Thread 515377745

Utah officials claimed he was shot from 200 yards away. Are we looking at 7.62mm rifle here, or was it a 5.56 rifle?

I have never done any serious shooting, does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?

>>515377745 (OP)
It was an AR-15

>>515377745 (OP)
Entry wound was quite small.

>>515377745 (OP)
>I have never done any serious shooting, does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
200 yards is piss easy with a generic bolt action. That's my guess since there were no follow up shots like when they tried to shoot trump.
Generic remington 700 in 308 a troon got from his grandpa.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
not really

>>515377745 (OP)
It was a rifle of some sort. Probably a 5.56.

Charlie naming the jew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipW5sLfDt6c

>>515377745 (OP)
He actually hit the target, so no it wasn't a faggy larper gun. It was a grown up non-larper precision rifle.

FOOL US ONCE
SHAME ON YOU
FOOL US TWICE
YOU CANT FOOL US AGAIN

>>515377745 (OP)
5.56 can do it. Once the army teaches basic rifle marksmanship, you're expected to be able to engage at 300 yards. Most trainees start having issues only at 200-250 yards, while it comes naturally to others.

>>515378292
This.

>>515377745 (OP)
Not enough info to know the caliber. You could pay to have a rifle zeroed for you and hit a man sized target at 200 yards even if you've never fired a gun before.

>>515377745 (OP)
>Utah officials claimed he was shot from 200 yards away.
No they didn't. CNN claimed this.

There is no way to tell from just the sound, or the video of the impact. I'm a hand loader and it's common to use bullets which aren't commercially available.

All we can do is wait until somebody uses the video to determine the flight time of the bullet, which sounded supersonic to me. It had the telltale crack.

>>515377745 (OP)
>I have never done any serious shooting, does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
not really, so long as you have it sighted in it's cake with 5.56, .308, 30-06, really any caliber, even pistol caliber carbines it's not that hard to hit a torse sized target.
Whatever hit charlie had quite a bit of force from what I could tell.
>t. NRA/USCCA ranger officer / I do 3 gun competitions

>>515379185
Anon if it was a 308, he would have had whole chunks of flesh fly off his neck. It wouldn't be a spurt of blood.
He was shot with an ar15 style rifle.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?

None. The furthest distance I shot from during my service was 300m/1000feet. After aligning the sights I was able to group 5 shots to an area of a matchbox.

Rifle+scope, any retard could've made that shot.

>>515379587
Could have been any number of 22 caliber cartridges. I'm betting it was a hunting rifle, though, because he only fired one round.

>>515377745 (OP)
Probably something with a.223 projectile with a highly frangible bullet, like a varmit rifle, that wound exploded but did look like a exit

>>515379587
agreed, exit wounds and cavitation on a 308 would have been a bit more dramatic. it could have been a subsonic though, which are way less damaging. my money is on some basic bitch AR15 with a guy who shoots enough to make that shot pretty easily. it's an extremely common gun and 200yds is well within its effective range. could have even been done with a "pistol" (short barrel ar15 with a goofy stock to get around SBR laws) if the dude had a bag with him.

>>515380186
Contender-style pistol. Smallest package which can fire a rifle caliber bullet. Also the velocity is reduced because of the short barrel, perhaps explaining the difference in damage compared to what one would expect from a full powered rifle cartridge.

>>515380455
Didnt look like a exit wound

>>515380573
>exit wounds and cavitation on a 308 would have been a bit more dramatic
Assuming factory ammo out of a standard length barrel.

I think if it was a full powered rifle cartridge it came from a single shot Contender style pistol.

Until they find the weapon we're all just spitballing.

>>515380739
Honestly not the craziest idea I've heard. It would make it much easier to hide the gun while escaping.

>>515380739
you can put a 14" barreled ar15 into a backpack in less than a minute by pushing two pins and separating the upper from the lower.
>>515381041
you aren't using a contender to assassinate someone. you would need a shooting bag and a bunch of other bullshit which would negate any size advantage it has. if it was a professional, maybe they had a shorter barrel bolt action with a folding stock. my money is on some random troon with an AR15 since it's a meme and there are millions of them in civilian hands.

>>515381308
the shorter the barrel on a rifle the more powder burns outside the barrel, the contender hypothesis would require hand loaded ammunition to make sense, otherwise you are setting off a flashbang in front of your face while trying to be secret sneaky assassin.

Probably a $300 savage bolt gun with a garden variety scope of some kind. Deer cartridges aren't howitzer shells lmfao

.22 Hornet. (Screen cap this)

>>515381308
They generally have a fairly chunky foregrip/forend but you could reduce it in size or take it off without affecting the weapon's function. With a short barrel it's a very slim and compact weapon, just a tube with a handle really. You can get hundreds of custom barrels for Contenders, there's a whole industry around it.

Might not be a Contender, there are many other similar single-shot pistols like it.

>>515381976
>you can put a 14" barreled ar15 into a backpack in less than a minute by pushing two pins and separating the upper from the lower.
You're arguing a point I didn't make, but it's a much bigger and bulkier package. Also only one shot was taken.

>you aren't using a contender to assassinate someone.
I'm a Christian I wouldn't do that.

>you would need a shooting bag and a bunch of other bullshit which would negate any size advantage it has
Wrong people often use them freehand without bracing to take big game and target shoot. There are entire shooting sports around this type of activity.

>if it was a professional, maybe they had a shorter barrel bolt action with a folding stock
Why do you obsess over a stock? Don't need one with a Contender.

>my money is on some random troon with an AR15
Troons wanna die and always keep shooting until killed or ack themselves once they do a bit of shooting. Always.

>>515382251
It wouldn't matter, you're not in a warzone where people are looking for muzzle flashes and it's the middle of the day. Having some bulky bag or even a backpack to stuff an AR into would be far more likely to get you caught

>>515379754
Eh, you're still talking about a trained retard which is then something. It's the same as talking about a 300lb deadlift like it's nothing, I bet 90% of non-obese semi-athletic men could hit that in under a year of training, but when you back up what percent of the population can do that?

>>515377745 (OP)
probably a bolt action from a swap meet. No way to trace, expert shooter. Glowies.

>>515382251
Who would own a Contender without also being a hand loader? It was made for hand loaders. Half the barrels they make for it don't have commercially loaded ammo at all.

This wasn't a mass shooting. This was an assassination.

>>515377745 (OP)
> 7.62 or 5.56
Could have easily been either, or most other center fire rifle caliber. Entrance wounds are unpredictable. Nothing about the video tells us much other than the gunshot sounded like a centerfire rifle.

> ar15
Could be. No way to tell. Could just as easily be a bolt action or any other reasonably accurate auto gun

> difficult
No. Not with an optic. It would take some basics though ( i.e. knowing how to sight in the gun ect)
But it wouldn't take practice or unusual skill. Just basic familiarization

>>515383468
my money is on a .257 roberts

>>515380739
>>515381308
This doesn't seem too farfetched. If it were that level of preparation and skill to use that type of weapon I think it suggests the shooter was a glowing assassin from mossad, IC, et al.
A plausible scenario since there was also an abandoned wheelchair on one of the raised portions of the venue I have already noticed in one of the pictures which should not have been accessible by wheelchair, and what of the occupant?
Conjecture at this point, but an assassin could have set up in a wheelchair in a raised spot to avoid scrutiny and have a decent vantage from close range, elevated to clear the crowd and despite being seated at the time. Then they could have slipped away in the panic leaving it behind.

>>515383747
That one guy said on his deathbed that they killed Kennedy with a .218 Bee.

>>515381976
something that would fit into a backpack would make sense, given that you are on a college campus with hundreds/thousands of other people wearing backpacks. you would blend in and would also blend in as you were making your escape. you would look like just another student running away from the area

if we assume the guy up on the roof did it, the actual distance is around 450-500 feet, rather than 600

>>515384764
>only one shot was fired
>there was a fall guy
It's certainly a pro hit job, not just some troon or leftie high on estrogen. Those types keep shooting until they run out of ammo and ACK or get killed by cops.

One shot was fired, some guy apparently was fingered as the dude who dun it but didn't, and the assassin slipped away in the confusion. Gun itself has probably been thrown into a river by now if it was taken with and not just dropped or stashed somewhere. Or handed off to somebody else.

>>515377745 (OP)
>>515378008
clearly we need to ban this weapon of war.

>>515383654
yeah and you want the assassin to have the same autism hobby you do. im glad you like contenders. they aren't a realistic choice. they are a niche hobby with few practical applications outside the niche hobby. sure, some people hunt with them, people also hunt with bows and spears and all kinds of stuff that isn't exactly the most efficient and sensible choice because they enjoy the challenge and like bragging rights.

if I were assassinating someone I would probably pick a bolt action 300 blackout or 8.6 blackout with a folding stock, a 9" barrel, subsonic ammo, and some kind of suppressor that is quick detach. break open would be better but now you are getting into real hipster shit to save 3" of overall length.

here this product exists
https://liveqordie.com/mini-fix-pistol/
https://liveqordie.com/the-fix/
i hate Q but these are optimized products for this kind of thing

>>515385256
From the sticky thread
Probably the only thing that needs to be checked is if this is an element of the roof, but it looks like a person to me.

>>515386100
>yeah and you want the assassin to have the same autism hobby you do
You're a woman, I knew it lol.

>they aren't a realistic choice
It's the most compact firearm to shoot a high powered rifle cartridge from. They've been used for everything from shooting mice to hunting all the Big 5 in Africa. It's simple and accurate and with the forend removed, very very compact, just a tube. No need to fumble with pins and shit with an AR after reaching suspiciously into a backpack.

>if I were assassinating someone I would probably pick a bolt action 300 blackout or 8.6 blackout with a folding stock, a 9" barrel, subsonic ammo, and some kind of suppressor that is quick detach
You sound like a gear queer mall ninja honestly there, woman.

Only one shot was taken and it was loud. This discussion isn't about your fantasy loadout for killing people.

>>515386317
That looks to be a shooter. Look at the stance.

>>515377745 (OP)
200 yards is less than 200 meters, which is not a lot.
>7,62 and THERE WOULD BE NO NECK and EXIT wound guaranteed
>5,56 at that close range - at MINIMUM EXIT WOUND

>My bet is .22 LR, from a fuckin .22 LR sniper rifle

>>515377745 (OP)
5.56 so probably an AR-15. If it was 7.62 it would have made a bigger mess.

>>515384764
>abandoned wheelchair
Hm interesting. Man With The Wheelchair Gun? You could fit a Contender or even a custom gun into a wheelchair. I doubt they lift up people in wheelchairs to search them for a TPUSA event.

Anyway the shooter may not have arrived or left with the firearm. Somebody else may have brought it in, maybe even a different person disposes of it. Since this was obviously a professional hit job at this point.

Do you think the shooter was going for a head-shot?

>>515385256
This sounds like Hollywood bullshit, but you might be right

>>515387106
Do you even reload?

>>515390205
You mean hand load? I usually buy virgin brass so it's not always reloading in my case, until I fire a cartridge once at least.

Reloading is something you do with machines and you get... certain results. Factory-tier results. I'm a bit more high brow than that. I usually neck size only. And I usually shoot .30-06 Improved which involves fire forming. I had a die made which exactly matches my rifle, which was "improved" way back in the day and is dimensionally different than normal .30-06 Improved. That's just one of my autistic hand loading things I do. It's fun.

>>515391142
i don't believe you otherwise you would know what my picture is

>>515382490
Was a higher caliber, no doubt about it.

>>515377745 (OP)
Daisy Red Ryder .177

>>515391490
I wouldn't use a trickler because it's less accurate than doing it by hand. Also I don't shoot in such volume that such a shortcut would be helpful to me.

I mic and weigh all my cases, etc.

>>515377745 (OP)
thats almost 200m. you'd have to be skilled as a marksman to pull this off considering the immense stress and the dynamic environment. try hitting a beer bottle at 200m in a controlled environment where you are relaxed. this was a trained shooter. probably military

Gonna guess m4 5.56mm

>>515378008
Lel you retards spent decades thinking the AR stands for “Assault Rifle”

>>515392246
dont forget bullet drop and crosswind affecting the trajectory

>>515391142
also you are totally fucking larping because whatever "improved" chamber you have, usually this would be Ackley improved, but you are super special, anyway you would have to load all your ammo and even if you got fresh brass you would have to fire form it to your "improved" chamber before you got something consistent enough to print groups with.
>>515392017
now you're just being extra fucking retarded because the analytical balance on the autotrickler is accurate to the individual powder pellet and even if it is a little over or a little under, you just pour it back into the fucking hopper. you are a nogunz larping niggerfaggot who has an uncle who used to shoot with you but now he ignores you because you are weird and smell like cheese.

>>515377745 (OP)
It couldnt have been an AR-15 because they usually tear off limbs and there isnt much left of the body.

>>515378292
Nah. .308 for sure. Literally Fudd hunting rifle from Walmart

a kel tec

>>515392246
>>515392820
no, it barely affects anything at that range, 200m is a short shot for a rifle

>>515377745 (OP)
The Russians have sniper rifles that use pistol ammo. Yes it's easy hitting long range with 7.62 caliber.

>>515390205
Thats something only a faggot would buy, you cant reload like a normal person?

>>515392972
That Yrefy logo behind him looks to be a sigil of satan. Who the fuck are they?

>>515377745 (OP)
Could have been anything, 200m is a piss easy shot.
The odds are in favour of it being an AR derivative and shitty underpowered US loaded commercial .223 ball though.

>>515392820
They where probably aiming right as his forehead and the bullet drop and crosswind made it hit his jugular instead.

>>515378292
Charlie was a shabbos goy like all christgolems

>>515394489
What about 400m as people are speculating? Do you have to seriously factor in environmental conditions at that range? I've never fired a gun in my life (as you can imagine)

>>515394570
this

>>515377745 (OP)
News was reporting it was a high caliber, so if you trust the news it couldn't have been 5.56 / .223 / AR-15.
Shouldn't have really been an AK variant either as 7.62 is pretty much .30.
Must have been 20mm

>>515377745 (OP)
From the gunshot it sounded like a larger caliber rifle round. Maybe 300 Win Mag or 308.

>>515377745 (OP)

7.62 at that distance would have taken half his neck away.

>>515378075
IMO, that was an exit wound. his chest blows up like a balloon when he was hit before you see a massive neck wound and bleeding. super sonic loads do weird shit in living things, people forget that. to me, it looked like he was shot in the lower right hand torso, and the round hit a bone or the plate carrier he was wearing, then ricocheted upward and outward out of the left hand side of his neck. That wound in his neck is NOT an entry wound, that is an exit wound of a tumbling rifle round that did not fragment. I would not be surprised if we find out this was some kind of soft point/hollow point .556/.223, .30-06 ,or .308 hunting round. another possibility is that the round shot at him was AP, round went through the plate, hit bones, ricocheted upward, and flew out of his neck. you never really know with high velocity rounds. the footage is in too low of a frame rate to see what really happens.

>>515377745 (OP)
No. A 200 yard shot is easy when prone.

Possible video of the arrest.

>>515377745 (OP)
His death was a necessary evil. He'd understand

>>515377745 (OP)

IDF standard issue is 5.56, and extremely common in the US. Perfect caliber for Mossad agents to use to silence one of the loudest voices for exposing the sex rings that they had Epstein running for them.

precision rifle shooter was aiming straight at head bullet slightly dropped and veered off to the right. pull up wind direction and speed from the event

>>515394745
400 on a head is perfectly doable but you're going to want a slightly nicer rifle, actually test your ammo, and make sure you have the scope and dope dialled in correctly - and importantly in the case of an American shooter actually understand what you're doing there, most people around here operate guns on monkey see monkey do principles or "what the muhrens do is correct". Doesn't look like a windy day, I'd personally put the low shot down to a cold barrel or shooter error.

>>515396054
Depends on the bullet and how stable it is. A typically overstabilised spear point would poke a pencil hole too, just a slightly bigger one than .223.

>>515396679
>dosen't know Mossad uses .22
Dumbass.

>>515379587
Not how bullets work, nogunz.

>>515397066
Interesting dissertation, thanks. How does a cold barrel interfere with ballistics?

>>515378682
300 meters, not yards. So even farther that 300 yards.

>>515392808
It does retard. It's the 15th version

>>515380573
Subsonic wouldn't have had a crack in the video though no?

>>515377745 (OP)
.223 can go 3500 ft/second. 200 yards is 600 ft.

>>515396669
An air gun?

>>515397384
Depends on the barrel and how it's stocked but a cold barrel shot will tend to go somewhere slightly different to a string of warm barrel shots, the metal expanding as it heats up obviously. They also tend to read slightly lower speeds on the chrono, i.e. "more drop". Basically if you've zeroed your scope with a string of shots off a warm barrel, that zero isn't going to be dead nuts on until it heats up again.

>>515396669
could be a ruger mini 14

>>515397684
i only have seen the webms on here, if there is a crack sound then it's supersonic

>>515398765
That's not a Mini-14 anon.

>>515379587
ar-15 comes in a variety of calibers you dipshit... the two most common are .223 and .308. i personally like the AR-10 better

https://ruger.com/products/sfar/models.html

>>515398374
that is what I thought but it may also be the sling attachment point is up by the barrel and you are seeing the sling where the break point would be

>>515377745 (OP)
>>Are we looking at 7.62mm rifle here, or was it a 5.56 rifle?
Why do you think it matters? What if it was 300 blackout, or creedmore? Who fucking cares what caliber it was?

IWI Zion
hahaha

>>515398957
>>>/gif/29435915

>>515399426
that is definitely supersonic

>>515398608
Appreciate you man. Wish I had somebody to talk ballistics with IRL. Hope our paths cross some day.

>>515396388
No way that was the exit wound when his body recoiled in a way that showed the shot coming in from the front. Also the shooter was aiming for the head.

>>515398765
Nigger, im blind and You can see thats NOT a mini 14 OR mini 30.
>>515396669
This is a bb gun. picrel. probs some schizo boomer who thought red dawn was upon him.

no way this was just some random faggot with sweaty palms his heart beating and hands shaking. also the target was not fixed dude was naturally moving when talking. most untrained shooters would probably aim at the torso in that situation

>>515398981
its not a very good angle of the gun, thats why i said "could"

>>515399758
also depends on the gun, my SR25 is dead nuts bullseye every cold bore shot.

>>515392246
If I could hit a head sized target from 100m with just iron sights, I'm sure some rando can hit it from 200m with proper optics. Also my training is only like 100 shots total with the rifle the Finnish army uses

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
if you're resting the rifle on an object to keep it steady, it is much, much easier than holding it up with your arm. even with strap wrapped.

>>515396974
That's just shoring a graphic of a rifle zeroed for 100 yards and 200 yards

>>515395412
>>515395558
Actual disinformation retards.

>>515400119
no, the gun in the police picture has no magazine well, it is not a mini 14

>>515400169
not saying you cant but considering the circumstances it takes skill. its not like at the shooting range. its an assassination

>>515400119
It's a better angle than the one you just posted for telling it's 100% not a Mini-14 or anything similar. There's no fucken magwell anon and you can see that very clearly.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
No, minimal practice with iron sights. With a good zeroed optic, even a reflex sight you can almost land them exactly where you want them to.

>>515377745 (OP)
Remington 700
Sub-Sonic .308

>>515391715
impossible. You'd put your eye out

>>515385568
single shot terror

>>515396388
larping as a fudd or extremely retarded

>>515396669
That's a break barrel BB gun

>>515400561
go to shooting competitions and the shot taken today was a piece of cake. gun culture in america makes being pretty good with a gun really accessible if you have the money and time.

>>515377745 (OP)
The Marine Corps Known Distance (KD) range begins at 200meters. It’s not a difficult shot.

>>515400703
1 moa at 200 yards isn't anything to wild, definately not some tranny faggot who started shooting last week though

>>515400452
yea wasnt sure if that was because of the angle of the image if it was just the trigger guard or not.

>>515400958
Actually the "gun culture" makes being really bad with a gun very accessible. Very few people understand what they're doing and mostly operate on some combination of fuddlore, zogbotlore, and niglore.

>>515400561
Sure but if I can do it at a shooting range after just a handful of shots, I don't see why someone who properly trained for it couldn't land it even under pressure

Point of impact changes as shooting heats the barrel, the real snipers equipment is dialed in to be precise from the first shot from a cold barrel

>>515398765
No its not even close to being one

and the 200yards number has been bothering me for another reason as well because thats the number we usually zero our sights too when playing arma so did a quick google. check this out. interesting right

>>515386100
>yeah and you want the assassin to have the same autism hobby you do

its literally their fucking job to know this shit.
fucking dumb bitch

>>515402313
A lot of rifles are factory sighted at 200 yards.

>>515396054
Distance reduces energy lmao

>>515401589
when i say gun culture i mean people who participate in competitions and unfuck their kit and unfuck their shortcomings so they don't look like an ass when they're being timed and scored

>>515392972
We need to ban 9mm.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
No skill is needed. Just a decent rifle. It looked like a 5.56, but could have been a 308 (7.62).

>mass shooting = 25 dead
>gun control = 262,000,000 dead
Firearm ownership by citizens is to resist government tyranny, which is far more dangerous statistically than random crazy shooter. In the 20th century, governments killed 262 million of their OWN citizens. Not including war. That’s like 10 million school shootings. Or 273 school shootings per day, every day, for 100 years.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

>>515402558
no assassin is fucking with a retarded niche single shot rifle caliber pistol you retarded niggerfaggot

>>515403042
yes i think the m249 saw machine gun with the m145mgo is 300m

>>515379415
>I'm a hand loader and it's common to use bullets which aren't commercially available.
I doubt this was a serious shooter using hand loads. Unless it was from much further than 200 yards.

>>515401834
It's more a case that the barrel is so thick and high quality that it makes no real difference. You can't get around it by "dialling in" things.

>>515403365
Man competition fags are some of the worst for not fucking getting it outside their autistically niche scoring system. That's why they're such consumerist retards.

>>515377745 (OP)
>Utah officials claimed he was shot from 200 yards away.
Based on what exactly I wonder? The video is taken with a shitty phone camera but it lacks that distinctive crack-bang sound you get when being shot towards at a distance. If I had to guess based solely on that video I'd suspect some kind of suitcase gun or something hidden and remote controlled close by. Surely cunts nearby would have heard it but they were all ushered out of the area pretty quickly (and so would be the shooter if he were there)

but like i said its interesting since why would a civilian care about 150 or 200 or 250 meters unless he previously trained at that specific distance and was sure of his skill to pull off the shot. why not just walk up with a 1911 and shoot the guy

>>515403042
>factory sighted
>optics sold separately
even irons need adjusted, the only rifles sighted from the factory are super high end double rifles like rigby's which need their barrels aligned, they start at like $20k and go to over 100K$
>>515404046
>not fucking getting it
what part of shooting accurately in timed, adverse conditions is not getting it?

>>515377745 (OP)
with no practice you can hit a person sized target at 200 yards with just iron sights and standing. like with no practice too. under duress is different of course

>>515383346
NTA, but surely a person who goes out of their way to commit an assassination with a rifle has put some training under his belt. And I dont mean like millitary or anything special. Just like has owned the gun for a while and goes to the shooting range now and then. You make it sound like the killer bought the rifle last weekend.

>>515404046
>>515404366
i will give you the caveat that 3 gun is fucking retarded and so are a lot of the pistol competitions. shit is set up so you need a saiga with 30 round magazines that fail all the time to be "competitive" and it's all a circlejerk of bullshit. i do practical competitions and i have to drive hours to find them.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
No.

>>515404366
>shooting accurately in timed, adverse conditions
That's a a severe misconception you have there. It's either timed OR accurate (very few people actually compete for accuracy) and the conditions are about as perfect and consistent as anyone could want.

>>515404986
you and I must go to very different competitions, if you go to competitions at all

>>515383346
>It's the same as talking about a 300lb deadlift like it's nothing, I bet 90% of non-obese semi-athletic men could hit that in under a year of training,
No, we're talking more like a week or two of training.
And, that includes literal retards and niggers.
200 yards/meters is not that far.
I could probably hit a man sized target with a shotgun slug at that distance.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt I can at 150 yards.

Someone who is not an idiot could spend one day at a firing range and make that shot with a high powered rifle with ease.

>>515392246
>. this was a trained shooter. probably military
This is the US. Anyone who grew up hunting or shooting could easily make that shot. Probably 30% of the adult US population could do it.

>>515387187
shot was way too loud for a .22

It is kinda funny how people are saying that a single shot long range rifle shot is evidence of it being a "professional" job. The vast majority of actual state carried assassinations use way more simple and easy methods than that hollywood shit. Getting close to the guy and magdumping him is probably the most common way governments assassinate people with guns.

>>515377745 (OP)
It's probably .223. 7.62 booms unless it's suppressed. It doesn't click-pop like an AR

>>515405591
Or maybe you're just one of the people I'm talking about.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
No, not with a good rifle. My gf can hit shit at 200 with my AR-10.

>>515406069
Sub Sonic .308, the hydro-shock and entrance wound was WAY to large for .223

>>515405872
Here is a good example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili

When actual glowies pull of hits they tend to be very risk averse and just go with what is most simple.

>>515394683
Can you even speak English any more? Or just this retarded garbage?

>>515405872
Yeah, 200m doesn't say "pro" to me. If you want a guy dead and don't care about getting away, you'd get in close and make sure. If you want enough distance that you might conceivably slip off, 200m is too close in.
It says "this is what I'm capable of".

>>515406087
someone doesn't care about hitting the a zone

anyway how did the assassin gauge the distance anyway? did he like count steps to arrive at 200 meters or did he use a rangefinder?

>>515407325
See this is what I mean, you consider that accuracy.

>>515407455
Google maps my dude.

>>515378132
actually it was the troon's grandpa lol

>>515377745 (OP)
>I have never done any serious shooting, does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?
None, if using a rifle while prone.

>>515396669
That's a swing barrel .177 air rifle. I have the exact model, or something 99.9% identical. Needless to say, not capable of producing such a wound or covering such a distance.

>>515404366
They are roughly sighted in, most user manuals will tell you at what range and that final adjustments need to be made. that's how my Ar's came.

>>515407474
as opposed to what? my rifle groups off a benchrest?

>>515408129
>3 shot groups
>benchrest
Fuck's sake anon could you try being slightly less typical American shooter.

>>515394745
>What about 400m as people are speculating? Do you have to seriously factor in environmental conditions at that range?
It would take more skill and a more accurate rifle. Not an off the shelf AR15, but any gun shop would have dozens of rifles that could make that shot.

>>515392904
It's not Ackley improved. There were several outfits other than old P.O. there doing improvements. Some of them were bizarre with an almost 90 degree shoulder angle and with the shoulder moved up quite a ways. Mine's not this extreme but it's got more capacity than an Ackley. I'd have to get into my notes to tell you exactly how much though.

And a trickler is lazy. I understand if you shoot a LOT, and have only certain requirements which are about the same as factory premium, it makes sense. But you just can't match doing it by hand with that setup.

>>515395412
>Must have been 20mm
kek. Head explodes from the shock wave.

>>515407854
Fall guy #2?

>>515401711
>Sure but if I can do it at a shooting range after just a handful of shots, I don't see why someone who properly trained for it couldn't land it even under pressure
Rifle range I shot at a few times for my yearly qualification. You need to hit a man sized target at 500m at least once to pass. I had to do a whole fucking week of range work and I don't recall having to retest more than like 3 people out of 600, and I do recall one guy had a almost completely shot out rifle, nearly a smooth bore. He did much better with a borrowed rifle on the retest and the armorer that let that slip had a bad month on the duty desk.

>>515377745 (OP)
totally a trained pro, how the fuck do you get away from a crowded place with a fucking big ass rifle/bag without getting caught? no way it was just a random pissed off tranny

>>515377745 (OP)
>/pol/ on guns
This might as well be reddit for how confidently incorrect the thread is

>>515403042
>A lot of rifles are factory sighted at 200 yards.
You don't sight at 200 yards. You zero it for 50 yards.

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-ar15-battlesight-zero/

>>515409891
Fuck, a 20x102 assassination would be hilarious.
Some boomer with prostate cancer rolls up in the Anzio Van and deletes AOC's tiddies.

>>515411296
Still better than being reddit because of all the jew and ukie dick in the mouth.

>>515377745 (OP)
It is not very difficult. It does take practice, but not very much. 200m silhouette targets with an open sight was a gimme during my qualifications. 300m was where things got challenging.

>>515407586
ban google maps

>>515411694
That depends on your height over bore. If you're capable of waddling the extra distance (or have a camera) it's always better to zero at the actual range.

To the people who are saying the roof guy is a counter sniper - he wouldn't just sprint away the second the shot was taken. His job would be to scan and find any threat in view and eliminate 'em.

>>515409568
nigger i can get accuracy down to the single pellet of powder and i do shoot A LOT

>>515408927
and the two five shot groups? what do you have to say about them?

>>515377745 (OP)
it was a 22-250

>>515377745 (OP)
can only be this bad boy here.
Its a gun like no other. The other day at the range I was putting in clip after clip into its magazine until the ammo drum was glowing red-hot and the belt-feed module jammed. This is normal when firing those revolvers on full semi-auto but its a price worth paying.

>>515407455
range finders are like 300 bucks at any golf shop

something to remember when discussing shooters skill jsy that the he wasn't aiming for the neck, just the general silhouette. it's pretty clear that they hit the plate and it bounced up.

had that bullet gone an inch up or down he would've lived, but it hit the edge and bounced up.

>>515412453
I say go shoot another 5 or 7 as applicable and do it from prone.

>>515412350
it's fiddly as fuck why not just use a small wooden spoon? lol

the trickler gives you factory premium results at best, then you have to do it by hand

>>515394683
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions.

IT WAS NOT A FUCKING JDAM YOU BROWN NIGGER RETARD FAGGOTS

>>515414267
If you have a good rifle and the optics to match shooting low-MOA or even sub-MOA groups is entirely possible at 200 yards, and low-MOA is entirely good enough here, it will be like 5 inch deviation from the aimpoint if atmospheric conditions are accounted for, but in good conditions this shouldn't throw off your aim by more than a few inches in addition.
tl;dr easy with amazing gear, mid difficulty with mid gear, but pretty much impossible to do in one shot with a less than precise rifle.
I'll lmao if the assassin used an AK.
>with iron sights
Must have been Solid Snake.

>>515377745 (OP)
Something around or below 2MOA presumably, so an assault rifle 15 with very good optics will do.

>>515414788
>small wooden spoon
vs an analytical balance regularly calibrated, you're either poor or retarded or both

>>515413573
how many shots are taken in benchrest shooting competitions?

>>515377745 (OP)
The only round that fits the shooters profile of a 6.5 Creedmoor

>>515416021
>implying I'm not weighing it
The only thing that matters is the first shot out of a cold barrel.

>>515409891
>>515411820
Reportedly xhe used one of these bad boys.

>>515416142
>benchrest
lmao

>>515417070
lmao so 2 gun isn't real shooting and benchrest isn't real shooting so what is real shooting or are you just a contrarian fag?

>>515377745 (OP)
whoever it was seemed range-amateur. they probably had a sighted in scope but not for that range; they aimed for the head but clipped him in the neck because the round dropped in flight.

>>515416716
very good results with that out of my sr25

>>515417386
Why would they shoot from a benchrest desu? Seems like something you'd only do for practice and to calibrate sights? Although shooting from prone may pretty much amount to the same, depending on the rifle.

>>515377745 (OP)
There used to be firearms clubs in American highschools.

Guns aren't the problem. The problem is there's an entire political demographic that wants to commit murder. These are murderers. We shouldn't disarm ourselves because murderers want us dead. That's just retarded.
>>515378008
Why are you posting when your country is being raped?

>>515377745 (OP)
>200 yards
Easy please japanesey

>>515417901
benchrest and prone are the same for me. i have a bipod on my rifle and use a rearbag as shown in the picture. the point of shooting that way is to make sure that you are calibrating your optic correctly and not moving your rifle when pulling the trigger. they are all skills which are tested when doing shooting competitions. the people arguing with me are larpers and naysayers who have no experience in actual shooting sports.

>>515377745 (OP)
You know what it takes to make a shot at that range? Everything comes into play that far - humidity, elevation, temperature, wind, spindrift. There's a 6 to 10-second flight time so you have to shoot at where the target's going to be. Even the Coriolis effect, the spin of the Earth, comes into play. He'll be wearing body armor, that means a headshot at over a mile. You believe there's a shooter involved capable of making this shot?

>>515417606
Now I understand why you resort to using a trickler.

>>515418853
Listen dipshit, forget your autistic games and go find out if you can actually shoot or not.

>>515419810
Post guns faggot.

>>515401056
no, you weren't sure because you're a nogunz FAGGOT so SHUT THE FUCK UP because this is way outta your league.

>>515420200
post guns

>>515420322
>>515420322
doesn't include deep storage.
>your turn

If i was a betting man I'd say 5.56 fmj

308 or 7.62x54r would have probably been extra messy.

>>515420533
old revolvers are super cool, hope you are doing well polandbro
>>515421273
lmao rifles with no optics nice job. i do think your shotgun is nicely setup though.

>>515377745 (OP)
7.62 would have taken half his neck off. It was 5.56

>>515420193
That's nice consumerism you have there, now go give me 10 rounds rapid from the prone and find out if you can actually shoot them.

>>515421564
haha yeah no optics, I'm just out here rawdoggin it

>>515421604
It was sub-sonic .308. .223 wouldn't have left such an entrance wound

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?

No, and yes.
With an already zero'ed and tuned rifle, no, it's not too hard. But takes skill.

Yes, though... because you can't just pick up a rifle and aim. The rifle needs to be tuned, scope zero'ed, and part of that is getting used to the ballistics of that aprticular type ammo. That all takes knowledge.


200 yard is getting out there for 5.56, but not at all for .308 / 7.76.

>>515377745 (OP)
>does it take a lot of skill to hit a target at 200 yards?

With a 4X glass optic? No. You have to zero it at a range, and spend a hour dialing it in, but it is easy.

> or was it a 5.56 rifle?

5.56 is my guess. Based on wound characteristics and the lack of a huge cloud of blood and tissue coming out of the exit wound.

>>515378292
The golem ALWAYS turns back.
Greta did the same and she'll soon or later face the same fate.

>>515422580
nice dongle poorfag

>>515378682
Yes, but they are trained to aim for a kill box on the target that covers a range of distances.... not precision. DMR is 7.76

>>515423576
cope nigger, I gunmog you.
Here's some bonus 1991 vintage 870 with a VCS barrel I recently restored

>>515423489
Any dialed-in iron sight will do with a trained shooter. And it's 70 yards.

>>515423576
yes the barrel costs twice as much as the gun. I know you had to google "VCS"

>>515423938
>trained shooter.

Tranny, trained shooter.
>Doubt

70 yards? you could hit him with a musket at that range. Someone needs to have a chat with is security guys.

>>515424284
>>515423930
nice rustington 870

>>515424569
It's not a tranny, trannies wanna die and make a statement. The shooter got away. One shot only.

>>515424842
>1991
>rustington
confirmed nogunz, little boy detected.
I've been shitposting on gun forums since before your mom could afford DSL.

>>515425023
i am actually 18 and have just been posting images from /k/ lol

>>515426217
you'll make it one day lil bro

>>515426370
sig optics are for retards

>>515426563
I'll have to find a better optic on /k/ next time I post a pic

>>515426661
trijicon for red dots, aimpoint for the t2, elcan/acog for 4 power, rmr for stacked optic, schmidt bender for everything else

>>515427109
Thank you, oh wise teenager, for the sage advice.

>>515427613
are you seriously bragging about pmc bronze? get saltech for 308

>>515427613
oh and bonefrog for 223

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>>515396669
So trump's goons found their fall guy?