Thread 515638723

I quite don't understand, with the Charlie Kirk thing, why would Dems and the broader left choose strategies that would put them in a great disadvantage for future elections?
The ones who are going to be deciding the future government and policies of US are going to be waning voters, meaning the ones who are not fully red or blue.
The gloating about Kirk can only lead to loss of these voters, it's not like some waning republican is gonna say - oh yeah this makes it clear that I should not vote this way anymore, but a waning democrat may.
The only way that the right could fumble this moment is by choosing violence, but they seem to be playing the long game. So why Dems can't do that?

The median voter does not give a shit about Charlie Kirk, the median voter votes 80% based on the economy and 20% based on immigration/abortion/healthcare.

With the direct Trump is sending the country people don't even know if they'll still be alive in 3 years. It's day after day of horrendous news that signals the rapid collapse of the US. Not a week goes by when it's another "Oh it will take decades to repair this if it happens at all" story.
They're letting off steam by laughing at one of the harbingers of the fall. People have memories worse than goldfish and no one will remember this in a month, much less election time.

>>515638723 (OP)
Trump did better in an election he won than in an election he lost?

Thanks Bloomberg, big brains over there.

>>515639040
But economy was best during Biden. In fact, the pandemic period has least amount of immigration.

>>515639157
I remember max 3 things when getting a ballot, and these are the most emotional or impressive ones that decide how I vote.
I do not vote based on last two weeks.

The left killed one of the biggest promoters of right wing thought on college campuses this will undoubtedly help them for decades to come.

There's a reason every single leftist in the country is celebrating right now. It's not like there's anyone around who can easily replace Kirk, he was one of the most coherent, articulate, steady and productive voices spreading moderate right wing conservativism on campuses. He's one of the reasons Trump won in 2024. There's no system for future recruitment, there's no "next guy up" and even if there was, they'd be scared of getting shot next.

>>515640846
>But economy was best during Biden.

LMAO

They economy was dogshit unless you like runaway inflation caused by his endless spending bills.

>>515641302
Nope. Biden spent less than Trump.

>>515641896
No, retard, "Build Back Better" and the "Inflation Reeducation Act (a very ironic name) printed trillions and trillions of dollars and were the direct cause of the mass inflation which occurred under Biden's regime.

>>515641187
I don't think that creating martyrs is good way of stopping people from doing something.
The basic rule that any dictator now knows to follow is that you need to kill people before they are famous if you want to stop people from doing something.
Having a presumption of heroic death only makes the story grander and more inspiring for people to follow, look at literally every religious story and rise of any protest movement that managed to topple the despotic government. Look at MLK's legacy.

>>515641302
>>515641896
People are easy to forget that Biden was literally giving them cash through stimulus checks. The prices were way lower than now and even lower than during Trump's last year during his handling of covid.
They were just sold a lie by populists and they believed it.
The same way that they are being sold a lie that immigration during Biden led to more crime. Crime levels have actually fallen during Biden, but everyone acts now as if they were living in Baghdad during his presidency.

>>515641302
>caused by his endless spending bills.
Are you being stupid on purpose

>>515638723 (OP)
Utah is a shithole and Mormons are not Christians. They need wiped out like Gnostics were.

>>515641302
Inflation is almost never caused by government spending, since most of the money created in our system is created by private banks -- not the government.

In the case of COVID, the primary driver of the inflation was supply side. Real resources were disrupted.

If you were to print off $5T and use it exclusively to employ people and spin up idle factories to start producing $5T worth of goods and services, you wouldn't get inflation. It's almost always a supply side problem. Weimar, Zimbabwe, Venezuela. Supply side problems.

>>515643264
shalom!

>>515639040
I agree with you, but than what the hell was 2016?

>>515643390
>b-but they're white
So are trantifa.

>>515642931
>prices were lower
Because the full extent of inflation was still coursing through the economy. Inflation is only lower now because the stimulus (money printing) acts have ended.

>crime levels have fallen
*crime just goes unreported now becuase we are third world

>>515643226
Are you? What do you call the BBB or IRA acts? The created trillions of dollars which created mass inflation.

>>515643361
>Weimar, Zimbabwe, Venezuela.

all caused by government spending

>>515640846
>But the economy was best during Biden
Lmao
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>>515638723 (OP)
1.there ain't any dems gloating. Every politician has come out with condemnations of violence and sympathy.
It's basically a bunch of "I don't agree with him but he shouldn't have been shot. Violence needs to stop."
So this ain't some sort of op.

2.The GOP's leaning in really hard to make charlie a maryter because they desperately need a win right now.
Trump's economic plan and geopolitical plans both backfired, and now the cost of living is spiking, unemployment is rising, and inflation that took 3 years to stop has re-ignited. While america looks pathetic on the world stage, and trump is made a chump in every interaction.
Even his attempts at mass deportation and military crackdowns were so sloppy and stupid americans went from something like 67% approval to 13%

Oh and then there's the epstien files which implicate a bunch of people including trump for pedos shit, and that won't go away.

They need a fuckin win, or a distraction for their base right now.

This Charlie Kirk shooting has REALLY fucked them for 2028. Not only is it yet another example of leftist violent, but the rhetoric that independence are seeing from dems on social media is shocking.
The Dems plans for 2028 was to win back gen z men. That is now 100% impossible and a 16 year old right now will 100% be voting Republican. 2028 is pretty much over unless Vance really fucks up (which he won't, the guy is smart).

>>515638723 (OP)
If you think people are going to completely compromise on their political beliefs because some conservative YouTuber got killed then you need to spend less time on the internet.

>>515644660
>1.there ain't any dems gloating.
Their voters are, that's all people need to see. Elected Dems have condemned the violence, but not the rhetoric. This will crush them in a few years.
>2.The GOP's leaning in really hard to make charlie a maryter because they desperately need a win right now.
They already won 2024. The most important election in US history. "Zomg the party that has the House, Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS desperately needs a win".
>Trump's economic plan and geopolitical plans both backfired
Tariffs aren't fully implemented yet. He has 4 years to turn it around.

>>515644985
>If you think people are going to completely compromise on their political beliefs because some conservative YouTuber got killed then you need to spend less time on the internet.
That's not what's going to happen. But tons of people are independent or undecided. Guess which side they will vote for? The GOP message will be the "party of non-violence" going into 2028. It's a strong message.

Only the crazy people on social media are gloating, actual Democrat politicians are universally condemning the shooting.

>>515645282
>Only the crazy people on social media are gloating,
You mean Dem voters?
> actual Democrat politicians are universally condemning the shooting.
But they're not condemning the gloating?
As far as I'm concerned 2028 is in the bag for Vance.

>>515644548
And this guy is a proof why economy doesnt matter in ellections. But assasinations neither. Coz in long term only thing that matters is what will be happening or what will be spoken about on tiktoks and other medias 1 week before elections.
Everything else will be just covered with so many layers of shit that everyone can believe everything. And there is nothing you can write to persuade someone that he and his believes are fuckin retarded.

>>515644901
Wow you stupid. Can you name me 2 headlines from 2 years ago that made you vote Trump past ellections? In 2 years Kirk assasination will be as important for you and others as fuckin Kenedy or Luther King, or George Floyd. Do you relly think that even one black guy in your country casted vote last ellections on Trump or on Harris because of what happened to George Floyd?????

>>515638723 (OP)
American politics is a Gordian Knot of red tape and no one actually wants to be in power anymore because it's impossible to get anything done. It's easier to just be the opposition party and collect a paycheck while jeering the others for being incompetent. Literally. Democrats especially want to stay out of the White House and hold a narrow minority in Congress so they never have to own up to not being able to implement the most important platforms of their voters like gun control, single payer healthcare, student loan debt forgiveness, Palestine, etc. Republicans are at least satisfied enough with libs owned to keep fighting for the privilege of having an ass warm the Oval Office chair.

>>515646158
>Can you name me 2 headlines from 2 years ago that made you vote Trump past ellections?
If Trump didn't have 2 assassination attempts the election would have been much closer and he probably wouldn't have won the popular vote. Events like that trigger normies.
>In 2 years Kirk assasination will be as important for you and others as fuckin Kenedy or Luther King, or George Floyd.
George Floyd? Kys kike.
And AGAIN, the Dems big plan was to spend millions to win back Gen z men. With this death that plan is 100% done. Gen z men are now a large part of the GOP base and that will not change for the next 20 years at least. And young men that will get to vote in 2028 for the first time? Guess who they are voting for? Do you think they will vote FOR the party that killed their favorite youtube guy and gloated about it? Fucking retard.
> Do you relly think that even one black guy in your country casted vote last ellections on Trump or on Harris because of what happened to George Floyd?????
Harris? No. Biden? YES. And Floyd is different because it involved police and riots and Dems wanted to get away from their defund the police message and the 2020 riots in 2024 you fucking retard.

>>515642770
Look it up faggot. I can't learn for you

>Why Dems Want To Lose Elections?
The Republicans always give the Democrats whatever they want then they campaign on "I have to fight the Democrats!!". Now the Democrats are going to do the same. They just want to stay in power.

>>515639157
The media said everything was fine before Biden lost and now they say everything is bad but trump will win in an even bigger landslide and you shills will be put down forever.