Thread 515501614

Greekbros, wtf is this?

It did rise from Judaism, where else would it come from, Asatru? Without the prophecy, Christ is a madman

>>515501614 (OP)
This might be news to you but modern Jews are basically an offshoot from the Pharisees whom all the other Jews didn't like. Jesus fucking hated the Pharisees. Modern Rabbinic Judaism is an offshoot from the Pharisees and their oral law bullshit.

>>515501614 (OP)
yes, the very jews that you hate are ultimately who you pray to for salvation. make it make sense

>>515501614 (OP)
>christianity is judeo-platonism
Yes, it's a derivative syncretism of a derivative syncretism. Jews, hebrews, israelites, whatever term you want to use, at nearly whatever time period, they were vagrants who adopted/ stole the metaphysics of the dominant culture who's lands they inhabited at that point in time.

>>515501614 (OP)
Why are American christcucks like this.

>>515504139
No, the modern "Jews" stem from both a different religious base as the "Jews" from Jesus' time and a different ethnic base.

>>515504139
Heebjew 2000 years ago that accepts the fulfillment of messianic prophecies thus becoming Christian =/= obstinate, demonic rabbinical jew today.
Anyone who doesn't get this word-concept fallacy is just low IQ.
It's akin to someone claiming all humans are actually niggers due to a common ancestor in Africa.
The very first heresy the early Church fought that's recorded in Acts is the heresy of judaization, which is why you get Justin Martyr and others calling them out in the first hundred years, and by the middle first millenium you get strong condemnations of those first heretics due to their unmatched obstinacy with regard to changing their ways.

>>515503468
This. It's a semantic issue. The word "Jew" is simply a Medieval abbreviation of the word "Judean" similar to how they might have shortened the Latin "Francorum" to "Franks." The religion we know as "Judaism" today should more appropriately be called "Babylonian Talmudic Pharisaism," since those people are actually just the cursed descendants of the Judeans who rejected Christ.

>>515508078
But they also killed Jesus somehow

>>515501614 (OP)
this is only controversial to larpstians who exist only online
the secondary cope is to try to say ancient judaeans were tooooooootally unlike modern jews despite their centuries old jew-like reputation, rituals, etc....

>>515501614 (OP)
the OSB has lots of bad footnotes, it even quotes anathematized heretics
it is the work and property of the same publishers of the NKJV and even is just the NKJV with fake Orthodox trappings, nothing to do with any Canonical Orthodox Church

>>515501999
wasted digits

>>515501614 (OP)
wasnt the old testament written before Christ? ofc it came from Judaism but then it diverged post Christ with the Jews rejecting Christ as the messiah which almost makes >>515512312 the opposite of truth - Judaism started before Christianity, it cant possibly be a perversion of Christianity, you can make the case for the opposite argument if youre a jew, that Christianity is a perversion of Judaism as one inspired the other and it wasnt Christians inspiring the jews

>>515513775
>Judaism started before Christianity
>but Christ is before Abraham

>>515513775
it's an internal feud cope, namely to claim greater ideological purity compared to the adversary sect while to anyone outside it's just slightly different flavors of jews fighting over who has the right messiah and continuation with abraham(can't even talk about it without using afro-asiatic babble words every other word), like when communists argue about whether leninism or trotskism is more in line with marx's view

>>515510665
>despite their centuries old jew-like reputation, rituals, etc....
The Old Testament is all about how the jews repeatedly disobeyed and turned away from God and his Prophets, and subsequently got punished for it.

>>515514282
>old testament written at minimum 300 years before Christ
>some psalms written by King David himself 900 years before Christ
>quotes the new testament
are you retarded?

>>515501614 (OP)
Its why jews hate it so much, Jesus made it so that anyone could be a child of God, not just the jews.

>>515501614 (OP)
>trad
>redpilled on christcuckery and Jews
>real life otokonoko
what more do you want? Zhenya is perfect.

>>515515427
the old testament is also about how they are the people chosen by the true god and destined to rule over goyim with usury and confirmed by the universal accusation of misanthropy by non jews

>>515515628
>by King David himself 900 years before Christ

>>515515797
Zhenya actually goes to a church, she is just mocking the Greek Orthodoxy for not being based like Russian Orthodoxy

>>515515976
>twisting the translation
shameless

>>515515798
>how they are the people chosen
lol

>>515516279
boring christian snake, vermin
>For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you

>>515516250
>twisting the translation
look who's talking...

>>515515628
Your head is full of jewish secular presuppositions or some form of low information marcionistic protestantism.
The point is that the Christian central claim is that the pre-incarnate Christ is whom even the OT prophets and patriarchs are interacting with, and thus they too were, in fact, followers of Christ.

>>515516498
seethe
Moses condemns (((You)))

>>515501614 (OP)
It literally stemmed directly from judaism, the old testament is actually hebrew stories. We also stemmed from apes but we evolve to be better

>>515516595
Thats Greek, old testament was written in Hebrew, and I cant find anything about the original Greek translation mentioning "Christ"
>>515516626
Yeah no shit retard, but once the Jews saw Christ they rejected him, they think he is a false prophet. afaik Christ didnt make them the forever rulers of Israel or something like that so Christ cant be the messiah from the Old Testament

>>515517873
the ottoman cumrag is right in that, χριστὸς is just the semantic borrowing of jewish messiah and means anointed, so it corresponds with "the anointed one", rabbi yeshu's nickname Christ is in line with it since his jewish followers thought he was the one promised in their jewish scriptures

>>515517873
>old testament was written in Hebrew
nonsense, the hebrew old testament was written in 896 AD, the Septuagint was written in 285 BC

>>515515745
Low levels hate it. High levels know it keeps you retards in the semitic spiritual playpen so you continue doing nothing as they finish taking over the world.

>>515517873
Yeah no shit retard.
Point being that whatever we call jews today are merely the descendants of those original heretics that denied Christ during his lifetime mainly because he told them he's the dude both prophesied as the messiah and who appeared in theophanies in the OT.

>>515518504
every thread is like this, you could bring the most rabid antichristians in these threads together with the highest authorities of christianity today and for 3/4 of the posts the latter two would agree against larpstians and their comical nu-age religion loosely based on christianity

>>515518405
ahh I finally get it, χριστὸς is a Greek word(not a name) meaning "the anointed one" which when sounded out is "christos" - you can google translate paste the name and tell it to sound it out for you. Jesus Christ - the "Christ" wasn't actually a part of his actual name, its an addendum when he became Christ, e.g. if there were prophecies predicting a man called "The Great" would rise up and conquer the world, then Alexander III of Macedon came and conquered the world and we would know/rename him as Alexander The Great - "The Great" par was added by us post his conquest, the Christ part was also added by us post him becoming the the central figure in Christianity
pic rel

judism didn't exist until after Christianity. Christianity exists out of hatred for the demons that had Christ killed.

ELAAAS!!!! ELAAS!!!!!!!!!111

>>515510507
They follow the Pharisees' traditions, the exact ones Jesus declared made them "hypocrites"

>>515518210
>the ottoman cumrag is right i
italian bro pls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SphSxF47fVY

>>515520366
>Jews are heretics because they aren't Christians
low iq retard babble aside:
They denied him because to them he wasn't the promised messiah because he didn't fulfill the covenant, for example Jesus didn't restore the Kingdom of David which was promised to them upon the arrival of Christ(the messiah)

>>515522331
shitaly is trash at war, yes, still, when I see a jew worshiper squatting in my beloved Hellas my blood boils, you have to pardon my frankness

>>515522766
>shitaly is trash at war, yes
>my blood boils
reality check. you can't be both a toe licking bitch and have an attitude. stfu.

>>515501614 (OP)
Orthobros will say "whatever bro just ignore it, doesn't matter"

>>515522766
check my flag yo

>>515522365
No, they're heretics because of their obstinate error in claiming that he didn't fulfill the covenant.
They might not like it how it was fulfilled, because they were expecting a proof text literal interpretation that would in a holistic sense ignore, for example, the prophecies about gentiles offering incense to God.
I suggest you stop granting these modern talmudic jews that their position is the correct one. Unless you're a jew, in which case, Lord have mercy.

>>515501614 (OP)
>thinking anything in the Bible is real or will ever come true
lmao

>>515522365
ironically nowadays as they are closer than ever to fulfilling their old testament's supremacist fantasies thanks to christians, they might very well see that he was indeed the messiah they didn't expect but needed to tame gentiles into obedient noahides

>>515512312
Without the old testament, there is no Christ and no messiah, take your schismatic saint to one of the ROCOR splinter cells, one of the thirteen true orthodogs

>>515523539
>correct
Please have some self reflection - youre a Christian claiming that people who reject Christ are in the wrong because Christ actually did fulfill the covenant, but it was all metaphorical and shit.
And if you actually do think Christ did fulfill the covenant - where is the Kindom of David? Its been 2k years, Hitler and Romans almost wiped them out in the meanwhile
>>515523993
Its far too early to speculate how this whole thing will pan out for them, especially now that people are turning against them on occasion of Palestine shitshow and booms dying off

also noticed that the Greek didnt respond to me btfoing his retarded argument

>>515509189
Protties will denounce that till Christ Himself rams the truth down their throat, expecting Him to forgive them for their blasphemy.
He won't, lol. "With my sacrifice, the promises are all fulfilled."
The end of bondage to the old ways. The contract is concluded, closed, over and done with.
That protties go "no, no there's still time" is testament to their ignorance, which is no defence in the court of God.

>>515524381
>schismatic saint
δὲν ἔμαθες καλὰ τὴν ἐκκλησιαστικὴ ἱστορία

>>515524998
I didn't learn it? Even the pope agrees the jews started this talk, and I'm sure Bart the Turk would agree we have much to credit them for. I know that you don't go to theology class, you END UP there

All foreign semetic shit can fuck back off to the shithole desert it came from.

>>515509189
meaningless babble since english wasn't in any way or shape the dominant language of the middle ages and the word jew comes from the french into english
throughout the last thousands of years since antiquity it's christians themselves in their sacred languages, Latin and Greek, that kept using non-stop the term Ἰουδαῖος/Iudaeus to refer to the same thing, the ethnic group that founded their religion but also the (in their view) schismatics that didn't accept the christ, especially as christianity became overwhelmingly dominated by gentiles
when a Tertullian or a Chrysostomos or an Aquinas almost 1000 years afterwards talk about Ἰουδαῖος/Iudaeus in the good or in the bad they are using the same word, because it's understood that they are still one ethnic group, which, if anything, is necessary in order for them to consider them the carriers of the guilt for the murder of the christ

>>515524426
The Orthodox Church's view on this is readily available on the internet.
It's either the spiritual rule of Christ over his visible true Church on Earth right now, incomprehensible to "invisible church" reformation heretics I know, or what's coming in the eschaton.

>>515501614 (OP)
>gilticus
>this thread

holy fuck, my sides

>>515513775
Judaism as you know it today is not what was practiced before Christianity. The Talmud was only actually compiled in the 4th and 4th centuries. Judaism today is the offshoot, Christianity is the original branch. All of the first Christians were actual god fearing Jews. The OT supports this, when referring to the Elect vs the rest of the ethnic Jews. There was always a spiritual Israel that remained faithful to the covenant, despite the non faithful ethnic Israelites that were part of the tribe. It was only the faithful ELECT that were able to recognize Jesus as the true messiah. See Simeon and Anna as an example.

>>515524426
>>515525706
Though I should add there's no reason why it cannot be both.
God is with us.

>>515525293
>the pope
ἀπὸ πότε μετρᾷ ὁ λόγος τοῦ πάπα στὴν Μία Ἁγία Ἐκκλησία; ὅλοι οἱ Ἅγιοι ὁμοφώνως ἀποσαφηνίζουν πὼς οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι εἶναι ἀπόβλητοι καὶ ὄχι ἱδρυτὲς οὔτε δημιουργοὶ παρὰ μόνο ψεῦτες διαστρέφοντες ὅ,τι ἀλήθεια τοὺς ἔφεραν οἱ Προφῆτες.

>>515527346
The pope's word counts, it counts so much that the only reason we haven't had another ecumenical in 1200 years is because we value HIS input, and want the schism solved. All the saints sure said a lot but it took Hitler to get the jews out of Greece, somehow all our locals couldn't do anything. Besides, who do you think Christ was talking to about the law, who was he trying to save first and foremost?

>>515501614 (OP)
No official greek orthodox bible is written in english.

>>515522365
As I know the prophesies did not always state timeline when it should happens. You stated debunked opinion as I know. Some jesus-lover jew made a video about this and other jews could not refute him. Only kvetching.

>>515527882
the orthodox study bible is sold on the orthodox marketplace which is directly affiliated with the greek orthodox archdiocese of america. idk if there are official ‘endorsements’ but this amounts to the same thing

>>515528898
>>515527882
Interestingly enough, the study bible is a rebranded KJV, which is not an official version domestically

>>515527825
>The pope's word counts
οὔτε κᾂν λίγο, οὔτε κατὰ τοὺς Ἱεροὺς Κανόνες
>the jews out of Greece
πουθενὰ δὲν ἐπήγαν ἔκατσαν μιὰ χαρά, τὰ φτειάξανε μὲ τὰ γκομενιλίκια νὰ γλυτώσουν σἂν τὴν Ῥόζα Ἐσκενάζ, καὶ νὰ τὸν Μπουρλᾶ...

>>515526880
Change doesn't mean Judaism took Christianity and corrupted it.
An example: Christianity also has changed, has it not? Would you then argue "Christianity took some French Enlightenment values therefore Christianity is an corruption of French Enlightenment"? This doesn't make much sense.
>faithful ELECT that were able to recognize Jesus as the true messiah
I understand your point - the jews who actually practiced Judaism converted and some random jews took over post Christianity as an opposition/reaction to Christianity. Not sure if this is true, would have to read history to confirm this.
>>515528351
thats a neat copout
>"hey Im the new Messiah"
>dont fulfill the prophecies
>heh just wait 10 gorillion years and they will eventually be fulfilled, in the meanwhile abandon your old faith and convert to my teachings
wouldnt the jews then be justified in not converting to Christianity UNITLL the covenant is fulfilled?

>>515529156
Saints cannot override the Bible and the Bible is clear on what the Pope's power is.

>>515529156
Really, so why are we trying to smooch him then, why are we so hellbent on regaining union if the Pope doesn't matter? If WE get our way, he is an equal, if HE gets his way, we are sidelined. If we left it up to the byzantines, we'd be catholics today, the last emperor was a fucking uniate!

>>515528351
It was this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MWiy6UuIP6A

>>515501614 (OP)
It did rise from judaism but that lineage is stopped by Jesus when He founded Christianity. And Christianity is way different from Judaism.

>>515510507
Yes. Many Jews from that time converted to Christianity which continues to use the Septuagint. Because of a variety of reasons, but mainly because the Septuagint prophetized Jesus and the Jews sought to discredit him, Judaism converted to the Masoretic texts a few hundred years after Jesus. Modern Judaism, and therefore modern Jews, are a different religion than the Jews before Jesus time. They are the sect of Jews that killed Jesus and changed their religion to justify doing so.

>>515503468
And the non-rabbinic judaism is le heckin' based or what? It's still a mindfuck religion that restrains people from developing individuality.

>>515529432
>we
not we
literal excommunicated heretics
all of the Hierarchy excluding Ambrosius of Kalavrita is excommunicated in violation of Canon 4 or the 7th Ecumenical Synod, as well as Canons 11 and 62 of the Quinisext Ecumenical Synod
>>515529361
Apostle Peter still holds the keys picrel, not your worldly heresiarch
you thought they get passed down?

>>515529309
Not my points, his, I am only observer:
https://www.youtube.com/@SOBEIT32AD/videos

>>515530420
So are you an old believer or something, or does your schism stem from later? We can't even be unified in an opposition, it's like a metro ride, every stop people come in and get out. If the Greek orthodox church is bogus, and the Muscovites are Sergianists, and the Ecumenical Patriarchate is a CIA front....who do you go by?

>>515501614 (OP)
christianity is a sect of judiasm. did you really not know this?

>>515530807
>If the Greek orthodox church is bogus, and the Muscovites are Sergianists
both false presuppositions
the Saints are alive and present in the Church
and they didn't take it (the vax)

>>515503468
This, also Jesus is the light and the way

>>515529309
>Christianity also has changed, has it not? Would you then argue "Christianity took some French Enlightenment values therefore Christianity is an corruption of French Enlightenment"?
Every Orthodox Christian and even Tradcath would argue exactly that.
The reformation churches are a spawn of post enlightenment humanism and are "Christian" in name only. And I say tradcaths specifically because post Vatican II the catholic church is undeniably guilty of the same error.
I suggest you read the early Church fathers. They would denounce every last one of the heterodox protestant church teachings that are often merely reinstantiations of the many early Church heresies, which is what you would expect through the rejection the tradition, The Church, that birthed the bible in the first place, and which they now make personal interpretations of as if the texts just say what they mean and mean what they say.

>>515531227
It is in their university that they taught me the value of ECUMENISM, You can't deny the fact that the patriarchs want communion with the Oriental and the Western churches, they've been trying that since...the start of these schisms

>>515530309
My favorites are those ultraorthodox hassidics, all they do is study their books, they don't even get jobs, they just study their torahs and have 12 kids each

>>515531381
Ok, respectable consistency

>>515531622
>their university
Orthodox Theology is not learned at university but in a monastery cell φίλε
and Ecumenism is condemned as the Heresy of the Century by many many saints, who prophecy that it will be condemned by a final Ecumenical Council which will be called at the end of WW3

>>515532324
To preach God is one thing, to understand him is another, that's why I see the greybeards and monks going to class here, even they come to study the bible to learn how these books were formed. I want to know what it is you think prevents another ecumenical council, they made it clear to me, why do you think they're waiting?

>>515501999
Judaism came after Christianity. The religion of the hebrews was call Yahwism, not Judaism. Judaism was created after the fall of the temple, after 70AD. A lot of effort is made to conflate Israelites and jews, Hebrews and jews, and judaism and Yahwism by dishonest actors.

>>515532829
>what it is you think prevents another ecumenical council,
Ecumenical Councils can only be called by the ruling king at the throne of Christendom
so if Putin reestablished the monarchy, it could happen...
it's not like the pope need be present, he wasn't at the 6th Ecumenical lol

>>515533762
Both your hair-splitting sectoids have it in common that the messiah hasn't arrived yet. Karaites, Samaritans and Rabbinists alike play these games of when REAL judaism came about, but they reject Christ, and follow the Torah, that's vital to who they are. That's like saying your dad isn't your father cause he switched jobs!

>>515533762
posts like this perfectly encapsulate the reputation of christian spammers, just desperate to sink to any low to sell
I can name the line in the NT where the word Judaism is literally mentioned or how they called the people who followed Moses in gentile Greek sources, but you can't find any YHWHism you just made up

>>515501614 (OP)
>Jesus Christ comes for the lost sheep of Israel
>Israel rejects their Messiah
>Jesus tells Paul to bring gentiles into the fold
God is God of all people including all nations outside of Israel.

>>515534082
He doesn't need to be present, but he needs to agree. The pope didn't even show up to the first one, they had a representative do so. That's why we hold these seven in common agreement. The byzantines didn't dare for seven hundred years to hold another ecumenical and they held the city, in fact every time they met the catholics post schism, they sucked them OFF, why do you think that occurs?

>>515518504
Orthodox believe he was Jewish as well. Where does it say that we don't?

John 4:9-
Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, 'How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?

>>515534110
IT isn't "hair splitting" to point out the truth. Judaism is not Yahwism. Jews are not the Hewbrews or Israelites. Only the jews themselves try to make this conflation to give themselves more gravity than they deserve, to manipulate Christians, and to claim land that never belonged to them. What specifically are you disputing?

>>515534156
>I can name the line in the NT where the word Judaism is literally mentioned
Do it. Then find the original language. Middle age translations used "jew" and Judaism" inappropriately because they conflated the terms due to who was doing the translations. Find the original text and find "judaism".

>>515534917
There is no difference between your Yahwists and Jews as we know them, they were both law abiding, messiah-awaiting folk, I dispute the fact you're trying to create divisions where there are none

>>515534446
>why do you think that occurs?
same reason is still happens today
same reason the Jesuits had St Hieromartyr Patriarch Lucaris assassinated and you scholastic ecumenist semicarians still slander his name by calling him the "calvinist patriarch"
it is a mystery who is more legendary, Greek heroes or Greek traitors

>>515535101
I'm not even remotely surprised I have to quote the bible to one of these brown online larpstians

>>515534917
not a single one of these distinctions mattered already in the hellenistic period let alone in the christian period, all of those people were collectively known as "judaean" based on their ethnicity and culture and traditions
the penis mutilating followers of moses and worshipers of YHWH were known as "jews"

>>515535272
They did have him killed, I remember that story from the very first lecture I was given. The story of the EP during the Turks was a sad tale of simony and surrender, I don't respect the hierarchy any more than you do, because I don't base my metaphysics on who some armenian or slavic usurper raised to the throne of the see, we're taught to look past degenerate imperial acclamation as a method of holiness. The truth is, this church exists because the Romans wanted it so, but the state it was based on outgrew it, it threw it away at the moment of greatest need, it went with Florence. We are on the same page on being cynical, you'll find out that we have some things in common

>>515536315
>I don't respect the hierarchy any more than you do
all Orthodox need to understand that St John Chrysostom (the Great I'd add) Patriarch of Constantinople (formerly Patriarch of Antioch) whose Divine Liturgy we celebrate every Sunday and preached 8 long Homilies Against the Jews was not only EXILED 3 times from Constantinople but even finally reposed in exile...

>>515516595
That's just greek for anointed, just like "satan" just means adversary/accuser in hebrew

>>515535218
>There is no difference between your Yahwists and Jews as we know them
There were numerous differences. Yahwists religious practice centered around the temple, and the Sadducees, the actual scholars, ran the religion. Juadiasm is cobbled together after the fall of the temple, the Sadducees were dead, they followed the lay scholar hobbyists, the Pharisees. The Pharisees followed the Talmud as their ultimate authority, which Jesus called out, and he called them out for the excessive legalism. So, not the same thing. Following the Talmud is not even close to following the Tanakh. By your eagerness to conflate these things, I can guess where your loyalties lie. With your father the devil.

>>515535596
Can you link the original Septuagint version?
Also the word Jew existed, it just didn't mean what you are implying it meant. It meant only one of two things originally. From the line of Judah, or a Judean. It was not their religion, which didn't exist at that time.

>>515538052
The talmud didn't exist at the time of the pharisees, and the saducees were no saints either. Judaism was beset by many factions, all of which agreeing that Christ was not the messiah, even now those that reject the talmud, STILL don't accept christ. Look at the Karaites!

>>515538293
>The talmud didn't exist at the time of the pharisees
You should fact check that. It existed after the Babylonian captivity, hundreds of years earlier.

>>515538401
I dispute that claim, you're conflating the first babylonian captivity with the romans kicking them out of jerusalem

>>515538291
https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/default.asp
the best

>>515538291
nigger I just posted it https://sacred-texts.com/bib/poly/gal001.htm
I could post the uncial manuscripts but you'd not even be capable of reading it
the word jew existed and described the entire ethnic group, not your completely irrelevant headcanon, see >>515535968 , Diodorus Siculus, writing in the first century BC
why do you think Josephus wrote a book called "Jewish antiquities" and not "Israelitic antiquities" or some other cope of yours?

BLACK GENOCIDE... NOW!!

>>515538971
>and described the entire ethnic group
Which I stated above. IT was not the religion, it was the people from Judea. The Israelites were not jews. Abraham was not a jew. Isaac was not a jew. Moses was not a jew. Samson was not a jew, etc. Moses was a Hewbrew (descended from Eber), and Israelite (one of the 12 tribes of which Judah was only 1), and a Levite (from the tribe of Levi). You conflating what the bible itself says is a personal reading problem. How the fuck could Abraham be descended from his own descendant?
>why do you think Josephus wrote a book called "Jewish antiquities"
One of your early church leaders does not overwrite the bible itself. The way people misuse words, does not redefine them.

>>515538721
No I'm not. The Talmud existed as an oral tradition long before it was written down. Jesus calls them (Pharisees) out for following their own made up doctrines (Talmud). Most of you still follow that, and certainly don't follow anything resembling the Tanakh.

>>515540629
again, it's pointless, you don't even understand english, let alone ancient languages, you are just about as slimy as any christian on /pol/, doing the equivalent of mentioning Ingaevones and Chatti when talking about the ethnicity of Martin Luther

"Jew" is not a word used because of the kingdom of judah, it' a word used because they were ALL, including abraham and moses, collectively known with such term, it's that simple
so yes, Israelites are "Jew" in the way this term has been used since the hellenistic period
>One of your early church leaders
>Josephus
>early church leader
the absolute fucking state of larpstians, please keep up, I couldn't come up with antichristian material as good as simply having you post on /pol/

>>515501999
According to pre-Bible Christianity, the Earth was created by demigod monster. The God of the Jews. Jesus was the original deity in man form, different from the one that created earth and us.

>>515540835
The talmud didn't exist at the time of jesus you moron, what is the talmud anyways? The collection of sayings of rabbis, Jesus WAS a rabbi! The rabbis talk about their book of laws, and comment on it, and that is a fucking crime to you?

>>515541657
>"Jew" is not a word used because of the kingdom of judah, it' a word used because they were ALL, including abraham and moses
lmao
Judah was the great-grandson of Abraham, and Judah's 3 sons were the first jews to ever exist
Abraham was called a Hebrew. Apostle Paul wrote the Epistle to the Hebrews, not the Epistle to the Jews

>>515541717
There were twenty pre bible christianities, cause what isn't standardized can't be described in one categorical form. This means nothing to me, because one sect of those men ultimately formed the bible we have today

>>515501614 (OP)
Everyone already knows this

>>515542640
>Jesus WAS a rabbi
rabbi was not an official title before the Destruction of Jerusalem 70AD
before that only the Priesthood mattered

>>515543612
They destroyed their homeland, and they took all the sayings of their holy persons and assembled them into a book. Christianity does that too, look at all the saint books and canons we have

>>515542763
again, someone with 0 clue about how those words were used already centuries before christ, no surprise whatsoever

>>515503468
>this jew didn't like these specific jews, this means that you must adopt their customs and gods

huuuhhhh???

>>515531341
the light definitely not, and the way to getting buckbroken on a cross sure lmao

>>515541657
>"Jew" is not a word used because of the kingdom of judah, it' a word used because they were ALL, including abraham and moses
Nope. Again, how can Abraham be descended from his own descendant you idiot? You misusing a word, anyone misusing a word, does not change what it means. If you actually read the Torah, not your supplemental material, it is obvious you are wrong and what you are sayin can not logically make sense.

>>515542640
The Talmud did exist. It was oral before it was written down. The Babylonian Talmud matched the Jerusalem talmud in many ways, showing it existed before the captivity you are referencing. The oral traditions of the Pharisees is called out in Christ's words, you should read them.

>>515501614 (OP)
>arose from

Does anyone actually read the bible? Jesus was a fucking jew. He was mad at the other jews because they weren't jewish enough for him. They weren't following the Torah.

He never intended to create an entirely new religion based on himself. He never gave a shit about goyim. He wanted jews to return to their original teachings. Christians are the real jews and the modern jews are the sinners and only larp as jews for tribal benefits.

>>515501614 (OP)
JEsus was circumcised /thread

>>515542789
Exactly. It means they viewed Jesus as seperate, and not the God of the Jews.

>>515543944
>centuries before christ
Josephus was half a century AFTER Christ
you are cutting out like 200yrs of jewish identity politics that took place under the reign(s) of the Seleucids and Ptolemies, during which point "Jewishness" became attached to the Temple religion (circa 160 BC)

>>515544604
It means "they" aren't an entity, in fact that's the point of having twenty heresies act at the same time

>>515509189
the fact that the modern e-christian's main gripe with kikes is that they want to be the chosen child rapists instead of the jews only further reinforces my belief that all abrahamists need to fill a mass grave

>>515544230
Every book was oral before written down, it 'existed' in that rabbis existed, and they had things to say. That's like saying you existed in your father's balls before your mother had you, meaningless

>>515545558
They were the original Christians. Whether you like it it not. The formation process of the Roman Catholic Church incorporates many other pagan beliefs and rituals. Their ownership and authority of Christianity is not formal.

>>515544640
I posted Diororus Siculus quoting Hecateus who lived even earlier, fucking clown

>>515544230
you are simply too brown to understand elementary english, it's literally impossible to communicate with you, I tried but it's no use, 20 IQ gap from white average is an unsurmountable barrier

>>515546370
Bogomils were not the original christians, and trying to find out who the original christians are is as simple as opening Acts and reading about the apostles. Catholicism having pagan themes is called having a culture, Judaism takes from far antiquity too if we play that game...The pope is not the head of all christians, but right now, he's the flagship, when we talk about white people we think of some blondie blue-eyes, cause these are the flagship entities, there is such a thing as moral authority whether you get it or not

>>515501614 (OP)
Anyone not retarded knows this.

>>515546916
I'm not referring to just Bogomils but Gnostics in general.

Discussing Papal authority with a Protestant is silly.

>>515546614
>Diororus Siculus
knew about jewish merchants who frequented the mediterranean and only knew they were from Canaan like the Phoenicians (Cadmus, Poenix and Europe) and in this way Diodorus gives the "jews" he's talking about a Greek genealogy (going back to Io daughter of Inachus) since they were cousins of Egypt and Danaus
at that time they still distinguished themselves by tribe
Apostle Paul repeatedly says he's a Benjaminite, not a jew

>>515501614 (OP)
Cool ir with the t*rkish propaganda, dude.

>>515547824
If a Russian during the cold war went to America and espoused republicanism, that didn't make him a good american, it made him a sad soviet. Whether you accept the Romans or not, they have the hold on the faith, if aliens landed tomorrow we'd get the pope on the line, not the thirteen different sods of ROCOR.
Gnostics in general though...I mean the Mandaeans are the closest you'll ever get to card-carrying Gnostics as a nationality, and they rejected Christ you know, it doesn't seem like this is the right approach....

>>515501999
But i was told from anons here that judaism came to be after Christianity well after was formed

>>515548118
>completely blanks out on the argument and goes on a tangent
>ignores that he was quoting Hecateus of Abdera(~300BC)
cementing the reputation of christians as worse than jews on /pol/

>>515546828
What's wrong? You were explaining how Abraham was descended from his own descendant. He was somehow descended from his own grandson, explain it to us scholar. Don't shy away like a bitch, explain it.

Next you can explain why the modern nation of Israel has a 92IQ even though they claim to be successful because they are so smart.

>>515501614 (OP)
FUCK THE DISGUSTING t*rkish SCOUNDRELS !

>>515548434
Yeah and I was told Jews came from Ukraine and white people from Israel!

>>515545810
Oh ok, so it did exist before he second Babylonian captivity, unlike what you said earlier. Thanks for demonstrating what a dishonest piece of shit you are.
Again, read the words of Jesus, you are of your father the devil. You can only tell lies, because there is no truth in him.

>>515548758
It didn't exist, anymore than you did before your father had sex, you ridiculous non-denom demon

>>515548562
you are unable to understand how a word that is once used in a sense can become used in another
"Greek" once meant an inhabitant of a little town in mainland Greece, centuries later it's the term used to describe every Greek once Romans take over
"Gaul" once meant a member of a tiny irrelevant tribe in southern France, centuries later it's the term used to describe every Celtic speaker in the west
"Anglo" once meant an inhabitant of the southeasternmost part of Britain, centuries later it's used to describe every english speaker
"Jew" once meant a member of a tiny subtribe of a completely irrelevant tribe mentioned in jewish scriptures, centuries later........
can your 1000cc negrified brain fill in the dots?

>>515548496
>cementing the reputation of christians as worse than jews on /pol/
Nobody except your fellow JIDF jeets and a smattering of helpful idiot teenagers takes you or your histrionic campaign seriously, søyanim.

>>515549183
sure thing bud, keep telling yourself that

Rabbinical Judaism arose from a merging of Pharsees and Sadducees after they got chased out of the area by the Romans. It's a cope religion centered around the lack of a Temple, which was necessary for the Israelite religion from which both Christianity and modern Rabbinical Judaism descend.

Christianity is the older religion. Modern Rabbinical Judaism wasn't fully formed until about 1100AD and wasn't recognizable even as Judaism until about the 400's AD at the very very most liberal earliest.

>>515549401
Gen Z still has 24% Judaism? Wow

>>515544383
He was a Judean citizen, but he was an Israelite and not a "jew." He calls them the Synagogue of Satan you know lol.

>>515549588
christians haven't imported enough replacement messianic jews from sudaca, give it time

>>515549176
Nope, those all referred to people groups. Your pilpul skills need work. You specifically said:
>it' a word used because they were ALL, including abraham and moses
So let's hear your jewish nonsense to explain this. Stop hiding behind implying you have a point, and actually make your point. How can a man be descended from his own grandson?
>words change
I already told you, you misusing a word doesn't change what it means, and it doesn't change the bible. You are following the traditions of men, just like Christ warned you would.

>>515548496
>blanks out on the argument
you mean this nonsense? >>515541657
>"Jew" is not a word used because of the kingdom of judah, it' a word used because they were ALL, including abraham and moses
you have yet to give at least 1 source calling either Abraham or Moses jews

>>515524509
Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

>>515549874
already did posting primary sources, completely unable to get the point across, as right now you keep not understanding elementary english
again, my fault dealing with people shilling the brownest, most subhuman religion on the planet by a long shot

>>515548915
>pilpul
Exactly. You have no point, and like slime you are attempting to slip between my fingers. The Pharisees following their own made up traditions is called out by Jesus, and you are still doing it today. Jews don't hate liars, they hate people that tell the truth.

>>515550188
What fucking slime? They obeyed the law of Judaism, how do they differ from the ancients?

>>515548369
That's a strawman argument. Selecting some obscure branch of gnostics as an example of gnosticism is ridiculous. Gnosticism was a significant and controversial movement in early Christianity. Their believes are as valid as the Roman version of Christianity. That's not to say both are perversions of Christianity.

>>515550028
>already did posting primary sources,
The primary source is the Torah. It completely contradicts you. Your only argument is that people later misused the word, which I said at the outset. You have nothing other than pointing to other people misusing the word. As I said in my very first post:
>A lot of effort is made to conflate Israelites and jews, Hebrews and jews, and judaism and Yahwism by dishonest actors.

>>515503468
>beware the leaven of the Pharisees

>>515501614 (OP)
it came from the israelites jews are pagans

bro..... if you're a real christian you are not ACTUALLY suppose to read the bible...
you're suppose to pretend to
>.t modern christian

>>515550475
They're all valid in that you can state them and not get smitten by the sun like a vampire, but that applies to all sects and faiths. You say I selected one tiny sect, but I chose the most well versed and ancient angelic gnostic cult, your gnostics pale in comparison to those whose very blood dictates their course

>>515522766
greece pushed your shit in medbro... sorry but you'll sit tf down

>>515501614 (OP)
> Because ye have said, The LORD hath raised us up prophets in Babylon; 16Know that thus saith the LORD of the king that sitteth upon the throne of David, and of all the people that dwelleth in this city, and of your brethren that are not gone forth with you into captivity; 17Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will send upon them the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, and will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil. 18And I will persecute them with the sword, with the famine, and with the pestilence, and will deliver them to be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse, and an astonishment, and an hissing, and a reproach, among all the nations whither I have driven them: 19Because they have not hearkened to my words, saith the LORD, which I sent unto them by my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but ye would not hear, saith the LORD.

>>515550973
it's not like they are going to undo being raped by Romans so hard they called themselves Romaioi for a millennium before being raped by Ottomans under the blessing of the very YHWH they worship

>>515551288
Frankly if we could get Roman to mean Greek speaking, Greek looking, Greek born Orthodox, then I'd be happy to see more of that, you better make like a roman and hellenize

>>515550925
Gnosticism is prevalent in secret societies.

>>515501614 (OP)
You know what they say

better to be a good goy than a dead goy

>>515550373
>They obeyed the law of Judaism
That wasn't the law. The law was the law of Moses the Levite, and of the Hebrews. The laws of Judaism were what got Judea destroyed and scattered to the winds.

>>515551831
Sure, cause they oppressed it to death, Mandeans are born gnostics, they don't run, they don't hide, they are your victory state.

>>515501614 (OP)
what the fuck some tranny posted a stupid opinion on twitter no way

>>515501614 (OP)
extremely misinterpreted concepts
half of the bible is literally jesus talking about how much he hates jews and jews are the children of satan.

>>515501614 (OP)
>the christgolem is just realizing that christianity is judaism 2.0
Oh no no no

>>515551928
The goyim in this case refers to Pagans

>>515552059
The laws of the Hebrews are the laws of Judaism, I want to know how they differ apart from both rejecting Christ which you seem to be fine with

>>515552121
>the oldest source is the misinterpreted one
The cope is off the charts kek!!

>>515550373
>law of Judaism
no such thing ever existed
there was the Law of Moses
and there were some pharisaic traditions like tithing anise and mint (colloquially lumped together with the "law" as in Mt 23:23)
Moses was not a jew.

>>515552121
OP posted it because it's the Russian tranny Gliticus who posted it
goes to show that not only OP is part of that tranny group (the 1 post by this ID was pretty telling anyway)
And it goes to show that whole group are the peoples behind the anti christian spam.
Who else than a tranny could write that crap?
Russia get your shit together

>>515508499
Nice try.
Next you’ll try to claim democrats don’t like democracy and republicans are anti republic.

>>515552413
Moses wasn't Jewish? Please tell me what he was!

>>515501614 (OP)
if jesus was a jew then real jews used to be white, simple as

There has always been one single religion which is the truth of God.
Judaism, gnosticism and all the worship of other gods is perversion and lies.
Even before the flood it is recorded that Noah and Enoch preached that Christ would come to save people.
Well known facts to those who are chosen and called and sanctified by God.
The testimony of Christ is the spirit of prophecy.
Kikes received the truth and tossed it like a hot potatoe now they claim they still have it lol pathetic damned animals.

>>515552595
>Moses wasn't Jewish? Please tell me what he was!
Moses was a Levite by his own assertion

>>515552074
Speaking aramaic and worshipping John makes them an unfavourable example.

Early Christian Gnostics viewed Jesus as Messiah and spoke many other languages, thus disqualifying Mandeans

>>515501999
You don’t know what Judaism is then

>>515552991
That's a tall order, like saying "we're not Greeks, we're Aetolians!", the levites were a clan of jews anon

>>515553142
Speaking aramaic is a bad thing? Christ spoke Aramaic too! How the fuck does that disqualify Mandaeans? I know we can't find priscillians, valentinians, or any of these sects anymore, but we can find my guys...

>>515501614 (OP)
none of those highlighted texts says it arose from judaism? are you ok?

>>515553250
>the levites were a clan of jews
Levi was actually Judah's brother and therefore not a jew by definition
a jew by definition is neither a levite
aeolians, aetolians, ionians, achaeans, all are descended from Hellen and not Hellen's brothers and therefore are Greeks
what aren't you getting?

>>515501614 (OP)
and paul was a merkavah mystic that recieved an instruction to spread it to the gentiles while visiting the throne. with out that it would have stayed a jew only sect

>>515552545
Nice try what?
Christians and modern rabbinical talmudic jews stem from the same root tradition; that's never been disputed, but that doesn't mean we should equivocate modern rabbinical talmudic jews with said root.

>>515553544
He's mistaking a religion with an ethnicity

>>515501999
Melchizedek was not a Jew.
You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek
You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek
You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek

>>515552745
>Judaism, gnosticism and all the worship of other gods is perversion and lies.
It's interesting how they're all the same thing every time, The Fall over and over: "Ye shall be as gods!"

>Adam ate the Fruit, believing the serpent
>antediluvian humans gave their daughters to the Watchers in exchange for heavenly knowledge
>Nimrod constructed Babel to elevate humanity on its own terms
>Talmudic Jews see themselves as the instruments of their own salvation
>Gnostics believe they can apotheosize through rigorous study and effort

Whatever New Age religion pops up in the next several decades will inevitably be the same thing, only flavored with technology and biological manipulation.

Man made horrors beyond our comprehension.

>>515553757
They are the sons of Abraham, they are the jews as a nation, not one ethnologist is gonna talk about Judah being the brother of Levi, nor who's descended from Hellen or not, you're equating mythology to ethnology

>Quamquam habeamus ipsum Deum idoneum pollicitatorem et fidelem sponsorem, qui Abrahae promiserat quod in semine ejus benedicerentur omnes nationes terrae (Gen., XXII, 18), et quod ex utero Rebeccae duo populi et duae gentes essent processurae (Gen., XXV, 23): utique Judaeorum, id est Israel; et Gentium, id est noster.
>although we have God Himself as an adequate engager and faithful promiser, in that He promised to Abraham that in his seed should be blessed all nations of the earth; and that out of the womb of Rebecca two peoples and two nations were about to proceed, — of course those of the Jews, that is, of Israel; and of the Gentiles, that is ours.

>>515553500
I know jesus spoke aramaic. Them adopting it as official goes against the spirit of Christianity, who's apostels taught the Greeks. Saying Christianity has an official language is silly.

Thomas Aquinas, Catena Aurea, chapter 4, lecture 4, commentary by Saint John Christostomos on John 4:22
>The words, For salvation is of the Jews, mean that every thing calculated to save and amend the world, the knowledge of God, the abhorrence of idols, and all other doctrines of that nature, and even the very origin of our religion, comes originally from the Jews. In salvation too He includes His own presence, which He says is of the Jews, as we are told by the Apostle, Of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came. See how He exalts the Old Testament, which He shows to be the root of every thing good; thus proving in every way that He Himself is not opposed to the Law.

>>515553250
No the jews were a clan of the Israelites. You have swallowed too much jewish propaganda.

St. Aquinas, Pauline commentaries, Romans, chapter 1, lecture 6
>The third thing to be considered is the people for whom the Gospel works salvation, namely, both the Jews and the gentiles. For God is God not of the Jews only, but also of the gentiles, as he says below (Rom 3:19); hence he adds to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
>By Greek is meant all the gentiles, because the gentiles’ wisdom arose from the Greeks.
>But since he says below there is no distinction between Jew and Greek (Rom 10:12), why does he say here that the Jew is first?
>The answer is that there is no distinction as far as the goal of salvation to be obtained is concerned, for both obtain an equal reward, just as in the vineyard the early and the late workers received one coin (Matt 20:10). But in the order of salvation the Jews are first, because the promises were made to them (Rom 3:2), whereas the gentiles were included in their grace like a branch grafted into a cultivated olive tree (Rom 11:24). Also, our savior was born from the Jews: salvation is from the Jews (John 4:22).

>>515554227
>ethnologist
wtf made up profession is that anon?
it's simple
family>tribe>ethnos
family was determined by father's name
jews were only 1 of the 12 tribes that made up the ethnos of Jacob/Israel
just like Ionian Greeks are distinct from Aetolian Greeks, same ethnos of Hellen but one descended from Ion and the other from Aetolus, making them different tribes, and even giving them distinguishing dialects and customs

>>515554885
see >>515550562

>>515555186
sorry as soon as I read "the primary source is the torah" I knew you were trolling, well done

>>515554739
Their apostles taught everybody, not just Greeks, but my point is that these Gnostics aren't even Christians, they don't have to be, Gnosticism is a tendency different from Christianity which affected it for a time but lost that fight. Gnosticism isn't primeval Christianity, it exists as a separate thing

>>515554970
Jews and Israelites are one and the same in meaning, this is shaping up to be the new brapmin or kshartriya debate

>>515555674
Then who went into captivity under the Assyrians 800 years before Christ? And why didn't Christ live in Israel? Your pilpul is weak.

>>515555185
Made up profession? You're the one talking about mythological characters birthing Greece, I'm trying to look past that, to talk about the no names that quietly and slowly made the nation and not some demigod on a pegasus. If jews are just one tribe, where are the rest?

>>515555444
My original point still stands, early Christians like the Gnostics didn't see Jesus as the same as the God of the Jews. I have to finish my work now, it was fun arguing greekanon. This Afrikaner wishes you well.

>>515556150
The northern kingdom did, the jews who split from the United Kingdom, and what the hell do you mean he didn't live in Israel?

>>515555674
No they are not. Someone from Judah was a Judahite, someone from Israel was an Israelite. Neither word would be synonymous with Jew.

Judaism used to be spread orally and thousands of people had to share a single text. They did this so that it could be edited or redacted more easily.
Once the septuagint was written, it sort of froze the religion for Christians. But jews kept editing it with the talmud and such and now it is in some ways, unrecognizable. I concede that.

But Christianity did come from Judaism, only retarded pol shitskins who only know the bible from Instagram edits would say otherwise

>>515556281
Have a good day man, all I'm saying is there was a gnosticism before Christianity, some became Christians, others stayed what they were, it's not some revolution...

The doublethink required to hate Jews while also believing the bible is a divine book and trusting the words of Saul of Tarsus truly blows my mind. Every time I hear someone try and rationalise it, it always amuses me.

>>515501614 (OP)
all abrahamic religions need to be discarded

>>515556586
This is like arguing about Greeks, Hellenes and Achaeans, there was an Israel before the division of the United Kingdom, the names don't reflect the full reality here

>>515557480
it's pointless, a fools errand, you could post literal christian apologists from the second century implying israel = jew in the common understanding of the word but he just blanks out and starts the same routine again, like someone insisting Luther wasn't German because he can't find the word German in Tacitus applied to someone in east Germany

>>515503468
Trvke

>>515557010
>Christianity did come from Judaism
No, it came from Temple Israelism. Judaism is what the Pharisees were teaching. You know, the bad guys of the New Testament.

>>515556174
>You're the one talking about mythological characters birthing Greece
>I'm trying to look past that
in other words
you're just making it up

>>515556364
There were no jews in the northern kingdom. Jew means line of Judah, or a Judean. The Judeans were at war with the Israelites over unfair taxes.
See picrel: >>515534917
>and what the hell do you mean he didn't live in Israel?
Israel was already destroyed centuries before Christ was born. He was a Judean from the land of Judea. Did you even bother to read the bible at all? Maybe start around Hosea, where God clearly delineates the prophecies and future of Judea are completely distinct from the prophecies and future of Israel (Ephraim). IT is plainly written for anyone with eyes to read. They are not the same thing.

>>515559155
Two Jewish groups having a messianic disagreement does not make your preferred group of Jews somehow not Jewish.

its literally in every single fucking bible you charlie kirk evangelical moron

>>515559203
Yeah okay Shpongle, you're the shaman talking about Methuselah level antiquity with names and addresses but I'm the storyteller!

>>515558223
>you could post literal christian apologists from the second century
That doesn't make them an authority that overwrites the bible itself. Following the doctrines of men is something you are specifically warned to beware of.

>>515559457
what do you mean? when protestants separated from catholicism they became the protestant race

>>515559659
>Shpongle
holy fuck i knew you were a yid

>>515559662
Sambo.....you'll never believe who composed the bible......

>>515559777
Trips of Kekkian truth

>>515559298
Jew means Israeli, or Israelite, it means this nation made of tribes and clans, like how Greeks are both a small townie population and all Hellas.
If there's a state called Hellas in the north, and a Greece in the south, that doesn't make them a different people.

>>515559873
Cause I quoted an English stoner?

>>515559155
>Temple Israelism
If Protestants and catholics can both be Christia, then Temple Israelism and Judaism can be the same thing as well.
Also, Temple Israelism? Lmao
A Temple full of semites hoarding gold, sacrificing blood, and raping children.

>>515560089
>like how Greeks are both a small townie population and all Hellas.
this is not even close to true
it's only comparable to how t*rks incorrectly call all Greeks Yonan even though Ionians are only a specific tribe (Asia Minor) but since it was the tribe the t*rks were most familiar with they applied the name to everyone incorrectly, just like you are doing calling Moses a jew.

>>515559980
I am aware. I am also aware you have dodged every refutation of your jewish bullshit instead opting to go for ad hom and snarky bullshit with no substance. You have still yet to explain how Abraham was descended from his own grandson. If this is what passes for clever where you are from, you should stick to talking to people there.

>>515560843
Sambo we're past this point, you cannot understand elementary english, this has been explained to you in every sense imaginable, you have already been utterly annihilated through primary sources from Greek antiquity and simply repeated your pavlovianly learned mantra

>>515560769
Why the fuck isn't it close to true? That's what the romans did to us, that's what we did to the Iranians calling them Persians, and how dare I say Moses was Jewish, when he was a levite, Levi of course being a tribe of Israel...

>>515560089
>Jew means Israeli, or Israelite
No it doesn't. It is a small subset of the Israelites. Since you like analogies so much here is one for you:
All umbrellas are objects, but not all objects are umbrellas. Does that help you?
Jew means jew. It means of the line of Judah, or from the land of Judea. Neither of those things is synonymous with Israelite. You have conflated terms, and now pose your ignorance as some new form of knowledge. I recommend actually reading the book in question since none of this is even debatable, all of these terms are defines in the text itself. Again, start in Hosea if you want o see that they are not the same, and will not be the same in the future.

i have an old book

>>515560404
>then Temple Israelism and Judaism can be the same thing as well
No, you didn't read your Bible. Jesus Christ had many complaints about how the Pharisees (modern day Jews) who had come back from Babylon - really their kids and grandkids - had brought alien practices into the Temple and were perverting it.

In fact 100+ years before Jesus Christ's time we read in the document called The Lament Of The Zadokite Priest, which was recovered in the 20th century, about how these Jews were perverting the Temple.

So, no. They can't be the same thing at all.

>Also, Temple Israelism?
Yes, it was the religion of the Israelites, of which Judah is only one tribe. It became impossible to practice when Rome sacked Jerusalem. So the survivors gradually cooked up and ossified Rabbinical Judaism, which is the descendant of the beliefs and practices of the Pharisees. Who are mutted out children of Babylonians mixed with Judahites who were taken captive but somehow, quickly rose in the ranks in Babylonian society once captive. It was a pretty easy captivity, rocketing to the ranks of high society and even becoming priests in the Babylonian religion.

>A Temple full of semites hoarding gold, sacrificing blood, and raping children.
Yes Jesus Christ put a stop to that though. And by the by the Temple was destroyed, sending the Jews on their patch to becoming what we know today.

>>515561086
>that's what we did to the Iranians calling them Persians
ancient sources refer to them as the Medes
you don't even have your history straight
just anthropology abiogenesis hindu-afro-roots darwin bullshit

>>515561061
Point to the post you feels explains your position. It will just be you misusing a word, and then falling back on other people also misusing a word. It is defined for you in the bible itself. You deciding to go with a jewish interpretation of jew that allows them to claim all of the land of Israel as their "homeland" is not convincing, when it directly contradicts the bible itself.

>>515561653
it's literally no use, you did not even understand the down syndromed haitian child tier analogy in >>515549176 I cannot help you, you are convinced the meaning of a word is X when that meaning hasn't been mainstream in approximately 2300 years, like someone hearing the word "Celt" and insisting it only refers to a small tribe in France

>>515561358
Jew means all those Hebrews, that's how I use it, that's how /pol/ uses it, that's how the world uses it. All ninety of your IQ points are spent on finding derivatives, substitutes, and adjacents to the word JEW. No one gives a Frenchman's fuck which tribe of the twelve they're a part of, any more than you care which city I come from, this bickering isn't just pointless, it hair splits you into baldness

>>515561542
Ancient sources call them all sorts of things that are regional and specific, Medes this, Persians that, basically calling an elephant a tusk and honestly I can work with that, provided we all know what this means

>>515501614 (OP)
that's a man

>>515561453
>Jesus Christ put a stop to that though
Did he though? Didn't he just get killed by them? And then his followers were driven out? Like what happens in Acts?

>>515561542
ancient sources call them Medes AND Persians when they were still distinct groups, then the term Persae takes over
likewise, in bronze age jewish anime there's Judah and all other tribes of followers of Moses, then by the time you get to historical sources, they are all called generically "Ioudaioi", because it's literally what tends to happen historically, people's ethnonyms are taken without consideration of how representative they are internally, like how we call them Bulgarians even though they have barely anything to do with Bulgars, or French even though they are mostly Gallo-Roman serfs speaking pidgin Latin

the jews coopted catholicism with vatican II, and the protestants with the scofield study bible, makes sense theyre trying to twist orthodoxy into a jew worshipping religion now, theyre the only ones left

>>515561453
Yes but in the same way that judaists are israelists without a temple, Protestants are Catholics without the real church.

I appreciate the quality response, but theyre all lying jews to me and every part about it is an evil semitic lie.
Also, Rome destroyed the temple lol

>>515501999
Those digits don't lie

>1 post by this ID
Why did you people kill Charlie, OP?

>>515501999
mad jew + prophecy = SAVIOR

>>515554152
FEAR THE OLD BLOOD

>>515501614 (OP)
I don't see these in my OSB? Did they release a new one for the globohomo ecumenist CIA greeks?

>>515553242
Do YOU know what Judaism the faith is about?

>>515501614 (OP)
i read the books in latin, greek, hebrew
it is not the greek or orthodox that creates a conflict

>>515561954
Jew was not used that way in the bible, only by people later when Jews were all that was left. God doesn't use Jew that way in the book of Hosea. Strange you will appeal to any authority but biblical authority. Some second century nobody, vernacular English, but not what is plainly written in Hosea.

>>515561971
>that's how I use it, that's how /pol/ uses it, that's how the world uses it.
It is incorrect, and not what you are implying. You are pretending that Jew means all Israelites, like saying that Jutes means all Germans. It is idiocy that is contradicted in the bible itself. As I said in my very first post, and you have proven again and again:
>A lot of effort is made to conflate Israelites and jews, Hebrews and jews, and judaism and Yahwism by dishonest actors.

>>515524426
>people who reject Christ are in the wrong
lets start with the illegal midnight arrest and trial. can you at least acknowledge that the pharisees were wrong to execute Him according to their own law

Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. The Jews saw it this way. Romans saw is this way, which is why they persecuted them. Why do Christcucks deny what they are?

>>515563141
>Yes but in the same way that judaists are israelists without a temple, Protestants are Catholics without the real church.
That's just silly, Romanism was invented by Constantine and is entirely different from the primitive Church of All Believers they had until Caesar founded his Church, which was the first great schism.

Protestants moved against Rome because Rome was not conducting itself as a proper church. And yes Romans destroyed the Temple, according to the Will of God.

>>515513775
there was bo such think as judaism until after Christ, in the ot it was the religion of the Israelites. Notice modern kikes call themselves isrealis, not Israelites.

>>515561954
>like someone hearing the word "Celt" and insisting it only refers to a small tribe in France
Celt is not a tribe, it is an ethnos
you are trying to say that you can refer to all Celts as Scots, even though not all Celts are Scots

>>515563844
the bible is completely irrelevant when discussing how the ethnic group is called by non-jews, of course the jews divided themselves in tribes and therefore would place importance on those internal little divisions, but for outsiders they were collectively known as jews, much like the Persians calld the Greeks "Ionians" even though Ionians were just a small subset

>>515563844
It is incorrect like calling us Greeks is and not Hellenes, I'm willing to be amicable and cooperative with the world, so I don't sperg out about things like this, "oh it's not turkey it's TUKRIYE" or Kiyv. I'm glad however that we could pinpoint the cause of butthurt here. Just know that every time someone on here says jew or kike, they don't care which of the two kingdoms they came from, nor their tribe in the twelver setup, they care about the nation. They care like I do, about the folk

>>515564411
>missing the point this fucking hard AGAIN
the point is, ethnonyms change with time, it may start referring to something localized and then end up referring to large swathes of people unified by common traits and origins
>you are trying to say that you can refer to all Celts as Scots, even though not all Celts are Scots
absolutely not, down syndromed tier retarded

>>515561971
>any more than you care which city I come from
σοβαρὰ ὅμως, ποῦ κατάγεσαι; γνωρίζεις;

>>515565055
A little island called Skopelos!

>>515564832
>ethnonyms change with time
>BUT NEVER ENOUGH FOR SCOTS TO ENVELOP CELTS LIKE JEWS ENVELOP ISRAELITES
makes total sense, like saying 2+2 can also be 3

>>515564549
>the bible is completely irrelevant
Exactly, you don't care about the truth, only your version of events that benefits jews.
>of course the jews divided themselves in tribes
This is the idiocy I'm talking about. The Jews didn't divide themselves, the Hebrews did. Jews are 1/12 of the tribes of Israel. The tribes of Israel are not jews divided by 12. Do you understand how fucking retarded your pilpul sounds when it is so clearly spelled out for you in the bible that is their entire claim to fame or ethnic identity at all?

>>515564621
>It is incorrect like calling us Greeks is and not Hellenes
No it is exactly what I said. YOu are attempting to call all Germans Jutes, and pretending other types of Germans are really just Jutes, even though that is not historically or ethnically correct. When someone says kike, they are explicitly talking about Jews. The people that used a circle instead of an X on Ellis Island, because they hate christians so much. Funny that every group that interacts with Jews, be it Jesus, The Romans, Martin Luther, Henry Ford, or Hitler, ALL have the exact same complaint. These people can not and will not tell the truth, under any circumstances. They are degenerate liars and every society would be better off without them. Even God though Judea would be better off without them and kicked them out.

>>515565668
ethnonyms don't have to follow any logic, they are taken by outsiders and used liberally to refer to people with common origins, if the little tribe the Greek colonists encountered close to their colony was called something like "Scotti" then we'd be calling them all Scotti because they were similar enough
likewise for jews

>>515514282
>Son of God
>Gets pelted by stones
>Has to run and hide (like a bitch)
Lmao.

>>515565788
>they are explicitly talking about Jews
Yeah, Israelis or Israelites, Hebrews, the sons of Abraham, they don't say oh that one tribe out of the twelve? THEY'RE AT FAULT
The problem isn't what I am doing, which you call a misnomer, the problem is what has already been done. No one cares about the levi tribe causing scandals or Benjamins running the press

>>515565392
around those parts Dryops (Pelasgian) natives with late Arvanite (Illyrian) admixture from those parts, hence the abundance of blue eyes and lighter hair
and quite distinct from most other Greek tribes

>>515565788
>The people that used a circle instead of an X on Ellis Island
So why do you worship their ancestor's divine books then

>>515501999
Christianity's core is stoicism Neoplatonism and ancient greek philosophy. Check out Dimitra Liatsa she has a pretty good book on it. Jews used good old greek philosophical motos to subvert Hellas and consequently the Roman empire. Christianity is a jewish psyop and the new world order whose success lies in class envy and giving the plebs more power for a while
Το αγαπάτε αλλήλους, το λέει η Αθηνά στην τελευταία ραψωδία της Οδύσσειας, ώστε να κατευνάσει τα πνεύματα και να μην συνεχιστεί η βεντέτα από τους συγγενείς των μνηστήρων

>>515565788
you still don't comprehend the fact that we don't call them jews following the internal logic of the bible and its writers, we call them jews because Greeks and Romans collectively knew those vile penis mutilating gyspy followers of moses as "jews", you can cope and seethe as much as you want about this basic historical fact, it's not going to change how the term has been used ironically by christians themselves too, hence my primary sources completely humiliating you

now you can continue with this pilpul how for us it's super duper relevant to know that jesus akshually was a super rare tropical hypergalilean, it's still a jew for us gentiles

>>515501614 (OP)
>Worship a jewish god
>Worship a jewish carpenter's son as the incarnation of aforementioned jewish god
>"Wtf is this?"
The uncomfortable, yet blaringly obvious truth you always shy away from.

>>515566281
What can you say about the Myceneans and the subsequent collapse, were they both of the same origin or were the northeners something distinct like the nordicists would have us believe?

>>515501614 (OP)
Idk about Greece, but at least in USA its well-known that their study bibles were commissioned by jews to subvert the religion.
Why else would they circumcise themselves to mark them as the slaves of the jew, when circumcision is deliberately forbidden in the bible?

>What did the jews do?
A Jewish banker Samuel Untermeyer, family friend of the Rothschilds, wanted to subvert Christianity in the USA for the Jews.
He then commissioned a 'shabbos goy', Golem Cyrus Scofield for the task.
Scofield wrote the 'Scofield Bible', where he perverted the teachings of the Bible and subverted them for Jewish benefit, and this version is what is used by Christian scholars in the USA, and that is how Jews were able to subvert the entire religion.
This is the reason why Christians in USA love jews, because they're being deceived. And ignore the fact that in reality the Bible explicitly says that
>Jews are the children of Satan (John 8:44)
>"Jewish" impostors are the synagogue of Satan (Revelations 2-3:9)
If such subversion of an entire faith is not a mark that the Jews are an incarnation of Satan, childrens of the Devil, demons walking on Earth that need to be exorcised, then I don't know what is.

>>515566364
It is odd they don't seem to comprehend this.

>>515540629
abraham was a mesopotamian pagan from ur. moses was a midianite who brought the levite religion to judah and the levites were some nomadic tribe who got exiled from egypt to midian and converted/syncretized with the cult of the smith god yahweh. they were most likely kicked out of egypt for the same reason the jews got kicked out of everywhere else throughout history. they were metalworkers (an association that exists to this day in stereotypical jewish names surrounding metals and stones). the levites had no lands and literally wandered around taxing people with religious tithes because they were known to be extremely violent and ill willed. they were always considered to be "foreign" and many levite names are egyptian in origin in contrast to other tribes who have typical canaanite names. genesis is the origin story of the pagans of judah and israel who worshiped el and baal and all that. exodus is the origin story of the levites who showed up later to extort the local population

>>515567112
Circumcision was introduced into the US and forced on its populace by a Christian.

>>515566364
they are so desperate that they are bleeding numbers faster than they can breed africans to replace their ranks that they are ready to sink to all kinds of linguistic trickery to sell it to right wingers

>>515567431
Kellog?

>>515567431
To be fair I still don't know how circumcision wormed its way back into the faith, then again I know you got guys named Zebulon, Abraham, Mordecai and shit...

>>515564122
because we are the real faithful and kikels are heretics

>>515567431
>by a Christian.
by a heretic, the New Testament expressly forbids it

>>515568045
john calvin wasnt his real name, he was a jew and calvinism is judaism

>>515568421
I thought this stupid wigger hated civilization

>>515566312
This.

I think it is called truth.

>>515566822
>What can you say about the Myceneans and the subsequent collapse, were they both of the same origin or were the northeners something distinct like the nordicists would have us believe?
they had some shared origins (through Pelops who is descended through Gordon of Lycaon and Pelasgos) but the Myceneans were very mutted as early as the 1500s BC being a mix of semitic Leleges with later admixure of Pelasgians, Thessalian Achaeans, two waves of Egyptians, and even an Ethiopian princess...
Homer almost exclusively refers to them as Danaii

>>515568508
Judaism is also... Judaism. It's not "Judaism". It's whatever is behind Judaism. Idk why you'd think Judaism is the genuine thing whereas Calvinism is not. These are both fronts for a family-based cartel organization that wants to run the world. There's nothing original in "Judaism". It's Babylonian + Egyptian religion, with maybe a heavier inspiration from Babylon.

>>515566109
That's because none of those tribes exist anymore. At least not in a form where anyone can identify them. Seriously, just read the book you are so desperate to talk about. Jews are the last group standing, and people like you have misattributed the whole bible to being about them, because you never bothered to read it.
Not all Germans are Jutes. I don't know how to explain ti to you in any simpler terms.

>>515566289
No one worships a book anon. Try harder.

>>515566349
>followers of moses as "jews"
But not Moses himself you idiot. The Jews themselves are the ones that have always pushed this view to give themselves more legitimacy than they deserve, and more recently to claim land that was never theirs. I get that you are fine being a jew puppet, but not everyone is.

>>515520637
You made it this far. Congratulations. Now read the Gospels and be free from delusion.

>>515571750
>But not Moses himself you idiot.
him too, as the Greek sources I provided demonstrate, or even Tacitus
again, for the nth time, Greeks first then Romans called those vile sandniggers "Jews" regardless of their internal anime lore you memorized, we gentiles don't care about your internal lore, we call the afro-asiatic semitic speaking tribe of infant penis mutilators who follow moses "jews", cope

>>515501614 (OP)
to be a jew you have to explicitly reject christ. how can christ reject himself? the talmud wasnt even written down until hundreds of years after the crucifixion, there couldnt have been any jews around the time of christ. there were the predecessors of jewry, the pharisees, which christ btfo

>>515573192
Jew is a religion, but also ethnicity

>>515573472
>but also ethnicity
thats only because you need to be genetically evil to participate in the rituals they do. this is why there are so many different jew "ethnicities" that arent related to each other, like the smite one, the steppe one, the spanish one. each group became evil enough and found satan and thus became "jews". strictly speaking the bible is talking about judaeans, not "jews"

>>515571389
Why would this one tribe in particular be so adept at survival when we're talking about a whole nation in diaspora? You hyperfixate on this one teeny tribe as if they make the sun come up every morning, I bet they didn't do anything in particular to deserve this fucking reputation from guys like you. Again, it's a whole Indian caste debacle, "no sirs, they are gujarati, we are telugu!" No man, they are the same, they are Indians in that example, and we here are talking about Jews, all clans, all tribes. The word makes you uncomfortable cause you want a clear divider for Christianity against ancient Judaism, but you won't find that, I don't stand for the easy solutions, neither should you bro