Thread 515528788

They're now saying they've recovered a .30-06 bolt action rifle used in the killing. If you were shot in the neck with a .30-06, even at 200 yards, your head would basically be hanging off your shoulders by a flap and there would be massive blood splatter everywhere. You wouldn't just have a little hole. Kirk was obviously shot with either a handgun or some kind of subsonic round, or from drastically longer range than 200 yards. He was not shot from 200 yards with the weapon they're claiming.

prove it

>>515528788 (OP)
recreate it please. do you have 30 06 cartridges and a rifle at hand

>>515528993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01GDNULAu0s

>>515528993
https://youtu.be/fFjWC6EP4wc
30-06 and similar power rifle rounds cause massive gaping wounds or just detonate your entire skull

>>515529306
>>515528788 (OP)
Its extremely ammo type dependent. Try FMJ.

>>515528993
>>515529058

.30-06 has over 2000 foot pounds of energy at 200 yards, almost twice as much as the 5.56 has at the muzzle that Kyle Rittenhouse used to blow a guys whole bicep off. At impact velocities of over 2000 feet per second it will dump it's energy on impact and create massive wound channels even in shallow targets. It would have literally blown Charlie's head clean off.

>>515529306
Wouldn't it have to hit the skull for that to be relevant?

>>515529673
Cope ....fuck they got all the shilsl on overtime on this.

>>515529306
>>515529755
but didnt it just pass through?

>>515528788 (OP)
I’m a hunter and use 30-06 soft points. This is exactly what a 30-06 exit wound looks like. Because it’s a soft tissue hit.
I shoot deer in the neck just like this so I don’t have to track them. They seize up just like kirk did.

>>515529755
>It would have literally blown Charlie's head clean off.
So you're just bullshitting now.

>>515528788 (OP)
it's a ricochet off his plate carrier mate

>>515529864
But it's true though it's heavily ammo dependant.

>>515529955
/thread

>>515528788 (OP)
Video link.

Please post all the links you have so we can collect and archive it in one thread.

I tried to post my own thread but "your country is temporarily banned" some reason. I can reply but not start topics

I'll start
>https://files.catbox.moe/vmqt4m.webm

I've seen conflicting info that he was wearing rifle armor and that it appears he was hit near the heart but richoched off and hit him in the neck.

How would .30-06 act in that situation?

>>515528993
I'm going to have to postpone my judgment until the Brandon Herrera ballistic head recreation (unless he's also named in this trannyfesto like the last one).

>>515528788 (OP)
>your head would basically be hanging off your shoulders by a flap
You watch to many YouTube videos
t hunter

>>515528788 (OP)
It also doesn't sound like a bolt action hunting rifle 200 yards away, it sounded rather close and crisp.
https://files.catbox.moe/7vn2tm.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/lb5frj.mp4

>>515528788 (OP)
it was 430 yards or something like that

>>515530210
Does someone have vid rel with sound?

>>515529673
FMJ would tumble or fragment violently inside 200 yards. Nearly all .30-06 ammunition is expanding though because it's been exclusively a hunting cartridge for decades, you can't hardly even find FMJ ammo for it.

>>515530427
am i retarded? it sounds like a bolt action no? what else could it be?

>>515530427
This.

>>515528788 (OP)
>a handgun from drastically longer range than 200 yards
you lost me there bro

>>515528788 (OP)
What does /k/ say?

>>515530557
You sound like a person who’s never shot a gun in real life. You can order fmj straight to your front door.

>>515530214
He was absolutely not wearing rifle armor. He was literally wearing a T-shirt. The only armor you could possibly hide under a T-shirt is barely rated for 9mm. 30-06 would go through the best 3A armor like it wasn't even there.

>>515530699
It sounded like a self-loading gun, and close. But that's just my opinion right now, I'm not sure how to interpret the sound captured on videos.

If someone has a link to webm related from far away with sound I would appreciate it.

Definitely .50 cal Barret...

>>515530273
I'm also a hunter and I know what .308 does from experience. .30-06 is the same bullet just faster.

>go to range
>shoot paper target wi 30-06
>tiny hole in the paper
>retard OP says the entire paper should be obliterated

ishygddt

>>515531240
You're not a hunter.

>>515529955

If it's an exit wound, why is it coming out of his lower neck when he was supposedly shot from elevation from the front?

>>515530427
Shots never sound correct in microphones the crack is too loud and the audio clips the mic diaphragm can't correctly process it.
Also tons of other factors like the massive crowd attenuate the sound esp if the recorder is low enough so there is other people between the recorder and sound source
And even if it wasnt it'd still attenuate as the waves that would otherwise bounce from the ground towards the recorder will get attenuated by the crowd

It sounds different in each clip too
>https://files.catbox.moe/vmqt4m.webm

Anyone who ever shot rifles knows the videos never sound correct at all

>>515531421
Nobody asked for a brown man to pipe in

>>515528788 (OP)

Americans are supposed to know a great deal about guns. OP is a retard (also gay).

>>515530860
Your reading comprehension sucks

>>515531080
Yes but it's very unlikely in this caliber and situation.

>>515529755
Neck is soft tissue, bullet didn't expand and went right trough. What makes a big exiting hole is when a bullet expand and create a mushroom when it hits harder tissues or bones. The mushroom will push bones out wich is what creates a big exiting hole. The entry is always pretty much small because the bullet didn't expand yet. It on the exiting side that you'll see a big hole. It also depends on the amunition that is used. Full metal jacket ammos will create 2 small holes because they don't expand/mushroom. Full copper ammos on the otherhand are really soft and expand really well. I can tell you this because I sold hunting ammos and hunted. Not an expert tho.

>>515531483
I grew up hunting and killed my first deer with a .270 when I was 12. Baseball sized exit wound, massive internal trauma. That's what these rifle cartridges do.

>>515530549
What the fuck is this frame?
Why does it look like he spouted a wire from the right side of his head?

>>515532123
As you said, exiting hole. We're talking about entry here are we not?

>>515528788 (OP)
maybe but I've seen a deer shot in the head with a similar round and the exit wound was small
I believe it is because the sloshy brain tissue doesn't transfer energy as well as the tissues in the chest cavity
kirk was hit in the neck and the exit wound could have been low in his back or the round could have deflected off his back ribcage etc

>>515529306
You dumb nigger I shot a deer with a 30-06 Barnes TSX and it didn’t even bleed. Not a single fucking drop. Couldn’t even find the entry until we skinned it. Shut the fuck up you dunning kruger noguns

>>515532341
There are stranger frames

https://files.catbox.moe/vmqt4m.webm

Possible muzzleflash

>>515528788 (OP)
FMJ through soft tissue looks just like this.

>>515532981
But, why would you shoot a FMJ if you can take a copper bullet?

>>515532123
In a body shot yes. But not in a soft tissue hit.

It ricocheted off his vest and fragments hit his jugular.
That's why his shirt does the wierd tug upwards.

>>515532341
I believe he is wearing a necklace

>>515528788 (OP)
Are you joking? That entrance wound is massive.

>>515529306
Ballistics gel is a meme

>>515528788 (OP)
Right. Because you find all kinds of decapitated dear during hunting season.

Retard.

>>515532925
these kind of comments are being deleted btw

>>515531541
I understand the sound gets swallowed up by the recoding device, but I'm still thinking like it's loud and crisp in the close-vids and then there is this one from far away and the shot also sounds far away (>>515531173). This still leads me to believe the shot was in close proximity. And a bolt action hunting rifle still sounds more "brutal" even on videos. The sound we have is almost like it's not even a firearm, like a soft-air or something with a silencer. I'm not a gun expert obviously, I just find it strange that everyone immediately knew it was coming from a roof but have no shooter, then there is a hunting rifle in the woods somewhere? but the sound comparison doesn't really match all that. I could be wrong, but the whole thing just feels strange to me.

>>515528788 (OP)
He was obviously shot by the guy in the white shirt with a one shot gun, you can see how the guy beside him puts his arm around him like "common buddy you can do this for israel". The running guy on the roof is a decoy

>>515531505
Cause that's not what happened.

>>515532024
FMJ will usually tumble viciously on impact and do as much damage as expanding bullets at clos to intermediate ranges. .30-06 has as much velocity at 300 yards as 7.62x39 Russian AK47 round does at the muzzle. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between FMJ and soft point bullets in a shallow target like that.

>>515533249
Could be possible, but in my opinion it could just be the shock of the bullet hitting him that created an energy wave. High quality hunting bullets are not known to fragment. They usually expand on impact. But I mean it's possible it fragmented i'm no expert and i'm assuming he used full copper ammo.

>>515531211
Definitely a RPG fired by a troon on a velociraptor

>>515528788 (OP)
The sound of the single gunshot was not a 30-06. No fucking way. That load sounds like car crash. The shot in the vids was 556 or handgun.

>>515532450
There would have been a fuck ton of blood splatter all over his immediate area and it would have been plainly visible in the video.

>>515532718
You probably saw a glancing shot. The brain is mostly fluid and will trigger good bullet performance and energy transfer most of the time.

>>515528788 (OP)
>fucking Fudds at it again

Nigger kill yourself

>>515533844
He was shot from close range by the guy in the white t shirt you fucking kike

>>515532341
That's a small amount of splatter from the entry wound. Since when did pol believe the fucking narrative?

The neck is the exit wound. Shooter behind him to his right side.

>>515529755
>>515530557
Lowiq retard with zero experience.

>>515532981
No, it looks like this.

>>515533856
Yeah, I'm not well versed in FMJ. About the soft points that's pretty much was I was thinking. In soft tissue like the neck there is probably not much expansion at this distance for a 30-06. Not enough resistance from the soft tissues I think.

>>515533249
Yeah my glowie friend said the same thing, but bullets splatter when they hit impenetrable objects. If it was plate deflection he would have smaller wounds all over his neck and arms from the splatter. It’s why good steel plates have polymer coating to catch the frag.
I’m starting to think it’s an inside job. He was awakening the masses to the corruption and continuity between the US and Israel intelligence apparatus.

>>515533249
A .30-06 will easily penetrate any kind of vest you could wear under a T-shirt, it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever.

>>515529955
This
/Thread

Bragg curve.

Most of the kinetic energy is lost in the final portion of the trajectory. Its unlikely his neck stopped the rifle round. It ripped through, tearing arteries up, and exited the back, carrying most of its kinetic energy with it.

>>515534227
It was directly through the deer's head center of mass
the hunter took the shot when the deer was standing with its vitals behind a tree and the head coming out to look at him
went through frome one side to the other
the energy cracked the skull all up on both sides though so it was soft like a rotten fruit, but the exit hole was small
so whenever people make some declaration about what a round at a distance HAS to do I am skeptical
a neck is a hell of a lot different from a torso or a head

>>515528788 (OP)
Jew on fox news said it might have bounced off a breast plate vest and then hit his neck

>>515534537
Maybe he saw you mom and got hard.

>>515534080
Looked like a good amount of blood to me but I don't know. I'm not sure a high powered .22 or .30 bullet makes much difference in entry hole size.

>>515534459
possibly below the velocity needed to generate bullet expansion so it zipped
or fmj going too slowly to fragment so it zipped
>>515534751
ceramics catch the bullet and I have a hard time believing he was too poor and had to use steel

>>515529306
this just convinces me more that the assassin was aiming for the head to explode his head while he was being filmed by 15 HD cameras. essentially they did what they had planned for trump but messed it up again ever so slightly: the round hit his neck and passed through but still had enough power to scramble the insides of his skull. that's when you see the dancing israeli jump up and being overjoyed that they hit the target and got it on camera too. the guy even turns around to the shooter and does a fist pump.
>it's a wrap guys, we got the money shot
and then the jewish holocaust survivor grandpa immediately jumps up and claims to be the attacker to create a distraction. i know this will all be memory holed and in ten years from now they will make mystery crime shows about this incident speculating who did it.
>was it a troon? was it a leftist? definitely not mossad for sure!
this shit is ridiculous. anyways, i'm done talking about this happening, i'm read for the next one.

>>515532341
That looks like fiber from a outer shell of a vest, they tend to go flying off if you hit those low-pro vests with a caliber that's higher than the vest is intended for but it ricochets from angle of impact.

>>515530557
Delete this.

It's wrong, and you are retarded.

>>515528788 (OP)

>pretends to know about firearms
>pretends to know everything about the round fired
>has no concept of bullets doing strange, unpredictable things

Are there any actual firearm owners on this fucking website?

>>515534537
My ar500 plates beg to differ. Only if I a black tip, which are heavily regulated. Most people can’t get them, I’ve tried.

>>515532341
that video is shot with ai upscaling so it left weird shit in the whole video (ring changes fingers too)

>>515528788 (OP)
Yes when we hunt deer we blow their heads clean off. Retard.

>>515528788 (OP)
M1 or m2 ball are FMJ and the cheapest .30-06 available. FMJ will icepick through soft tissue, hydrostatic shock is a meme. That shot isn't hard to achieve for a recreational target shooter who is probably using cheap plinking ammo. There's nothing unreasonable about the claim that it was .30-06. To really have an idea you'd have to be able to look at the wound channel which is information that we will never get or be able to trust if we do.

>>515530557
No, even m193 and m855 that are designed to tumble or fragment don't do it reliably. 7.62x39 and 5.54x45 are both far superior in that regard.

>>515535355
the ring is a clip-on ring and it flies off and it flips over to the little finger before being flung off and flying away which is eas to see in the slow down version.

>>515535276
Charlie Kirk in the video is absolutely not wearing any kind of armor that would in any way influence the outcome of being shot with a .30-06.

>>515535413
Neck shooting deer splatters blood all over the woods.

>>515528788 (OP)
Wrong. Soft tissue with a large cavity doesnt compress (i.e explode) the same as bone and dense muscle. The fact that the entry wound is clean shows velocity and lack of tumble.

>>515535719
And that's what happened to Kirk. Retard.

>>515528788 (OP)
Youre a stupid noguns faggot if you believe this...

>>515535534
7.62x39 is significantly less likely to tumble than 5.56. It is the ultimate ice picker.

>>515529755

Rittenhouse blew that arm off at very close range. And the bullet passed through Kirks neck without expanding. Even then looked as if the spine got fucked in the process. Could have been .30-06

>>515528788 (OP)
>most common deer hunting cartridge
all those stories of hunters missing their shots and decapitating small white tails
I mean yeah so common
totally
like bruh

>>515535873
No it did not. There is no splatter at all.

>>515528788 (OP)
It was not subsonic. You can hear the crack of the bullet in the video.

>>515528788 (OP)
The shot also didn't come from fucking 150 yards away.
In the video from the front row, the sound is simultaneous with the hit.
In the video from way in the back (closer to where the shot "came from"), there is a noticeable delay before the sound is heard.
That shot came from extremely close range.

>>515533158
Because you're a retarded troon using the same ammo you plink with to pull off a political assassination. From what we can see, that wound could be created by many different calibers depending on range, ammo selection, and whether or not it hit the spinal column.

>>515532341

Its in the background hanging from that black thing a light or something.

>>515528788 (OP)
>t. firearm expert

>>515529901
Yes, I think that's the point. They're saying the 30-06 round is implausible because the damage was far too small.

>>515536011
Look up ".30-06 exit wound".

>>515528788 (OP)
Its not a .50 cal you fucking retard.

>>515528788 (OP)
Thirty odd six? Figured it was a .308.

>>515528788 (OP)
depends on the type of round. it went through and didnt blow out his neck, but the fact that his ear starts pouring blood from the opposite side of the exit wound suggests cavitation on a large scale you wouldnt get with a 556. that would explain why kirk immediately lost consciousness, he didnt even have time to grasp at his wound. his body just seized up on impact and then he slumped over bleeding from his neck and then shortly after his ear.

>>515532925
It's a ring. The ring was not complete. There are other videos of him (not at this event) fidgeting with it and you can clearly see the ring is not a full circle.

>>515535534
. Neck at 200 yards is like 2 inches in size. To hit a neck at 200 yards consistently you would need a 1 MOA capable rifle + cartridge combo. The m18 mauser 30-06 is a sub 1 MOA rifle

>>515529755
>Point blank so close he probably got burned from the muzzle is the same as 200 yards
Oh my nogunz

>>515528788 (OP)
It’s not, the bullet came from the back right. Entry is below the right ear, exit is the neck.

>>515536042
Exactly, and I havent seen a slowed video with audio yet, but it looks to me like the impact happens before the sound, ever so slightly. Ergo, super sonic.

>>515529955
Witness and I am leaving because as th other anons said, /thread/

>>515528788 (OP)
THIS
My buddy bought a 30-06 for deer hunting and I gave him a bunch of shit about it being way too big of a round as it would ruin a significant portion of the meat, the entire lower portion of charlies face/jaw area would have been turned into mist if it were actually a 30-06

>>515536428
>exit wound
Are you fucking retarded

>>515536428
Irrelevant without knowing what bullet design was used and whether bone was hit or it was soft tissue only.

>>515529284
Both ballistic tips which explode on impact.
Have you ever shot a fucking gun?

>>515535132
>dancing israeli
I saw him in a different video 20 minutes afterwards poking his tongue at a reporters camera, he was still loitering in the area.

>>515530557
Found the retard.

>>515536248
wow. You might have something there, but the timing is off for it to be the rifle barrel itself. I'm thinking that might be a reflection of the muzzle flash that's happening in front of him. The timing lines up better as you see the flash then the bullet takes that small bit of time to travel before impact.

>>515536635
I don't see any blood coming from his ears

>>515536993
He was shot in the neck. A bullet isn't an explosive device.

>>515529673
>>515529822
>>515529901
>>515533469
Like this guy said you are all retarded.>>515532854

>t. also a deer hunter

>>515535593
You have absolutely zero experience with guns and killing things.
An ar500 plate would 100% stop a 30-06, only a black tip could penetrate it and that’s if it’s close enough, but those rounds are damn near impossible to get, I know, I tried for years. You basically need a class 3 to get them. I don’t think he was shot in the chest, I believe he was shot from behind through the tent. I believe he was stream sniped. I believe the guy you see on the roof is the coordinates guy, the shooter is back and left.

>>515536753
.30-06 has over twice the energy of 5.56.

>>515528788 (OP)
>ball ammo exploderates
shut up

>>515536762
Then it's definitely some kind of low velocity round.

>>515535260
They don’t though. Bullets may flak but they don’t do it in “unpredictable” ways.
They call it ballistics for a reason and you can mathematically predict these random deflections. When it doesn’t make sense it’s fake and gay.
See:
JFK
Las Vegas
Now Kirk

>>515536717
Not how MOA works, but yes let's assume that rifle and ammo comp is 2 MOA capable, that still gives a 4" spread from PoA which is plenty to pop a head. Now let's assume that the shooter is only capable of 4 MOA (what the US military can train even the worst recruits to achieve) that's still only an 8" spread from PoA. Take a paper plate and stick it on your sterum and you can see that aiming for the T zone gives you a great change at a kill. Hit high, low, left, or right and you're still piercing lungs, liver, spinal column, or major arteries.

Bro got this post from reddit.

>>515528993
This OP
Demonstrate on yourself

>>515529901
with that much energy it sends a cavitation wave out that destroys the surrounding tissues

>>515536993
You are completely fucking retarded and have no clue what you’re talking about. I hunt with 30-06 every single year and I neck shot almost all of them. It looks exactly like this.

>>515537909
I responded to that. Stop looking at IDs, they don't work anymore, they randomly change all the time depending on browser and location and stuff.

>>515528788 (OP)
It could be hollywood effects being used to simulate a real shooting, its looks pretty good though, better than the Trump shooting

>>515528993
>>515529284
>>515529306

I know Amerimutts are fat tubs of shit, but ballistic gel is a poor substitute for a human body.
>but muh Leviathan Group owned shooter uses it! The FBI uses it!
Ballistic gel is just used as a standard consistent medium. It is in no way indicative of performance against a body.

>>515528788 (OP)
That's just not true, but it appears the round struck his armor plate and he was hit by the upward moving spall. Very common in war actually.

>>515528788 (OP)
Retarded noguns statement. Reviewing further frame by frame, it looks like the bullet entered from his right side (camera left) and exited from his left side (camera right). The majority of kinetic energy transferred in the entry as shown by a bulge in the neck, and the hole it exited is where the blood was coming from. Considering no fragmentation occurred (as the bullet exited cleanly), as is typical from .223/5.56, I would lean towards it being a larger round though like a .308. This is just my thoughts though. Could be wrong though. Lots of unknown variables still

>>515528788 (OP)
>Handgun.
Fuck off
Kek

>>515530557
Explain your logic. Im genuinely curious how the FUCK you could come up with something that dumb.

>>515537620
you are a noguns faggot if you believe a plate would stop a 30-06. if it did, your insides would basically be turned to mush. further even if it did stop one, the best integrity would be reduced in such a way it wouldn't stop a second. you are clearly a no guns faggot going off literal spec sheet, with no experience. stop trying to talk to adults, faggot. you must be 18 to post on this board

>>515528788 (OP)
No it wouldn't, you drooling retard.
I have practiced extensively with all types of firearms and calibers for years.
30'06 will punch a hole through most things. A small hole maybe wide as a pencil eraser.
Do you think all rounds are like little explosive grenades?
No.
You could probably get something like that handmade or special order if you really tried but it's not what a bullet does usually.
The round hits the target, goes in, comes out the other side usually. Deer, car doors, anything. A solid block like a vehicle engine, stone wall, huge solid bone etc mat cause the bullet to shatter and cause a mess.
Explosion, not likely.
T. Gun haver

>>515536160
this. IDK why fags always think these schizoid trannies are doing all kinds training montage tier prep work instead of the one or two range sessions with the cheapest-shit FMJ range ammo.

also nogunz somehow think that the wound we see gushing blood out is a small one too lmao - that shit is quite large for a bullet wound

>>515536248
this might be it, bullet travel time seems plausible
bullet enters on the far side of his neck, where we see blood gushing out is the exit wound, bullet tugs his shirt on the way out

>>515534300
I heard they released compromising information on Trump's involvement with Epstein. Is that true? Then Charlie Kirk dies.
Couldn't this be just a distraction?

>>515528788 (OP)
>doesn't know how bullets work
the heavier your bullets the easier it is to pass through soft targets. 556 is devastating because it is a small light weight bullet.

>>515528788 (OP)
Shot looks like it came from the side/back rather than the front. If they say it came from the front, they've got their patsy.

>>515528788 (OP)
>Kirk was obviously shot with either a handgun or some kind of subsonic round
you can hear the crack you nogunz retard

>>515538870
FMJs. Tumble. Or fragment. At high impact velocities.

>>515528788 (OP)
plenty of knowledgeable people in this thread
would a highly trained sniper possibly choose exactly the shot we see?
i.e. a shot in the neck, deliberately not at the spinal cord, to destroy the soft tissue and artery area?
there are only two ways to look at this:
>lucky amateur who should have aimed center of mass or -maybe- for a head shot
>highly skilled pro who picked exactly where to shoot and hit exactly where they aimed
so which is it?
the way to disprove a pro is to show he would have chosen another point of aim

Looks to me like they tried to use a .50 cal but they didn't even hit him. Lucky for them even a near miss with a .50 cal can cause such devastation.

>>515539759
7.62x39 is extremely low velocity and isn't comparable to 5.56 or .30-06. AK47 is practically a glorified PCC.

>>515533856
The fuck are you saying? Faster speed and hitting soft tissue makes a bullet less likely to tumble.

>>515528788 (OP)
It was sub-sonic .308

>>515540428
you understand im talking about the weight of the bullet right? increasing the velocity makes a pass-through even more likely.

>>515528788 (OP)
good job attracting the shills

>>515540210
Sure. When they hit something hard. Not when hitting the equivalent of uncooked bacon that is the human neck.

>>515528788 (OP)
They’re actually now saying that the bullet may have hit the edge of a ballistic vest Kirk was wearing under his shirt and ricocheted upwards through his neck. That actually makes sense to me because the wound almost seems to have come from below, and it would indicate the shooter was aiming for the centre of mass which is what you’re taught to do. Incredibly bad luck for Kirk, an inch lower it would have been stopped.

>>515537665
Doesn't mean anything my boy, ballistics isn't a linear progression of power. 5.56 has been known to blow chunks of flesh off limbs, explode heads, create huge wound cavities meanwhile the "more powerful" 7.62x39 tends to zip through the body without transferring all that energy.

>>515538893
I’m 44 and know exactly what I’m talking about pajeet.

>>515541163
that would be just stupid. you come to kill your target not injure them. It must be SUPERSONIC round. Clearly the shot comes from the upper left side from kirk.

>>515541417
iraq or aghanistan?

>>515541417
>I’m 44
You’re a big boy!

>>515540210
Super high velocities fragment, low velocities tumble. Beyond that, bullets specifically designed to tumble will do so also, basically just 5.45x45 does that reliably to my knowledge. FMJ always has terminal ballistics worse than any round designed for hunting or self-defense. Military ammo is just produced as FMJ because of some stupid convention and plinking ammo is FMJ because it's cheaper to manufacture and cleaner to shoot than soft tip or open tip.

>>515537290
that guy looks like he's offended at geico saying a caveman could figure out how to switch insurance

>>515528788 (OP)
you are retarded. almost none of you idiots know anything about guns.

>>515528788 (OP)
I was thinking that too. I shot one a few times back when I was really young, and its no joke. But I dont know enough about guns to really say much.

>>515528788 (OP)
>your head would basically be hanging off your shoulders by a flap and there would be massive blood splatter everywhere
You have never shot a living thing and it’s very obvious. Impact on flesh depend far more about what bullet you use than what caliber you use.

A generic .30 cal soft point won’t even start to expand by the time it gets through the neck. It hit on the side and angled through.

>>515536248
yoooo thanks for posting this!! Do they have any idea where white shirt went yet?

>>515540241
A pro would have chosen t zone, a random tranny who had any exposure to marksmanship training would have also chosen t zone. That shot could have been performed by either. Aming for the heart means that even if you miss you can still hit lungs, liver, spinal column, or major arteries. I don't know any professional assassins, but the only reason I can think of to go for something other than a heart shot is if you suspect your target is wearing hard armor so you would aim for the head, that seems very unlikely though.

>>515528788 (OP)
False. A .50 cal would maybe do that. 30-06 is considered a large game animal round for things like bear, elk, ect. Have you ever seen the wounds they create in those animals? Of course not because you don't shoot. Neck wounds don't allow for a ton of energy displacement either. Not a lot there. Don't get me wrong, bullet obviously passed straight through, likely shattered his spine on the way with just the concussive force, and on that note, probably rattled his brain enough for permanent brain damage if he had managed to survive the broken spine and severed artery. This wound is perfectly in line with that caliber and range. Please stop being retarded.

>>515529955
This. Finally a non-retard

>>515530214
>I've seen conflicting info that he was wearing rifle armor
Absolutely fucking not. He had a t shirt on. It would be extremely obvious if he was. Rifle plates weigh 6-8lbs for a single plate. That’s why you have dedicated plate carriers to hold them. It would stick out 2” from his body and look very weird under a t shirt.

Could have been a cut down barrel for concealment, losing more than half the velocity.

The shooter doesn't have to be smart.

>>515531240
Post your .308. Bet you won’t.

>>515532123
Yeah no shit. Because you shot it in the lungs, not the neck.

>>515542281
its also possible an amateur was aiming center of mass and failed to realize the downward angle meant less drop and so he got a shot higher up than expected
but I'm just wondering about true, extremely skilled shooters
they don't have to choose center of mass or head because they are extremely confident of their ability to put the round where they want

>>515533844
If you watch the video filmed from a distance a little bit to the left for charlie, a lot of people look to the roofs on the buildings to the right immediately when the shot is fired

>>515528788 (OP)
The bullet hits him in the bullet-proof vest on his chest and explodes, you can see other bullet fragments coming out from his shirt, which is why his shirt goes forward and you can see another fragment going up and to the left, missing his head. The entrance wound is very large because the bullet has been flattened by the impact.

>>515528788 (OP)
all depends on bullet design

>>515540241
A highly trained sniper would have chosen center of mass. A highly trained sniper prone to risk taking would aim for the head. Only reason to aim for anything but center of mass, where all the vital organs and spine are located, is because you believe your target is armored, or it's the only thing not in cover. Secondary location would be where the body plates would end, which is your guts. Not necessarily a clean kill outside of a war zone but that guy is guaranteed fucked for life, however long it may be. Third target for a professional shooter at distance would be the head.
The shooter was an amateur and missed his intended target, the head. Honestly, kind of lucky that he hit at all considering how far away he was from the center of the head.
You don't pick the head because the head is constantly moving. A lot of movement originates with head/eye movement and the body follows, meaning you can't easily anticipate where it will stop moving for more than half a second. Even a moving target would be easy to hit for an experienced marksman aiming for upper torso.

Unlike in the George Floyd case, this case will not have big international repercussion. Because the Great Media is made of shitskins and they hate the White Race.

Don't let her death be in vain, white brothers.

- - - Death of Iryna Zarutska - - -.....

>>515528788 (OP)
It legitimately sounded like it was fired from an M40.
Can't they display the gun and ammo already?

>>515533249
1. The only thing you can realistically conceal under a t shirt is soft armor rated for pistols. A rifle punches clean through.
2. Ceramic body armor (ie good kind and probably more common type) breaks up the bullet and spall isn’t an issue.
3. Even cheap level III steel armor has a coating on stops spalling for multiple shots. You can find videos of people wearing it and getting shot to test it. I’ve seen that with .308. Granted it’s only a 16” barrel but was at 10 yards. Not a scratch on him.
4. There’s zero fucking way you can conceal rifle armor under a t shirt. It’s very bulky.

>>515535276
>ar500 plates
Oh you’re retarded
>black tip is heavily regulated
Yeah, confirmed retard. You can literally buy it online no different than anything else. It’s expensive and hard to find because the only black tip rounds are from WWII surplus. It’s also not even good AP.

>>515543519
Yeah, what you said is what I would do and that is what I think like too but I have just typical shooting experience and nothing special
I guess the safest theory is that he did aim center of mass but got less drop than expected due to poor understanding of the downward firing angle and then got lucky by hitting an artery
this would argue for the unskilled shooter

>>515544002
What about mythril?

>>515535534
>5.54x45 are both far superior in that regard.
I assume you meant 5.56x45 which is M193 you dumb nigger. 7.62x39 ice picks terribly because it’s relatively slow and has wider diameter bullets that are less likely to upset. If you meant 5.45x39 then you’re an idiot because 5.45 copied 5.56 but has worse bullet selection. Some people hunt elk with 5.56 77gr TMKs. They’re killed with single shots to the lungs.

>>515529755
You have no right to be this misinformed about guns as an American of all people. Bullet construction matters. What the bullet hits also matters.

>>515537620
Post a single gun you own. AR500 armor sucks and isn’t even cheaper than ceramics anymore. Black tip isn’t regulated either.

>>515538893
>your insides would basically be turned to mush
Holy fuck how does this fuddlore persist? No it doesn’t. You can literally watch videos of people being shot while wearing armor.

If the bullet imparted that much energy into plates when it hits, then an equal amount of energy is pushed through the gun and into your shoulder. Unless your shoulder is getting broken like a twig by recoil, you aren’t being hurt from a non-penetrating hit.

>>515540210
Or they zip straight through if there isn’t much flesh or no bone. I’ve shot hundreds of prairie dogs with 55gr FMJ. It’s 50/50 at best on if it passes through or tumbles. This fat fucker had more meat on it than the side of his neck.

>>515544754
Only works for cock rings

>>515545795
TLDR just tell us what weapon that couldve been. You seem smart enough about guns than 90% of 4chan.

>>515536248
To bad there isn't like a website that lets people upload original quality videos of happenings.
There is a flash but is it a reflection? It doesn't seem like that is a position you could shoot from. It seems to line up a lot better though than a shot from 200 yards away on a roof. The sound seems to line up from that area too. I dunno very weird. Only other thing could be that someone edited in the flash/sound.

>>515538893
That's weird, because my plates are rated for three (3) .308 rounds at 100 yards. It would be comparable to getting kick by a horse each time but it's a survival experience.
It's crazy how little you fags know about guns and vests. I'm not even a vet. I shoot clays a couple times a year and did some basic research into what vest to buy just in case they want to ruby ridge me.

>>515545795
yeah tell us the closest theory
>big oblong neck wound
>sound of the shot 1 frame before impact on the closest footage
>Tshirt goes up to the level of the wound on multiple footage angles
>seemingly professional assassination job

>>515546302
area where the flash was from the inside

>>515546233
I am actually quite smart and guns are my one true passion. That said, it’s impossible to tell what gun it could be from this video. Any centerfire rifle could have done that. It could have been a tiny .22 Hornet with a 50gr SP up to even a .458 Lott (elephant gun shooting solids). The type of bullet (FMJ, soft point, bonded, Vmax, solid copper expanding, etc) will cause more of a change than most caliber changes. Just from raw numbers and being common, it’s likely a bolt action in .308, .30-06, .270 win or maybe .243 or 6.5 creedmoor. If it’s .223/5.56 it’s likely a 16” or 20” AR.

The picture of a generic bolt action rifle and entry level scope, allegedly in .30-06, makes sense. There isn’t any secret magic. There are tens of millions of guns in the US that could be used to make that exact shot and similar wound. I will say, it’s highly unlikely he used a small caliber, rapidly fragmenting bullet (like a Hornady Vmax or Nosler Varmmegeddon) or we’d see a bigger wound in his neck. They’re small and fast and designed to fragment in the smallest of impacts. This produces large but shallow wounds and they don’t penetrate well, which is why they’re usually used on small animals.

>>515547017
Heres an X Post clearly showing a spot top left, like we already discussed, where someone or something is standing in like a rifle pose.

Heres the bigger picture. Seems really odd. might be the real shooter.

Don't explain anything to europeans. It's obvious they are cucks who have never touched a gun before.
The entire story the feds are trying to push right now makes no sense.

I didn't like Charlie, he was a christcuck

However

jews professionally mossad style assassinated an American and tried to blame it on trannys

disgusting

Sounded like a 30-06 to me anon

>>515532450
i think so too. maybe it is from a tumbling projectile. maybe a shot was indeed deflected by the bedliner he wore. that could hardly come from above though. with no second wound visible, the projectile would be in him. anyone have any more real info or is all just /pol analysis so far?

>>515547698
No one believes you
Trannies are 100000% to blame and evading to Israel for everything isn't going to save the left from complete and total destruction

First we destroy the Left
then we deal with Israel

>>515540241
1. Aiming for a non-lethal shot. Unlikely.
Like a trick shot just grazing the neck. Extremely unlikely.
It's a miss shot.
Nervous shot. Hesitation.
2. Target was head or upper thorax.
Again a miss shot but lethal.
Nervous or on drugs maybe.
Any amateur could practice enough to hit that target .
Maybe he had a coach.
I feel like this was a somewhat planned small team effort.
Check public and private gun ranges

>>515538490
Show your flag stinky chink.

>>515528788 (OP)
He was shot under the ear
Neck was exit wound
>>515471160

>>515548526
>Aiming for a non-lethal shot
it was a lethal shot, obviously
it didn't graze the neck but hit right next to his throat, right where the artery is direct from the heart (assuming shot from the front)
if someone was aiming for his neck it was masterful and perfectly killed him nearly instantly
if they aimed somewhere else is the only question really

>>515528788 (OP)
.30-.06 is the same cartridge used by M1 Garands in WW2. Show me all the German soldier corpses with blown off heads from fire fights. I'll wait...

>>515534300
if you slow it down you can see how his t shirt lifts up in an awkward way almost as if something came from the bottom
I'm pretty sure it ricocheted off his vest into his neck and out from behind his right ear, which is why you also see a little blood splatter for a couple frames in the back

>>515528788 (OP)
I'll believe the reports and not some 4chan queer, how about that. I mean this combined with, "It was MUH JEWWWSSSS!", I'll go with the official findings.

>>515529755
so what about the body armor theory, could such powerful round just ricochet itself into his neck?

>>515543519
Unless the shooter watches a lot of his event videos.
Charlie has the habit of still and holding positions while listening or thinking.
Most people do that.
Hunting deer or other animals you have to observe and learn their habits to choose best time to shoot.

>>515537957
That would only happen after passing through like 4 inches of fleshy mass. This is what they mean when they say that 30-06 is overpowered
>>515540210
No they don’t, retard

>>515528788 (OP)
Fair theory, but you also don't have his any idea what the back of his neck looks like. So you basically don't understand the voices you hear means you're a sckizo that's why you wage this autistic thread at us. It's not that most annoying, but it's still annoying.

>>515549650
Wrong, the exit is certainly his front left neck.
Which means the shooter was on his right, entry from right, back, back neck, or back shoulder, depending on if you believe the armor ricochet theory or not.

The amount of gun tardation and straight up conspiritard bullshit on /pol/ is astonishing.
There's like 3 people on this board who aren't brain dead and that's it.

I don't even know what most of you are trying to accomplish.

>>515540241
>lucky amateur who should have aimed center of mass or -maybe- for a head shot
It could also not be “luck” but within the margin of error for that gun and ammo combination. If you shoot an actual 5-10 shot group and not a cherry-picked 3 shot group, most rifles off the shelf with basic factory ammo are 2MOA or roughly 2” at 100 yards. If it was a ~200 yard shot that’s 4” of variance. Add in nerves and the human error from a not expert, and it’s still a “good” shot, just a little off center.
>highly skilled pro who picked exactly where to shoot and hit exactly where they aimed
They would have gone for the body. He isn’t wearing armor. A full powered rifle round through the lungs is a kill even with immediate medical attention. No need to get flashy. That said, a head shot at 200 with a good rifle that a good shooter practiced with, and from a rested position, isn’t that hard. If you’re going to shot somewhere other than the body you’d go smack dab in the middle of the head. Still hit lower part of the brain and spinal cord, and there’s enough bone and matter in the head to get a fragmenting/expanding effect from the right bullet.

>>515551199
It giving me an aneurysm

>>515528788 (OP)
>here come the nogunz cityfags

>>515528788 (OP)
Army vet here.
This was an extremely sophisticated operation. Your average backwoods bubba isn’t going to be hitting an extremely long ranged AR strike with such pinpoint accuracy, let alone some basedboy antifa type. Accounting for wind velocity, bullet drop, bullet weight, and the fact that unless this was planned well in advance there would have been minimal time to dial In the sights.
This was someone who trained, was on location, that knows above-average military tactics, possibly a decorated marine or SEAL type.

>>515528788 (OP)
>gun more lethal at close range
you dont understand ballistics and you should shut the fuck up

>>515549123
wow. given that angle, the shot would have come from his right, behind and 60° above.

>>515549650
it's 1000% this

he reacts to getting punctured in the chest, then his brain goes squish and he seizes

you can clearly see that he is also bleeding out of his right ear (left camera) when he slumps over, most likely because the bullet or fragment went up through neck, and tumbled through his skull, and either popped out that side or created enough pressure to cause bleeding on that side

>>515549123
this is a giga retarded hot take, how the fuck does his shirt flap around and move opposite the direction of the shot in your scenario?

something very clearly hits center of mass, and flies upwards, you can see his shirt ripple and the entire portion of it below the entry wound on his neck get forced upwards in the direction of his neck wound

>>515529955
I do the same with my 270. I use to headshot, but I shot a doe through the top of the skull with the exit where the head and neck meet. The was barely any blood. Thought sure as shit that it was dead, but after dragging it 100 yards, I feel a tug and when I turned, it kicked me full force right in the left nut and ran off about 100 yards before it died.

>>515551304
Old /pol/ used to have a larger element that was at least entertaining. This /pol/ is just repetitive bullshit. Its like the same 5 narratives hamfisted into every event.

I don't know how /pol/ made retardation and schizophrenia predictable and dull, but by god, they managed to do it.

>>515528788 (OP)
>source: my ass
why offer your dumbshit opinion on things you know nothing about?

>>515528788 (OP)
You are a stupid nigger whose entire knowledge of guns comes from COD. You've never fired one or killed an animal.

Pretty much this anon gets it. You guys have to check the video clearly.

>>515528788 (OP)
Please go back to your call of duty game

>>515548258

you will die

tied to a tree

eaten by ants

>>515530549
How quickly did he die from like his consciousness pov?

This whole thread is full of noguns faggots that have never hunted anything in their life trying to talk ballistics. Beyond retarded.

>>515548258
I would bet against that any day kek

>>515553410
I'd say inside 0 to 15 seconds he was out

>>515552460
how do you retard fucks not see this?

the round hits him directly in the chest, the concussive force of this, along with the air dispersion of a supersonic round cutting the air, creates literal wind in his face, you can see his hair blowing upward - and his shirt very clearly moves up, as the bullet travels from his chest, directly vertically through his shirt, into his neck

it even blows whatever necklace he is wearing, clean off his neck

full bullet? fragment? who knows - a fragment at this point would still have plenty of energy to do this

shirt falls back down, wound revealed

>>515528788 (OP)
.30-06 FMJ would zip through the neck, just like that

>>515553410
As close to instantly as you could possibly get, so fast that between his spinal cord being severed, the loss of blood, the drop in blood pressure, his body probably didn’t even have a chance to send a pain signal to his brain before he clocked out for good

>>515553410
instantly - between massive cardiac arrest from the force of being shot directly in the sternum and having your brains scrambled, based on how he seized, he was most likely instantly dead there, if not, at least clinically brain dead

>>515530557
>FMJ would tumble or fragment violently inside 200 yards.
not in a 4 inch fleshy neck, too fast not enough dense mass to smash against

>>515553176
>>515553732
Enjoy these last moments of your life
You will look back at these words moments before your end
That's me mocking you in your last moments kek

>>515528788 (OP)
>datamining thread
Shot plenty of deer with a 30-06 at all kinds of ranges and not one head came off. The damage in internal from the cavitation shockwave and is contained by the skin very effectively.

>>515531421
I think OP doesn't understand what soft tissue is and how deformation works.

>>515532938
There was literally nothing there

>>515552837
>>515533704
Check the video. You see the white guy shirt pulling something from under his shirt, aiming at him, then you see the bullet flying towards him. Thats clearly the shooter.

>>515528788 (OP)
Is it possible the shooter was using some kind of suppressor that slowed the velocity of the bullet? It didn't sound like suppressor fire but that's all I can think of.

>>515554304
He clearly doesn't

>>515529306
>30-06 and similar power rifle rounds cause massive gaping wounds or just detonate your entire skull
It the bullet simply grazed the spine then exited thru the Carotid Artery, then you would have enough force to cause the arm twitch and raise, but without “explosive bone shrapnel”, and and a big enough hole to cause the Artery to leak like a water hose, but without the “explosion”, one would expect from a shot actually penetrating into the mostly enclosed vessel that is the skull.
The neck isn’t the same as a torso, or skull.
The neck is muscle, veins, arteries, and designed to be highly flexible.
This is a deer shot thru the neck with a 50 cal.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf41EbSwUSk&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD

>>515528788 (OP)
True, Joe Biden said that a 9mm will blow your lungs out of your chest cavity. Thwrefore a 30-06 is like a howitzer round.

Also checked, 88.

>>515532938
that seems to be it and matches the angles of both wounds. i even think i can see a shadow move away from the window (to the right and exit route) immediately after the shot.

>>515544939
I did mean 5.45x39. When it comes to FMJ performance the reds had better terminal ballistics. M855 is dogshit and m193 only performs well out of a 20" 1/12 barrel which it was designed for. Outside of that those two rounds icepick the most out of any commonly issued ammo. All fmj has unreliable dogshit terminal performance.

>>515554079
>>515553902
Wrong. There's a reason why it's illegal to hunt with 30-06. For one, it's incredibly wasteful because it has the stopping power to literally rip a deer in half and disintegrate it meaning no meat for the hunter, but it also has the ballistic velocity to travel over 7 miles and potentially hit someone in another state if you were to accidentally cough while lining up a shot and send the cartridge flying over any burm there might be. And that's with just a regular round, nonetheless a hot cowboy load or a dragons breath bullet.

>>515543085
Head moves a lot faster than heart. I don't care how confident you are, you can't control your target's movement. No one is going to choose a headshot over a heart shot unless they are forced to.

>>515553410
Not instantly, his brain still worked with the blood it already had in it for some seconds. But he was in shock, seeing stars and confused until he passed out seconds later, so its unlikely he was able to even realize what happened before he went out. Just utterly stunned, then headrush KO

>>515529755
>t. Never been hunting

>>515554701
>it's illegal to hunt with 30-06
wew baka kys

>>515554701
No it can't rip a deer open and where is it illegal to hunt with a 30-06 lmao. Hell you're even allowed to hunt deer with a .338 Lapua where I'm from.

where exactly did he get hit? straight through the neck? some people were saying it ricocheted off his bulletproof vest but I dont think he was wearing one (its very chunky).

Did forensics retrieve the bullet?

>>515554379
He was shot from his right but the bullet pierced his left?

>>515555221
It's called an exit wound dumbass.

>>515528788 (OP)
>handgun
Fucking retard. Even at point blank range, a handgun caliber doesn't have anywhere near enough stopping power to cause a full body flinch like that. This was undeniably a rifle shot

>>515553859
my guy he got shot from the back and bullet exited through his neck.

We have so many nogunz infesting the board these days. .30-06 is a cartridge, it can actually be loaded up with an astounding variety of powders and projectiles. Everything from light .22 sabot rounds, to 250 and even 300 grain for dangerous game. Factory variants are in the thousands, hand loaders expand this greatly still.

This isn't a video game where some round does x amount of dps. It will depend entirely on how the cartridge is loaded, where it hits, etc.

>>515555221
The shot came from the back and exited to the front. Im telling you again. See the video and focus on the white shirt guy in the middle and his pants and arms. not the guy with the white cap.

>>515533704

>>515555395
>>515555754
Does that explain why the hole is so big? Because it's an exit wound?

>>515555102
You'd need heavy duto NATO type IV rated armor to stop a full powered rifle cartridge. Like pic related.

If he was wearing a soft vest it would have passed through like it was toilet paper. And you'd see if he had a plate carrier, those are bulkier by far.

>>515534284
Maybe. The more i look at the white shirt guy it just seems hes rustling his knuckles. But its impossible say for sure since its so low quality

>>515552198
He is not wearing a vest nigger high res photos you can see his nipples through his shirt.

Plate shit is jfks magic bullet all over again

>>515534300
It looks like something is under his shit like a special effects blood bag with pump

>>515529306
Those ballistic heads are a clickbait meme. Ballistic gel represents muscle, and they add a representation of bone, but there's nothing to represent skin or connective tissue, so everything freely falls apart to bias towards dramatic splatters.
But even with that being the case, a non-expanding 30-06 going through gel of the neck only without hitting the bone wouldn't do half as much to such a dummy head.

>>515555736
>so many nogunz
yeah, i've seen some absolutely whack takes how "only a professional assassin" could pull off a 200 yard shot

like ooooohkay.

>>515555736
completely irrelevant when you can slow down the video and see the bullet entry point in the back of his head and exit out his neck.

>>515556053
Alright you can see smoke coming out from the left side of his arms. THis is clearly a sign that something what shot. only thing i cant explain is if that red circle thing is the bullet or not.

>>515537820
>(Distance to target in yards) / (100) = inches per MOA at that distance
>(Number of inches of adjustment needed) / (inches per MOA at that distance) = MOA adjustment
>(Number of clicks per 1 MOA on scope) x (MOA adjustment) = adjustment in clicks on scope
i stand by my initial statement

>>515529755
No. If it doesn't hit any bone it will make about a nickel sized hole going in and anywhere from a quarter size to half dollar size exit wound. You no gunz niggers are so poor and stupid.

>>515537957
well it did not hit his brain yet it made him unconscious immediately so it does make sense that it was a larger round than 5.56mm and that the shockwave inside his neck knocked him out.

>>515556459
something under his shirt

>>515553859
if you consider for a second that muzzleflash behind and right of him, the ear wound, and neck exit wound, then that bullet would have travelled into his front shirt, after exiting. if he did indeed wear some liner then that would have conveyed the movement and possibly stopped the exiting bullet. i say he was shot from relatively close and i'm neither hunter nor shooter, so i don't know what would cause these two wounds from a distance of less than 10m as it looks.

>>515556545
I think its the bullet which further proves white shirt didnt shoot as it clearly doesnt line up

they have probably hundreds of hours unreleased footage, and the footage that shows what really happened isnt going to get released

>>515556744
it's a fucking microphone you retarded niggers, it's called a lavalier

>>515528788 (OP)
Fucking nogunz I swear
>Hurrr durrrrr ez a 556!
>Hurrr durrrrr ez a live stock yutanausia pisstoll!
>Hurrr durrrrr 30-06 blow da lungz outta yer back!
>Hurrrr durrrrr ez a rockoshay!
Fucking retards and faggots the lot of you.

>>515555937
exit wound is generally bigger yes

just watch all the vids you can see the right side of his head starting to bleed where the entry was before the video cuts out

>>515528788 (OP)
>t.nogunz
did you hear the shot? first thing I thought was 30 aught 6.

>>515556796
It mustve been up close. THe further youre away from the target the harder is it to kill. weird thing is that smoke coming from him, the movement he does and the bullet hittin kirk almost at the exact same time.

>>515557168
Roof shooter was distraction.

>>515556459
He's wearing body armor. The neck wound was from spall, which means it was an AR500 steel plate not ceramic. The spall catches his shirt as it sprays radially off the plate, before entering his neck from below.

>>515528788 (OP)
It's a .243.

>>515540450
the weight of the projectile is very important. a 62 grain 5.56 tumbles less than a 55 grain one. not imagine a 160 grain 30-06.higher chance it will go through and not tumble.

>>515557177
Yes, in my opinion 20 meters max.

White shirt is defo weird but theres not enough proof yet

>>515557375
He is not. You can see high res photos of him during the event and you see his nipples.

>>515554379
not likely. a. there's nothing visible in the guy's hand. b. the angle between wounds doesn't quite match, and c. he would have been noticed by the close bystanders. which is not the case for someone in that room above and behind, to his right. check the finanon linked vid:
https://files.catbox.moe/vmqt4m.webm

>>515528788 (OP)
HE WASNT SHOT IN THE NECK. THE WOUND IS OBVIOUS RICOCHET SHRED TO THE NECK

>>515556542
Well, there were TWO fall guys, one shot taken only, the guy had a ninja suit on the roof there... for other reasons than range alone, it's obvious it was a professional hit job.

>>515557680
It is notable that the white shirt guy pulls something out as soon as white baseball hat guy signals.

>>515557741
Wrong. The hydrostatic pressure was far too great for that. He had blood shooting a foot out of each ear.

>>515532854
>dunning kruger noguns
kek

>>515529755
And the projectile tip was blunt and serrated to make sure all the energy is dumped into soft tissue, yes?
Or was it a nice fine tip like most 30odd6 rounds that will happily punch through without losing much energy in the wiggle?
>but he shook and tensed on impact, that proves the energy went into his body
It's like the pain of impact and the nerve damage it caused shocked his system which sent a "surprise!" signal to his muscles.

>>515549650
>if you slow it down you can see how his t shirt lifts up in an awkward way almost as if something came from the bottom
Are you fucking retarded and not know basic physics? The bullet travels with such speed and velocity that when it penetrates his neck his whole body experiences a violent jolt from the impact. It has nothing to do with hitting the bottom or whatever nonsensical stupid shit you fags make up.

>>515556744
Yeah a bunch of fat he is american after all

>>515528788 (OP)
The bullet hit his plate carrier first before going up into his neck, this flattens the bullet and makes it wider and that's why the neck wound is so big.

>>515529990
His head would by hanging by his spine and definitely not his neck, at least. Dude are you fucking retarded you’re the video game CS:GOnigger looking for answers 30-06 is larger than an AK round and 8 hours ago they were talking about .308. The only plausible way to satiate your retardation would be to imagine the bullet was not soft point or anything other than standard

>>515529755
More energy means it passes through. Its not a grenade.

>>515558119
That is not how it works dude

>>515528788 (OP)
>They're now saying they've recovered a .30-06 bolt action rifle used in the killing. If you were shot in the neck with a .30-06, even at 200 yards, your head would basically be hanging off your shoulders by a flap and there would be massive blood splatter everywhere.

No it wouldn't. Its a hunting round. Its not designed to fragment its designed to make a nice clean hole so it doesn't needlessly tear up the meat and hide of the animal you're shooting.

>>515557981
can you fags lurk more and not post until you've seen all the videos

its clear as day he got shot in the back and the bullet exiting through his neck caused his shirt to jerk up like that because it was caught by small bone fragments that got pushed out through that hole

clear as day when you slow it down

>>515557559
You can clearly see the outline of an armor plate under his shirt. His shirt bounces UP when he's shot, indicating a hit to the plate.

>>515557680

a. cant tell from this resolution, can be a custom 3d printed gun, but still who holds his hands like this??

b. the bullet could richoet, we dont have a clear video where you can see the entry wound.
c. i dont know if you would realize what happens around you if you are in panic mode. the gun couldve been supressed aswell.

how do you explain that the movement still matches to the kill timing?

>>515558208
Literally yes it is. The radial spray from a bullet hitting a hard surface is called spall.

>>515558119
Another retard. High-res pictures shows his nipples through his shirt, no vest.

This isn't jfk magic bullet. Nothing bounced off his vest as he is not wearing one.

>>515528788 (OP)
Wait. Its a pretty standard rifle/round for hunting.
So whenever you hunt a deer, you just blow up 1/3 of the meat?

>>515558339
How the fuck does his shirt bouncing up indicate a hit to the plate? Show me a picture that shows him wearing an armor plate, ill wait. I've seen the high res pictures.

>>515554701
I literally hunt with 30-06 you’re actually retarded. I had to mercy kill an almost-perfect heart shot once, don’t give a fuck what people say I don’t let my creatures bleed out.

>>515558301
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>>515555736
Until we know the exact round used, we can't say anything for sure.

>>515558338
There was no stage from where he could be shot in the back, mongrel. In fact, you can clearly see the frame where the bullet comes from. It's why his body recoils backwards and not forwards which would have been the case if the bullet entered from the backside.

>>515558301
no, you need something to bump all it's energy in the animal's major organs to make an ethical kill. I use Sellier & Bellot .30-06 in my M18 Mauser to hunt deer and hopefully, bears soon, just need them to kill a couple more retards that try to feed them

>>515558594
Small entry hole, large damage from 5" depth to around 14" depth then a small or no exit hole. A human neck isn't thick enough for the bullet to cause a wide wound channel so regardless of bullet design it pokes right through.

But as discussed that's not what happened here. He was shot in the chest not the neck.

>>515558732
>>515557375

>>515558339
it's a fucking lavalier you fucking retard, not an armor plate

>>515538893
stop posting m8, you're clearly getting owned by multiple people at one time in this thread

do you enjoy getting gangbanged loser lol stop posting

>>515557841
i don't see him holding anything in his folded hands. if you watch this vid again: https://files.catbox.moe/7vn2tm.mp4 it becomes clear why the lined t-shirt does what it does. the bulb forming in front of his left chest is in line with the angle proposed in context with the muzzle flash.

>>515539759
I'm not a gun nigger, so I really don't know much about this subject, but when I was in the military they taught us that the German army switched to from 7.62 rounds to 5.56 "NATO" rounds for rifles, mostly because 5.56 rounds are more likely to maim a person than outright kill him.

>>515558986
>There was no stage from where he could be shot in the back

And you know this, how?

We have footage showing a flash and presumably a bullet flying from that direction

>>515550679
>4 inches of fleshy mass

So a neck?

Here you fags go, top is from 60 meters, bottom is mercy kill at point blank.

.30-06. That hole would look a lot more fucky on a human, you could fit 3 fingers in it just saying.