Thread 515610749

Who would be his leftist equivalent?

>>515610749 (OP)
Leftists don't have the capacity to debate and defend their ideals. The best they can do is call you a nazi or a fascist for disagreeing with them.
So... There is no leftist equivalent.

>>515610749 (OP)
>Who would be his leftist equivalent?

Lambright

The left-wing equivalent of a guy whose job it is to engage in good faith debate with people and exchange ideas? Uhh. Hmm..uhh.

>>515611003
I mean in terms of influence and fame.

>>515611227
hasan or destiny

>>515610749 (OP)
There isn't one

Hontrapoints

>>515610749 (OP)
>hate jews
>america last
>love troons
Hasan the faggot sandnigger

>>515611227
There really isn't one. Maybe Hasan is the closest thing. But he's still miles behind. There's no one on the left that's in the public anywhere near as much as Charlie was.

>>515610749 (OP)
Zohran and its not even close.

>>515610749 (OP)
I've been thinking about this a lot to try and think of someone close enough for my retarded boomer mom to understand how big Kirk was but all I could say was Rachel Maddow which isn't even close desu.

The truth is the left has zero online personalities with any kind of mainstream visibility. They're utterly toxic to serious publicity

>>515611003
Bait.

>>515611003
>good faith debate

How new are you guys to this? Have you been sleeping under a rock for the last 9 years? Ever since Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson and Charlie Kirk have been debating random college kids it was either for money, making themselves look smart or radicalizing useful idiots for their reactionary cause.

>>515612174
>They're utterly toxic to serious publicity
So is your right/republican crowd. Youre just s faggy american so "muh side is always right" plays on loop inside your mind. The toxicity you accuse the left of, is the toxicity you yourself have. Its called american culture.

>>515610749 (OP)
Here he is

>>515610749 (OP)
Leftists don't have one. They just have a handful of losers who sit at computers and react to things.

Do you desire violence?

>>515611370
I don't know if they could gather a similar amount of people.

>>515611963
>>515612174
Who would be his complete opposite in terms of ideals but similar in terms of fame. If Charlie represented zionism, then the individual I'm talking about should represent globalism. Who is the most famous or "beloved" globalist leftist? It can be a man or a woman. Take AOC for example.

>>515610749 (OP)
JFK was heavily pro-nigger rights and wrote the first comprehensive draft of the CRA. I doubt retards like >>515611003 would call him anything but a leftist for believing niggers should be able to vote.

>>515612525
No faggot the right has multiple personalities that go into public to debate as a career and the left has none since their actual views are so toxic and require a controlled environment to not be rage baited into shit like castrating kids and denying science and logic about anything to due to race gender etc.

This is why they just shot a guy literally debating them publicly instead of that guy getting in line and winning a debate

>>515610749 (OP)
There is no equivalent on the left because he was committed to truth. The left have committed to always lie.

>>515613112
>>515613371
Alright, let me ask you this in a different way.

What current leftist figure would generate similar grief among the progressive left if assassinated?

>>515612341
Inversion of reality. That is what the university professors do.

I was thinking about this today and I thought Sam Seder would be a target if they wanted to strike back at internet lefties.

Or any of the more serious breadtubers that actually go out and make public appearances. All those people seem so much less relevant though.

>>515613794
None. The left don't love. They hate. They hate the opposition. They hate themselves. They hate each other.

>>515613794
Bernie Sanders and Slavoy Zizek.

>>515610749 (OP)
Hasan maybe

>>515610749 (OP)
Hasan Piker or Harry Sisson, probably.

>>515613794
None. The left is actually made up of hyper-individualistic freaks that are consumed by malicious envy and feelings of inferiority. Their neurotic focus on their weakness compels them to coalition built with outsiders and other freaks. They don't actually care about the group. The other people are expendable pawns to the leftist. Their response to death of comrades is purely performative. For competitive virtue singalong, which is the basis for their hierarchy.

>>515613934
The equivalent would still be the opposite. Going by your description of leftism, which is accurate, the equivalent is Hasan Piker or Harry Sisson.

>>515612341
>right wingers are radicalizing useful idiots vs leftists who are.. uh... doing something totally different!
leftists choked all the public discourse for a decade by crying victim and censoring social media, losing the ability to argue, then act shocked when half-wits entered the tide pools & dominate the scene.
It will be a decade before the leftists make an equivalent, for the same reason there isn't a far-left podcaster, they either have hard ideals that require the total destruction of the united states (distasteful to advertisers) or they can't argue any of their beliefs because they were taught for so long that being under-privileged is a a currency that can be cashed in arguments.
And for the record, those 3 are CIA/Israeli assets whose argument can be boiled down to protecting the home state, as any real Right-Wing movement in america has been squashed by 3 letter agencies with 10 figure budgets for the last 75 years

>>515614544
There is no equivalent to Kirk, but if you looked at influential leftists I'd say they would be academics. Like Robin D'Angelo or Ibrim Kendi. Except those specific two are somewhat out of flavour or discredited by now. I am not current.

>>515612341
Why do leftgroids use this same argument over and over again?
It's so abysmally stupid.
For starters, Peterson didn't debate. He did lectures on college campuses, and held Q&A's afterwards.
Shapiro is in the same boat, he didn't really do debates, he did lectures and held Q&A's afterwards.
>>515613112
What an absurd thing to say. The right to vote is a constitutionally protected activity for all citizens. Your faggot identity politics is peak faggotry.
>Buh muh black doe! ur a hekkin raysist aren't u!?!?!
No, but I do hate retarded people.

>>515610749 (OP)
There's no one on the left that was at his level of influence. Piker and the other e-fuccbois aren't even a tenth of Kirk's organization.

>>515614420
>they don't care about the group

Yeah that's why they keep protecting trans people, the disabled, the poor, blacks etc.

Weak argument.

>>515613934
It doesn't have to be grief specifically. It can be rage or fear or anything.

>>515614420
What leftist figure would generate a similar emotional reaction, performative or not.

>>515611370
>>515614367
>>515614415
Bullshit, Hasan, Destiny or any of them aren’t even close to what Kirk was in popularity and they just sit behind a screen. Repubs were prepping Kirk to be their presidential candidate in the next decade. The left doesn’t have an equivalent that’s why this is such a huge blow to conservatives and why they are raging so much

>>515610749 (OP)
Caleb Maupin

>>515613175
>No arrests were made
>THEY SHOT HIM REEEEEE

you dumb fucking nigger we both know its the jews.

none since only retards need some faggot to speak for them

>>515611370
nah, those are streamers like asmongold. basically just keyboard warriors. they would never debate in an open public forum like charlie did.

>>515613794
Sanders or zohran

>>515615051
>It can be rage or fear or anything.
The left feels that if you use the right biological pronoun or don't vote for their candidate. They would never feel that way about a person, only imaginary ideas.

>>515613794
newsom. hell even I would be sad if newsom was taken out.

>>515613794
some drugged up nigger on the side of the street, pick anyone really.

>>515615021
Already explained it. Those are outsiders and freaks that leftists need to coalition build. Leftists consider them expendable. Conservatives are actually group oriented and have morals based on sanctity/health of the collective. Leftists are fixated on traits that benefit that individual at the expense of the group. Patriotism is conservative for a reason.

>>515615570
>Conservatives are actually group oriented
Thats why they kill themselves en masse, right?

>>515610749 (OP)
Why? Looking for targets? Honestly, I can't think of one. Internet assigned me an entirely different algorithm.

>>515610749 (OP)
Matt Stone and Trey Parker probably

>>515615051
For performative grief the would most be triggered according to their intersectional feminist ideology. Essentially the oppression Olympics. Their hierarchy is based on stacking victim credibility from historical "oppression." So I guess it would be a fat black crippled transexual with autism.

>>515615379
The left isn't really that much into debating. I want to know what leftist could be able to rally a similar amount of people.

>>515615404
>>515615525
Bernie and Newsom don't have the same level of appeal to gen z. Also they are too moderate in their beliefs. I'm talking about a full blown woke globalist. I don't know how famous is Zohran.

>>515614868
I don't disagree with you on most points, however I fail to see how the left has radicalized, anyone really. And please don't come at me with this woke bullshit. Meaningless virtue signaling has been around since I can think and has little to no weight in realpolitics.

>>515616199
>>515615559

>>515616056
>a fat black crippled transexual with autism.
Nah, that would be their own "Iryna" equivalent.

I'm talking about the "Charlie" equivalent. Someone they hope will help them achieve their goals. Take AOC or Kamala, for example.

I think the conclusion is that the left doesn't have anyone worth killing so don't bother. They are pathetic evil cockroaches. They have no in-group loyalty because that is a conservative virtue. You can hurt them by hurting another member of the group. They don't care. It is all performative virtue signaling to try and climb their demented victim hierarchy.

>>515615559
>>515616569
That's their "Iryna", not their "Charlie"

>>515615931
Those two would fit in better with the old fags.

>>515616199
or some illegal spic that raped an american

>>515610749 (OP)
hasan

>>515611003
It's shocking how common it is today for people to not engage in debates. That Jubilee debate with Medhi showed it. He wouldn't debate, and would just namecall and "whataboutism" stuff

>>515611003
He couldn't debate either. He was always trying to bait people into getting mad by acting like a smug prick. Who are you kidding?

>>515616721
Again, that's their victim, not their martyr.

>>515616578
I suppose oligarch funding, like from George or Alex Soros. Trump should take them down with RICO charges.

>>515616839
Youre just projecting lmao.

>>515616882
geroge floyd man, i realdy told ya. pick any drugged up nigger, get a cop to kill em and bam, a lefty martyr is born

>>515610749 (OP)
Rachel maddow

>>515611003
If Charlie is such a great debater (sorry *was, forgot to respect his pronouns), then why did he get BTFO every time he debated anyone that wasn't a college freshman?

>>515616952
Come on. They aren't even public speakers. Kirk was also financed by zionist oligarchs.

>>515616636
*Can't hurt them by hurting the group. Their collectivism is performative for coalition building. It is just literally one weak monkey in danger, many weak monkey safe.

>>515617151
She still exists? Havent' heard anyone on the left or right mentioned her since 2010 other than that embarrassing career ending show where she said she had exclusive access to Trump's tax returns and then proceeded to read off perfectly normal tax records.

>>515613794
Nobody there aren't left wing e celebs

>>515612277
>this made me mad so I called it bait
You are fucking pissed lol

>>515610749 (OP)
Des Tiny is about as gay and zionist IIRC.

>>515612525
Not seeing a name you dishonest clown

>>515610749 (OP)
David Pakman

>>515617150
Floyd would definitely be an "Iryna" type of martyr. I'm talking about a famous leader. Someone who already had a big following. Nobody knew who Floyd was before he died. Charlie was already famous worldwide.

>>515612277
seethe incel, seethe

>>515614971
You are correct that these were lectures however I doubt those who watched them online back when it was relevant cared much for for the substance of the lecture. People watched them to laugh at college students, and thats it.

>>515612101
No one even knew who Zohran was until May. He crawled out of a mudhut like Saddam

>>515610749 (OP)
Destiny, also pro-Israel and a general Democrat shill while also dabbling in edgy larp

>>515617278
They have Gruesome Newsom, Tim Walz, Kamala and Cory Booker and Crazy-Eyes Cortez. Not exactly a dream team.

>>515610749 (OP)
Hasan if you want an actual leftist
Destiny if you want a "leftist" that is in reality a center right capitalist

>>515610749 (OP)
youre all wrong, its not going to be a politician nor a legacy media figure, people saying Hasan are close, but I'd argue he's more of a sam seder type, could just be the race though.

>>515617772
also good

>>515610749 (OP)
The left doesn't have an equivalent because they don't stand for anything.
Anyone that has earned it is too old to matter as much.
Kirk was 31
40 years of prime politics left

>>515616199
This is incorrect. The left debates, however they do not try to sway people over. Debates are held within leftist circles that aren't super accesible to the average person, about issues and theory most people don't care about.

>>515613019
AOC is an actual politician. Thats where people are getting mislead here. Charlie was only an activist and grifter. Someone pretty inconsequential having no real title or power. All he could did was talk. He tried to inform and sway people to his beliefs. Its been the liberal bread and butter for the last 30 some years with their monopoly on education and they felt threatened by some middle of the road neo con zionist who grifted social media. Pathetic.

>>515617797
couldn't have blm without george floyd, he may not have been a good person but he made a good martyr simply because he died in police custody.

>>515610749 (OP)
Hasan

>>515618598
>>515617797
and it was public, which is key. the whole "i cant breathe" thing, it was perfect martydom

>>515617916
Fuck, I think you're right. The way you put it, the leftist leadership is just depressing to even look at.

I'm starting to think that the true "Charlie" equivalent/opposite was that giant mass of screeching libtards he was always trying to debate.

>>515610749 (OP)
In terms of espousing the most generic brand of conservative talking points and ideology of the past 10 years?

Idk, Hasan seems like the most obvious choice but left wing and right wing media influencers and platforms are so fundamentally different in form and function it's almost impossible to compare. Bill Maher possibly for general name recognition I guess

>>515618334
I meant real debates. Those "debates" you are talking about in leftist circles are more like cult-meetings where most members tend to already be on the same page. At least in general terms.

>>515611003
Charlie wasn't a debater, he was a provocateur, a professional troll. Hell, he spent his last second on this earth smugly deflecting a question with bait.

>>515611003
Well actually the best they can do is fucking shoot you, apparently.

>>515611003
Bingo

>>515610749 (OP)
probably AMLO o Maduro lmao, in the USA the left is full of pussies

>>515610749 (OP)
>low iq debate pervert arguing with 20 year olds
literally any breadtuber

>>515619606
Is there a leftist provocateur/professional troll?

>>515612341
>EU flag
Please die in ukraine

>>515610749 (OP)
there's not one
you can tell based off the previous democrat primaries
they had the guy they backed, they were commanded to back somebody else, they obeyed
they dont "support" anybody because they aren't allowed to

>>515619550
Zizek debates, could be wrong about it tho. Been a while since I heard anything from him.

>>515620086
Only if you give me a stimmy of 100 billion

>>515613794
Tom hanks?
All the left's people are old as fuck

>>515620055
I'm sure some exist, but since neither of us can think one up off the top of our heads, I don't think there's anybody as prominent as Kirk was.

>>515616839
That's because nobody disagreed with Medhi.
You can't disagree with someone when everyone agrees with you

>>515610749 (OP)
Probably Kyle Kulinski

>>515610749 (OP)
People are mentioning streamers, but none of these guys have created a non-profit that goes through ~$80,000,000 per year. Who is someone on the left that is not an elected official, is actively promoting their ideology, and is doing so with tens of millions of dollars in resources? Can't actually think of one that checks all those boxes.

>>515614868
The left was fine as occupy wall street. Then they were infiltrated by intelligence agencies
The government has the capacity for evil
It always needs to be checked hard

>>515613794
he would need to meet lot of leftist values like

>drug addict
>nigger
>paedophile
>murderer of Whites

>>515615931
Yup all of the left is OLD

>>515620832
yep occupy is when the woke brainrot really started getting artificially pumped into every corner of the internet by capitalist thinktanks

>>515612277
So is every argument Charlie ever made lmao

>>515620774
The left is weak, they have nothing. That's why people voted trump

>>515620774
there's not one
they all turned "moderate" or even right wing
tim pool, joe rogan, bill maher, even the young cucks guy isn't full lib anymore, and the newest member of lib also turned against them quite quickly, charlamange tha fag
they just can't keep anybody

I don't follow that scene enough to say. But this shooting makes me think how back in 2008 i saw Hillary speak at my college in the primaries. I was never going to vote for her or Obama, but just thought seeing a speech relating to the country's election as a student would be interesting.
I didn't cheer or boo, I even clapped afterwards for a second because it just seemed the normal decorum. At this point I dount my small alma matter would ever risk something like that again.

>>515610749 (OP)
Hasan or maybe ContraPoints

>>515621335
right wing content is more profitable so why pander to the left wing crowd

>>515611003
FPBP
The closest thing that the left has is Hassan Piker geg

Destiny or that one faggot kid Harry Sisson.

>>515613112
JFK could not have defended his views about niggers in light of the last 50 years of evidence. He'd have looked an utter fool for trying.

>>515610749 (OP)
David Hogg might be a rough equivalent.

>>515622450
he got kicked out of lib for no longer being useful

The far left and the would be left party are disconnected. The Republicans used to distance themselves from the far right too, until 8 years ago. Unless a populist leftist gets into power, there's no equivalent. Not Hassan (who was scheduled to debate Kirk next week) he doesn't do politicking / organizing, just jabbering on live streams.

>>515611038
ok I chuckled

BLACK GENOCIDE........ NOW.

>>515613794
The right that has "heroes". The left has some passing leading figures, but all of them end up eating each other at some point.

>>515610749 (OP)
these?

>>515610749 (OP)
the bitch who wrote the white fragility book.

>>515610749 (OP)
unironically himself.

I mean he was literally a shill for a billionaire "non-profit" that existed solely to cynically promote right wing ideology to justify cutting taxes on rich people. There is no left wing equivalent. Also imagine dying having done nothing in your life except suck off richfags while living in near poverty.

>>515610749 (OP)
i feel like he fits pretty squarely with Hasan
if you're talking about in terms of the assassination than obviously that democratic lady that was killed a few months ago

>>515611227
Alexander soros. That is your direct equivalent. They had/have roughly the same impact on the chessboard, if that's what youre asking.

>>515611003
lmao faggots like Charlie and Ben Shapiro literally go to campuses to debate unprepared teenage college freshmen to look good with their "gotcha" talking points. When they debate actual academics, they get their shit pushed in every single time. Check out Charlie's debate when he went to Oxford and fuck off.

>>515610749 (OP)
Steven Colbert

>>515610749 (OP)
Ben Shapiro

>>515616839
If that was your takeaway from that debate, I'm gonna need the name of your dealer.

There is no proper equivalent. I didn't really like Kirk but he managed to galvanise the right leaning youth of America like no other.
A lot of it was easy, 'debate me bro' clipfarming, but it was his shtick and he seemed to do it quite well. Easy targets and all but they were popular for a reason and if anything showcasing how fucking retarded many university students are shows how meaningless these places are now. Why do so many young people go to college? Why do we have this ridiculous societal expectation of trying to push as many young people into universities when they are clearly not academically equipped for it? Is it to just keep youth unemployment down? Is it the universities themselves pushing for more and more to enroll to harvest infinite money?
Wasn't university meant to be for the best and brightest? People who in times gone by could actually hold themselves in debate or discussion, after all, isn't/wasn't that part of the point of these institutions? Instead, they wandered up to the microphone and like gormless, blank morons often never had anything witty, insightful or challenging to say.
Back on topic, do you seriously think any of these names people are spitting out, who all they do is sit on their arse on random twitch livestreams always reacting, are truly anywhere near?
Kirk was part of the embedded establishment right, he had friends in Vance and Trump, he had access to the ears of power and operated 'non MSM' media machinery that the left could only dream of controlling.

>>515615172
Comparatively a nobody and most """leftists""" detest him.

I actually like Maupin because he's reasonable and well spoken. That's exactly why the "left" would give absolutely zero fucks if he somehow came to harm.

OP asked a good question, honestly... I don't really know of any leftist influencers that routinely publicly debated in meatspace. Nearly all of their top gri- er, influencers spend 100% of their time at a desk reacting to virtual video. This is one of the reasons Destiny has repeatedly stated that the Democrat party is losing the public space, because they lack bold, charismatic leaders who direct the normie attention economy.