Thread 515538550

Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
Who thought every single person being allowed to own guns would end so badly?

Imagine how quickly you could remove kebab.

>>515538550 (OP)
>Who thought every single person being allowed to own guns would end so badly?
thats not the situation
if you open carry in NJ and you are not a cop or agent in uniform
you will have the cops called on you and you will be shot if you move an inch

we need zero gun laws and zero punishment for things you are not actually accountable for

>>515538550 (OP)
Your country is being raped by Muslims that do not care about your nation or its people. Having the right to bear arms is a good thing.

>>515538550 (OP)
im on the right and i love guns still
you are so dumb if you try to use this to try to take away our guns. LOL
its not happening EVER

>>515539476
HOW MANY MORE KILLINGS BEFORE YOU START BANNING GUNS?

I wish I could own a gun. At least 2 of my neighbors are aggressive drunks, and there used to be a homeless drunk (son of one of my more normal neighbors) loitering in or around the building and begging his mom for more booze money. You could tell from the smell if he was in the building in the last few hours.

>>515538550 (OP)
No. Youre not american. Fuckoff.

>>515539649
YOU'RE NOT TAKING OUR GUNS AWAY RETARD
REST IN PEACE CHARLIE KIRK
REST IN PEACE CHARLIE KIRK
I LOVE MY GUNS

>>515539476
well jackass
machine guns can not be produced for public use for decades
your piece of paper isnt real
only courage and fear are real

>>515539649
>how many people do we have to kill before you give us your guns?
FACT
>FACT
(FACT)
#FACT#
if niggers and trannies went extinct gun crime would be as serious as lightning strikes

>>515538550 (OP)
don't you have grenade attacks to hide, ahmed?

>>515539866
Your choice
Bear the consequences and man up retard

>>515538550 (OP)
2nd amendment doesn't apply to Mossad agents. They can bring their own guns from Israel just fine.

>>515538550 (OP)
>End so badly.
Statistically it's fine. The assassinations are to create the fear for big daddy gov to cease the means of protection.

>>515543273
What consequences?

>>515538550 (OP)
>thought
These are Americans we're talking about, OP

>>515538550 (OP)
It's actually shocking nonwhites are allowed to own guns in America. They took the (((equality))) meme that far.
It's shocking there are nonwhites even allowed in America.
It's shell shocking. Only White humans should own guns. Not some forces of darkness orc nonwhites owning guns.

>>515543602
Owning guns

>>515538550 (OP)
2A is the only thing that founders thought was necessary to national to security. Guns aren’t the problem, glowniggers and the so called “national security” establishment is.

>>515539476
Gunfags are terrorists, the only response they've got is
>want to take our guns? WE'LL FUCKING KILL YOU
you should all be treated like the fucking terrorists you are

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
Yes. Deregulate machine guns, suppressors, and "destructive devices".

>>515539430
to do what you retarded faggot, just ethnically cleanse it?? yeah that's how it works retard xDDDD
the niggers are there to stay just admit defeat and stop thinking your opinion matters, you literally don't have "rights"

>>515544455
that's such fucking nonsense
owning a gun wasn't even in the constitution, it's an amendment

>>515544455
Who gives a shit? Your security is handled by military not militias

>>515538550 (OP)
The United States Constitution will not be dismissed.

If you want to make changes to the United States Constitution, there is a process for doing do.

It is called a
" Constitutional Amendment ".

If anyone wishes to alter it, proposing a Constitutional Amendment is what they must do.

Anything short of that, is treason, and an act of war against all United States citizens.

>>515545379
Our security as a people against a tyrannical state.
The military works for the state, not the people.
Why do you yuropoor faggots not understand this basic concept? The right is reserved for the American people to protect themselves against the state.

>>515546182
Your security as a people is constantly threatened by lunatics with guns, retard

>>515538550 (OP)
No guns for mentally disordered = well regulated

>>515538550 (OP)

Guns are NOT the problem...

Niggers&Jews / ZOG-Pimps are the problem.

>>515376482

>>515544965
You shouldn't even be posting on this board since it's been banned in your country, pleb. So who cares what you think.

>>515545379
>Your security is handled by military not militias
People that claim to support the constitution support the redcoats. We should not be a country with an army. We should be an army with a country, like Prussia or Sparta. If there was ever anything "exceptional" about this country, it'd be that. Hence, as soon as soon we started empowering the national security apparatus after WW2, we lost the republic and became and empire, and are currently experiencing the same fate as every empire.

>>515546339
College campuses are no gun zones.

Elementary schools are no gun zones.

High schools are no gun zones.

Hospitals are no gun zones.

Music concert venues are no gun zones.

Night clubs are no gun zones.

No gun zones are where murderous, lunatic, criminals choose to shoot up, because they know that no one there will have guns.
Because they are in no gun zones.

>>515539649
there is no number
Charlie was right when he said that some gun deaths have to be tolerated if we want to protect the freedom the 2nd Amendment affords us
his death doesn't change that

>>515546339
>Your security as a people is constantly threatened by lunatics with guns, retard
Disarming myself because scary people have guns is like wearing a condom so my neighbors stop having so many kids.

>>515538550 (OP)
millions of people legally own guns. its mostly the illegal gun owners that use them for killing. guns no more kill people than pencils make mistakes

>>515547245
No, it's like getting the government to pass a law restricting guns, and enforcing it.
The main problem is that gunfags are terrorists, but that's just more of a reason to use military force against them.

>>515539649
How many more Somali grenade throwings before you ban Somalis, snownigger?

>>515547315
Guns are a point and click device for murdering people. Claiming they do not make murder easier and more common is laughable. That is why you have them.

They shot Charlie with some kind of hunting rifle, faggot.

>>515544965
yes, in the Bill of Rights that the founders decided were so important they needed to be specifically spelled out so government couldn't crush them through wordplay
unfortunately, it didn't work as perfectly as they had hoped, but it's better than where we would have ended up without them

>>515547537
>No, it's like getting the government to pass a law restricting guns, and enforcing it.
Enforcing how?

>blacklist everyone who supports trans rights
problem solved based on recent trends

>>515538550 (OP)
Here I made picrel
If we put my flowchart into practice, there would be real change. I made this after the Iryna stabbing.

>>515547892
that's unconstitutional and short sighted

>>515538550 (OP)
Owning guns was feasible when a gun shot 1 bullet at a time from a musket and only high class well mannered citizens had access to them.

Now guns shoot 100 rounds a minute. Have a range of 300 yards away and low life's and criminals have access to them.

The second amendment is an archaic relic of the past. Its time for it to go

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
Yeah. I just bought another gun today out of spite. How about you?

>>515538550 (OP)
americans have freedom while the eu has only regulations and rules. and guns guarantee the freedom is not just taken away. i wish i could buy a gun

>>515538550 (OP)
>Swiss have guns but don't kill each other because they're rich and civilized
>Balkanites have guns (illegally-unregistered)but don't kill each other
There's something special about Americans

>>515548223
This.

>>515547648
You're meant to have them in case bad people try to hurt you, then you shoot them so they can't do that. On the individual scale, and on the national scale. That was the intent.
Stop shilling and get a real job, faggot.

>>515547648
they are a tool, same as any other, and have many legal, practical uses

>>515548043
>15 years for brandishing
You've never been put in a situation where drawing a weapon was necessary for de-escalation. Niggers scatter like bugs when they realize their potential will fight to the death. Kill yourself.

>>515547245
You have to get yours so mine will work, and you don't kill my granny!
Same vibe.
I am beginning to recognize a pattern with the way those people think.
It seems they are, perhaps, retarded?
What else could it be?
The issue is not about what they think, rather it is about HOW they think.

>>515548223
>The second amendment is an archaic relic of the past. Its time for it to go
There is a process to get rid of an amendment. It needs to be used for all "archaic" enumerated civil rights that you want dismissed.

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
We already have: the 2A is inviolable.
End of discussion.

>>515548223
>high class
when you say that, do you mean people of a high trust society, or aristocrats?
and you could own anything the government could

>>515539649
INFINITYYYYYYYY

>>515538550 (OP)
Okay.
You have a point. Trannies niggers and jews shouldn’t have guns.
The 2nd amendment should only apply to white men.

>>515549115
>The 2nd amendment should only apply to white men.
And then next election cycle, the new group gets to define both "white" and "men".

>>515549115
see
>>515548126

>leftists advocate for gun control
>push policies like mag limits, or single shot weapons
>always claim they're not going after simple things like hunting rifles
>even if all the policies they claim they want were implemented, none of them would apply to the shooter which only used a single shot

>>515547537
>No, it's like getting the government to pass a law restricting guns, and enforcing it.

This CAN happen, in a sense.
What you are talking about, is called a
Constitutional Amendment.
Anything short of a Constitutional Amendment just won't cut it.
Do you know what happens when the government subverts the U.S. Constitution? Best case scenario, whatever dumb shit fake "laws" they force, will be overturned later.
See Roe verses Wade. See Affirmative Action. And many, many others.
Knowing this, as all lawmakers do, then why won't any lawmaker do it?
Why won't any lawmaker propose a Constitutional Amendment?

>>515548495
Everything is a tool. Yes, a tool for killing a lot of people at long range, and of which wide ownership is incompatible with the existence of society.

>>515548832
Not even from the constitution. 2nd amendment is bill of rights. I don't like the bill of rights.

>>515549627
It's impossible to amend the US constitution in practice because it needs a supermajority.
You're creating the conditions for a revolution because a minority of terrorist gunfaggots are holding the majority to blackmail.

>>515538550 (OP)
The original intention was white land owning males

>>515547879
With gun! Lmao.

>>515549690
>2nd amendment is
What is it amending again?

>>515549794
>You're creating the conditions for a revolution because a minority of terrorist gunfaggots are holding the majority to blackmail.
Nobody is forcing anti gunners to buy a gun.

>>515549889
That's not a contradiction. The government should have overwhelming military force, the population should be disarmed.

>>515549633
Imagine listening to a UK flag about anything in 2025 LMAOOOOO

>>515548463
How many negros they got in Switzerland?

>>515550288
>The government should have overwhelming military force, the population should be disarmed.
That line of thinking is actually why we stopped having the same flag a little over 200 years ago.

>>515550245
It's other people getting guns that's the problem. Nobody ever forced me to smoke, but I'm still glad they banned smoking in most places.

>>515549115
Women need guns too. Women need to be able to protect themselves.

The problem is not guns but Israeli blackmail and assassination rings

>>515543885
Whites with guns allowed it all.
A tool doesn't matter if you lack the warrior spirit to use it.

>>515538550 (OP)
You had a massacre in your own faggot country where none of what you are proposing would have stopped it. Lest you are retarded and can only remember things from the last ten minutes.

>>515550478
It's still the way every single country works. It's what defines a country. A monopoly on force. The US government could steamroll you if it wanted. They've got bombers and nukes. All your faggot guns do is make life worse for other ordinary people.

>>515550534
>It's other people getting guns that's the problem
And how do you stop them from circumventing your desired gun restrictions? By getting rid of more civil rights?

>>515538550 (OP)
Maybe media jews should stop ragebaiting
Maybe crazy people should be locked up
Maybe prostitution should be legalized
Maybe you should ask why Switzerland has no gun crime
Maybe you should check these digits

>>515550775
Rights are a fiction. Fuck your "civil rights". They don't exist. We enforce gun bans the same way as every other law.

OP is fine with niggers owning guns and murdering tho

>>515538550 (OP)
The Second Amendment assured us that only PEOPLE would be allowed to own guns. Another part of the Constitution also defines Negroes as "three-fifths" a person, and doesn't consider women to be people either. The problem isn't the Second Amendment, it's all the shit that came after to redefine what a "person" is.

>>515538550 (OP)
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.,

>>515548223
The whole of the internet at your disposal to research your opinions, yet you choose to remain willfully ignorant.
Consider suicide.

>>515539649
Like always, you jews have to kill us all before we give up our rights. Good luck with that lmao

>>515551152
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025

>>515550951
>>515550775
People can have rights when they have earned them. The average american has psychosis, these guys clearly don't deserve to have any guns.

>>515550739
>The US government could steamroll you if it wanted. They've got bombers and nukes.
They actually can't. You seem to have no concept of scale when it comes to this country.
>>515550951
>Rights are a fiction. Fuck your "civil rights". They don't exist. We enforce gun bans the same way as every other law.
In your "part and parcel" mindset, it would be understandable for you to quickly and quietly surrender to whatever nastiness comes your way. Since you love not being able to brandish a butter knife while Scottish girls are being sexually assaulted, you are living in your own paradise.

>>515548463
I can find tens of hours of footage of drunken Balkan retards shooting into the air and at others. They just dont record crime as well because they are 3rd world euroniggers much like yourself.

>>515538550 (OP)
The gun used to kill Charlie Kirk was a .30-06 bolt action Mauser hunting rifle. The type of gun that is legal and fairly common even in countries with pretty strict gun control laws.

>>515551396
>People can have rights when they have earned them.
It isn't a right if it is earned. It's "payment".

>>515550446
Do you have statistics about gun deaths and race of perpetrators?

>>515549794
>It's impossible to amend the US constitution in practice

Um, no. It has been done before and it can be done again.
The problem with leftists, the youth, and low iq people, is that they are irrational and immature and when they have been talked into thinking they want something, they demand to get it NOW, instead of following the procedures that have been put in place for them to get the things.

They are a volatile cohort who are easy to turn into loud, obnoxious foot soldiers for whomever has the resources and the will to do it.

>>515550288
This is why we left your prissy tea drinking asses in the dust and formed a REAL nation. Lmao @ you faggots.

>>515538550 (OP)
>repeal 2nd amendment. ban and confiscate all guns door to door. anyone found with more than 10 guns during confiscation process is permanently placed on a watch list. anyone with more than 20 must attend mandatory psych evals once every 2 years for the next 10 years.
boom. america's murder rate plummets over night. kids can go to school safely again.

>>515551780
No but I do have a life time of memories of growing up around negro Americans, and common sense.

>>515552191
>boom. america's murder rate plummets over night. kids can go to school safely again.
Go ahead and connect those dots. Your conclusion is disconnected from your premises.

>>515549633
it's perfectly compatible, any tool can be used for violent and criminal purposes
roughly 16000 deaths where one person kills another, both criminally and lawfully not including law enforcement involved shootings at about 700
as opposed to roughly 25000 deaths caused by car accidents involving two or more vehicles plus, 7000 pedestrians struck and killed, and 1100 bicyclists
I chose to break down the numbers in this way specifically because a large portion of reported gun deaths are suicides, so in turn I tried to remove single vehicle accident deaths for a similar reasoning
if your argument is simply "it's a tool for killing so it's different" then that's something we can't see past each other on
but deaths caused by guns statistically aren't any more pronounced than any other tool where deaths by said tool occur

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
>Who thought every single person being allowed to own guns would end so badly?

In this case, this killing was designed for shock value. The guy could've easily stabbed Charlie off camera at some non-event requiring high levels of security.
They wanted this to be a public execution, that being the case a gun was used. More sophisticated enemies would've just resorted to other measures at a far more vulnerable time.

When you talk to a Eurocuck about guns, their response is always, 100% of the time:

>"Why do I need or want a gun? Why would I EVER want to harm a beautiful, precious, virile, powerful, dominant Muslim who rightfully owns my country and at whos' feet I have the pleasure of sucking. Europe is for the Muslims, and to ever harm or even think about harming one is a blasphemy akin to asking a European not to swallow semen whenever possible."

It's weird, but it's like their national anthem or something.

>>515552191
How do you plan on confiscating from blacks? Oh you don't? Oh, ok then.

>>515550739
In that case, then they need to stfu about Americans exercising their rights, and fuck off trying to subvert them.
If lawmakers want to alter our Constitution, they may do it by following the law.
They will get no concessions from Americans, volunteering to surrender their rights.
It won't ever happen.
Not ever.
So if any lawmaker is serious about changing the way we operate here in America, then they would propose a Constitutional amendment.
Nothing short of that.

>>515550739
because that worked so well against the Taliban and Vietnamese
and if the government is so tyranical as you claim that they'd be willing to bomb or nuke its citizenry, why on Earth would I want to make things easier for them by surrendering the one means of resistance I'm entitled by right to have?

I don’t know, if MIGA faggots like Charlie Kike end up getting slotted then I think the 2A is just swell

>>515552669
>this killing was designed for shock value.
Also, two birds with one stone. Freedom of speech and freedom of gun ownership can be attacked simultaneously. Watch laws prohibiting discussion tables pop up soon.

>>515552524
numbers aren't comparable because people modify their behaviour to avoid risky situations
cars should also be banned if at all possible because the level of car deaths is also too high, but guns aren't required at all and have huge knock on effects like making whole cities unsafe
anyway i don't care, americans are retarded faggots and my attitude to vast numbers of americans dying in mass shootings is now "lol, you wanted it, you got it"

>>515550951
You think this way because you are a
" subject ", and not a " citizen ".

>>515551671
Yes this is a tradition in marriages etc. but we don't kill one another. Any balkanite can confirm this

>>515551152
What is availability? Nobody had these contraptions that didn't even work half the time

>>515552669
Yes and no. The reason school shootings are fabricated and enabled is specifically because it allows footage of the shooter using an AR-15, which is the thing they politicize. Specifically, any "gun control" pundit or talking head will always punt to some softening like "Well you should be allowed to own single-shot rifles, not ones with AUTOMATIC MAGAZINE BULLETS".

This was not that. This was a single shot, from a bolt-action rifle. It was designed to be immediately lethal to one target and no others. The shooter did not pull the trigger and empty into the crowd (as anyone with an AR could have) nor did he shoot bystanders or other innocents (as any mass shooter would have). So there's really nothing for the gun-control crowd to latch onto here other than that it was, in fact, a gun of some variety.

>>515538550 (OP)
>twink reveals his final form.
I hope you get raped by GRIDS riddled knee grows.

>>515539649
>how many more times do I have to kill you people before you’ll give up your guns?
Fuck off

>>515553050
the US could've easily killed everyone in both of those countries
civilian guns are not an obstacle to the government doing what it wants, they just make life much worse for everyone else

>>515552988
such an amendment is practically impossible because it needs a supermajority including rural states full of gunfags

>>515553183
>Watch laws prohibiting discussion tables pop up soon.
Who would propose or table such laws, and who would vote on them, in your mind?

Gun control is not going to be a thing unless the Left somehow violently and completely dominates the entirety of the government in the future. No conservative or right politician is ever going to get on board with it, so what would proposing any such laws accomplish?

>>515553192
>"lol, you wanted it, you got it"
That's generally my reaction to how "people" must live in the UK right now.
>Oi! Dis here is a dangerous bicycle tire! Time for confiscation!

>>515538550 (OP)
Getting rid of non-whites from America is the best way to solve US gun problems without infringing the 2nd Amendment

>>515553805
I'm so happy you'll never get a passport, cletus

>>515547648
Most homicides are by knives, you would know shitskin

>>515538550 (OP)
Let’s talk about Common Sense Leftgroid Control.

>>515538550 (OP)
>would end
snerk

>>515553694
>Who would propose or table such laws, and who would vote on them, in your mind?
I live in a blue state, I expect 1A infringing laws to immediately surface.

I bought a Jericho and the appropiate grips
Fuck you OP

>>515553974
We have fewer murders in a year than Chicago does in a couple of weeks.

>>515548223
They knew guns would become more advanced, they weren't dumb. They didn't forsee shitskins, the mentally ill and women getting access to them

>>515553927
This is the actual issue.

The US was a stable, low-crime society when it was 80+% White. Taking away the rights of White people does not make the country safer, it just makes White people more vulnerable, it turns the country into South Africa.

The only solution is killing or deporting all brown people, and trannies. That is where the problem comes from. That is the cancer that eats away at the soul of our nation.

>>515553962
>I'm so happy you'll never get a passport, cletus
>Oi! Dat passport is a dangerous weapon! It gets collected in the weapons sweep too.

>>515554015
This. If we’re going to trample the bill of rights we can be a lot more targeted than a blanket gun ban and not affect my rights.

>>515554155
What does Chicago have a lot of, Anon?

What does London have a lot of, Anon?

Where does the crime seem to be coming from, Anon? Who is doing the killing, Anon? If I ask you who is doing the raping of kids in the UK, is your answer "British people" or is it fucking immigrants (that you love)?

>>515539649
You do not care about killings. Your leftgroid judges set killers loose every day. STOP THE ACT. Yoy just want to remove guns from good people so your kind can be better criminals and remove more and more freedoms from good people, while you turn the world into a criminals paradise and victims can do nothing. We see it CLEARLY in democrat run SHITHOLES you fucking evil cretin.

>>515554155
>using shitcongo as a comparison
UK hides its death toll anyway, can't offend the mudslimes

>>515553315
Do you have abortions there?

>>515553330
even if they were novelties at the time, they're proof that people were already innovating the firearm to hold multiple rounds
it wasn't a matter of "if" but "when" that readily available commercial firearms with the capability to hold multiple rounds would be available
so to say "the founders could have never envisioned this" is absurd

>>515554487
London is vastly safer than the safest American city
It's almost like making firearms hard to get is good for public safety

>>515538550 (OP)
Millions of guns didn't shoot Charlie yesterday. Maybe you be quiet now.

>>515554217
Look at Switzerland! Great gun law with lax gun ownership. ZERO shootings because all Swiss citizens are White

The actual "Gun Control" is "Race Control".
>White people get the arms
>non-white people get the bullets

>>515553648
Well then, in this case, I guess you could say that democracy DOES, in fact, work.
The people have spoken on this matter.

>>515554839
I notice you didn't answer my questions, Anon.

>>515554595
Of course, legal

>>515538550 (OP)
>sweden

DESTROY NATO (CIA)

DESTROY NATO (CIA)

DESTROY NATO (CIA)

>>515539649
That's not the question, you eternal cuckold. The question is: How many more killings before we start returning fire?

>>515538550 (OP)
>gun grabbers say gib guns
No
>gun grabbers shoot 2A advocate
>now do you want to gib guns?

Why does anyone think my reaction to yesterday is anything but go fuck yourself?

>>515554276
Lmao. Gottem! Lol

>>515538550 (OP)
>let me talk about laws in a country that I don’t live in
So when are you guys going to make owning a monkey legal again?

BLACK GENOCIDE.......... NOW.

>>515553330
>What is availability? Nobody had these contraptions that didn't even work half the time
There was a cool rifle used in the Lewis and Clark expedition. Pretty sure the people who penned the second amendment were mostly still alive then.

>>515538550 (OP)

>Sweden is the grenade attack capitol of the world

How is this possible when grenades are illegal in sweden?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

>>515544965
>stupid cUK didn't read history
The bill of rights was included in the original ratification. In fact it shows that no states were going to sign it UNTIL it got the amendments.

>>515554217
>deporting all brown people, and trannies. That is where the problem comes from.

Agreed. Let's deport them all to Switzerland and Britain to study how they handle things.
Would they suddenly want guns for themselves, then?

>>515555007
>Democracy is when a minority of rural gunfags hold a country to blackmail
just saying don't be shocked when you get some kind of massive upheaval over this shit

>>515547648
>Claiming they do not make murder easier and more common is laughable.
i grew up in a small town usa where everybody had guns. dudes in high school had a gun rack in their truck. no shootings ever in my school or town and we had a decent amount of blacks

>>515555250
This lol. Why do they think the answer will be any different. In fact I think MORE people (non-leftists) should have guns and should have used them when they saw the shooter on the roof.

>>515555741
All I'm hearing from cucks like >>515554950
is that Europe loves brown people and demands more and more and more brown people.

Well, we're going to send you ours. Your civilization is fucking destroyed anyway, what's a few more roaches on the pile?

>>515547648
>so let's ensure only government has them
Spoken like a true subject, not citizen

buy as many fucking guns as you wish
stop the cultural hysteria around guns and secund 'mendment

'ate the libfags
'ate the non-muricans
'ate the gvrmnt

luv muh guns
luv muh burgers
luv muh chevy

simple as

>>515550676
>Whites allowed this
>Whites allowed that
It's more jews have a ridiculous near-super-natural spy network that kills any White with influence.
Nonwhites don't have a chance against that spy network either.
It Finally looks like Whites are setting up their own counter spy network against jews, so these cucked white incidents will be reduced.

>>515555836
>just saying don't be shocked when you get some kind of massive upheaval over this shit
I'm trying to imagine the impact of your imaginary majority attempting something interesting when they have never even shot a gun.

>>515556049
All governments have a monopoly on force. Deal with it.

>>515548223
Hey niggerfaggot. Yesterday was 1 shot 1 bullet.

Now what?

>>515556270
>All governments have a monopoly on force. Deal with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

>>515555157
Why would anyone wish to kill their babies in the utopian society you've described? You got no negroes. No crime. All happy white people living in a clean, safe land.

>>515556200
Organized force > disorganized force.

>>515555836
>you get some kind of massive upheaval over this shit

Over what? The Second Amendment has been part of our country since the day it was founded, and the process for amending the Constitution has as well. You have always needed 2/3 majority of both bodies of Congress for any amendment.

And not to mention, currently 30 out of 50 States in the Union have passed laws allowing "Constitutional" permitless carry of firearms, which means that in more than half of the entire country you can either open carry or concealed carry a firearm at all times with no need to have a permit or license of any sort from the government. And that number has been going UP, not down.

So the idea that somehow people are going to suddenly wake up and do a 180 on firearms in this country is nonsense. What they ARE going to wake up to, or are doing so now, is that blacks and Leftists having firearms is a problem.

>>515538550 (OP)
>JUST DISARM YOURSELVES GOYIM OR WE WILL KEEP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE
No

>>515538550 (OP)
>guns save more people here than they kill
this math confuses the eurofag

>>515538550 (OP)
There are a lot of people who can't own guns. They can't afford them. I support the government purchasing guns, tanks, rockets, and nukes for the white militia and arming them at tax payers expense. You ready to have that kind of talk or nah?

>>515556600
>Organized force > disorganized force.
Are the slogans supposed to stop bullets? Oh, maybe a catch phrase has supernatural powers. Probably not.

>>515538550 (OP)
The 2nd amendment was created in a time when guns had poor range, accuracy and held only a single shot that took minutes to reload

>>515555333
Checked for legal monkey owning

>>515556270

Not true. Government attempt to claim that, but they don't actually ever have it. If you were honest you would just admit you are advocating for the government to have even more unchecked power over the average person. The question is why.

>>515555836
Deal.

>>515557076
Why do you obey the law?
The cops can use force and ultimately the government can call in the military and kill you if you don't obey. That's why. Everything comes down to force and the ability to kill.

>>515538550 (OP)
Just take guns away from leftoids everything will be fine

>>515556967
and yet those arms had the same exact capabilities as what the largest military in the world at the time had
and private citizens could own artillery
the intent was always equal footing, regardless of advancements in technology

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
No because you aren't even American.
Also
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>515556967
>The 2nd amendment was created in a time when guns had poor range, accuracy and held only a single shot that took minutes to reload
You've arrived late.
>>515551152

>>515538550 (OP)
A woman died from a knife attack 2 days prior. You would have to ban everything and anything that could be used as a weapon. Why do they think they can use this argument? Are they retarded?

>>515557315
>The cops can use force and ultimately the government can call in the military and kill you if you don't obey.
Odd way to live.

>>515555333
The US Civil War made owning monkeys illegal. Then jews went the extra step and made nigger monkies (((citizens))) in 1871 when everyone else thought the monkies would be sent back to the african jungle.

>>515556798
This.

>>515557702
Understand that the average Brit literally does, in fact, live in abject terror that at any moment the government can and will come and arrest them with no warrant, no incitement, just something like "Your presence has caused someone anxiety and offense" and suddenly they're in jail.

They fear this because they understand they have no rights. They have no right to freedom, they have no right to speak, they have no right to defend themselves. And so at any moment the government can choose to say they are a detriment to the multicultural brown society being built, and have them removed.

>>515556721
>And not to mention, currently 30 out of 50 States in the Union have passed laws allowing "Constitutional" permitless carry of firearms, which means that in more >than half of the entire country you can either open carry or concealed carry a firearm at all times with no need to have a permit or license of any sort from the >government. And that number has been going UP, not down.

This is because more people, including lawmakers, are understanding that the United States Constitution is right and should be adhered to, instead of subverted.

Even if you'd have unlimited access to any sort of weapons--you'd still need to have some sort of social contract in place to ensure that your fellow citizens don't make Swiss cheese out of you for the lulz
What would this social contract look like for those of you who are pro-guns?
"Oh you just try to shoot me--i'll shoot you first"
Something along these lines?

>>515557702
that's how it works in literally any country by definition
why does anyone obey the law?
we've ceded force to the government in return for the things the government does for us.

>>515558083
nobody has any rights really
rights are a fiction we made up to replace christian morality for "why" we should do things and treat people in certain ways, but they aren't real

>>515556600
How would you classify the US army? How would you classify the Taliban? Which one is in control of Afghanistan?

>>515558407
>why does anyone obey the law?
I confess that I exceed the speed limit while driving.

>>515538550 (OP)
Talk about what Sweedcuck? You don't even have rights.

>>515558099
Correct. Prior to the MAGA movement, the GOP and conservative wing of the political system in America was largely languid, lethargic, and uninterested in fighting for anything meaningful. In the past 15 years, however, it has become one of rigid and unwavering love of America and our Constitution, and an understanding that those who to break us and turn us into the emasculated queers in Europe are going to do everything they can to burn the Constitution and its' supporters to the ground.

And so, we live in a world where I can proudly say that if you attempt to deny me my freedoms or harm me, I will fucking shoot you.

>>515558641
>How would you classify the US army?
Full of trannies
>How would you classify the Taliban?
Full of retards
> Which one is in control of Afghanistan?
The one which actually lives there as opposed to the one which had no real goals as an occupier

>>515558407
>we've ceded force to the government in return for the things the government does for us.
YOU have, faggot. My country is by, of, and for The People. The founders gave us the 2A specifically to replace the government if it becomes like yours. Say hi to Mohammad when he rapes your wife this afternoon.

>>515557689
Their end goal is to ban everything.
They even want to ban the most potent weapons we have to defeat them.
The human heart, the human mind, and the human spirit.
They want humanity itself, gone. Unrecognizably wiped out.
Now we must confront the most difficult question.
Who is " they "? These anti-human beings.
Who are they?

>>515558127
You shoot, you die. There's many less people willing to die than are willing to kill, population of murderers gets reduced to 0 almost instantly. Everyone left peacefully agrees that they don't want to die. If you arm only the criminals then there's no such repercussions, criminal shoots and you die and then he just keeps going.

>>515546339
But enough about the government.

>>515559217
your government is a lot worse than ours and you haven't done shit. your kids got trooned out. you got ethnically cleansed from all your own cities. amazing cope.

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
No. Inalienable means non-negotiable.

>>515558887
Nice deflection, here's the correct answer to my questions:
>US military is organized
>Taliban is disorganized
>TerroristsWin.counterstrike

>>515558127
Con tract?
You don’t understand what this existence is, do you?

>>515559603
they're both organized
if they'd wanted to, the US could've killed everyone in afghanistan within about 10 minutes

>>515558760
>>515559217
Based.

>>515543516
>Statistically it's fine.

>>515558127
>What would this social contract look like for those of you who are pro-guns?

I don't know if you know this, but owning guns does not give you a right to fucking murder people. Just like owning a car does not give you the right to drive into a crowd of people, just like owning cyanide does not give you the right to put it in someone's food.

You're allowed to own and posses lots of things that can potentially be used to do harm. That does not make actually DOING the harm fucking legal. So if your contention is "If everyone had a gun on their hip, then everyone would just settle every minor grievance by shooting people" then you're fucking retarded.

You know who the only people who think and act like that are? FUCKING BLACK PEOPLE.

>>515538550 (OP)
Having guns didn't save Charlie Kirk, kek.

>>515559498
Your island is a totalitarian shithole. Shrimple as.

He was killed with a bolt action rifle. Almost every country that has "common sense" gun laws allows them. Hell even places like Japan does for hunting. Anything short of a complete military executed confiscation, death penalty for any one who resists or tries to smuggle more in, and destroying basic machining tools(lathes, 3D printers, even loose pipe) could have prevented this.

>>515546339
>Your security as a people is constantly threatened by niggers with guns, retard
ftfy retard. stay out of things that you have no understanding of as a eurojeet.

>>515559841
US whites despite being armed to the teeth have the same homicide rates as white European countries. Who could have guessed that.

>>515559759
>if they'd wanted to, the US could've killed everyone in afghanistan within about 10 minutes
There would be nobody left to collect the natural resources in that country. Why go for a countries natural resources if you can't collect them?
Oh riiiiight. We were there for "humanitarian" reasons or something.

>>515559841
Now show the black population for those countries/states.

>>515538550 (OP)
>Who thought every single person being allowed to own guns would end so badly?
Gun control means that leftists (sociologists, psychologists, holes in general) get to decide who owns guns. Gun control means a non-stop slaughter of whoever dissents with leftists policies. A leftist can never be wrong, but their beliefs and policies can be sabotaged by criticism.

>>515559853
The fact that you didn’t say nigger tells me you’re a leftist troon.

>BBBB UT YOU CANT FO THE HARM!!!!

Yes, you can. What do you think this universe is? What is Life?
The Law of tooth and claw. The Law of God.

Fuck you,
Get mine.

Welcome to Urf

>>515560251
>>515560165
>muh blacks
And if you remove the minorities from European countries it would probably be still times lower than the "white" American homicide rate.

>>515538550 (OP)
you cuckold faggot Swed.

>>515559993
Saved Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman, though. Which you screeching faggots still seethe to this day about not receiving a guilty verdict because they rightfully acted in self defense with guns that saved their own lives. Thats 2:1 against anti-gun vermin arguments.

>>515559993
>t. Petrol huffing abo

>>515560281
And it certainly doesn’t mean that guns disappear. It just means they aren’t in your hands or mine.

>>515560382
Lolwhat. Fuck off you retarded shitposting kike. Go schizopost somewhere else.

>>515553192
People like you should be banned.

>>515560085
One of the last in line to be banned too. Presumably rimfire would be last

>>515559841
All this shows is that the U.S. has a nigger and spic problem and not a firearms related one.

>>515559841
You have to correlate for the ethnicity too. There is a stronger correlation of violence for ethnicity than for government policies.

Also remember, that not all violence is bad. There is negative violence which is used to negate people's rights, and positive violence which is used to assert the rights of a victim (such as a child brandishing an axe at immigrants).

>>515538550 (OP)
This has been debated every time a high profile murder happens. Every time gun grabbers lose. Here's some bullet points for your meatball brained argument.
>shall not be infringed
>risks of gun ownership outweigh negative impacts
>many instances of people saving lives with guns
>if you don't trust government or law enforcement why allow them to only have guns
>a well armed society is buy in large a polite society
>we've tried banning guns, didn't do jack shit
>guns don't kill people, people kill people, they will just find other means
>no gun countries still have problems with gun violence
>too many guns in america already
>total gun ban would just create a cartel black market
>whenever things get bad(covid, protests, mass murder), gun sales skyrocket
>total gun ban would make america vulnerable to foreign threats

>>515560411
New Hampshire and Denmark are just about as white as each other. But yes if you took the blacks out of France or the slavs out of Estonia it would also match the murder rate of US whites.

>>515538550 (OP)
>franchise inflation and Hart-Cellar issue

Enjoy your Arabs and state enforced homosexuality gene thrapy inbred royal bootlicker Eurochattel.

>>515560610
I just said the truth. Laws only exist only in so far as we agree they do. Force doctrine is king.
People don’t harm each other, because they choose not to. Not because any law tells them to.

Now that I’ve spelled it out for you in giant fucking crayons, baby boy. Does widdle baby boy now understand fiwosofy?

>>515559363
but that's not the average mentality of pro-guns people. pro-guns folks tend to assume a moral high ground by default. they're always the protagonists of their little idividual movies with everyone else being a potential hazard
>>515559608
>>515559853
these guys prove it
>>515559608
existence is multifaceted and not limited to a constant conspirological schizophrenic episode
>>515559853
i wasn't imposing any ideal contract, just asking what it would l ook like for those who believe that unlimited acess to guns is justified. guns are designed for murder. i didn't say i'm against gun ownership: i asked what the social contract to ensure mutual benefit over mutual harm would look like.

>>515560028
I wish we were totalitarian, then we'd be less of a shithole
I want a China style government that pre-emptively rounds people up who look like they'll cause crimes
Instead I get a whole lot of pensioners wasting my tax pounds on the NHS.

>>515539649
>HOW MANY MORE KILLINGS BEFORE YOU START BANNING GUNS?

How many more people have to die in wars before we ban start banning militaries?

>>515560980
>pro-guns folks tend to assume a moral high ground by defaul
They do have it by default, they have their rights and they aren't doing any crimes. Criminals are the ones who are wrong and they are summarily eliminated when everyone is armed. Criminals will be the ones who are armed if you disarm the people who aren't doing anything wrong and then they won't be eliminated. It's a pretty simple equation really.

a fukkin SWEDE

>>515560980
>i asked what the social contract to ensure mutual benefit over mutual harm would look like.

...It would be one based on the concept of mutual harm not being a good thing. That's literally the whole point. Are you retarded?

>>515558127
How this works is that here, there is Federal Law and State's Rights.
Everything not explicitly covered in the United States Constitution ( federal ), is for each State to decide for themselves.
The way states decide things is for the people to cast votes.
Any state can essentially make guns illegal in their state- as long as the people of that state were to vote to do so.
But instead of following any procedure of law, the leftists and retards want to just
" ban " everything, without American citizens casting their votes on it.
(Ironically, that IS actual fascism, desu.)
That is where the problems come in. When talk of subverting our Constitution is going on.

>>515561000
Your government does do that, you ignorant slave! They ant to give you more of that, and slave-minded hive-drones like yourself only want more.
Jesus tapdancing Christ, I’m glad we shrugged you braindead freaks off our backs in the 1700’s.

>>515561195
Making guns harder to get also makes them harder for criminals to get.

>>515561000
>I wish we were totalitarian, then we'd be less of a shithole
But you guys are totalitarian
>I want a China style government that pre-emptively rounds people up who look like they'll cause crimes
China is also a shithole. Sewer oil for food and man eating escalators, oh my.

>>515538550 (OP)
are you really trying to reason with these retards. there's no hope of convincing anyone on this site of anything

>>515560513
Kyle Rittenhouse was ”saved”? He was literally in a different state from where he lived and he crossed state lines in order to provoke a self defense situation
I will give you Zimmerman though. For every Zimmerman theres probably 100 avoidable murders that dont happen in civilized countries

>515544519
>y-y-you're tuh-tuh-tuh-TERRORISMISTS
YOU DESERVE YOUR HAS-BEEN EMPIRE'S DOWNFALL, NIGGERLOVER. SIT DOWN AND EAT A SCHWARMA. YOU DEFINITELY WON'T DO SHEEEIT.

>>515561282
>Your government does do that, you ignorant slave! They ant to give you more of that, and slave-minded hive-drones like yourself only want more.
I fucking wish they did.
I want the government to spend 10 times as much on prisons and police. We are massively under-policed.

>>515538550 (OP)
>I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

you wanna guess who said this op, you get one attempt

>>515561000
>I want a China style government that pre-emptively rounds people up who look like they'll cause crimes

Then why are you not actively killing brown people when they try and land on your shores in little boats? Why did you not burn every mosque down and kill every Muslim for being related to the grooming gangs?

Oh, it's because actually you love those things happening and you have a fetish for it? Gotcha.

>>515543702
I mean then it shouldn't matter if we enact the laws right? If they are so ineffective, then fuck it. May as well. You'll prove your point beyond a shadow of a doubt, right?

>>515561376
>MUHHH CROSSED STATE LYNEZ!!!!
KEK, still seething to this fucking day.

>>515560980
There is. No. Contract. Other. Than. What. We. Say. It. Is.
And that changes minute by minute.

The best we have is the 2A. It’s already done. The 2A protects the 1A. The idea that above all the ability for a life form to be able to scream out and freely express itself is Life itself.

You want a literal legal brief that will never exist.
And nor should it…

So many fucking children on this website. Ffs

>>515561344
>Making guns harder to get also makes them harder for criminals to get.
Now you're talking about getting rid of mills, lathes, and executing those who know how to use them.
Because if you don't, I'll still have guns.

>>515561195
well, then who defines what is a crime? you could just as well say that those niggers you keep blaming are just living out their own idea of justice
>>515561214
you're the retard if you think that sleeping with your gun is going to give you eternal life and that there's absolutely no other way to approach people but by waving your guns around. there's always a bigger boy with bigger guns ou there, silly redneck

>>515561376
He was 20 minutes over the border, in the town he worked in, and was invited by friends to participate in the protection of property from retards rioting. Do you think you don't have the right to defend yourself just because you aren't in the state you live in?

>>515558760
Very based.

>>515561376
>He was literally in a different state
One of the rights we enjoy is interstate travel.

>>515557461
Even if it weren't that
No one has responded to my post here
>>515556343

>>515538550 (OP)
>the concept of self defense confuses me so much, why don't you just let niggers rape and kill you?

>>515561344
>Making guns harder to get also makes them harder for criminals to get.

No the fuck it doesn't. The only way this would make sense is if there no guns at all, if all of them everywhere were somehow rounded up and melted down. Blue states have the strictest laws for acquiring firearms and yet they're overloaded with nigs and spics and shit all killing each other daily with guns.

Because those "strict laws" only exist to stop the law-abiding, they don't stop the people who will break the law to smuggle them in or otherwise acquire weapons.

You know what's illegal everywhere in the US? Automatic firearms. You know what literally every single black in Democrat states own and shoot at eachother? Glocks with switches.

>>515556736
The fucking gaul. They are lucky they aren't getting the ammo at 2400fps

>>515561356
China went from an actual third world shithole to a pretty decent country for most people to live in.
I'd be proud if I had a totalitarian China style government. I want the government to fucking profile everyone and round everyone up who's antisocial, not coddle hostile minorities and old people. I want a government that builds shit and tells the NIMBYs to fuck off and has absolutely no respect for "private property rights" over the public interest. I'd rather have a real social credit system where you at least know the rules than the gay kind we have run by HR roasties.

>>515561776
>there's always a bigger boy with bigger guns ou there, silly redneck
That knowledge is what causes criminals to second guess home invasions. Makes homes safer.

>>515538550 (OP)
>Who thought every single person being allowed to own guns would end so badly?

Not that you're capable of thinking this way. But there is an inherent risk that one has in a society that has freedoms. Allowing people to own guns might mean that you may be killed by one. I know you can't understand this concept especially when espousing emotional drivel like you are here >>515539649 . You only understand collectivism, good feelings, and idealism. You are lucky to live in a country in an era that allows you to think that way. Enjoy it while it lasts, Anon.

>>515538550 (OP)
And today, the right wing will be the ones demanding censorship.

>>515561274
well thanks for the lecture. my point ist what is YOUR idea of how the game theoretical of widespread gun ownership hould look like in the context of a hypothetical society in which there are absolutely no limits on gun ownership.
>>515561725
well then don't cry next time a nigger or a kike kills you, your family or your friends--because that's just them defining their values

>>515538550 (OP)
I never get the logic of saying guns are bad, even when there are more guns than ever yet we're told violent crime is at record lows.
Wouldn't violent crime increase incrementally with more guns?

>>515538550 (OP)
I didn't know guns killed people.

I always thought the people using the guns killed people.

>>515561776
>you're the retard if you think that sleeping with your gun is going to give you eternal life

No I think sleeping with a gun is going to grant whatever poor bastard that breaks into my house a lightning pass to meet with God.

>>515562111
You are such a stupid retard its unreal.

>>515561776
>if you think that sleeping with your gun is going to give you eternal life
The fuck are you talking about? What does this ESL shit even mean?

>and that there's absolutely no other way to approach people but by waving your guns around.
Bro what the fuck is even going on in your head? I carry a 9mm and two mags with me everywhere I go. You know how often I take it out and point it at any one or any thing in a day? Fucking zero. And you'd never know I had it because you can't see it. But that doesn't mean that if shit pops off I'm not drilled enough that I can draw and put five rounds in you in under 2 seconds.

>there's always a bigger boy with bigger guns ou there, silly redneck
What the fuck does this even mean? Anon, this isn't a video game.

>>515562354
>well then don't cry next time a nigger or a kike kills you

You can't cry if you're dead, Anon.

>>515561344
Disproportionally that favors the criminals. It's an illogical statement to demand the weakest and most vulnerable people who follow the rules to be weakest and lest armed group.

>>515561376
He was being murdered and he saved himself and the future victims of the murderer, that's a net gain of several lives. You have the right to self defense no matter where you are.

>>515561776
>well, then who defines what is a crime?
Does it matter? Crimes are what people agree that are crimes. If you think you have the right to kill then you also have the right to be killed, this reduces the population of people who believe they have the right to kill to 0 very quickly. It's a self correcting issue. Trannies kill themselves at a rapid rate for instance and that's a good way to get rid of the people who kill the most trannies.

>>515562084
Gall*

Gaul is a French person.

>>515559993
College campuses are gun free zones.

Tangentially related though, now that you bring it up, WHO THE FUCK WAS CHARLIE KIRK'S SECURITY TEAM?
He did hire security to travel with him at events, didn't he?
Why and how did Charlie Kirk's security team fail him?
Did Charlie Kirk have the same security team as President Trump did, on 7/13?

>>515562111
There it is, the real argument. Do you trade liberty and freedom for a totalitarian safety net.

>newsflash, there is no safety you dumb bitch

>>515538550 (OP)
It hasn't ended and that's why you keep losing

>>515539649
War is a religion. Aztec, Rome, Prussia, had mandatory schooling and ritual sacrifice for the glory of (war) god. Sound familiar? The machine wont stop until it burns itself to the ground, just like every other nation built on war that came before this one. I would take satisfaction in knowing you don't have to participate, and can watch from a safe distance.

>>515538550 (OP)
>Is it time we had a serious talk about this?
The only serious talk you're going to get is being told to eat shit. Why don't you go lick your local muslim immigrant's asshole, Sven?

>>515562057
>Blue states have the strictest laws for acquiring firearms and yet they're overloaded with nigs and spics and shit all killing each other daily with guns.
Because laws have to be imposed at the national scale to work you idiot. I guarantee if you banned the sale, manufacture and possession of all guns and ammunition and used police and military force to go door to door and confiscate guns and ammunition and used all government resources to go through bank records, social media and wiretap phones and computers to figure out who had guns and interrogate and search those suspects and sealed the borders to prevent any more firearms being brought in you would make guns much harder to get. Not impossible but within a few generations gun murder would become rare. Guns do not appear magically.
>muh 3d printers
OK, make those illegal too, or modify the firmware so they can't print guns, whatever.

>Because those "strict laws" only exist to stop the law-abiding
Why have any laws at all then? Fucking idiot.

I just don't think unmedicated mentally ill trannies should be allowed to own guns

>>515562963
>Because laws have to be imposed at the national scale to work you idiot.
And when that doesn't work, multinational... right?

>>515562963
>Because laws have to be imposed at the national scale to work you idiot.
Yeah you go ahead and let the EU make all your laws Nigel, because that's what you're advocating for. You faggots just ditched your federated government and you're still a nanny police state.

>>515562648
>He did hire security to travel with him at events, didn't he?

He always had one, and later at least two (though by the videos of his body being rushed into a truck it was at least 6) active security bodyguards next to him while he was speaking. But the thing is, those people were there to stop people from attacking him, they can't stop an active shooter from any distance. If anyone thought that someone would go up on a roof and snipe him, then that's a whole different story but it also begs the question of why would anyone need to operate day-to-day as if someone is literally going to pop them from two football fields away with a hunting rifle. That's not a normal thing to expect, no one can live their life assuming that might be the case except maybe high-level politicians.

The President has the government who can lock down half a town and put snipers on rooftops. Charlie Kirk has never had a reason to assume such a thing would be in the realm of necessary, because why would it? And even if he did, would they have the authority to shoot at someone who might be a threat?

>>515563132
We've already got multinational laws to prevent weapons trafficking, which the US predictably is holding up.

If you don't like the sound of that, consider we're also going to have global laws limiting carbon emissions, otherwise humanity dies.

Yeah we want our militias back

>>515563300
>We've already got multinational laws to prevent weapons trafficking, which the US predictably is holding up.
Problem solved already then, see how there are no more guns? Oh wait...

>>515563300
>We've already got multinational laws to prevent weapons trafficking
and yet shitskins literally run through your streets with blades and your government does nothing

>>515561732
Don't give them more ideas on things to ban. Because they will surely try.

>>515563434
The fact we're under-policed is not an argument for fucking guns you retard, it's an argument for having more police and probably for much more intrusive monitoring of what people are buying online.

>>515561867
Under rated pro-Constitution bantz

>>515538550 (OP)
I've got an even better idea, how about making it illegal to shoot people to death instead?

>>515549690
Your country gaped for Bolsheviks.
How did that work out?

>>515538550 (OP)
shut the fuck up muslim you just want rape gangs in america

>>515562963
>you banned the sale, manufacture and possession of all guns and ammunition and used police and military force to go door to door and confiscate guns
So are we Lexington and concord again?

Fuck off, red coat

>>515563519
>Don't give them more ideas on things to ban. Because they will surely try.
California already has an unconstitutionally vague CNC mill ban that is also a 2A infringement. Enforcement is where they lose cops going door to door.
I can also make another.

>>515563132
Yeah he's a globalist.

>>515561732
>Now you're talking about getting rid of mills, lathes
Making the mass production of guns impossible and having a few illegally manufactured in machine shops sounds good. But if it's a problem we can register everyone who owns machine tools and spy on them or do random searches.

Why do gunfags always have one argument? It's "If you can't prevent all murders ever it's not worth doing". That's just a way of trying to stop anyone doing about their guns, because gunfags are terrorists.

>>515562627
Gaul is litearally not a "french" person, frog is the word for a "french" person.

>>515562963
>I guarantee if you banned the sale, manufacture and possession of all guns and ammunition and used police and military force to go door to door and confiscate guns and ammunition and used all government resources to go through bank records, social media and wiretap phones and computers to figure out who had guns and interrogate and search those suspects and sealed the borders to prevent any more firearms being brought in you would make guns much harder to get.

And why, exactly, would any citizen allow this to happen? How exactly do you imagine such a massive, completely unimaginably totalitarian and dystopian destruction of freedom would come to pass as a law? And also, how do you think that this would be allowed to happen when our Constitution literally, word for word, says that if the Government ever does such a thing it is a our moral and patriotic duty to resist and overthrow it violently?

>OK, make those illegal too
Ah, the quintessentially British answer to everything.

>Why have any laws at all then?
...Do you not remember that just a few lines ago you called for "laws" that would see the government breaking down doors and rounding up people's personal and private property, spying on them, and arresting them?

Like, you're seeming to want to argue for both sides of this concept.

>>515563741
By your logic why have any laws?

>>515549807
Yeah, they intended all the farm wives to be disarmed so they could more readily be destroyed by marauding Indians.
You are retarded.
The Bill of Rights designates GOD GIVEN rights to ALL PEOPLE.

>>515549690
Thats why your country is an irrelevant shithole at best and a future Russian asset at worst

>>515562963
>gun murder would become rare
Pffft nah. Your country is pretty strict and still has plenty of gun murder. You banned knives and stabbings are out if control. People will just come up with different ways to kill each other. Your more effective solution is a national stand your ground law and harsher penalties for murder and gang affiliation coupled with more law enforcement presence. Only pussies who can't defend themselves want total government control.(You)

>>515564030
I dunno, 30,000 gun deaths a year sounds dystopian to me.

>Like, you're seeming to want to argue for both sides of this concept.

Can you fucking read? I'm asking why you think there should be any laws, if your line is that only the law abiding obey laws. Why have laws?

>>515563987
>Making the mass production of guns impossible
But it's still possible to have a mill without a license. Even if it's "illegal", it isn't difficult. People in this country still make moonshine and that's way harder to hide.

>>515564297
>Your country is pretty strict and still has plenty of gun murder.
We had 22 gun murders last year. That's not even a Friday night in Chicago.

>>515563623
>The fact we're under-policed is not an argument for fucking guns you retard
It absolutely is faggot, because the fact you're under-policed is a direct result of that. If your cops were packing heat like ours those sand niggers would think twice.

>>515563244
Idk. It seems sus to me. What is the point of a security team who does not keep you safe?
Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA have close ties with the object of TDS, itself.
Seems like any security team hired by someone like Kirk should be better at their jobs. More detailed, you know?

>>515564333
>if your line is that only the law abiding obey laws. Why have laws?

...because when liberals like you stop releasing them from prison, we actually put people who break laws in jail and keep them there, and they can't do it anymore.

>>515564104
It's a retarded take. You think an assassin is going to go out to kill his target, see the no guns sign, then say silly me and go home because his plan was thwarted?

>>515564333
>Why have laws?
For consequences, not deterrence.

>>515563489
Lol

>>515564458
No, we're under-policed as a result of Tories cutting police funding in half.

> If your cops were packing heat like ours those sand niggers would think twice.
I actually 100% agree with that. I think our police should be armed to the fucking teeth. I would feel safer if the police had machine guns and, hell, I'd give them shotguns and rocket launchers. I don't want anyone else to have weapons but I'd love the country to be patrolled by the most lethal cops the world has ever fucking seen.

>>515564519
>What is the point of a security team who does not keep you safe?

Anon, I don't know how to get this through your head; No one can keep you safe from a fucking 30-06 round from a quarter of a mile away. That's not a thing that a person can do.

>>515564535
OK, so why not have gun laws which we put people who break them in jail and keep everyone else safe?

>>515544965
Hey, wanker, the Articles predated the Constitution, and multiple state constitutions included the RKBA before the federal constitution was a thing.

his death was symbolic and planned. his last words defending dakka and immediately shot in the neck by some mossad agent. anyone can just go prone on top of a building and go ham. US is close to being an anarchic state.

>>515564958
Because owning a gun is not a crime. Shooting someone with it is. How is this complicated?

>>515564769
>No, we're under-policed as a result of Tories cutting police funding in half.
Nonsense. You guys banned everything. It's now a Utopia. Why pay for any cops?

>>515538550 (OP)
How would revoking the second amendment prevent Israel from hiring a hitman to kill bad goyim?

>>515564434
>22 gun murders in a year
That you know of, in a country smaller than Texas. You still havnt addressed all the stabbings or my point. You're still a pussy who believes a totalitarian regime can save you...it won't, and you wouldn't realise that fact until you become a victim. Like so many stories of young progressives in america

>>515565059
Owning a gun should be a crime because putting gun owners in jail prevents them from shooting people and it prevents them selling their guns or losing their guns to people who would shoot people.

>>515565077
I wish. We are suffering from 14 years of tax-cutting clowns who literally did defund all the police. They'd rather arrest people for tweets than deal with street crime.

>>515562487
well you were the first to make an explicit death threat--so how should i respond if i were to meet you IRL knowing that you're willing to kill me without me making any explicit threats to you? that's the presumed moral highground i were talking about earlier. you think you're the protagonist of your little subjective movie and everyone else is out to get you when the truth is most people don't even know you exist.
>>515562547
true
>>515562561
you can see from this thread that there are more than plenty of those who are willing to kill just because they feel threatened--without any evidence of that being true. yet they still claim moral highground and a willingness to kill. they're also still alive. your logic doesn't work, sadly

>>515564958
We already do. Background checks and registered firearms

>>515565299
>You're still a pussy who believes a totalitarian regime can save you...it won't, and you wouldn't realise that fact until you become a victim-ACK!
*gets shot in the neck by a tranny*

>>515565331
>I wish. We are suffering from 14 years of tax-cutting clowns who literally did defund all the police. They'd rather arrest people for tweets than deal with street crime.
Too bad you can't do anything about it.
Because you gave away all your guns.
Luty was from the UK, you should look into that national treasure.

>>515538550 (OP)
You haven’t seen anything yet , wait until you Jews see what the 2nd amendment is all about.

>>515565424
>so how should i respond if i were to meet you IRL knowing that you're willing to kill me without me making any explicit threats to you?
Bro your brain is pudding. You're so fucking cooked, you probably are some form of inbred, as Slavs tend to be.

>>515565561
>Too bad you can't do anything about it.
We will, we're going to vote Nigel Farage in as Prime Minister.
Guns don't do shit to solve political problems.

>>515565664
word soup

>>515565502
>we need a totalitarian government to make all guns and knives illegal to own-AACK
*gets stabbed and raped by a paki then arrested for a hate crime

>>515538550 (OP)
The same retards keep using the same old, debunked arguments. Either from Canada or Sweden or France.

Let me explain in a way your little brain can understand.

A guy with a gun has the ability to defend himself, a guy without a gun doesn't. It's that simple. Are you retarded enough not to understand that?

Gun laws don't work because criminals don't follow the law.

The black market exists and is cheap depending on the location.

People don't need guns to kill, they can kill with anything, knives, fists, even stones.

>>515565714
>Guns don't do shit to solve political problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

>>515563300
>humanity dies
Nope just you and your family will be dying

>>515564030
>Ah, the quintessentially British answer to everything.
Please refrain from lumping me in with that guy. If I had my way, he'd be getting free helicopter rides along with all his ilk.

>>515538550 (OP)
restricting the mentally ill is "well regulated"
denying reality is mental illness.