Thread 515118263

Fact checking facts about "russification" of Finland
1. Hurr durr Nicholas 2 wanted to turn everyone into Russians.
False: He wanted to liberate Finnish people from swedish aristocracy
>Nicholas II said that the core of Finland’s problem was that "the Swedes are striving to regain their former dominant position in Finland, misleading a broad section of the people. Against such gentlemen, decisive action had to be taken."
2. Hurr durr bobrikov was a dictator who suppressed free speech.
Misleading: He targeted swedes and their allies who were advocating for separatism and called Finnish and Russian people mongol barbarians and were closely associated with Germany which posed a security risk
>Of the 116 newspapers published between 1899–1905, 46 (39.7%) were temporarily suspended and 26 (22.4%) permanently shut down. The language distribution of all newspapers published was as follows: 78 Finnish-language (67.2%) and 38 Swedish-language (32.8%). Although most of the suspended papers were Finnish, the relative share of Swedish-language papers was greater. Of all Swedish-language papers during this period, 30% were permanently closed and 52.6% suspended temporarily, whereas the corresponding figures for Finnish-language papers were 19.2% and 33.3%. In the early phase of mass closures, attention was directed especially at Swedish-language papers, six of which were shut down in 1900, while only one Finnish-language paper was closed.
>In Kotka and Käkisalmi, the closures carried out by the governor-general strengthened the position of the Old Finnish press.
>Arbetaren and, outside Helsinki, Länsi-Suomen Työmies, Kansan Lehti, and Itä-Suomen Työmies did not receive a single warning from Bobrikov throughout the entire period, nor were they ever shut down. It appears that political censorship from Russia had little effect on the workers’ press.

3. Hurr durr muh political repression, muh exiles to Siberia
Misleading: The Finnish government couldn't carry out it's duties of protecting it's citizens and was notorious for hiding terrorists like Lenin and letting murderers go free. Bobrikov had to manually exile criminals because it was the only option left. For example a governor of Vyborg was shot and the assassin got only 3 years in prison and his co-conspirators got away with fine (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Reinikka)
4. Hurr durr Bobirkov tried to force everyone to speak Russian
False: He encouraged his subordinates learn Finnish and significantly improved the position of Finnish language. This myth propably refers to the 1900 manifesto which mandated use of Russian in governors office because after his letters were leaked and he was facing insubordination he brought in his own people who didn't know swedish but were legally required to speak it. This law was made for them and didn't affect anyone in any way. All senators had to do was hire a translator so that Bobrikov could understand them. All in all it was not that important in the context of all his actions. Before Bobrikov swedish was the only official language and he uplifted Finnish language by giving it an official status which is a much more important policy
>Swedish-speaking senators who resigned, were dismissed, or died were replaced by Suometar (pro-Finnish) men, with the result that the senate gradually became more Finnish. A key achievement was the 1902 Language Decree, which, after years of struggle, finally made Finnish formally equal to Swedish as an official language.

5. Hurr durr he was a dicktator
True: While it's true it's important to understand that not all dictatorships are bad and not all democracies are good. Bobrikov had to have signifcant powers in order to uproot swedish aristocracy which occupied Finland for over 700 years. Prior to Bobrikov only 30% could vote and the senate and diet was almost exclusively swedish and couldn't represent the majority of Finnish speakers in any way. Bobrikov used his powers to represent those who were excluded from the decision-making like finnish-speaking workers and peasants. Bobrikov used 2 million marks to acquire land for the landless population and the committee he established distributed 147,000 hectares of land to those without land. It also should be noted that Bobrikov wanted to democratize the system and expand voting rights after he had implemented his reforms but was murdered by a swedish aristocrat before he could do it.

I’d rather have a Swedish world order than a Russian one.

>>515118263 (OP)
Is this true?

>>515118263 (OP)
Should surprise no-one that the richer swedes have more say in how our history is written, and would never cite their own reign as oppression despite practicing the same things. Russians wouldn't be any different though, as soon as they chased their more organized competitors out, they could freely turn against Finns.

>as soon as they chased their more organized competitors out, they could freely turn against Finns.
Use case for doing so?

All you Bobrikov russian fucks will be shot :D:DD

Is that you again Medvedev?

>>515118339
>swedish world order
Both Sweden and Finland were formed by slavs.
>I know you like the fact that sweden is accepting nigger and brown immigrants en masse.

>>515118263 (OP)
Finns and Swedes should be friends!

>>515118735
>All you Bobrikov russian fucks will be shot :D:DD
>Says someone who is identical to slavs / russians and who
>came from the middle of Russia, the Ural Mountains.
>And whos country were literally formed by Russia.

You should have your head examined.

>>515118748
Other way around, actually.
Rurik was Finnish.

>>515118715
Divide and conquer. Conscription wasn't a thing in Finland because of united resistance to it, for example.

>>515118944
Rurik was slav.
He also didn't form anything in Russia, he was invited to Protect existing russian cities.

>>515118944
>Finnish
Identical to slavs by DNA, came from the Ural mountains smack in the middle of Russia.

>>515118953
>Divide and conquer
What does this achieve for the Russians?
Anything an empire could care for Finland doesn't provide.

>>515118263 (OP)
finns are literally serfs to swedes and no one cares

Lol so many people are actually slaves dude so if you pick fruit thats literally what peasents did. If you work on a production line you’re like working the most depressing shit ever. If you cook for a living, and aren’t like Gordon Ramsey tier screaming at shit, you’re like a complete clown you seriously if you tell me you’re a chef im going to beam you in the head with a baseball bat. If you’re doing like literally if you seriously work as a guy who builds anything or works with tools, if you build cars you should probably just kill yourself. If you tell me you build cars im probably gonna beam fucking careful, because your brains gonna be less than mine by a lot you probably have like severe brain damage. If you work in an office or something, yeah maybe. Maybe I guess. Maybe though, so that’s really dependant on what you’re doing. Most office work is painfully simple and boring, and you’re probably talking to ugly old people. Youre all complete losers compared to me, my moms rich and just buys me whatever I ask for because my genes are way more important than yours . I just ate like $1000 for breakfast dude I dont even think about stuff, one of you slaves should do the thinking and I’ll just do the eating and cumming part.

>>515118857
Huutista Ameriikan ryssä :D:DD

>>515119137
Why wouldn't an empire want more divisions to use on the field? During WW1, Russia had 50-100k men just sitting in Finland in case of naval invasion, using manpower and money building fortifications etc. Finns didn't participate in WW1 at all. At the very least, Finnish troops could've substituted russian ones, and Russia would've had at least that many troops to use elsewhere.

>>515119045
The remains of Rurik's grandson and the DNA of several extant descendants have been sequenced and surprise, surprise, they belong to the primarily Finnish haplogroup n1a.
>b-but in a narcotic haze it was revealed to me that Russians wuz everythang
Yeah.

There was no ”colonization” of Finland. The Swedes lived in Finland since the nordic bronze age, which is supported through archeology. If you call that colonization what then are Finns living in Helsingfors, Åbo or Wasa if not colonialists?

>>515118735
t. Bottom of Swedish Overlords

Funny that Borbikov wasn't killed by a Finn. You brainraped cattle have been trained to see the real enemies as your own people. Russian Empire made you people rung higher than the cattle you previously where, but their greatest mistakes was letting the local Swedish elites to remain in power tacitly.

>>515118263 (OP)
so much text

>>515119339
>Cannon fodder
Valid point and applies to NATO too yet no protests.

>>515119504
a pure coincidence that swedes occupy all the coastal areas that are rich in trade and fish, im sure. fucking indians invading swedish clay in Vinland.

2030

>>515119688
>900-years of Swedish rule
>1 major famine
>108-years of Russian rule
>4 major famines, including the worst one in Finnish History

Russians are not humans, they should all be killed :D:DD

>>515119781
Two more weeks.

>>515119693
Those areas had a proven continuation of settlements since the nordic bronze age. According to Finnish nationalists however Åland, which is closer to Sweden than Finland and far away from original Finnish settlements were ”colonized” by Swedes. What really happened was that the christian king of Sweden conquered pagan areas inhabited by Swedish speaking population.

The language difference between Swedish and Swedish-Finnish is almost as big as between Swedish and Icelandic, showing the Swedes lived in Finland way before year 1000.

>>515120009
nigger, the famine in the 19th century was nothing compared to the one in the 17th that killed one third of all finns, if not more. and what were the other 3 famines under russia even?

>>515119781
I for one welcome the superior fingolians to rule over mother russia

>>515120349
>proven continuation
uhhuh. the same with finns, so it's our clay. you got there later, and with violence. we might as well claim parts of sweden to us now since we've had a "proven continuation" of settlement at least since the 1970s.

Sure, sure. Whatever you say. Da, Igor.

>>515120361
rAbbI says this

>>515118748
>Both Sweden and Finland were formed by slavs.
>Rurik was slav.
kek

>>515120620
It’s actually the opposite. The sami and Swedes came first, then the Finns.

all ruskians will be gilled :DD