Thread 515329098

I have often wondered if European elites, on the eve of World War I, were eager to sacrifice a lot of the younger males of the time because those young men were engaged in a lot of social unrest due to their bad working and living conditions during industrialization and its attendant urbanization. All major powers in Europe were spoiling for a fight, Britain and France as much as Germany was. Perhaps the leaders of these countries wanted to decimate and demoralize the young, who became known as The Lost Generation after the war due to their cynicism and low morale, by sending them to die in the millions. Killing off a bunch of the young men is a good way to preserve the system, since it's the young men who are the most likely to cause problems for the system.
If World War III breaks out in the not too distant future, while all the social pressures that have been mounting for decades remain a problem, then it will be a valid question: is the war a means for elites to decimate the young male population, break their spirits and keep them in line?

>>515329098 (OP)
Either feeding hundred of millions of unemployed in 20 years or sending them to frontlines now

>>515329098 (OP)
That would make sense.
Nationalist paramilitary groups like Azov became very popular in Ukraine in 2014 onwards, then the country got in a war where all those guys were killed.

Nazism emerged in Germany, then those guys were killed off too.

Basically anytime the goyim get too uppity, they are thrown in a meatgrinder war against their neighbors.

With an resurgence in global antisemitism, I think the jews are desperate to begin the great reset.

I don't think so, manpower was vitally important. There wasn't millions of useless people like we have today. The men they sacrificed were needed to run the European empires.
I think what ultimately happened is that the war took control of them, as often happens. Once you lose thousands in casualties you can't easily step back. I don't think the leadership truly appreciated the advent of the machine gun and accurate artillery enough, either.

>>515329656
>>515329098 (OP)
WWI was planned by the jews since 1889. It was specifically for the purpose of wiping out all white males, so they could use junkies kikes and hobos and whoever else was left alive to take pver europe with bolshevism. Their plan failed. That’s it.

Gen Z and the Millennials have a lot in common wit the Lost Generation, accept we were not all suddenly killed off in a war, we are being slowly eliminated through economic means. The ruling class will kill off the next generation to retain control in collapsing societies. The Great Recession was our WWI. The result for the West will be the Chinese Century, just like the result of WWI was birthing the American Dream.

The First World War ultimately served the interests of zionism and the occupation of Palestine. You have to remember that the zionist Jews had a complete monopoly over the media and controlled both sides of the narrative.

The Third World War will not be like anything before it. It will be a global holy war, not a geopolitical contest, and it may very well be the war to end all wars and establish peace on Earth.

>>515329098 (OP)
War has always been waged for money and power. Money as in the spoils of war and enriching military contracters even further. And power over other nations and even your own people, as war is a great way to unite your people against a perceived common enemy, and to offer a distraction from pressing issues in the country. Its the whole reason why we may invade Venezuela.

>>515329098 (OP)
yes. the most dangerous thing on planet earth is a group of disenfranchised young men - they call it a "youth bulge". young men without a stake in society will eventually fuck shit up so they either must be sold a stake in society (secure marriage), be exiled to found their own society (pioneer settlers), or be killed off in a war. these are pretty much the only options in order of reasonableness.

>>515329304
>Either feeding hundred of millions of unemployed in 20 years or sending them to frontlines now
Yes, even the advanced countries, or especially the advanced countries, may be overpopulated due to AI and technological changes that, our elites say, will render a huge portion of jobs obsolete. And they say this will happen by the end of this decade, not in twenty years, so there is even stronger impetus to depopulate our countries.

>>515330562
>The Third World War will not be like anything before it. It will be a global holy war, not a geopolitical contest, and it may very well be the war to end all wars and establish peace on Earth.
I agree that WW3 will be unlike any war before, especially since targeted infrastructure attacks, using internet connections, performed by government hackers in the belligerent countries, could take out or severely disrupt money/banking, electricity, running water, petrol pipelines, and pretty much all infrastructure. Using these sorts of attacks would be the obvious first step in fighting a major war today due to their efficiency, low cost, and capacity to cripple the enemy's warmaking power.
But I disagree that there will ever be an end to war. Warring is in our genes, in our nature. It cannot be overcome. The best we can have is periods of peace.

>>515330632
>yes. the most dangerous thing on planet earth is a group of disenfranchised young men - they call it a "youth bulge". young men without a stake in society will eventually fuck shit up so they either must be sold a stake in society (secure marriage), be exiled to found their own society (pioneer settlers), or be killed off in a war. these are pretty much the only options in order of reasonableness.
Very well put
The western frontier was America's answer to growing social pressures back east. "Go West, young man!" was a famous slogan of the time. It meant disenfranchised young men back east should go west to seek their fortunes or some status or a decent place in society, whereas back east most young men had few opportunities.
When the western frontier closed in the late 1800s, the progressive reform movements roared up, concerning living standards and low pay in the factories. World War I helped quell those social movements and the disruptions of having disenfranchised young men.
And I agree, you listed the main options for dealing with a large population of disenfranchised young men in order of their reasonableness. Offering young men a stake is the best option for the young men, but it costs the most, so elites don't like to do this. Exiling the young men is the next best option for the young men, and killing the young men off is the worst option for the disenfranchised young men.

>>515329098 (OP)
One factor yes.
Believing that any large scale happening is caused by a specific group conspiracy is propaganda. The rich gain more by convincing you this is what they intended than if they had really conspired to do this.
Creating big splashes is very difficult. WWIII won't start because x group wants it to, it'll start because the system was a whole is headed in that direction. If it is going to happen there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, if it isn't going to happen there isn't anything anyone can do to make it happen.

It's a big machine with a thousand levers, people with authority get to push and pull on the levers, but no one knows which of the levers steer the thing, or if any of the levers do anything at all.
A great big chaotic mess. And some people expect you to do something about it! What a joke.

>>515329624
azov murdered over 100000 Poles.

>>515329098 (OP)
>due to their bad working and living conditions during industrialization and its attendant urbanization.
85% of the population were peasants and urbanites could more easily dodge the conscription precisely because they had more connections with the right guys working in the govy offices, so no, you're wrong, the ones who died were the ones who posed no threat and certainly not the cause of the war.

>>515332279
By 1914, far more than 15% of Western European populations were urbanites. The Industrial Revolution was already in full swing.

>>515329098 (OP)
What England does not achieve in this war, it will strive for in a second, and if necessary, in a third and fourth; it will certainly not give up, and peace will be just as welcome and useful to its goal as war
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If self-abasement is to be regarded as suicide, then the humiliation of another can also be planned in such a way that it amounts to murder: that is what England intends to do to Germany. It does not want to kill, but to extinguish the inner light of life; to wean the nation off ambition - and with it its honour; to break the wings of its will - and thereby rob it of its dignity.

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It is known - I hope at least - that it has finally succeeded in conveying to the Germans the news that leading circles have long resisted spreading - it is therefore known that Germany's enemies are pursuing the plan - ideal and power - to finally break Germany's strength; [...] the coming peace should serve to complete this work. In this way the Germans are to be crushed - so that they never rise again; the Germans can then continue to serve the ruling English and Americans as industrious slaves as scholars, waiters, chemists, etc. Our enemies see the Germans as the born destroyers of their method of civilization, the all-powerful Mammon, and they know that this is a fight to the death! England is pursuing [...] the plan to become master of the world, to create a world monopoly for itself: it has destroyed or weakened into submission every state that threatened this plan; now it is Germany's turn; the hotheads demand its complete destruction, the leading politicians declare that they will be content with permanent weakening, with the reduction of Germany to the level of a Central European Spain.

Houston Stewart Chamberlain, England & Germany, 1914

>>515333859
german original:

Was England in diesem Kriege nicht erreicht, wird es in einem zweiten, und wenn es not tut, in einem dritten und vierten erstreben ; es läßt sicher nicht nach, und Friede wird seinem Ziele ebenso willkommen und dienlich sein wie Krieg
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Ist die Selbsterniedrigung gleich Selbstmord zu achten, so kann auch das Erniedrigen eines Andern derart geplant sein, daß es einem Mord gleichkommt: das ist's, was England an Deut schland vorhat. Töten will es nicht, aber das innere Lebenslicht auslöschen; der Nation den Ehrgeiz abgewöhnen — und mit ihm die Ehre; ihr den Flügel schlag des Wollens brechen - und damit die Würde rauben.
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Man weiß - ich hoffe wenigstens, daß es endlich gelungen ist, den Deutschen die Kunde zu vermitteln, gegen deren Verbreitung führende Kreise sich lange sträubten — man weiß also, daß Deutschlands Feinde den Plan Ideal und Macht - verfolgen, die Kraft Deutschlands endgültig zu brechen; [...] der Vollendung dieses Werkes soll der kommende Friede dienen. Auf diese Weise soll das Deutsche zermalmt werden — auf daß es nie wieder erstehe; der Deutsche mag dann weiter als emsiger Sklave den herrschenden Engländern und Amerikanern als Gelehrter, Kellner, Chemiker usw. dienen. So genau empfinden unsere Feinde das Deutsche als den geborenen Zerstörer ihrer Zivilisationsmethode des allbeherrschenden Mammons, so genau wissen sie, daß es einen Kampf auf Leben und Tod gilt! England verfolgt [...] den Plan, Herr der Welt zu werden, sich ein Weltmonopol zu schaffen: es hat jeden Staat zerstört oder bis zur Gefügigkeit geschwächt, der diesen Plan gefährdete ; jetzt ist Deutschland an der Reihe ; die Heiß sporne verlangen de s sen gänzliche Zerstörung, die leitenden Politiker erklären, sich mit der dauernden Schwächung begnügen zu wollen, mit der Herabsetzung Deutschlands auf den Stand eines mitteleuropäi schen Spaniens.

Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Deutschland und England

>>515332631
By 1920 during full "exode rural" it was 20%, the Industrial Revolution impacted the cities themselves but didn't touch the countryside, remember we still needed to produce food traditionally, the large farms only came after WWII

>>515329098 (OP)
>young men who were causing problems
It was. It was for nations to set up nationalist authorities and then make them fight for next war. Meanwhile Rothschild was producing 6-10 children and sending them to set up banks and central banks across Europe. EU was a White genocide (if it fits you) but it was more like, local genocide to set up central banking slave system. Most /polers know btw.

>>515330562
>Muh palestine israel
Why do you stray away from central banks issues? none of these matters. They are farce before controlling the money supply.

No. This is all bs anyway. Many people thought the war was going to be a huge disaster for Europe.

>>515329098 (OP)
that's the reason capitalism dives out of one war into another all the time. watering with the blood of patriots and all that shiet

>>515330632
But they werent disenfranchised. You think all those aristocratic Anglo officers and French boys from small villages had nothing better to do? Not to mention Belgians that never asked for any of this.

>>515333859
It's amazing that the Nazis admired this guy, Houston Stewart Chamberlain.
And yes, he exemplified "Perfidious Albion" perfectly well.

>>515333966
I guess France may have been so rural by 1914, but I don't see how Britain or Germany could have been. Of all Western European countries, only France has enough good farmland to feed its own population. The rest have to import food.

>>515333966
Also, no matter the urban:rural ratio on the eve of World War I, the social reformers were creating a huge stir and the elites wanted them put down.

>>515336550
>No. This is all bs anyway. Many people thought the war was going to be a huge disaster for Europe.
This is true, but the people with proper foresight didn't end up making the decisions and instead the warmongers made the decision to go to war.

>>515338289
whats your issue with chamberlain, he was close friend of hitler, nsdap member & is frequently quoted in mein kampf. rosenberg predicts that his quotes will one day be printed in school textbooks. chamberlain opens us naive germans the eyes for the true english character & the depths of its wickedness.

>>515338371
>Of all Western European countries, only France has enough good farmland to feed its own population. The rest have to import food.
Yes probably.
Also France really really really wanted those départements back (Alsace Lorraine), entire generations, and that includes the elites, had been brainwashed to take them back at any cost and that was for us the reason to send the youth die in the trenches.

>>515339695
Fair enough
I was wondering if Chamberlain was defending Albion's twisted outlook or was just exposing it.

>if European elites, on the eve of World War I, were eager to sacrifice a lot of the younger males of the time because those young men were engaged in a lot of social unrest due to their bad working and living conditions
It depends on which European elites you're talking about.
Per capita the highest casualties were among aristocrats who were "the European elites" at that time.
The officer class who charged into battle first were absolutely decimated.
In Ireland which was part of the British empire at the time the aristocrats suffered high casualties.
For example near my home are the ruins of an old mansion. All the sons were wiped out in the war leaving two elderly parents. They had no one to pass the estate onto as their sons were dead, but the sons of other relatives also were killed. The family died out and the house fell into ruin. This happened all over England, Germany, Austria, Russia, and other countries as well.
However another type of elite did well out of the war. These were the jews obviously, but also freemasons who were gentile merchants and moneymen.
The Kaiser of Germany himself wrote in his memoirs that the war was planned by the Grand Orient Lodges of Europe.
So I think the plan was just as much for the jews and the gentile freemason merchant class to wipe out large numbers of the aristocracy so they could replace them which is what ended up happening

elite is a word you could use. there are better shorthand terms like "jew" but elite works. so does new york values. but you could just say jew.

anon, you might be an athiest, you might be a christian, you might be a pagan, you might be muslim, you might be buddhist, but you're involved in a jewish spiritual war that ends with your bloodline being erased, regardless of if you accept or acknowledge this fact.

>>515340244
chamberlain was a big fan of the germans, he married one of richard wagners daugthers even. his book "foundations of the 20th century" is a huge redpill on jews.
he didnt criticise the english only but explained how the original lower classes in britain are anglo-saxon agrarian minded folk while they are being ruled over by normal-french viking nobility for a millenia already that changed the national mentality & economy towards mercantile seafaring & commerce focused geopolitics. so under the surface there are still our corrupted cousins that never desired to become judaised like that, those goodhearted homely hobbits.

>>515329098 (OP)
War and military have always been away to get rid of or break those who would resist tyranny.