Thread 515559675

So, explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons? Because it's quite obvious to me that it does not.

In case you haven't realized it, the word "Militia" in the original text of Second Amendment is spelled with a capital "M". That means it is referring to only one Militia, not multiple loosely organized bands of people or individuals. In 1776, at the writing of the Second Amendment we had no organized military and everyone was a part of this one Milita. It's 2018 now. The armed forces have taken the place of the Militia and we no longer have a "Militia". As a result, the civilian ownership of assault rifles is based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution and the founders' views.

The time has come to stop this nonsense and keep our nation safe from NRA-backed gun violence. Assault rifles have no place on our streets and schools, killing our children. Ban them, confiscate them, it does not matter. What does matter is that we do something to stop the violence. Look at Australia and the UK. They banned guns and...no more mass shootings. There is no reason that we cannot do the same just because some piece of paper says we can't.

come and take it faggot

>>515559675 (OP)
>so, explain to me
No

>>515559675 (OP)
Dude had a deer rifle. How is this post relevant?

>>515559675 (OP)
>the swede posts it again

>>515559675 (OP)
got blown out in the other thread so badly you had to start over, huh?

>>515559675 (OP)
The Second Amendment also explicitly calls for militias to be "WELL-REGULATED" but 2A gun nuts conveniently forget that part when they argue against common sense gun control.

>>515559675 (OP)
kill yourself
>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
it's amazing the length people, either lefties or rabble-rousers like yourself, will go to try to twist simple language

>>515559675 (OP)
I see people with this argument as a natural filter to discern people that are indoctrinated from people that actually understand the politics they are participating in. Cocaine is illegal. What do you do when you want to buy Coke ? you go visit a dealer, a criminal, that will sell it to you.
How can people not realize that just because the government makes something illegal it doesn't mean nobody has access to guns. It means only the criminals do. The only people that lose with gun control laws are law abiding citizens, criminals will still have access to them illegally. Charlie Kirk would still have been shot.
This argument and point of contempt is literally brainless tier.

>>515559675 (OP)
there's really no point getting upset about americans murdering each other
it's what they do
bees pollinate, beavers build dams, americans shoot each other
at the end of the day they're just obese retards who deserve everything that happens to them and news out of america should be taken as pure entertainment with a hint of "thank fucking god i don't live there"

>>515559951
ok

>>515559675 (OP)
>So, explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons?
No. Mind your own fucking business.

>>515559675 (OP)
I'm a man. I can own whatever I can prevent other men from taking from me. Rights are for slaves. Fuck off with this gay shit faggot.

$ @ % 3
goes in all fields

>>515559675 (OP)
The 2nd Amendment should be repealed. It's sheer insanity.

>>515559675 (OP)
There is no debating you anymore, nigger.

>>515559675 (OP)
Define military-style assault weapons?
How are these different to "normal weapons"/"civilian weapons"?

>>515559675 (OP)
>So, explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons
The people are the standing army of America. Soldiers are just glorified mercenaries for bankers and their owners

>>515559951
"well regulated" does not mean what you think it means
"regulated" did not mean in 1776 what it means today, aka bureacratic legalese

>>515559675 (OP)
nobody actually gives a fuck about muh constitution. they only refer to it when it suits them.

>>515559675 (OP)
I’m gonna buy 4 more guns this weekend just because you made this thread

>>515560226
have you considered that without the second amendment americans might take it out on the rest of the world?
i say we should build a large wall around america and just throw weapons over it occasionally to sort of encourage them to settle their differences

>>515559951
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WORDS MEAN SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO EXERCISE YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS

>>515559675 (OP)
>TOTALLY ORGANIC ANTI-2A SPAM SUDDENLY APPEARS
The 2nd Amendment is one of the most vital human rights that all nations should adopt. Unfortunately, most are stupid totalitarian shit holes full of ignorant slaves that do not realize how important it is, and also do not understand that "banning guns" does not keep them away from criminals and also does not reduce violence and crime, but actually increases it due to law-abiding citizens being disarmed. It also allows government to increasingly oppress its' citizens as it does not fear any reprisal from a disarmed, docile populace.

All anti-2A faggots are traitors to the human race. That is the end of the discussion, which has really been settled since 1791.

>>515559675 (OP)
>In 1776, at the writing of the Second Amendment we had no organized military
The US Marine Corps was founded in 1775...

>>515559675 (OP)
>Being unarmed chattel is awesome
Fucking kek

>>515560412
>lives in an actual shit hole
>calls actually civilized countries shitholes

>>515559951
what's funny is that
>1 - there is no "common sense" in any of their idiotic gun control regulations which demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge about guns and hysterical anti-gun, anti-2A bias, and
>2 - if they could realize that their rhetoric ultimately leads to confiscation of all guns, and no real American will ever support this, they could actually gain support with some effective gun laws that worked with the 2A and the people instead of treating them all like psycho criminals and enemies

The left are corrupt to the core, always have been.

>>515560412
> but actually increases it due to law-abiding citizens being disarmed
How did Kirks weapons help him?

>>515560087
>"thank fucking god i don't live there"
no more ignorant and ironic words have ever been typed

>>515559675 (OP)
Military-style assault weapon means nothing ahmed.
If it looks modern it doesn't mean it's automatic, nor that it's the same model the military uses, nor that if an abiding citizen owns it then it becomes a danger.

If you're afraid of it doesn't mean people should be banned from owning it.

God made men, and Colt made them all equal, take your chance and demonstrate with facts your point, not with words

>>515560412
^this

>>515560226
>>515560379
It's funny when the slaves start sharing opinions about the real world. Do you guys even have a license to post such incendiary opinions? I think I'll let your local police know that you've been posting such inflammatory comments.

>>515559675 (OP)
There are laws against nonimmigrants and those illegally present owning guns. Only the people have the right to own guns. The Constitution only applies to the people, not those illegally present and non-immigrants.

The second amendment was composed by individuals who were incompetent, which is why it was not difficult for them to comprehend.

>>515560819
>this one incident means two centuries of data and thousands of facts are no longer valid!
tell us you're completely retarded without telling us

>>515560819
>one murder happened?
>i guess that invalidates every successful use of a firearm in a self defense scenario

Watch In Search Of The Second Amendment. It's free on YouTube. Don't spam garbage about a topic you do not undersfand.

>>515561136
>Do you guys even have a license to post such incendiary opinions?
Legally they aren't allowed to post here at all. Their nation has banned 4chan and is totally going to collect on that $20,000 a day fine they've been imposing on 4chan and kiwi farms for the past month.
LOL

>>515559675 (OP)
>In case you haven't realized it, the word "Militia" in the original text of Second Amendment is spelled with a capital "M". That means it is referring to only one Militia, not multiple loosely organized bands of people or individuals. In 1776, at the writing of the Second Amendment we had no organized military and everyone was a part of this one Milita. It's 2018 now. The armed forces have taken the place of the Militia and we no longer have a "Militia". As a result, the civilian ownership of assault rifles is based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution and the founders' views

As you point out yourself the founders defined "militia" as "every white man", thus every white man is entitled to all armaments he can afford.

>>515561383
Except theres 100 murders and 1 successful self defense situation

Low quality bait.

>>515559675 (OP)
>YOU HAVE TO DISARM RIGHT NOW GOYIM OR OUR MURDERS WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN TO YOU

>>515561635
KEK
It's funny that the UK are literally the leftover fucking loser afterbirth from America after all of the real men left.

>>515559675 (OP)
Majority of canons used in the War of Indipendence were owned by civilians.
Civilians owned battleships.
The original founding documents stated that the United States was to only have a standing army during times of war.
The founding fathers never intended for the government to be more armed than the populace.

>>515559675 (OP)
the 2nd amendment doesn't justify anything. it explicitly puts limits on government. the right to bear arms shall not be infringed by government. the musket was a standard issue military weapon at the time of the adoption of the constitution. puckle guns (fully automatic) and cannons were also in use at the time. the government does not have the power to put limits, restrictions, or infringe on the people's right to possess and carry these weapons. they do it anyway, but it's unconstitutional when they do.

here's a little glossary for the dim-witted-

1. definition of "militia" -
>S. Code § 246, the militia consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and under 45 years of age who are citizens of the United States. It is divided into two classes: the organized militia, which includes the National Guard and the Naval Militia, and the unorganized militia, which consists of all other able-bodied citizens who are not members of the organized militia. (that's everyone)
2. definition of "well-regulated" -
>The phrase "well-regulated" was used long before 1789 and referred to the property of something being in proper working order. It was not intended to imply extensive government control or bureaucratic oversight.
3. use of capital letters -
>The use of capital letters in the Constitution is a historical convention that reflects the drafting process and the authors' intent. During the eighteenth-century, it was common for drafters to capitalize nouns, similar to how Germans do today.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

>>515559951
>A well balanced breakfast is necessary to a good day, thus a man's access to eggs and milk must not be restricted.
Who has a right to the eggs, the man, or the breakfast?

>>515560087
A britfag will let you blowtorch his mother in front of him as long as you let him complain about America while you do it.

>>515560754
what is a common-sense gun law besides forbidding ownership to felons and nutjobs?
i think barring ALL FELONS is already too much, we shouldn't be barring non-violent felons from owning guns.

>>515559675 (OP)
The point of the militia was also a de facto ban on allowing the government to organize and maintain a standing army that does its bidding. The 'style' of weapons is irrelevant - "arms" includes all weapons without limitation, and twisted notions of safety are not a valid basis for depriving others of long-secured rights.

Just remember ARMS is not the same as FIREARMS. The latter is a statutory word-of-art. There is no statute (or law) that places any limitations upon Arms, and no license is required to buy or sell Arms.

>>515560190
>whatever I can prevent other men from taking from me
That's the definition of a right.

>Rights are for slaves
That's a privilege.
Rights are what you can demand by threat of violence.

>>515562221
>we shouldn't be barring non-violent felons from owning guns.

There is no lawful basis to ban anyone from keeping and bearing arms, but if said people agree that they are "firearms" then they base their claim "in the interests of interstate commerce".

>>515559675 (OP)
That makes a lot of sense. Militia just means the military.
Nobody seriously means that one person militias are a thing.

>>515560226
>>515560379
Civilian weapon ownership scales with less violent crime in every country on the planet when you look district by district and account for race.

>>515559675 (OP)
Those didn't exist when the constitution was made bro. Assault weapons are a meme.

>>515560232
These threads are always sort of bait-morale threads made by pro gun posters.

>>515559675 (OP)
>In case you haven't realized it, the word "Militia" in the original text of Second Amendment is spelled with a capital "M".
In case you haven’t realized it, the right is of the people (p or P). Kys faggot.

>>515559675 (OP)
There is no distinction between civilian and military in the constitution because there should not be such a distinction in society. It’s just that simple. The distinction is a product of the military industrial complex, which has no allegiance to any country, and sees the constitution as a burden. These are the exactly the people that the second amendment exists to protect the “free state” from.

>>515562221
This country was created by cop killers.

>>515559675 (OP)
> is spelled with a capital "M". That means it is referring to only one Militia
The made whatever Nouns that they wanted to capitalized back in the Eighteenth Century. There were no hard and fast Rules about what was capitalized and what was not. Sometimes it was done for Emphasis, but sometimes every Noun would be capitalized, like they are in modern German.

>>515562079
weird this dumb infographic is about a boondoggle when the Katlhoff repeater is real, saw service, and was an engineering marvel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater

>>515559675 (OP)
usc title 10 section 311 defines the militia as you nigger and as a military force, go fuck yourself eternally wrong btfo retard faggot nigger. furthermore us v miller in the 1930s the court upheld millers conviction on posession of sawed off shotty because such "was not a weapon of SUFFICIENT MILITARY UTILITY nor conducive to militia service"

eat shit and die faggot never ever ever god damn post again you faggot doomed nigger cocksucker bitch jew.

>>515559675 (OP)
>So, explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons?
Foreigner. No.

>Because it's quite obvious to me that it does not.
Then you already have your mind made up, and nothing I or anyone else will do or say can change that. So why make a post? Oh right, I know why.

>>515560754
Truly.

It’s impossible to do a land invasion of a country where virtually the entire population owns a gun or has immediate access to one. Every single building is a potential shooter, every field, every street, road. Impossible to have supply lines.

>>515563082
It's not weird at all, the kalthoff looks like a normal musket, the puckle gun looks like full auto grenade launcher. Context matters. It illustrates the point of the text much more clearly in an exaggerated fashion for impact and effect.

>>515562860
it was created by redcoat killers, different.

>>515563590
it's bad history because the puckle gun was horseshit
like 99% of infographics posted here, goddamn does this board love their shitty infographics

>>515562079
Yeah, just about all "second amendment" or "guns rights" type cases have been smoke and mirrors to reinforce the lie that people need permission slips from the government to exercise secured rights.

Keeping and bearing arms is a right so fundamental that they specifically included it in the Constitution; but as you know, the Constitution is not exhaustive. Just because something is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution doesn't mean it's not a God-given right of man that a valid government has a duty and obligation to secure.

They did the same thing with guns as they did with traveling.

FIREARMS = a commercial/statutory designation for certain classes of Arms that may be bought or sold using Federal Reserve Notes, or NOT lawful money. The are sold by entities that apply for a "Federal FIREARMS License". You cannot acquire arms from a FFL. You'd have to purchase them from a manufacturer with lawful money (12 USC 411).

DRIVING = a commercial act, operating a 'motor vehicle', exclusively for commercial gain. This means carrying people or property. It does not mean something like a truck used by a contractor for his trade - it means something like a bus, taxi, or tractor/trailer.

Too many people get stuck on the idea that they have to comply with statutes - which are both contractual and commercial, only applying to "persons" and not men or women (people). As long as you are not harming another man or woman, or depriving others of their rights, you can do what you want.

>>515559675 (OP)
It's quite obvious to me that you are a retarded faggot. Ignored.

>>515559675 (OP)
I also have this image saved because I have been looking for those hk style iron sights. they be rare and spensive

>>515559675 (OP)
WELL-REGULATED means well equipped and trained. Read the federalist papers

>>515559675 (OP)
why shouldnt people own militart style weapons
owning a weapon doesnt force you to kill people
you want to regulate means instead of the desires of evil
we are not the same and i am nobler more moral than you
i belive in making a responsible humanity

>>515563855
The effectiveness of the weapon isn't the point, you fucking autistic sperg.
The fact that you can't intuit the reasoning behind why that specific image was chosen is alarming.

>>515559675 (OP)
>military-style assault weapons

So you have no issue with the military having these weapons.

Reminder that the militaries around the world have killed more people than has civilians.

Tens of millions of people were killed in the 20th century by militaries.

However anon has no problem with the militaries killing people.

>>515559675 (OP)
>explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons
Explain to me how you justify not cutting your dick off to stop rape and child abuse. Leave dicking your wife to the professionals.

>>515559675 (OP)
James Madison made it explicitly clear that the wording was chosen for the express purpose that civilians would be both capable of serving the military, and rivalling it if necessary in the event of tyranny.

The Second Amendment is made and intended as a threat to the military, thus it guarantees citizens have access to similar weapons.

>>515563916
>DRIVING = a commercial act, operating a 'motor vehicle', exclusively for commercial gain
Retarded sovereign citizen bullshit, anon doesn't understand the law.
Ignore all of his posts.

>>515559675 (OP)
>. Look at Australia and the UK. They banned guns and...no more mass shootings. There is no reason that we cannot do the same just because some piece of paper says we can't.

They banned semi auto's here and had a massive gun buy back that cost many units of fiat currency, for the USA to try that would be impossibly expensive. Also it was the cheap Chinese semi auto's that were the target, they fired a 7.62 round and were as easy to operate as a .22. We couldn't afford the Yankee rifles.

>>515559675 (OP)
>That means it is referring to only one Militia, not multiple loosely organized bands of people or individuals.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights do not establish a formal militia. A militia was intended to be formed spontaneously, not as a permanent institution. A militia is formed from the people, ergo the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I'd call you an ESL retard but you probably command a better understanding of the English language than half of my countrymen.
>The time has come to stop this nonsense
Go to Hell.

>>515559675 (OP)
Militia literally means armed citizens, pick up a fucking dictionary, military versus militia.

>>515563855
>it's bad history because the puckle gun was horseshit
>like 99% of infographics posted here, goddamn does this board love their shitty infographics

You're coming at this from the angle that one man has authority over another, or that if some men gather together they can then declare themselves to have authority over all others. It doesn't work that way. God the Father is the only one who can grant a man or group of men authority over others without the consent of the other men.

The only applicable laws of men are found in Exodus 20 of the Bible, beyond that:
https://uscode.house.gov/browse/frontmatter/organiclaws

Codes, statues, regulations, rules, etc are not laws. These are all commercial by-laws that require some type of valid contractual nexus, where one agrees that they are a "person". These statutes generally define "person" as a "trade or business". For example, a US CITIZEN is regarded as a "trade or business". They do this so they can unlawfully expand congress' plenary powers over interstate commerce to just about all facets of life, and it is all a deception.

The proper response when accused is to DENY not just what they accuse you of, but all presumptions they make about you...i.e. that you are a person as their system regards it.

>>515559675 (OP)
The same retards keep using the same old, debunked arguments. Whether they're from Canada, Sweden, or France.

Let me explain in a way your little brain can understand.

A guy with a gun has the ability to defend himself, a guy without a gun doesn't. It's that simple. Are you retarded enough not to understand that?

Gun laws don't work because criminals don't follow the law.

The black market exists and is cheap depending on the location.

People don't need guns to kill, they can kill with knives or even stones.

>>515563719
Literally exactly the same. They just wear blue now.

>>515559675 (OP)
Amazing bait, 10/10.

>>515563855
>it's bad history because the puckle gun was horseshit
nigger it was literally legal for them to own entire batteries of cannons that could level a town. The modern equivalent would be howitzers.

>>515565112
Well that and Australia immediately became the burglary capital of the world shortly after.

>>515559675 (OP)
All able bodied men were considered Militia in most colonies.
The rifles these men had access to were the height of firearm technology at the time.

>>515564634
>in the event of tyranny
you are here being terrorized by our own government on a daily basis

>>515562860
>>515565225
Anon the 18th century equivalent of police would have been a local constabulary. Redcoats were British Marines.

>>515559675 (OP)
Fucking Swed cuckold faggot.Just a matter of time before you are enriched.

>>515565589
I'm not going to shoot people on your behalf, faggot.
Do it yourself.

>>515559675 (OP)
The point is when you have a corrupt government, the people have the capability of overthrowing it, rather than having no chance to defeat the military.

>>515560016
cute cherry picking
also you watching anime = you are a pedo
and HF in your shit country, where every 70 IQ nigger behind any corner can legally posess firearms xD must be a fun and cool atmosphere
at least you have those le ebin school door anti barrage locks etc that you train your kids to use in case of active shootings :D
I guess it's all worth it, so small dick fat truck owners can compensate and larp as alfas with their boom sticks

>>515559675 (OP)
A militia is intended to fight against fully equipped active military opponents when required. The colonial militia was pivotal in defeating the British in the Revolutionary War.

They are not for handing out bottled water to refugees, Muhammed.

>>515565601
The point is that the redcoats were the visible enforcers of the oppressive institution of the time, and that the police are that today.
It is a metaphor, not a literal equivalency of job description.

>>515559675 (OP)
Swedefag has made like a dozen "but why 2a" threads in the last hour.

>>515564659
>Retarded sovereign citizen bullshit, anon doesn't understand the law.
>Ignore all of his posts.

Found a disinfo agent. Translation of what he's telling you:
>Don't listen to this guy who actually knows what he's talking about. It's bad for business. Keep thinking you have to get permission from government to enjoy that which is your right.

And here's the reality, since he focused on driving vs traveling:

>18 U.S. Code § 31
>(6) Motor vehicle.—
>The term “motor vehicle” means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

>(10) Used for commercial purposes.—
>The term “used for commercial purposes” means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit.

Before some idiot says it doesn't apply at the state level - wrong. Federal statutes are always controlling when the state definition is conflicting or undefined per the supremacy clause, and criminal statutes apply for any "traffic stop" type of encounter, as they would intend to seize your body and property if you don't comply with their bogus DMV crap.

Also, all driver licenses are commercial.

>49 U.S. Code § 31301
>(6) “driver’s license” means a license issued by a State to an individual authorizing the individual to operate a motor vehicle on highways.

>(7) “employee” means an operator of a commercial motor vehicle (including an independent contractor when operating a commercial motor vehicle) who is employed by an employer.

>(8) “employer” means a person (including the United States Government, a State, or a political subdivision of a State) that owns or leases a commercial motor vehicle or assigns employees to operate a commercial motor vehicle.

>>515565796
thats why they have to create fake shootings duh

>>515565601
You fucking retard local guards have absolutely nothing in common with modern police, which anyone born before 100 years ago for all of human history would call a uniformed army of the state.

>>515564445
my point is the founders probably didn't even know about the puckle gun, if they did they concluded it was shit because it was such a spectacular fail
i won't go on just remember this board is filled with midwit gaslights who think infographics are a good way to distill information.

>>515565882
Gun ownership scales with lower violent crime rate

>>515565882
most of the niggers are felons and are violating the law by possessing firearms
eat my turds

>>515559675 (OP)
Could you try to have some idea what the fuck you are talking about before you post this irrelevant twaddle?

>>515560187
>sale of guns becomes illegal
>guns get taken away/voluntarily handed in
>the guns that arent voluntarily handed in and are used illegally are disposed of as and when they are discovered
>over time the amount of guns circulating gets less and less and shooting incidents go down correspondingly

its not exactly rocket science

>>515566789
ChatGPT disagrees, and cites studies in the following way:
>Gun ownership correlates with higher gun death rates generally

Numerous studies (e.g., from the Harvard School of Public Health, CDC, and RAND Corporation) show that higher rates of gun ownership are associated with higher rates of gun deaths (including homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings).

>>515559675 (OP)
and the jewish gun control stuff starts.

>>515566683
>my point is the founders probably didn't even know about the puckle gun
That also has nothing to do with why that particular weapon was chosen for the image.
It is not there to be a historically accurate image of a functional weapon that was adopted by a military.
It is there because it is big and scary looking and visibly mechanically complex in a way that a musket is not.
In order to understand how a Kalthoff repeater is different from a standard muzzle loading single shot musket you need to open it up and provide a description of how the mechanism works.
In order to understand the puckle gun you look at it and can see 'bullet wheel turns'
You have a crippling case of autism that forces you to be literal to the point of becoming non functional.

>>515559675 (OP)
>the word "Militia" in the original text of Second Amendment is spelled with a capital "M".

No, it is not. Get a life, looser.

>>515567235
half of this country will not consent to banning guns/making them illegal, nor should they, therein lies the problem
what we need is philosophy in general education and suspicious of the clearly insane (trannies) and the melanin enriched

>>515567475
>gun death rates = crime in general
Dumbass.

>>515567235
This is exactly how they eradicated illegal drugs. Works every time. You just outlaw it, then it all goes away.

>>515567235
So you're not anti-gun, you just want to have people with guns come take mine, right? Fuck off, dipshit, there are 400M guns in the US you will NEVER ban or take them.

captcha: wkw2A

>>515559675 (OP)
You can stop posting these worthless threads over and over.

>>515567549
this board is filled with infographics that are simply falsehoods and bad history. it suggests that a tripod-mounted machine gun used in war existed before it did.
i will not flinch from calling out bullshit; if you spend all your time here it's no wonder you get defensive about something that's obviously wrong. this whole board is, on average, wrong about almost everything.

>>515559675 (OP)
The entire point of the second amendment is literally to equip civilians with military-style weapons so they can fight the government if it becomes corrupt.

MFW fucking FLINTLOCK PISTOLS were the most advanced handguns available in 1791 xD

And in the year 2011+14 some fat 300-400lbs mouthbreather still insists on the pedo anime internet image board that the amendment should apply to the AR-15 :----D ebin

>>515568322
Just like how the founders never intended for gay black men to be able to vote, right?

>>515566683
>it was such a spectacular fail
What YouTuber gave you that expert opinion lmao

>>515559675 (OP)
Americans have an absolutely inalienable right to self-defense given to us by God, the 2nd Amendment only officially recognizes this right.
Non-Americans don't seem to understand that we basically have a quasi-religious holy right and duty to keep and bear arms. Trying to make us give up guns would be like trying to get Muslims to give up the Quran, or Catholics to stop taking communion, or getting Jews to stop doing circumcisions. Or an even better example: Sikhs and that dagger that they are required to wear by their faith.
We are never going to give up our guns, they are NEVER going away, it is pointless to even try to convince us. If you cold ask Charlie Kirk right now, I am sure even he would still agree 100%.

>>515559675 (OP)
Rights contingent on the actions of other people aren't rights.

>>515567475
>higher rates of gun deaths
I said violent crime rate you useless chatbot citing nigger faggot.

>>515568569
i dont use youtube to source information you stupid nigger.
there's a perfectly good wikipedia article that isn't editorially locked about the puckle gun see my original fucking post

>>515568132
>falsehoods and bad history
>guns at the time could fire more than one round per minute
>here is an example
I would love for you to explain how that is false.
I would also love for you to explain how it is that you are making such a huge deal about 'muh false history bad' while also calling the puckle gun a machine gun, it is not.
You also spend time here so saying that being here makes people wrong is you saying that your opinion is wrong because you spend time here.
You aren't making any sense, man, and you still refuse to acknowledge the intent of the illustration.
It's almost like you know you are wrong and failed to grasp the purpose of an illustration and now that you've been called out on it you must try as hard as you can to prove me wrong about literally anything at all no matter if it relates to the actual point at all, just to feel better about yourself.

>>515566856
mr. turd eater, could you at all see a possibility, that because your country has hands down more guns per capita than any other country said niggers will get their hands on guns quite easily? xD

for example here in glorious Finland it's pretty fuckin hard to get a hold of a firearm => very rare for a nignog to carry one + if they do, they'll get caught very quickly, because the default is not that everyone has guns everywhere all the time

>>515568014
Oh no I crossed one of the reddit approved "I don't have to think anymore" boundaries with my argument.

>>515568735
wat. who cares? you're only interested in crime, and not deaths? :D try breathing through your nose and think about that logic for a sec

>>515567475
Do those studies account for race?

>>515559675 (OP)
Are you the faggot who has been posting why even have guns?
To your point, since the government has tanks and jets and assault weapons
We need to defend ourselves yeah?
We will defend ourselves in kind, to keep the government in check.
If the government legitimately thinks it can take them, then it would already have done so.

>>515568569
Really it was a failure. The gun did nothing that other weapons didn't do better and they only made a half dozen or so of them, and the only time they were ever put onto a ship and used in combat they had no effect greater than more traditional weapons, at a vastly higher cost.

But again, none of that is related to why the big scary gun that is clearly mechanically more complex than a muzzle loader was chosen to illustrate the fact that faster shooting weapons existed at the time.

>>515568322
The second amendment covered the ownership of dozens of cannons firing 12-64 pound projectiles or an equal weight of shit, which needed thousands of pounds of explosives to operate.

>>515560018
There's also the fact that there are half a BILLION firearms in the US, and enough ammo stockpiled to kill every human being who has ever lived 11 times over.
Even if you somehow managed to get every single person to totally agree to get rid of them, and went door to door and searched every building, after decades you still wouldn't have put a dent in the number of guns out there.
About 30 years ago, Australia instituted strict gun control and the government confiscated or bought back as many guns as they could. And even today there are still lots of illegal guns floating around in Australia. And that's in a country that had much less of a gun culture than the US, and had fewer than 1/100th of the number of guns as the United States.

>>515569203
i literally never post here, i only came here today because i knew /pol/ would be having a field day on the news.
i understand perfectly well what you said. you said the puckle gun illutration is used because it looks like a scary machine gun. my point is the puckle gun was a boondoggle, there is no evidence of it's use, it was demonstrated once, your infographic implies otherwise which makes it a bad infographic like 99% of infographics because it has absolutely no bearing in reality.
stop using infographics, stop being wrong, stop contributing to the stupidity of the internet in general.

>>515569856
And this is comparable to a hand gun capable of killing about 1 person per second 30 times in a row upto some 100-300 yards away and after reloading, rinse and repeat? :D

>>515565355
I think it's wrong to see Australia through the American lense as far as guns go, we had a completely different view of them, they were sports equipment here, not some kind of symbol of rebellion, we were on good terms with our government. Rifles used to lay about people's houses like old golf clubs and cricket bats mostly, we have no niggers here, no CIA running experiments on vast sections of the population either.

>>515559675 (OP)
>let's keep dancing around "shall not be infringed" like its some kind of but scary secret

>>515559675 (OP)
Mind your own country's business you troon.

>>515568924
nah post your argument here.
It was a perfectly serviceable weapon, that would fulfil its role fine.

>>515569721
So it's a good weapon that costs too much.

>>515559675 (OP)
Fuck off swede kike. Not your country not your problem you massive faggot.

>>515559675 (OP)
>word militia
Read the Federaliat Papers and the intent and definitions become clear.

>>515570550
Damn you americans are infantile :D Lose a very basic argument fall back to the most simple 60 IQ ape-tier argument fallacies xD

>>515570098
>my point is the puckle gun was a boondoggle
that has nothing to do with the conversation though, and you are acting as if it being a failure invalidates the concept.
>your infographic implies otherwise
>your
And no, it does not, it states that there were weapons that could fire more than one round per minute, and shows an example.
YOU are inferring things that are not being implied in any way.

>>515559675 (OP)
what weapons do you think are sufficient to keep a tyrannical government in check or if we have to 1776 this bitch again?

imagine rolling up to the preschool with one of these motherfuckers the carnage would be incredible

>>515559675 (OP)
Sorry jamal, you just killed the last guy interested in debating you.

>>515560087
True. Any bandit that can perch on a rooftop, and shoot anyone quite freely is a dysfunctional state.

>>515559675 (OP)
Sorry, I don't talk to retards.
>Revolutionary war had private battleships, cannons, militias, mercenarys, and repeating firearms

>>515571035
BTW why do you guys keep yapping about "resisting a tyrannical government".

Can't you see what's going on around you? Your orange leader is not even giving you guys health care, and your purchasing power is diminishing year by year.

Why is nobody resisting anything?

>>515570791
fuck off you hypocrite. Finnish people don't enjoy foreigners discussing their politics like they have a stake in it so save your bullshit.

>>515560633
your country is an authoritarian dystopia where you get arrested for not having a tv watching loicense

>>515570403
>So it's a good weapon that costs too much.
No, at best it was roughly equal in terms of maximum potential rate of fire with average weapons of the time, but it was very unreliable and prone to failure, and not nearly as fast as the highest rate of fire weapons available.
The gun the other guy keeps screeching about being so much better historically could fire 6 times as fast for example.
But again, it looked like a normal musket, and the point of the illustration is to have something that is instantly recognizable as being not a slow clunky muzzle loading musket.

>>515559675 (OP)
Op is a female.

>>515571564
d&c kike fuck you. Mossad killed Kirk and Israel will pay.

>>515559675 (OP)
made this earlier on /k/ weapons and got only butthurt slop from yanks. my take is that 98% of the population will not be able to access level 5 fire arms which are those heavy ones. semi-automatic at max with a low caliber for civilians unless youre a trained mofo with 12 certificates

yanks get butthurt, kek. gibbbbbbs me my ar20 at wallmart 9milli bru for those scarry nignogs

all fucking yanks have to fucking hang

>>515571596
>Finnish people don't enjoy foreigners discussing their politics
According to who? Nobody ever discusses our politics, so how would you know that? You dumb fuck, fattie :D

>>515559675 (OP)
Thats why you need to read the Federalist papers before you embarress yourself like this.

>>515571839
So what you're just trying to make everyone hate you? Why? Hormone therapy fucking with your impulse control?

is america third-world or need we invent a different term?

>>515559675 (OP)
America was never intended to be a police state with a clear divide between law enforcement and civilians. Law and order was supposed to be provided by a well-regulated volunteer militia of armed citizens.

kike shills on a rampage sitewide confirm Mossad killed Kirk.

>>515571564
Forcing everyone to pay for everyone else’s healthcare would be the act of a tyrannical government.

>>515571780
>As of 2024, approximately 1,033 individuals in Finland identify as Jewish.

So uhm *cough* yeeeeah about that; we have around 0.02% Jews in this country. So that "kike" insult is not super good. Nice try tho :thumb-up:

>>515559675 (OP)
>Posting about USA Second Amendment
>Not a USA flag

No one cares what you think.
Bye, retard.

>>515572096
You're not Bruce. Go back to whatever shithole you came from, parasite.

>>515559675 (OP)
how can it be obvious when you have to do Simone Biles level mental gymnastics to come to a conclusion?

Lets review

>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

>A well regulated Militia,
This does not say 'the militia, 'our militia' or any rhetorical framing that would denote a specific militia. Its 'a Militia' which is loosely defined as
>military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency

The armed forces cannot replace a militia as they themselves are not a militia. Notably the only words modifying the type of militia define it as a well regulated one. Given the context and time period of writing it is understood that this means 'well provisioned' rather than well controlled or limited.

>being necessary to the security of a free State.

Why do we need a Militia? Because it is necessary to the security of a free state. we cannot have a free state without the well provisioned Militia.

>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The right of who to do what? is the most important question. its the right of the people to not only keep, but also bare arms. It also lays out what cannot happen to this right. It cannot be infringed upon.

It literally doesn't matter what you want. until this amendment is overruled by a new amendment, the federal government doesn't posses the power to limit the right of the people to keep and bare arms.

Next time you think about the second amendment, try and think about it like this:

>"Because a well-trained citizen military force is necessary to keep a free country secure, the government cannot violate the people's right to own and carry weapons.

>>515572191
The government is forcing you to pay for boomer healthcare and social security.

>>515571986
What hormone therapy. Wtf. Are you okay mate?

>>515572280
Why are you acting like this? Is it a manic episode? What do you gain from being such an asshole?

>>515572305
calm down mate maybe take a walk around the block

>>515571807
>semi-automatic at max with a low caliber for civilians unless youre a trained mofo with 12 certificates
AR-15s are semi-automatic rifles that shoot one of the smallest caliber bullets ever used commercially.
Your stance is that anyone who doesn't have training and 12 certificates should only have access to this small caliber semi-auto weapon?

>>515572191
Yep, Social Security and Medicare need to be cut off completely. Boomers - the wealthiest generation in human history - should not be allowed to steal 7.5% of my earnings in order to pad their retirement fund.

>>515559675 (OP)
Why are Nordics and Germans such limp-dicked faggots? Where is that ferocity of the Goths, Vikings, SS, and Wehrmacht? No wonder Why Europa has been conquered by mudshits

>>515566683
The Founding Fathers were smart guys and could see the technological advances of the industrial revolution that was just starting.
And the guns of today are still fairly simple and haven't really changed that much since that period. You still are essentially just initiating a small explosion of gunpowder in a confined area at one end of a barrel to send a dense metal projectile out the other end. All the technological development is just improving that process by allowing you to repeat it more rapidly, or send the projectile faster or more accurately. And it's all fairly simple mechanical operation other than rare meme guns.
You could take a modern AR-15 back to Thomas Jefferson's day and show it to him, and he would totally be able to understand how it works, and he would think it is the coolest fucking thing he had ever seen and want you to send back as many more of them as you possibly could.
Compare that to the first Amendment. No one thinks the first amendment shouldn't apply to the internet because the founders wouldn't have envisioned it. The changes in terms of how people are able to communicate have gone through orders of magnitude more exponential change compared to how much firearms changed over the same period. Good luck trying to explain the internet to Jefferson. People wouldn't really even start to figure out and start practically using electricity until the 1840s.

>>515559675 (OP)
Well you see, it's really simple Sweden. You're a shill and everything you just said is completely retarded and wrong. Hope that helps.

>>515572404
The only way Sweden will ever be a real country again is if you start shooting niggers and sandniggers in the streets. Why havent you? TWO MORE WEEKS!!!! I AM VERY SMART AND NOT JEWISH!!!

>>515572472
kill yourself cockroach

>>515572191
What do you think insurance companies do, anon?
You give them money every month, do they give you services equal to that money every month?

>>515572191
Ah, right, sorry I forgot.

But you happily pay the miracle wannabe space boy from South Africa >$20B for his magical exploding Mars rockets? :D Yep, nothing tyrannical going on there, probably

>>515572602
This american agrees with me >>515572500

>>515572472
What do you hate most about nonwhites?

>>515571564
so you think that taking the guns away is going to help keep government in line....or?
whats your line of thinking here

>>515559675 (OP)
It all works out just fine if you simply reclassify blacks as non humans.
Take the guns away from them. No more gun deaths.

>>515572796
I'm not listening to your arguments you fuck I just want you to go away. Fuck you. You are not white. Kill yourself.

>>515559675 (OP)
>swedefag
English isn't your native language, it's ok, I'll explain since you don't have the ability to understand it yourself.

Full Text: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Militia is a proper noun, you're correct, but in 1776 this was a defined term, that being "free able-bodied white male citizen between the ages of 18 and 45"

This Militia is not "gone" and has only widened to mean all free and able-bodied citizens. So you are categorically wrong because "Militia" quite literally described all individuals that met the above criteria.

REGARDLESS, that clause: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is not a constraint or requirement on any right being afforded. It is a clause of justification, the "why" of the Amendment.

The actual right being granted, is described in the clause: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The only constraint put on the right to keep and bear Arms, is that it "shall not be infringed."

>tl;dr swedefag can't read English, no surprise.

>>515572819
on chinese new year my neighbour brings us dumplings that are a bit too salty. dunno if it qualifies as hate

>>515572975
>tl;dr swedefag can't read English, no surprise.
its probably a lightbulb head or some other type of shit

>>515559675 (OP)
>military-style assault weapons

>>515573116
you are bad at this

Mossad killed Kirk and Israel must pay.

>>515572447
Wdym? You literally cry in every other post that nobody outside of your country is allowed to criticize your country.

And your counter arguments are on the level of
>"fuck off kike"
>we dont have jews in this country
>"why are you so mean?? hormones? are you having a mental episode???"

>>515572571
saved, have an example of "well regulated" being used around the time the Bill of Rights was written, from one Army boss to another, freely available from the Library of Congress. Well regulated meant well equipped, well supplied and well trained

>>515559675 (OP)
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
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LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
SELL FEAR BUY FREEDOM

LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
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this well regulated militia should regulate their weight. it would make them more effective

>>515573309
I agree with this though

>>515559675 (OP)
>explain to me
Why? You already lost the gun control battle. We're at a certain point where in law, it's clear they are legal. It's already been justified. Now, you don't have any power at all, you can't take the guns and your side's been losing every court battle for decades. You can't and won't do SHIT.

Also picking a Swedish meme flag for this is especially bad form, Americans don't like it when irrelevant faggot countries peep up on issues that don't concern them. I do realize you're just a bot / troll though. But this also makes me less likely to support any gun control measure - your side is so broke and out of gas that bots and AI form the bulk of your online support these days now that USAID's gone lol. It's poor form.

>>515561532
>Watch In Search Of The Second Amendment. It's free on YouTube. Don't spam garbage about a topic you do not undersfand.
kleck research is always good to throw in there.

>>515564463
>However anon has no problem with the militaries killing people.
in order for a jewish harvest to have maximum dead, the militaries need free reign.

>>515559801
>>515559834
First and second post best post fuck up and his glowing bullshit

>>515559675 (OP)
>"military style"
So we're the style police now?

>>515572836
Nono, I'm making the exact opposite point: as owning guns clearly does not lead to any one of you resisting your government, nor preventing our European blonde women from getting stabbed on your trains, nor your own MAGA mouthpieces getting shot
->
why not get rid of the guns? Since they mostly just cause school shootings + nigga rage deaths down there.

What is the real reason people are so keen on keeping their guns? To me it seems like just an ego thing, just like the super big trucks.

I mean don't get me wrong, fun cars and boom sticks are somewhat fun every now and then, but I'd sure as hell not want all my retarded neighbours to own them :D

>>515559675 (OP)
Yeah look at the 2 countries literally falling apart to the extent that they are barely even countries anymore. The problem isn’t the gun, it’s the lunatic tranny terrorist holding it. Someone could use the same gun that killed Charlie Kirk to save lives but instead it ended up with someone who is going to take one.

>>515573613
Zero accountability makes you look Indian. You are acting like a gigantic faggot and so nobody with anything really creative or interesting is going to take the time to respond to you. You sound manic but thats just a side observation. The bigger problem is that you're acting like a dick not actually trying to have a conversation. If you can't tell the difference you probably are Indian/Paki.

>assault rifles are weapons of war designed only kill people!

So why are you OK with the police having them?

>>515559675 (OP)
This thread again by the samefagging gungrabber shill

>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
>keep and bear Arms

Doesn't even specify what kind of arms, and because I can. Just study the founding of the united states In the mean time I got your arms right here, now fuck off

OP can you explain to me how non-whites are even considered human? This seems plainly obvious to me but for some reason 'Finnish' "people" seem to struggle with the concept?

>>515570145
So to be clear you're fine with people owning fifty cannons that can each depopulate a building, enough explosives to level a small town, dozens of single shot pistols and rifles fifteen shot superimposed muskets, ten shot air rifles that can punch through a man's skull, revolving rifles and light cannons, superimposed volley guns with hundreds of rounds that fire one after another after a single ignition, and walking around armed with these however they want, but semiautomatic pistols that's too scary.

>>515574759
bro don't talk to it like its people

>>515574230
>owning guns clearly does not lead to any one of you resisting your government
Except that it has.
>nor preventing our European blonde women from getting stabbed on your trains
This has happened as well...
A deterrent doesn't need to be employed 100% of the time with 100% efficiency in order to justify the existence of it.

>>515572686
I understand that, and Obamacare attempting to force people to use a private market was tyrannical. Lots of what our government does is unconstitutional, if not tyrannical. The fourth amendment had been completely ass raped with the patriot act and other horrible rulings on surveillance with new technologies. Hate crimes, or enhancements on crimes due to motivation should not exist. Wartime rationing, WWI and WWII led to horrible rulings giving the government the power to tell you whether or not you are allowed to produce something, for sale or personal use, if it is sold, by you or anyone else, across state lines. A government formed to preserve the rights of the people who elect it has long ago died and been replaced with a government that works to bypass or remove as many rights as it can. It is broken.

>>515574759
Yes. That's how it is in my country and it seems to work just fine. I mean you can fill your apartment with fertilizers and blow up the whole building if you want.

I have no idea what the psychological mechanism between that and shooting kids in a school with an assault rifle is; but the latter is some 100-1000x more likely to happen.

So yea I'm fine with the scenario you typed out. But I wouldn't be fine with everyone in the local train carrying for example pistols. That'd suck a lot.

>>515559675 (OP)
Why do Swedes use grenades instead of guns?

>>515573930
>this well regulated militia should regulate their weight. it would make them more effective
it is embarrassing to not be fit.
jewish goyslop is brutal.
but running around with tacticool gear and being a fucking pig is lame.
this is probably the minimum cut off for being able to operate in a warzone:

- be able to walk 10 miles in a day carrying 50 lbs of gear without injury
- be able to sprint 100 meters in full kit and reasonably recover
- able to fight or operate for 12-18 hours in a day with limited food/rest.
- if you cant walk, climb stairs, or move between cover without gassing out thats a liability
- carry own rifle, armor, ammo, water, and pack ~ 60 lbs
- able to drag/carry a wounded buddy 50 meters to safety
- able to climb through windows, up stairs, over rubble with gear on
- able to handle weapon safely under fatigue (no negligent discharges), able to shoot the broad side of a barn while gassed/exhausted
- balance and control on rubble, stairs, and uneven footing, cant be rolling ankles on basic obstacles
- be able to mentally persevere and not quit under exhaustion, chaos, or fear.
- 2-mile run - under 20 minutes
- push-ups - 30
-12-mile ruck (50 lbs) - under 3 hours is considered passable

being a fat fucking pig eating fast food means you are simply canon fodder or a liability in an urban war

I keep a 9mm CZ by my desk to cover front door shenanigans during the day. At night there is a 9mm full size with light and red dot in case I have to go investigate noises outside. Also next to my bed is an ar-15 pistol in .300 blk in case of multiple intruders or bigfoot. Tell me again why you want white people to go commit suicide by cop? I am so cozy here at home.

>>515574759
Hell I wish we all had nukes. Would be one hell of a 4th of july

>>515559675 (OP)
That particular configuration requires a much longer vetting process. Also, you're a cuck

>>515575188
you are an idiot. please go away and don't post here again you lower site quality

>>515575109
IDK if you're trolling or not. But are you comparing some red neck protecting a handful of his cows to all your schools having to have had some custom anti barricade locks made so that the kids there do not get shot in case of an active shooter?

>>515575419
the moron just stated he is actually fine with all firearms excepting semi-auto handguns and "assault rifles". op is a moron not worth talking to. time to abandon thread and let it die. bye bye faggot OP

>>515575192
>more than one mass grenading a day in stockholm
Someone is trying to compete with Chicago.

>>515559675 (OP)
>Swede posts obvious bait
>200+ replies
This is why I converted to Judaism.
You are all literally unthinking beasts.

>>515575290
Jesus you sound like a fucking pussy xD

Lemme guess: in a hand to hand combat situation you'd suck ass? You're fragile + fat, right?

My god women's vaginas must dry up in a 10 mile radius when you start listing your gun inventory audibly IRL :D fuck me.. I had a laugh :D

>>515575561
No?
You said nobody uses guns to stand up to the tyranny of the government.
I provided a modern example of that very thing happening.
School security has nothing to do with it.

>>515559675 (OP)
>our nation
You are not part of this nation, STFU and KYS like.

>>515576034
Lemme try to explain this more slowly:

Due to 2nd amendment you have shitloads of gun -> due to shitloads of guns you need to teach your children how to barricade class room doors so that they do not get shot during school day.

In no other country in the whole world do kids need to learn door barricading skills.

So you defending said 2nd amendment with muh redneck cowboy saving a few cows is not really comparable to your school problems, right?

Are you following the logic?

The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that "the militia" is every single warm body in the society at large.
I disagree with this interpretation. I think we'd be far better off if we had strong militias.

That way we could optimize gun rights to maximize safety, while still having organized institutions providing for our defense against the government. These militias would train, do drills, and bring the community together. Because they are so well disciplined, they would be afforded the privilege of owning a higher caliber of weaponry, including actual military hardware such as tanks/RPG's/drones.
This solution would give young men a purpose, and bring communities together in a way that frees them from central federal control to some degree.

The NRA right now is opposing things like background checks, registration, and other policies that directly contribute to mass shootings. They are doing this because they believe any undue restriction on civilian firearm ownership represents tyranny, and the price of blood is worth it. But what if you didn't have to choose? What if you could implement reasonable restrictions, while still furnishing defense against a rogue state through community militias?

>>515576462
Guns are banned in schools. If teachers where armed the cowards that shoot children would not target schools.

>>515576462
>due to shitloads of guns you need to teach your children how to barricade class room doors so that they do not get shot during school day.
No, due to lunatics we have to do that.
Nations with far lower rates of gun ownership have mass shootings as well.

>>515574230
do you know what a deterrent is?
the nig knew no one was going to fuck with him from stabbing her
but if everyone around him was straped like in Texas?
i doubt it would have happened

>why not get rid of the guns?
you cannot un-do this and then the government has ALLL the power
>Since they mostly just cause school shootings + nigga rage deaths down there
the criminals arent going to give up their guns because they're told too
so you'll leave honest people disarmed
in general you cannot let the few ruin it for the majority because that fucks us all over

>>515565882
>Anon quotes 2nd amendment
>Saars, that is cherry picking
Lol, LMAO even

>>515559675 (OP)
>we
>Swedish flag
Blow it out your ass europoor

>>515576527
>What if you could implement reasonable restrictions
If you ban niggers from owning guns the rate of mass shooting in this nation would drop by roughly 900%

>>515576527
Not a bad idea, all probably pointless though so long as the family unit has been destroyed and cultural rot is being promoted. Regardless, 2A gives no rights, they aren’t the governments to give, it obligates the government not to fuck with a human right.

>>515575188
I live in a state were we have what is known as constitution concealed carry. No permits required. I expect everyone to be carrying a concealed firearm. I do so most everywhere I go. No one seems bothered by this, I have never seen or been involved in any sort of gun violence. So it would seem to work pretty well in my country. Different strokes for different folks. You sound like a pussy, being scared of the possibility of someone with a firearm in a public setting. You're gonna die, get used to that fact

>>515571725
>but it was very unreliable and prone to failure,
According to who

>No, at best it was roughly equal in terms of maximum potential rate of fire with average weapons of the time
And those were good weapons definitionally.

>>515577481
>If you ban niggers from owning guns the rate of mass shooting in this nation would drop by roughly 900%
To be perfectly honest with you, the demographic of the mass shooters doesn't strictly follow a racial pattern, or an ideological pattern. The thing that unites them all is mental illness and the craving of notoriety.

>>515559675 (OP)
All the times Europe has been terrorized by tyranny and you still can't figure it out?

>>515559675 (OP)
>Shall not be infringed
It literally says it right there if you bothered to read it.

>>515571807
>low caliber
Caliber is how wide the bullet is you retard. Every military on the planet has a main arm in a low caliber.

>>515577631
>According to who
Willbanks, James H. (2004). Machine Guns: An Illustrated History of Their Impact. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 1-85109-480-6

So explain to me why we don't just murder every swede and let the Muslims have it?
I've never met a swede I didn't want to beat to death.

How the fuck have the Norwegians and Finns not just exterminated you faggots and partitioned the land between them?

>>515577498
>it obligates the government not to fuck with a human right.
I simply believe that this is the best way for us, the people, to reasonably oppose the government. In a way that's logical and fair.

The reason I believe, is because if you study warfare "organization" is at a premium on the battlefield. An organized fighting force will cleave through a disorganized one like a knife through butter. 100 organized men will fight like 100,000 disorganized men.
I think these militias, if well organized, would pose an actual credible threat against the federal government. Despite the mass civilian gun ownership we have today, I don't think our population poses a serious legitimate threat to the feds. We are simply not organized.

>>515572686
>Force

>>515565882
Actually I take it back.
Just abort every scandinavian.

>>515577682
>the demographic of the mass shooters doesn't strictly follow a racial pattern
It does. It's almost all black gangbangers engaged in turf wars with other black gangbangers.

>>515559951
we are well regulated
and decentralized
and autonomous
and our marching orders come from the fiduciary who with a few exceptions has demanded we remain peaceful

>>515559675 (OP)
>In 1776, at the writing of the Second Amendment
opinion discarded

>>515578045
You are legally required to have insurance in order to drive.
What is that if not force?

>>515559675 (OP)
This is a pajeet. He's been spamming these type of threads all day.

To all the real eurocucks confused about the 2A, "well-regulated militia" in 1790 meant that civilians get to own cannons, and they did. There were many towns with local regulations on when and how artillery could be fired. The 2A has already been completely gutted. They have already taken everything they could, without striking the words from the Constitution.

>>515559675 (OP)
>assault weapons
Made-up word that doesn't mean anything.

Your pic looks like a PCC (pistol caliber carbine), which are explicitly designed for having fun at the shooting range with no military or other real-world uses.

>>515567475
>gun ownership are associated with higher rates of gun deaths
But is there any proof it reduces violence?
Does it reduce murder?
Does it make include suicide as gun death?
Does it account for [SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS]?

The studies it's citing are always careful about how they phrase this.
"Gun" regulation reduces "Gun" deaths.
And they will declare that up and down with confidence. But they are never able to draw a correlation with actual safety.

The real truth is that consistently, the biggest correlation with violence short of economic stratification is *ahem* NIGGERS
But good luck getting ChatGPT to even touch that topic properly.
The problem with

>>515559675 (OP)
>So, explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons? Because it's quite obvious to me that it does not.
That makes you a retard. US Citizenry is, under law, the State and the lawful military. Most of the artillery used during the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 were privately owned, as were the rifles of the time. If you had a fucking warship in the day, the Navy would have been happy to hire you.
>It's 2018 now.
You've been using this copypasta this long?
>The armed forces have taken the place of the Militia and we no longer have a "Militia".
No. Every able bodied male citizen is the Militia. Again, also the State. By law.

>>515559675 (OP)
Eurofags struggle with the concept of natural rights the way niggers struggle with the concept of per capita.

>>515559675 (OP)
>The time has come to stop this nonsense and keep our nation safe
>our nation
>that flag

>>515567235
uh huh
this is actually what happens, not speculation

>>515559675 (OP)
>Look at Australia and the UK
Australia put it's own people in concentration camps during the rona and the UK is starting to look almost as bad as airstrip 1.
Shut the fuck up

>>515570145
It's meant to be.
2nd amendment was meant to scale with military power. That's why it mentions militias.

>>515575795
Cope. The reason you converted to Judaism is because, even though Jews are biological, there are many like you, outsiders who convert and marry Jews, since people like you are closer in type to that unique expression of human beings, the Jewish expression. You have the stereotypical characteristics of Jews, so it is normal and expected that you have become one.

>>515559675 (OP)
mi·li·tia
[məˈliSHə]
noun
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency

The point of the Second Amendment is for civilians to be able to engage in armed combat.

>>515575561
During the founding of this country, there were actual laws on the book requiring school boys to bring their rifles to school to provide defense against Indian raids. If only they could protect themselves from fucking trannies these days.

>>515567235
>If you hold a gun and I hold a gun then we can talk about the law.
>If you hold a knife and I hold a knife then we can talk about the rules.
>If you come empty handed and I come empty handed, we can talk about reason.
>But if you have a gun and I only hold a knife then the truth lies in your hands.
>If you hold a gun and I have nothing, then what you hold isn’t just a weapon, it’s my life
You can choose to be disarmed, Anon.

>>515574230
>Confuses preconditions to effective resistance with causes of resistance
>"If preconditions to effective resistance don't cause resistance on their own, everyone should get rid of them!"

>>515578858
Those men selected have an intrinsic loyalty to the community and a will to defend the community. You should only select people like that to line up in your militia. It's not going to be random drunks and hobos, or crazy people. There needs to be a process for vetting them.

>>515575188
>shooting kids in a school with an assault rifle
Has never happened in US history.

>I'm fine with the scenario you typed out. But I wouldn't be fine with everyone in the local train carrying for example pistols. That'd suck a lot.
90% of gun murders involve less than four shots, and people can (and did) carry four musket pistols at once.

>>515559675 (OP)
>So, explain to me how the Second Amendment justifies civilian ownership of military-style assault weapons?
No, you’re not American.
>Because it's quite obvious to me that it does not.
Foreign opinion discarded.

>>515575962
>Eew icky eww no sex ewwwwww
This is the most feminine "argument" you've made yet.

>>515576462
Outside of cities (where all of us live) the gun violence rate in the United States is below the European average.

>>515559675 (OP)
>The armed forces have taken the place of the Militia and we no longer have a "Militia". As a result, the civilian ownership of assault rifles is based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution and the founders' views.
Exactly. The a standing Army is not explicitly allowed in the constitution and we have only had one since the Civil War. I wonder how they keep getting involved in World Wars? Looks like the founding fathers were thinking ahead with the 2nd Amendment.

>>515567235
LMAO, LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOUR COUNTRY.
There is no doubt in my mind that the same will happen to mine if we allow it.

>>515576527
>What if you could implement reasonable restrictions, while still furnishing defense against a rogue state through community militias?
There are not reasonable restrictions on man portable weapons. None exist, conceptually.

>>515568132
You are not convincing us
and we are not convincing you
If you are making an emotional argument a moral argument, that's a trap - nobody is going to change your morals, neither are you, nor are we
If you want to be objective, then present data, we'll present data, we can compare data, and work objectively from there
>Ben Shapiro does this moral argument trap. I believe life begins at conception, therefore abortion is murder.
>ok then, we can get you to define conception
>and conception will always be the same state
>there's nothing to argue
>we can say why conception is not the state you believe it is
>but you'll simply disagree
>and that's ok
>agree to disagree
It's a waste of time framework dweeb, artists, and jews use on inexperienced debaters to look smart. I'm sure that's not what you're doing or your intention here, Anon, just pointing out that's most often how these 2A debates go.

>>515570174
And then your government threw your citizens into camps for questioning the covid narrative.

>>515560754
How exactly does the pro-gun control rhetoric lead to confiscation of all guns? This is what I've been hearing for ages and whenever I ask for details it's always
>it's an obvious slippery slope you idiot
but when I tell you fuckers lowering taxes for the rich is a slippery slope too you act like it's an alien concept

>>515580113
>There are not reasonable restrictions on man portable weapons
But we can't have every man in society owning a rocket launcher. But through a community militia which had proper procedures and due diligence, you could.
I think this is a reasonable way for communities to organize against a rogue state. It's also a way of bringing communities together and giving young men a purpose sorely lacking in today's society.

>>515578039
Absolutely on the organization, but we are also placated. Our poor class has an obesity problem. Why risk comfy?

It's much easier to control ammunition.

>>515579156
If your process for vetting them determines that they aren't mentally fit to defend themselves, they shouldn't be on the streets to begin with.

>>515578591
All of that shit happens much more frequently in the US than it does here

>>515568132
America regulates its firearms, and many rights.
Rights are actually not rights here
>they are privileges, because they can be taken away
Felons lost the RIGHT to vote
>hm. Thought rights were unalienable...
Felons lose the RIGHT to own a firearm.
>there goes another right.. could have sworn these weren't privileges..
You have a right to privacy, unless you're under arrest, or there is "reasonable suspicion"
>drug dog takes a hidden command from an officer to "hit" on "drugs". Say hello to a lengthy court battle, your car torn apart, impounded, being arrested, booked, bailed, all to eventually find out you were innocent
There are many ways around "RIGHTs"
Why would we voluntarily give up Any at that point?
But that's not the point I'm trying to make.
How you may go about getting guns "banned", how you might disarm the populace, unsure what you want, if it's to convince us, or to simply to enforce what you understand is best
cont.

>>515580744
Well, the process would be at a community level. The militia would be another aspect of the community just like the fire department and the water system....etc.
It would be up to the community to prove to the court that they have proper procedures in place to prevent a bad incident, and then they should be permitted to have actual military-tier weaponry. Like drones and tanks and stuff. The allowance they get is in direct proportion to what is reasonable given the procedures they have in place.

Shut up 3rdie. Your not changing shit Captain Euro-cu ck from your posed & doomed Europe.
How about focusing on the rape gangs in Europe instead of telling us how to live. Like a fucking 3rdie hoping we'll change our ways here so it'll also be open rape season here. Have fun getting droned in Ukraine retard.

>>515570174
My point stands, though.
The fact is that your government has effectively stripped your citizens of the right to protect themselves.

>>515577682
>Mass shooters
A thousand people get killed in a month and you sleep but four get killed in an hour and you freak out.

Mass shootings are a statistical irrelevancy a fraction of a fraction. Take out the brown mass shooters and it becomes even more of an irrelevancy.
I do not fucking care what happens to 1/100,000 people.

>>515577939
Show me his test. Or a record of his test. Or the rest he was referring to.

1000 rounds is the usual minimum standard.

>>515578340
So your argument is that greater robbery isn't wrong because you've been robbed on a smaller scale before?

>>515581273
"mass" is also a dumb term.
If you can easily count them it's not a "mass".
4 people walk down the road nobody says "there is a mass of people here".

"mass shooter" should be reserved for 20+ killed.
20 is a mass, 4 dead bodies isn't even a pile.

>>515566151
Why can't y'all provide a single example of your bullshit winning in court then?

>>515581065
Outside the cities the US has a below average rate of violent crime compared to Europe. None of us care what happens in a city.

>>515580515
>But we can't have every man in society owning a rocket launcher
We allowed every man in society to own dynamite and somehow we survived and thrived.

>>515576527
No. Any restriction can and will be used to remove rights from any that opposed the government.
By limiting ownership to a "privileged" class you directly impose tyranny.
KYS faggot.

>>515580737
>It's much easier to control ammunition.
What if I buy 10k rounds and claim I used them all at the range but in reality I only shot 5k and sold the rest via Telegram?

>>515579156
Any vetting process would weed out those likely to oppose the government.

America was created by cop killers.

>>515581101
You might go about disarming the populace via regulation.
As an example, you may ask an Anon here:
>Should violent offenders have guns?
No, probably not
>How about background checks fir violent offenders to ensure violent offenders can't buy firearms
That might be agreeable
Now
Slippery Slope it
>How about mentally unstable people? Should the schizophrenic or Bipolar (manic) or depressive diagnosed people, should they be allowed to own firearms? (provide data to make a compelling point shizo suicide rate -murder rate, Manic people murder rate suicide rate, Depressed people suicide and murder rate, etc.)
Hm. Maybe they shouldn't. Seems risky
>Do you think people with severe body dysmorphia, who physically alter their gender, (trannies), are they mentally stable?
No way
>They are mentay unstable?
Definitely
>Would you agree mentally unstable people should be regulated from owning firearms?
Trannies should not own firearms, I agree.
Start down this slippery slope,
knowing Rights are actually only Privileges
Many folks will agree with you
But, Criminals will still get guns
Schizos and Trannies will still get guns
Criminals don't follow law or regulation
Does regulation make getting firearms harder for them?
Not really, not as long as people are willing to break the law
Then ban all guns outright?
See above, criminals don't follow the law

>>515559675 (OP)
LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
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LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
SELL FEAR BUY FREEDOM

LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
Senate vote on September 10, 2025
SELL FEAR BUY FREEDOM

LEFT VS RIGHT DISTRACTION FROM ISRAEL
Republicans in both the Senate and House have recently blocked Democratic-led efforts to force the release of federal files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The issue has become a political battle, with Republicans and the Trump administration facing pressure from Democrats and parts of the public to provide greater transparency.
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>>515578039
>We have to let the government limit gun ownership to a privileged class
>This is the only reasonable why to oppose the government
KYS jeet

>>515559675 (OP)
Who would be the infringer, who would get his rights infringed?

>>515581593
You'll like this part: the definition of mass shooter was tweaked repeatedly to hedge out black multiple-murderers as much as possible.

Like imagine group A does 100x the multiple killings but almost all of them are 2 or 3 deaths, whereas group B's multiple killings are 4 and 5. Easy trick, just say "the definition is now 4 or more".

>>515579156
>Those men selected
By the government.
KYS jeet

>>515582454
>Class
Caste, more like.

>>515580515
>we can't have every man in society owning a rocket launcher.
The second amendment says the exact opposite of this.
KYS jeet

>>515581161
Go lose your life savings over a slightly nastier cold while old billionaires cum into egirl assholes you stupid burger

>>515571839
He is right about that though. You probably don't even speak English at home.

>>515561754
63% of crime is stopped by a civilian with a gun. The stats are there to find friend

>>515559675 (OP)
how did guns protect charlie?

>>515580506
>Angry at mass shootings
>Want gun control on high capacity military-looking rifles
>Turns out there's a lot of non-scary rifles that can do damage
>Want gun control on those too
>Turns out the vast majority of gun murder is from pistols
>Want gun control on those too
>Turns out wacko japs can turn a pipe into a shotgun
>We need common sense pipe control laws

The UK is pushing a law to ban carrying pointy knives or carrying them altogether. But they got rid of the guns, how could this be??

>>515559675 (OP)
There are many people that live in the country, in the middle of nowhere, with no gates or police patrols. Having a gun provides a sense of ease and a method of protection and deterrence from nefarious actors.

>>515581130
>Community level
>Prove to the court
>Proper procedures
>Then permitted
This is exactly what the 2nd amendment prevents.
KYS jeet

>>515572975
To add to you, "regulated" at the time means we'll ordered and functional, ie a well regulated timepiece. Not regulated meaning heavy constraint by legislature.

>>515582223
>knowing Rights are actually only Privileges
Rights are threats of violent uprising made by the governed towards the government. Laws are threats of lethal violence made by the government towards the governed.
They'll never be anything else.

>>515582971
>The UK is pushing a law to ban carrying pointy knives or carrying them altogether.
No we aren't.

>>515582223
>It's too hard to ban guns so we shouldn't try isn't an argument
Sure
Bottom line for me is, shiuld anything happen to me, I will defend myself, using my gun.
I try to avoid risky situations.
But that doesn't mean I won't be I the wrong place at the wrong time and need to defend myself.
They are simply fun to shoot as well.
>Would you shoot a man in the back?
If he was going after my kids I would.
I would rather bring a gun to a gun or knife fight
than a k ife to a gun or knife fight
I hope to avoid all fights
But making good decisions is sometimes not good enough
This woman order food to her house, and the delivery driver decided to rape her:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/deliveroo-driver-sexually-assaults-pregnant-34962195
Tell me, what did she do wrong?
Ask her, did she wish she had a gun to defend herself?
I don't think she did anything explicitly risky, by ordering food to-go to her doorstep.
Did she wish she had a gun?
We'd have to ask.
Would having a gun made a difference?
Maybe.

>>515568132
Honestly, you should talk with LLMs about this.

>>515559675 (OP)
Ok I'll explain.
At 18, every male U.S. citizen is automatically signed up for selective service. This is your name on the draft list. At 18 every man is a part of the "Militia", the reality available group of fighting age men ready to be drafted.

So yes you retarded, uneducated Swede, we do have a Militia, and it's bigger and has more guns per capital then your shitty country.

>>515559675 (OP)

Fuck-Off Kike

Back-Then, Faggot, there was only 1 grouping for Militia.

"White People", there were few Niggers&Jews, none, or very few Mix-a-cans.

The White people drafted the constitution for "White-People", anyone can join-in and prosper (to an degree) but it was "Theirs"...

Now its a free-for-all... Infested with all-manner of Nigger&Jews, Kikes, Faggots, Mongreloids, and assorted Spawn-Of-ZOG.

Go fuck your Kike boyfriend and pretend to interpret White-Peoples writings somewhere-else

surprised this post isn't in somalian or syrian language, must be hiding from the grenades and machetes, and still cries about guns in another country. lawl

>>515582971
Gun control doesn't inherently mean you can't have a gun. Maybe I just don't know gun law, but why the hell isn't every gun registered and changes of ownership tracked? It would be intrusive, yes, but if people can't be trusted to keep their guns in safe hands by themselves, what else are you supposed to do? Let what happened keep happening every Thursday?