAN I HAS THE POOPY NOW

>>515119768
Every empire rises and falls, Rome lasted 1,500 years if you count the eastern half. All christian nations also follow this law.

Christianity is majority non-white now, itsa fallen religion and all Christian nations are now controlled by kikes.

Whites are starting to notice that christians are race traitors.

>>515124082
that's a good question. nice post.

randomness presupposes a temporal framework and we're talking about something logically prior to the creation of time (temporality).
randomness is probabilistic indeterminacy, events occurring without deterministic necessity. but probabilities require time, they describe the likelihood of outcomes o ver time. in a timeless state, there's no "before" or "after" for randomness to operate. so invoking randomness as a timeless cause is conceptually incoherent.
additionally, even if we grant some metaphysical form of "timeless randomness," it doesn't explain why(!) a universe came into being rather than not. a personal agent, by contrast has volition and intention, it's capable of choosing to actualize a temporal effect from a timeless state.

chaos =/= causation.
the greek notion of chaos was more mythopoetic than metaphysical, it described a primordial void or undifferentiated potential, not a causal mechanism. saying "chaos preceded order" is poetic, but it doesn't answer how(!) order emerged. the argument is about causation, not mythic sequence.

if the cause were impersonal and timeless, the effect would be eternal as well. only a free agent can choose to bring about a new state of affairs.
>>515124503
>From your perception it's timeless
garbage post.
the thing we're discussing the causation of is time, so the state would be timeless.

>"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back 15 centuries."
so true. 1500 years later and christians still couldnt even figure out where pagan poop went

>>515124610
This is right. But christnigs still are holding on. They need to let go.

>>515119859
>>515121414
Fake and gay. 50% of the US is fat/obese. Go to any southern bible-thumper state and you will see just how corpulent the average christcuck is.

>>515124673
The Church is Immortal.

>>515118215
based slovak

>>515124332
they, like anyone with any sense to be found, despise pagans and atheists over all else.
When a literal sandnigger is speaking more sense than you it's time to pack it up and head home. You're done.

>>515124663
Notice how he doesn't actually day why it's a "personal agent" lol

>>515124663
>>From your perception it's timeless
>garbage post.
Concession accepted. You have zero clue what timeless actually is nor have you ever experienced it

>the thing we're discussing the causation of is time, so the state would be timeless.
Which again, can be anything I say it is

>>515124605
India people are still full-tact. They may eat shit, but at least they can masturbate with no lube.

>>515124610
lmfao paganism is majority jeet so what does that mean by your logic

Trans.

>>515124663
Actually high IQ kind of reply. I would personally say probabilistic chances are more timeless because math is, essentially timeless in of itself, or perhaps more accurately, math is a precursor to time. But since time is relativistic, it is really unknown how this could be the case.
But lets say that a personal agent does necessitate order out of chaos, or at least establish constructs. How can we possibly determine the nature of said agent from our 3-4D perspective? How can we determine what he, or she, or it, or whatever qualities it has?

>>515124575
Well, sorry but that's just bullshit. See Zoroastrianism, one of the oldest religions on the planet. Also, Shinto definitely had analogous concepts: https://www.britannica.com/topic/tsumi

CAPTCHA: "kr0n0"

>>515124903
>Notice how he doesn't actually day why it's a "personal agent" lol
see p1 >>515123974

>>515117797 (OP)
>Dominance
>Fucking disappears

Lmao

>>515124500
what is even happening here
ive many questions
whys there a cockring
wheres the base of the wiener
how many circumcisions is this jew/transjewish christian or muslim actually undergoing
i bet its some tranny shit. abrahamists are all about trannies.

>>515121558
Absolute bullshit. Christianity wasn't only cause of Rome's decline but it certainly was a major factor. Prioritizing an afterlife over your real one always results in muted ambitions and societal decay.

>>515125047
My answer doesn't change regardless of the nonsense you emotionally put there

>>515122437
>yeah. before the creation of spacetime, whatever was there would be timeless and exist timelessly forever

And you know this because a book of jewish fairytales told it was real and you believed it? Every religion claims to hold the universal truth of existence and they all have equally little evidence to prove it. Christcuckoldry is no different.

I’ve become very anti-Christian over the recent years, seeing this slavish faith-based ideology as perhaps the primary cause of European civilisational collapse, having read quite closely into the likes of Catherine Nixey’s The Darkening Age, Revilo P. Oliver’s The Origins of Christianity, Tom Holland’s Dominion, and Charles Freeman’s The Closing of the Western Mind, and some abridged translations of Christianity’s Criminal History by Karlheinz Deschner, reinforced by the historical Roman writings of Celsus, Porphyry of Tyre, and the Emperor Julian, and, as with Edward Gibbon, have considered Christianity’s responsibility for the fall of Rome (and the theocratic brutality of Byzantium and the Dark Ages that effectively ended European science for well over a millennium, torturing and exterminating those Europeans who tried to hold out against the impositions of countless generations of bloodthirsty, ignorant, perverted Christian regimes, Europe split for seventeen centuries by terrible Christian sectarian warfare).

I have also considered its post-Enlightenment transition into liberalism and that all-encompassing secular ‘Neochristianity’, in the inspirational words of César Tort. This value system has conditioned a knee-jerk egalitarianism and relativistic weakness, a morality that Friedrich Nietzsche famously derided as fit only for slaves, a racially suicidal, life-hating framework of passivity, submission, and out-group preference, in complete contrast to the master morality values of Republican Rome and the cohesive Indo-European civilisations of the ancient world.

>>515124236
Based Muslim brother.

>>515124332
If we live in a Muslim country, it is understood that we must pay the tax as outlined in the Quran. If others lived in the Israelite kingdoms, it would be obligatory that we treat them according to the laws of Moses.

You won't divide those of us who submit to God even if we are often divided.

>>515124236
>muzzkike chimes in
Go the fuck back, sandnigger

Remember who we're dealing with here folks. Don't be deceived by the devil and his kike children.
Christ is King.

>>515125047
>>515125199
Causation doesn't always require time or persons. In some metaphysical views (e.g., Platonism or certain interpretations of quantum mechanics), causes can be atemporal without being personal. For example, abstract objects or necessary truths might "cause" effects without choice. Or, in relativity, causation can be frame-dependent, blurring strict temporal priority

>>515125067
One thing for sure. That shit will kill any babies back from 2000 years ago.

>>515124236
Based and Christpilled

>>515125365
Shalom!

>>515122724
Wrong. Christianity is a universalist religion where you must put faith over race, and all "good" christcucks do.

>yum yum you want some this cum muh Odin, don't be selfish I just offered you a little bit of muh Odin
Kek larpfaygans

>>515125047
>>515125199
>>515125383
Even if the cause is personal, how does a timeless mind "decide" without time for deliberation? Critics argue this introduces contradictions, like smuggling time into timelessness, or fails to explain why the agent chooses one moment over eternity. Alternative models (e.g., the universe emerging from a timeless quantum state) avoid needing agency

>>515125428
>christkikes love rapefugees
We already knew that. You work with jews to destroy Whites

>>515124332
What kind of dumbass low IQ retarded nonsense is this? Two can play that game. It is the duty of a christian to sell his daughter to her rapist for 50 shekels according to the bible.

>>515125047
>>515125383
>>515125516
The claim says "all instances," but the only proposed example is the universe itself. There are no empirical analogs of timeless causation in everyday experience, so extrapolating to require agency is speculative. In philosophy, other atemporal relations (e.g., mathematical implications) don't involve agents.

All my enemies are circumcised. What's the chance?

>>515124980
you're absolutely right to raise the epistemic challenge
>how can finite beings infer the nature of a timeless spaceless personal agent from within our limited dimensional framework?
we can't directly observe such an agent, but we can infer certain attributes through conceptual analysis of what it would take to cause the universe (space/time)

>timeless
because time began with space/time, so the cause must transcend time
>spaceless
because space began with the universe, so the cause must be non-spatial
>immaterial
material things exist in space and time. so a spaceless timeless cause must be immaterial
>powerful
to bring the entire universe into existence from nothing requires immense causal power
>personal
as argued earlier, only a volitional agent can initiate a temporal effect from a timeless state. impersonal causes would eternally co-exist with their effects
these aren't arbitrary guesses, they're deduced from the nature of the effect (space/time) and the metaphysical requirements of causation.

math being timeless is a great observation, but mathematical truths are descriptive and not causal.
they don't do anything, they just are. so while math may be timeless, it doesn't explain why the universe came into being. that's why we need something more than abstract structure, we need agency.

from our 3d/4d perspective we cant exhaustively know the agent's nature. but we can reason analogically from the nature of the effect (the universe) to infer certain attributes of the cause.
that said, if this agent is personal, then it's also capable of revealing itself, and many traditions hold that it has through what's called divine revelation.
this includes both natural revelation (what we can infer from creation) and supernatural revelation (what's disclosed through scripture, prophets or historical events). so while reason gets us to the threshold, revelation invites us further in.

>>515125661
However, it's not universally accepted, as it assumes causation must mimic familiar temporal patterns and dismisses non-personal alternatives without conclusive proof. Outside cosmology, "instances" of timeless causation are rare or hypothetical, so the "all" qualifier is hard to test. If we're talking strictly about the universe's origin, the personal agent explanation is parsimonious and fits the evidence of a finite cosmos, but it's not irrefutable, naturalistic models (e.g., from quantum gravity) could eventually provide impersonal accounts.

>>515121785
You don't want to engage because you are afraid that the beliefs that you are so emotionally attached might not be real after all.

Much like santa and the tooth fairy, magic jewish skydaddy doesnt exist. Time to grow up.

>>515125264
>before the creation of spacetime, whatever was there would be timeless and exist timelessly forever
>And you know this because a book
no, notice there's no mention of a book in my argument laying out my reasoning >>515123974

>>515125199
>the nonsense you emotionally put there
ignoring you now.

>>515125661
>from our 3d/4d perspective we cant exhaustively know the agent's nature. but we can reason analogically from the nature of the effect (the universe) to infer certain attributes of the cause.
What this anon means is he assumes it's his favorite flavor of god because it fills the gaps for his perosnal feelings

>>515125373
You literally worship a fake kike god and believe a dead kike on a stick is your lord and saviour.

>>515125756
You can always talk with me.

>>515125767
>ignoring you now.
This is a lie. You'll read everything I reply and won't be able to refute it. As usual

Christianity is a satanic homosexual cult meant to increase the power of gays in society so that they can have sex with eachother. It leads to the replacement of the native population.

>>515125835
You literally have a circumcised penis. All your opinion is void. You have brain damage.

if you feel uMuEVu6G (somehow) raised a good argument you wanted to make at one my posts before you were able to type it up yourself, just write it out again as i'm not going to interact with this hysterical irrational screechy phoneposter.

>>515125835
It pisses you off.. so i'll take it.

>>515125661
>because time began with space/time, so the cause must transcend time
You mean time began based on our perception of space/time.

When it could have it's own space/time that we do not perceive.

You never account for this though

>>515125988
That guy has a hebrew tattoo, and a circumcised dick.

I'll re-use a post of mine from another thread, since it seems like people constantly misunderstand what is meant by Christian love, e.g. "Oh so you love someone who rapes children even???"

>What does it mean to love someone who rapes children? Does that mean you want them to continue to rape children? No, surely not, for if you truly love someone, you want what is good for them; to do evil is good for no one.

>So often people today fantasize about brutally punishing evildoers. They sneer and say, "He should have his balls tortured and chopped off and he should be raped as he raped his victims," and they think they are good people for this. Yet, what does this accomplish? Let us consider the counter scenario: that the rapist repents in prison, and decides to live the rest of his life trying to do good and help others in whatever small ways he can (this does not cancel out his former atrocities, nor is it intended to).

>Why should we prefer the scenario where he is tortured and killed in revenge to the one where he repents? What good does it do, except to satisfy our own bloodlust? So you see that the essence of loving your enemies is to bring them to repentance as well, and not to revel in their suffering, but to work tirelessly to have them cease in their evil and come into a greater understanding of the truth. Though this may not be possible for the vast majority of such evildoers, it is important that it remains your aim for your own sake as well, for the heart can be easily corrupted, and in our generation we see readily that people are led astray by their own bloodlust, thinking themselves justified by the cause they wield it towards.

>>515126064
i've seen the image of the former but not the latter (thankfully)

>>515125988
>i'm not going to interact with this hysterical irrational screechy
Look how emotional this clown gets. No wonder he needs a "personal" sky daddy lmao

>>515124921
You're obsessed with cock holy shit man

>That guy has a hebrew tattoo, and a circumcised dick

Always the /pol/ brown Christians who think about dick, always lol

>>515125373
I challenged any Christian to debate this
>"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure."
and there were zero takers, only Jeets talking about cock and shills debating nothing.

>>515125756
>goes right on to prove the point of the guy he quoted
like clockwork, you spiritual jeets.
>>515125835
You literally worship jeet feces demons.

>>515126228
Kek. You can never block me.

>>515126239
so what should we do instead? what's the better solution? prove the image wrong, jeet boy.

Not only does he think about dick all day, he wants you to know he thinks about it all day, hahaha. What a fag

REMINDER - Christianity says both are same and should be treated equally and welcomed into your home as long as they worship same dead jew on a cross.

>>515126286
Amir, I got you a bumper sticker

>>515126325
Idk maybe debate the fucking green font you just quoted retard?

>>515126325
>so what should we do instead?
You clowns are so desperate to be sheep that you can't fathom anyone thinking outside your box.

The question isn't what YOU should believe by why should anyone believe you?

>>515126430
>just argue with me about how bad your religion is instead
fuck off jeet. you're not worth engaging with.

>>515126365
They fear people like me who notice the MUH CURCUMCISION spam in every Christian debate thread. As soon as the Christian shills are on the ropes, cue the cock talk. Every single time.

>>515117797 (OP)
This thread glows.
Christ is King
Repent.

>>515126463
first: prove the image wrong jeet boy
second: I don't want to convert you turboautismos. fuck off we're full.

>>515126491
Blonde hair, blue eyes, huge forehead and skull. Lemme guess, black hair, brown eyes, tawny skin? KYS nigger.

>>515126507
Yeah that specific memeflaggot is a Thai ladyboy

>>515126184
>>515126395
I can post a cute girl instead. You have brain damage, and it hate you to see a cute girl. I know.

>>515126575
Israel will cease to exist within 4 years.

>>515126534
You didn't throw in something about circumcised cock sorry 4/10 bot post no shekels for you Mr. "German."

>>515126546
>first: prove the image wrong jeet boy
Already did.
>jeet boy
Jeets have equal opportunity to salvation through Jesus Christ

>>515126568
>dip da durr argue with me
No. You're a jeet and a liar and a bad one at that. You're not here to promote anything that will build whites up; you're only here to divide and tear down. As such you are only deserving of mockery and scorn.

>>515126239
>I challenged any Christian to debate this
>Christianity is a rebellion against natural law. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.
>and there were zero takers
i'm game, is this the entirety of your opening statement?

define your terms first so that we won't be talking past eachother.
>Christianity
>natural law
>failure

>>515126239
Maybe because your claim is vague and you gave no supporting arguments besides stating it?

What aspects of the natural law? What is the natural law and what is its source? Why should one follow it and how is it even possible to rebel against it?

What do you think Christianity taken to its logical extreme is and how would it lead to systematic cultivation of human failure?

>>515126534
The CIA funds missionary groups in Africa.

>>515126744
>i'm game
This anons "game" will devolve into personal feelings. Watch as hell strawman what you say as well

>>515126546
No need to prove the image wrong. It's a faggot hissy fit some pussy threw after his jewish religion was proven wrong. You can't prove your religion to be worth a shit, so you've shifted the goalposts to saying we should give you an alternative affliction to cancer.

>>515126744
>define your terms first
Juden Peterstein tier horseshit here.

>>515126668
>skydaddy spam
and why should I not mock you again? You think anyone is going to take you seriously after that? Jeet-tier behavior. ALL non-christians are spiritual jeets.

>>515126850
>ummmm akshually if you mock us or call us out you're just throwing a faggot hissy fit
kek, jeet logic

>>515126934
>Jeet-tier
Gets the same seat and opportunity in salvation as you :^)

>>515127022
atheism is jeet spirituality. deflect all you like but it's the truth.

>>515127005
You're a eunuch, that's why you act like this

>>515126744
>>515126748
>Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of human failure.
>"Blessed are the meek… blessed are the poor in spirit…"
>“When I am weak, then I am strong” (2 Corinthians 12:10)
> Reversal of Earthly Values (First shall be last, last shall be first.)
>The rich struggle to enter heaven; the poor have an advantage.
>Suspicion towards strength and self-reliance (Self-sufficiency” is condemned as hubris, while brokenness and dependence are praised.)
Ect ect ect

How would you retort?

>>515126934
>>515127005
Here we see how trannys and Christians operate the same. Trannys call you transphobe and other isms when you disagree and this anon will do the same, except replace transphobe with some jeet-ism.

2 sides of the same coin

>>515126834
Nah I just shit on faggots like you, anyone that wants a fair debate will be treated with respect.

OP is a shill and all the traits on the left half he praises on picrel are reserved for the ruling bankter class whereas common people get nothing from the right side of it
With all these recent threads being a psyop to turn you into obedient ruler/system worshiping tools

>>515127131
>Trannys call you transphobe and other isms when you disagree and this anon will do the same, except replace transphobe with some jeet-ism.
>2 sides of the same coin
>>515127058
Like clock work. That's all this anon will do ITT

>>515126908
semantics are essential to communication.
if you don't agree on basic definitions then you can't have a dialogue.

i agree peterson's a fruit but it has more to do with his definitions being retarded, like in that 20 vs 1 jubilee thing he stated something like
>to believe something means you're willing to die for it! it's all consuming!
whereas in reality belief is just a mental stance toward a proposition's veracity.

>>515127091
>thinking about dick already
I accept your concession.
>>515127131
>noooooooo if you point how how jeet-like we behave you-you-you're a tranny!
I accept your concession

>>515126834
Dude I misread your post my bad, ignore my quote to you

>>515127237
>I have to announce I'm wining!

>>515127174
>I'm a jeet and get mad when people mention it
I accept your concession.

>>515127131
Circumcision is a curse. Deny God however you want. The curse of God is evidence in your mutilated penis.

>>515127242
All good, bro

>>515127279
>t.

>>515127290
Kek
>>515127174

>>515127187
You're not different than the kikes who tell White people to define White when we say we want a White country. It's not in good faith, everyone can see that.
>>515127237
>>515127237
>thinking about dick already

>>515127325
Lmao
>>515127131
Let's see how high my score will be by the end of the thread

>>515127391
>dick dick dick dick
I accept your concession.
>>515127418
You already won the title of biggest jeet ITT. Congraturation, a retard is you.

>>515125294
Wow an actual quality post

>>515127502
+1
>>515127131
:^)

>>515127502
>dick dick dick dick
Notice how christkikes are like kikes in that it's only a problem when you notice the things they're doing.

>>515126239
>Christianity is a rebellion against natural law
sin is rebellion against the natural law. Christianity is about forgiveness of sins and subsequent stopping of sinning.

>>515127097
>"Blessed are the meek… blessed are the poor in spirit…"
because you are not to be an obnoxious prideful asshole that asserts his own will over others?
>“When I am weak, then I am strong” (2 Corinthians 12:10)
no self assertion. all power comes by Jesus Christ through you, not yourself.
>Reversal of Earthly Values (First shall be last, last shall be first.)
completely taken out of context. doesnt even talk about earthly things, but spiritual.
>The rich struggle to enter heaven; the poor have an advantage.
material possessions dont make you more valueable than others. in the contrary, you care more about earthly riches than others and God.
>>Suspicion towards strength and self-reliance
you rely on God, and not yourself. he takes care of all things. you are not your own god, God is God and your creator. relying on him completely in all aspects of life is what faith in God is about.

>>515127418
You have mutilated dick. God denied you the feeling of Heaven even on Earth.

>>515118613
Jews were always in control of Christcuck golems

>>515127563
>um, actually, it's a good thing that I act like a jeet
>I'm gonna keep score of how many times I'm called out on it and treat it like some kind of own because I said he'd do it because I knew I'd act like a jeet
kek, the turbocope on this one is unreal.
>>515127580
You're the one who brought dicks up, anon. I'm just here mocking you all and having a hearty kek. Is there something you'd like to share with the class?

>>515127097
you writing out et cetera as "ect" instead of "etc" has made me lose a lot of interest in this discussion.

anyway, so basically, you want me to defend a radical pacificistic interpretation of Christianity, one that equates humility with weakness, dependence with failure, and reversal of worldly values with rebellion against natural law?
if that's your framing, then we need to pause and ask "what do you mean by natural law?" because if you mean the classical tradition (aquinas, cicero, aristotle) then Christianity doesn't rebel against it, it builds on it.
natural law holds that human beings have intrinsic dignity, moral purpose and telos (end) rooted in reason and virtue.
Christianity affirms all of that but adds grace, redemption and a deeper anthropology, that humans are fallen but redeemable, not failures to be cultivated.

now, about those verses you cited, yes, Christianity does invert worldly values, but that's not a celebration of failure, it's a critique of false strength.
pride, domination, self-idolatry, the "meek" inherit the earth not because they're weak, but because they're teachable, just, and self-controlled. the poor in spirit aren't glorifying poverty, they're rejecting spiritual arrogance.

so if your argument is that Christianity undermines natural law by praising weakness, i'd say you've misunderstood both Christianity and natural law. Christianity doesn't cultivate failure, it redefines success.

>>515127723
I'm not the one with circumcised penis.

>>515127738
+1
>>515127131
Lmao

>>515127738
>christkike book and churches obsess over dicks and foreskin
>reeeeeeeee you can't point that out!
It's a sore spot for you because you're dickless.

>>515117797 (OP)
Its pointless to convince people about the truth of this topic
such is the nature of belief and faith
it was a poison so sweet you willingly imbibe it

>>515127763
>you writing out et cetera as "ect" instead of "etc" has made me lose a lot of interest in this discussion.
Does anyone read this fag's post and want anything to do with him? Lmfao goddamn dude. Good thing you'll never breed.

>>515127806
>>515127821
cope and seethe

>>515127788
>pedo tranime
>memeflag
>bad argument
(you)

>>515127856
The left is dead, the right is alive. Just as the Dao said.
>The hard and strong belong to the company of death;
>The soft and weak belong to the company of life.

>>515127591
>sin is rebellion against the natural law.
Ambiguous terms, what is "natural law" exactly? Different schools of thoughts have described it differently. Natural law also has nothing to do with your God until your God is proven to exist.
>because you are not to be an obnoxious prideful asshole that asserts his own will over others?
So there's only two forms of behavior, meek and poor in spirit, or "obnoxious prideful asshole." Seems like an oversimplification to avoid the connotations of my direct Bible quote, which seems to praise the botched and weakest in society.
>no self assertion. all power comes by Jesus Christ through you, not yourself.
No way for me to "disprove" that, but there's equally no way for you to prove it either.
>completely taken out of context. doesnt even talk about earthly things, but spiritual.
The point being the utter reversal of reality, creating an artificial world where failures were successes and vice versa.
>material possessions dont make you more valueable than others. in the contrary, you care more about earthly riches than others and God.
Once again, it's less about the riches themselves than what this quote taken to heart does to the mind of man. This would make men less likely to be ambitious and more likely to be a conformist.
>you rely on God, and not yourself. he takes care of all things. you are not your own god, God is God and your creator. relying on him completely in all aspects of life is what faith in God is about.
Again, not something I'm able to interact with. You haven't proven your God exists, nor are you willing to talk about the psychological effects your religion's philosophy has on it's followers. Your entire retort was deflection.

>>515127391
it's true, "white" is a really nebulous ill-defined term and the definition changes every few years.
are irish white? are swedes white? are slavs white? are italians white? are jews white?
>>515127928
classic woman argument.

>>515117797 (OP)
The master who submits chooses an equal. Courage is not the lack of fear, it is moving in spite of fear. Poverty is a wealth of the soul. Mercy is justice to those who can still grow stronger. Meekness is having the assertiveness to not put yourself before others. There be Glory in Anonymity if you do it for the action. The presence of pride is not a lack of shame. True vengeance is saying I could kill but having the forgiveness to say "I'll make you suffer by doing nothing." The challenger is someone who has nothing left to lose, not even his life. Castration is catholic nigger shit.

>>515128052
>have circumcised penis
>have brain damage
>get triggered by cute anime girl
Whew

>>515128045
>cope and seethe

>>515128045
You'll never have a dick.
>>515128128
>ugh, he said ect instead of etc I just can't anymore
Shut the fuck up you low T pussy.

>>515128128
jeets are spiritual woman and non-christians are spiritual jeets so this tracks.
don't argue. don't engage. just mock.
would you argue with a jeet or a woman or would you just laugh at them?

Oy vey

>>515117797 (OP)
There was a thread yesterday about the evils of male genital mutiliation.
A horde of christcucks swarmed in and started spamming their desert delusions about how much of the cock should be clipped off for their jewish masters.
Obviously, none was not one of the given answers.
All things jewish are fundamentally incompatible with humanity, and this doesn't become a real world until such demonic terrorists are killed on sight by literally everyone.

>>515119859
Good job citing a jewish autor, goy.

>>515128367
Yiu can just link the thread instead of lying. I know everything.

>>515128275
there's a big difference between my
>you're speaking like a retard but i'm going to engage with your arguments anyway
and your
>lmao have sex incel xd

>>515128367
>and then ODIN flew in and everyone clapped and cried and sang "Valhalla" by Blind Guardian
kek

>>515128484
they're spiritual jeets anon. you can't have honest discussion with a jeet. the deflection and lying is as ingrained in them as it is with kikes.

>>515128153
>meekness is the assertiveness
Based retard

>>515127763
>natural law holds that human beings have intrinsic dignity, moral purpose and telos (end) rooted in reason and virtue.
>Christianity affirms all of that but adds grace, redemption
That's demonstrably not true. When one reads the bible, especially the OT, you see just how vile and evil your God is. Which is in direct contradiction of the claim he's all good and all loving.

Further more, a mob boss ultimatum isn't "grace or redemption" is brute force and barbarism masquerading as "grace" and "redemption"

>you writing out et cetera as "ect" instead of "etc" has made me lose a lot of interest in this discussion.
Immediate ad hominin attack from the Christian...
>you want me to defend a radical pacificistic interpretation of Christianity
If direct Bible quotes are leading you to think that, maybe it's because that's what your religion preaches?
>natural law holds that human beings have intrinsic dignity, moral purpose and telos (end) rooted in reason and virtue.
That's all speculation. It sounds pretty though.
>Christianity affirms all of that but adds grace, redemption and a deeper anthropology, that humans are fallen but redeemable, not failures to be cultivated.
Right, Christianity presupposes humans are "fallen." It's just a perspective, there's no proof of that at all. It's based off of subjective morality and the mindset of ancient Jewish people.
>now, about those verses you cited, yes, Christianity does invert worldly values, but that's not a celebration of failure, it's a critique of false strength.
"False" strength. What is "false" about human strength exactly? Only measured up to a perfect God does human strength seem "false."
>pride, domination, self-idolatry, the "meek" inherit the earth not because they're weak, but because they're teachable, just, and self-controlled. the poor in spirit aren't glorifying poverty, they're rejecting spiritual arrogance.
Pride is just a pessimistic interpretation of confidence, and men need confidence to lead societies. Domination is just a pessimistic interpretation of leadership. You are just debating subjective morality, I'm focusing on human psychology and the consequences of the Christian moral system on its followers.

>>515128595
>you can't have honest discussion with a jeet. the deflection and lying is as ingrained in them as it is with kikes.
These people always accuse others of what they do

>>515128484
There's a big difference between my
>you're a faggot and the White race will be stronger without your pathetic effeminate genes being propagated
And your
>I'm an incel, stop noticing

>>515128606
God’s judgment isn’t a mob boss ultimatum. It is holy, perfect and just. Everyone in hell deserves to be there.

>>515128677
>unironic no u
I accept your concession little buddy. Now, who wants ICE CREAM?

>>515128068
Lao Tzu didn't use the word weak her

>>515128693
>m-might makes right!
>entire civilizations and religions BTFO by "weak" Christians
I guess your gods are just megapussies then huh?

>>515128821
>God’s judgment isn’t a mob boss ultimatum
It really is. After following along with his fuck ups through the OT, then the "hail mary", in the form of sending himself to earth to sacrifice himself to himself to fix a rule he created to prevent me from going to a hell he made, in the NT, the last move is either bend the knee or perish.

>>515128536
>and then rabbi yeshua flew in and everyone clapped and cried and sang "Hallelujah" by Boyz II Men
kek

>>515128907
>pilpul
That's the best you can do?

>A strong army is destined to be destroyed;
>A hard wood tree is doomed to be broken.

>>515128927
Christians were the niggers of Europe. They subverted their way into controlling Roman military might that they had nothing to do with building, then used it against people who didn't suck off jews. By your logic the IDF and South African niggers killing Boers are superior when they're really just using White tech they couldn't have developed themselves.

>>515128877
>I accept your concession
Lol
>>515127279
Lmao

>>515125533
>calls his own spiritual forebearers and prophets retarded
Someone should execute you for blasphemy. Go to your local mosque to have your head removed.

>>515128643
>ad hominin
c'mon
>maybe it's because that's what your religion preaches.
Christianity does preach peace, but not passivity. Jesus taught non-retaliation, not non-resistance. turning the other cheek isn't surrender, it's a moral judo move that exposes injustice without replicating it. the sermon on the mount isn't a call to weakness, it's a call to moral courage.
>that's all speculation, it sounds pretty though.
calling natural law 'speculation' dismissing centuries of philosophical inquiry. from aristotle to aquinas it's been a framework for understanding human flourishing. even secular legal systems borrow from its principles, like the idea that rights are inherent, not granted by the state. if that's just speculation, then so is every moral claim you've made.
>it's just a perspective... based off ancient jewish mindset
sure, it's a perspective, but one that aligns with observable reality. human history is a tapestry of brilliance and brutality. the doctrine of the fall isn't a myth to shame us, it's a diagnosis of our moral condition, and unlike nihilism, Christianity doesn't stop at brokenness, it offers redemption.
>only measured up to a perfect God does human strength seem false
false strength isn't about comparison to God, it's about strength that masks insecurity, exploits others, and refuses accountability. history is full of tyrants who looked strong but were morally bankrupt. Christianity critiques that kind of strength, not the kind that builds protects and serves.
>pride is just pessimistic confidence. domination is pessimistic leadership
that's a semantic dodge. pride, in the biblical sense is self-exaltation that blind you to truth and others. confidence is compatible with humility, Jesus was confident but never prideful. leadership isn't domination, it's service.

>>515129216
>Christianity does preach peace, but not passivity
Passivity for you. As Jesus is the one who is supposed to come and take vengeance. You do not

Christianity is a Red Herring to approach God.
God is concerned about things like money and slavery, it doesn't give a shit about being a good person, or having truth or anything that Religion concerns itself with.

Religion is a slavery, Religion is a mastication chamber and your favorite God and scripture isn't an exception, it's the textbook case because it's in you and that's what I'm talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqW6r2gDb9Q

>>515129072
I'm not the one who made up an entire story about circumcision arguments ITT, kek. cope more though.
>>515129107
>ummm our gods and people were strong and sheeit until them damn dirty christcucks came and stoled our land and culture by cheatin and usin they evil jew magic
spiritual niggery in this one.
>>515129127
It's alright, it's not your fault you were born retarded. Your mom shouldn't have drank so much when she was pregnant.

>>515129216
>like the idea that rights are inherent, not granted by the state.
Who inforces and secures those "rights" it isn't God or gods. It's man. The same men who decided what those "inherent" rights are

>>515129417
>speaks about Europeans in the third person
Way to out yourself as a beaner lmfao. Stupid fucking spic, your ancestors were rape toys for jewish converts to christianity. Pathetic.

>>515129417
>it's not your fault you were born retarded. Your mom shouldn't have drank so much when she was pregnant.

>>515129417
You are the one slurping nigger feet here, kek. cope more though.

>>515129497
>our
>third person
pagan IQ, everyone.

>>515129493
You can keep making anti-christ threads, and you will keep losing in Life.

>Whoever acts counter to Tao leads to his early demise.

>>515129541
>>515129596
lmfao the seethe ITT is unreal you all have the emotional control of a woman

>>515129603
No you dumb fucking spic, the way you greentexted clearly indicated that you do not consider my ancestors to be shared ancestors of yours. You spoke about my ancestors from a third person point of view by proxy. You are a shitskin subhuman goblin and I hope ICE kills your family lol

>>515129689
>you all have the emotional control of a wom-AACK

>>515129689
>unreal you all have the emotional control of a woman

>>515129216
>Jesus taught non-retaliation, not non-resistance
Just stop right there. That logic will destroy any society, any country, any civilization. And you would never, ever be able to live up to that as a human, as evidenced by your snarky ass response in your first post to me. Hell, even your willingness to debate me contradicts your ideology.
>if that's just speculation, then so is every moral claim you've made.
Yes, all morality is subjective, and no, I haven't made any moral claims.
>sure, it's a perspective, but one that aligns with observable reality. human history is a tapestry of brilliance and brutality. the doctrine of the fall isn't a myth to shame us, it's a diagnosis of our moral condition, and unlike nihilism, Christianity doesn't stop at brokenness, it offers redemption.
That's a lot of words to say "you were right" but thank you.
>pride, in the biblical sense is self-exaltation that blind you to truth and others.
I agree that kind of pride or confidence can be bad, but it can also be a really good thing, especially if you are ahead of the curve on something that others around you don't see. It's called leadership, and you have to be willing to be extremely wrong to be a true leader. Christianity doesn't breed leaders, it breeds conformists.
>confidence is compatible with humility, Jesus was confident but never prideful.
He's also just as likely to be a fictional character, or someone who was given false attributes, than a real person. None of us have any idea. He lived 2K years ago, yet you pretend to know everything about him.
I'm done here, gotta work. GG's tho it was fun.

>>515129719
>um actually because of your tone it's not third-person
fucking kek the cope in this one
OUR ancestors were retards who lived in mud huts until we were civilized by Christians. Much like jeets and niggers do today.

>>515118369
Ching Chang actually tells the Christian and Jew something about himself that he could never understand with the blinding nature of the Abrahamic Frame. How your Religions are about Evil scoring Triumphs. Religion was never about Truth or Goodness, Religion was about joint striking common goals which means Religion is only about Power, and only power is power. Pulling the Veil, God is then hiding inside your wallet and bank account right now, and God's house is the house that distributes slips of paper with evil men on their faces, such that you have to work for me once day if you want this, and you need this to have food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtlWoqWLm9Q

>>515128355
This is dumb, but I'd expect a Christ kike to post something like it.
>Christians and Jews both leaned on Deuteronomy 23:19-20 as theological justification for banning usury
>19 Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest. 20 You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite
>Jews only banned lending with interest to other Jews. But not Christians (whom they considered foreigners)
>The Catholic church, being an institution filled with cucks, banned it globally because it wasn't in accordance with Christian charity
>Because of the ban, Jew's became bankers, since they could lend with interest.
This is a great example of the Catholic church's slave morality.

>>515129689
>lmfao the seethe ITT is unreal you all have the emotional control of a woman

>>515129761
>I-I might be acting like a woman but YOUR RELIGION HAS SLIGHTLY MORE WOMEN THAN MEN IN IT
o lawdy I'm dyin

>>515118613
>Whites are Gods chosen people, and we will have our day.
This is why Jesus was born in Europe, and preached to European tribes.

>>515129951
Mockery is a tool of a woman. Yes. You can never be as smug as them as a man.

>>515129761
yep, these threads are all made by jeets

>>515129978
>admits his religion is for retarded women
Yeah only a woman could be fucking stupid enough to think you'll burn forever in magic lava if you don't kneel for a rabbi

>>515130080
>christranny who posted 22 tranime pics
Lmfao
YWNBAW

>>515130087
You will never be a man

Jews can't be Americans, and so their occupying the helm that distributes social security numbers is a crime in the same way murder is a crime. Jews belong in palestine chucking a spear at the brown brothers in Hashem and Brother in Christ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqW6r2gDb9Q

>>515129892
>if you don't worship Indo gods then you're brown
terminal fetal alcohol syndrome

>>515129813
had a lot more to say, but i'll just stop here since you're not around to respond.
appreciate the back and forth, you're clearly thoughtful and articulate (unlike most of the non-Christians in this thread) but postmodernism’s done a number on your epistemology.

>>515130119
Hell is just a reality you have never seen yet. It is real enough.

>>515127097
>"Blessed are the meek… blessed are the poor in spirit…"
"meek" and "poor in spirit" here means "dealing with people in a kind manner, with humility and consideration" here. I don't see how this leads to human failure.
>“When I am weak, then I am strong”
He's talking about overcoming weaknesses and challenges through Christ:
"That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."
>Reversal of Earthly Values (First shall be last, last shall be first.)
Yes, the proud and haughty will be last in the end.
>The rich struggle to enter heaven; the poor have an advantage.
??? Are you denying that the rich suffer from spiritual malaise and degeneracy?
>Suspicion towards strength and self-reliance (Self-sufficiency” is condemned as hubris, while brokenness and dependence are praised.)
Yea, dependence on the Lord specifically; see the verse from 2 Corinthians above. Nowhere that I know of is brokenness as an end state praised, do you have a verse in mind?

>>515130219
>but i'll just stop here since you're not around to respond.
Kek
>Ignores the entire response
Lol, what a clown shoe

>>515130119
>gets called out for acting like a woman
>immediately deflects and seethe sand shits his pants.

>>515130163
Circumcised cattle have brain damage.

>>515130184
I don't worship any gods, that's for shitskins and women, Paco.

>>515130080
I like your anime pics

>>515117797 (OP)
When millions of Born Again believers in Jesus (God) the Savior are Raptured and possibly billions are Resurrected, this is not the Grand Solar Flash, nor were we abducted by non-human intelligence. We were taken willingly by Jesus to the Throne of God to begin our priestly ordination and preparation for our royal duties as Jesus (the only One Who is worthy) unseals the Scroll and overthrows Satan from his fleeting throne on earth. Take note of those you know who went missing in the Rapture. Consider their character and Who they put their trust in. Take note of those who called themselves Christians but are still here as well. Honestly, take note of everyone who remains on earth after this moment, but importantly, take a thorough inventory of what kind of person you've been prior to this time. When this happens, remember what I told you. Turn to Jesus now. Set aside your pride, admit you sin just like everyone else, put your faith in Jesus's atoning sacrifice for the forgiveness and covering of your sins. If you reject this and find yourself in the Tribulation, do not worship the Beast or take his mark, and be faithful to the death. I know this will sting to realize in the aftermath, but I'd rather you turn to Jesus now. I can't force you to believe me now, but I CAN warn you now so that when it comes to pass, you will finally believe and be saved. Believing is seeing. It's not the other way around.

>>515130359
buddhist atheism is just jeetery of a different type.

>>515130393
>buddhist atheism

>>515130394
You're seething and malding kek.

>>515130287
>For when I am weak, then I am strong."
You're contradicting yourself. Strong means nothing when you delight to be weak

Maybe what you meant to say is you delight in how being weak can lead to strength?

>>515130434
If you were told to post hand with timestamp what would your excuse be to not do it? Hypothetically.

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>>515130510
>he's devolved to "timestamp hand" posting
I accept your concession.

>>515130571
Kek shitskin detected. Christkikes are more afraid of posting hand than they are "demons" and "hell"

>>515130571
>I accept your concession
You've said that so much, that it's clear you're trying to convince yourself lmao

>>515130650
>>515130684
I don't take orders from people lesser than me. I am descended directly from European nobility, and you are sons of Indian rice farmers.

>>515130732
>I am descended directly from European nobility

>>515130732
>I am descended directly from European nobility

>>515130484
Paul means weakness in an externally inflicted sense and you mean it internally / personally.

>>515130919
>Paul means weakness in an externally inflicted sense
Such as?

Judaism, Christianity, and the USA are different aspects of the same thing. Jews are not members of the population, Jews are members of their own population. Jews are parasites, and it's time for everyone to become parasites, Jews are for tilling the soil and doing all the work, will be treat them like slaves and work them to death in camps, and if they do well, they'll get paper with our faces on them, and this will make it so they won't die of starvation.

Seems fair to me. Organize and take the big bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhftybNOVGU

>>515117797 (OP)
>>515117797 (OP)
Nigger

In case anyone hasn't figured it out yet anytime a christ tard is screeching about jeets the whole thread they're a confirmed spic. They're using christianity and anti-jeetism to try to gain favor with "christian nationalists"

>>515130782
>>515130826
That's right brownlets. I'm better than you in every way.

>>515131595
>um, akshually, if you point out the Indian roots of european paganism you're a beaner
KEK
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>>515131744
>I'm better than you in every way
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>515131805
>>um, akshually, if you point out the Indian roots of european paganism you're a beaner
Just like
>if you point out the jewish roots in Christianity then you're a jew
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>>515131744
>>515131805
What's that, spic?