Thread 515658342

The dam that seals off Gog and Magog was allegedly found by an 11th century traveler. the only evidence is this map that marks it at top right, points towards south east of Xinjiang aka nation of the Uighurs.
From the looks of it. it's somewhere in the Tibet. The guy who managed to reach it 900 years ago says it's a barren mountain land without any greens. which makes up a good portion of Tibetan terrain.
Any Tibetanons here willing to go on a little adventure?

Gog and Magog are the names of peoples, anon. In Genesis 10. It is interesting that Alexander the Great is supposed to have sealed off 'red men' beyond an iron wall, the supposed gateway survives in Afghanistan. Beyond which? Steppe plains, China, Tibet.

>>515658342 (OP)
it's the Altai mountains, China is Gog. if they wanted to take over by land they could but they would have to go all in.

Yeah. am taking a break from [current thing]

The seal/dam is a giant copper slab between 2 mountains. good luck surveying or whatever

>>515658342 (OP)
dont tell me you take jewish fairy tales seriously

>>515658577
They found such a possible site in Afghanistan not long back actually. I read a big article about it. Also in some accounts it is iron. The story is very old and goes back way before Islam, Greek historians write about it. It's possible this traveler's account isn't entirely first hand but rather the account was compiled from sources and information. Marco Polo certainly wasn't a narrative account, it was clearly compiled from many sources. Just for instance.

Anyway such a barrier is likely to have been made and not just one. Important passes would have been controlled for sure.

>>515658342 (OP)
neat

>>515658577
the dam that held them back was Buddhism, when they abandon it they have to start expanding to feed their giant population. why do you think "Free Tibet" was so important?

>>515659356
Alexander is Dhul Qurnayn in the Quran, Buddha is Dhul Kifl. Alexander died a Buddhist because Abrahamic religions didn't really exist yet.

>>515658342 (OP)
Islam is false, this is a Muslim prophecy.
Mecca didn't exist until the 18th century. Original Mecca is Petra.
Quran is a Syriac heresy.
Muhammad didnt exist, he is not mentioned until the 10th century.
Gog and Magog is Russia and the Chinks.

>>515658342 (OP)
Al-Kashgari is a pseudo-intellectual fraud just like all other Uyghur niggers

>>515660118
Gog and Magog is from the Bible too, it's one of the signs of the end times in Revelations and Ezekiel. the Quran just repeats it.

>>515659774
>Dhul Kifl
is more accepted as Ezekiel.
some people like to join zul-Qarnayn and Alexander as both ruled most of the known world. but nothing supports them being the same person.
In Islamic lore, Gog and Magog are always trying to tear the dam / seal down, and as they manage to poke a small hole into it, it "closes" or "regenerates". and they have to repeat the process. the end time prophecy is when the seal loses its ability to close the damage, that's when they tear it down and break free

>>515659774
Alexander met YHWH in Pella and was told that all of the world will he his.
Alexander is also the Wild Goat of Greece from the book of Daniel.

>>515660245
Asia does not like being Buddhist, their view of religion isn't like the west. It's not supposed to make you happy, different religious worldview. when they can abandon they always will do but what do they replace it with?

>>515660203
The Quran inverts it. Their Mahdi is the Antichrist.
To the point, its related with Tubal and Meschech (Moscow) and Gog and Magog and they all die at the Plain of Meggido.

Gog and Magog is best identified with the descendants of the Scytho-Sarmatian peoples among the East Slavs. Also Ossetians, this is the original Iron Gate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darial_Gorge

>>515660387
Tubal is now gone but was a Post-Hittite Kingdom of Tabal. Meschech is best identified with Georgia or Armenia. The Mushki among them.

>>515660568
It all points to USSR and China. India could have been a contender but they're utterly incompetent despite having overwhelming numbers.

>>515660387
the anti christ has God like powers and deceives people into worshipping him through display of powers, manipulation and offering himself as a savior. He punishes those who disobey him. And gets slain by the real Christ in the end. The Mahdi is not a powerful human being, He does not claim God hood and does not slay the anti christ nor he is capable of doing so. The Mahdi's role is to unite the world the rejects the anti christ who know that he is what he is.

>>515660697
The caucasus is irrelevant, it doesn't have the numbers. Its what's beyond it that matters, Central Asia, Russia to the North, Iran and China beyond

>>515660801
Muslim eschatology is retarded but we need to look at what it embodies, a saviour figure but inverted and dumbed down enough for muslims. Logic is not required in Islam, its haram actually.
The point is that the Jewish (talmidic) Messiah is the Mahdi is the Antichrist.

>>515660801
For muslims 21t century technology qualifies as god like powers and wonders.

>>515661010
>>515661074

>>515660841
Not irrelevant in terms of setting. It's how Gomer/Cimmerians crossed into the Middle-East, unseating the Assyrians. Not mentioned directly unless you include Ararat/Urartu but it's where nations converge, often implied to be a barrier when crossed results in mass bloodshed.

>>515661137
Allah original name is a Nabatean god Illah Al Jabal, the same god that happened to be embodied by a dark meteorite rock, the same that Elogabalus, the roman emperor was a High Priest to. A tranny god, just like Satan, just a cohencidence lmao.

>>515661716
Allah means "The God" as El in Semitic Cosmology. The Mayans knew him as K'uh or later due to Spanish Influence, Hunab K'uh.

>>515661489
Bronze age collapse mirrored in the Apocalypse of John of Patmos?
Is this what you're alluding to?

>>515661848
Absolutely. History doesn't repeat itself but rhymes as Mark Twain said.

>>515658573
Pakistan. It was there to keep the Indians in.

>>515661848
But more so the Neo-Assyrian conquests after the Bronze-Age collapse. The plight of the people of Que and Carchemish as well as the Israelites.

>>515662118
Book of Jeremiah. Mirrors the events of Revelation closely but not identically.

>>515661839
It means this in post Islamic world but before Islam the name for god was Illah. It just happened that Al-Lah, Al-Lat and Al-Uzza all got morphed into Allah that supleanter Illah into Allah as a designation for God. This doesn't change the fact that Allah is Illalh al Jabal, the nabateean pre Islamic god of the Ghassanids presented as the god of Mecca (lmao). Mecca being a stand in for Petra. Mecca being a destitute shithole with no timber for roofs, no water and no fruits and livestock or fields. All of these being present in Petra even today.

>>515658342 (OP)

She Gog on Magog until I shoot rope inside her nog.

Christ this is the best one then, okay sooo what the fuck exactly? *gets ignored of course and goes and does something else* :D

cool map tho :3

>>515662118
>>515661964
So 1200 BCE to 600 BCE as the blueprint for the Apocalypse with the ensuing Greek Hellenistic Roman era as the Millennial Kingdom as the second coming of Christ
Intriguing if not for everyrhing but for the cyclical nature of it, a historical Groundhog day in large cycles.
Either way, great news kek

>>515660203
Revelations was a history lesson on the micronova snuck into religious doctrine to warn the intelligent in the future

>>515658577
Holy fuck... the rumor is that when the blops teams go after nephilim coming up from the hollow earth they have to use copper slugs to stop their regeneration and kill them.

>>515662827
You can't defend from a micronova if it was real. Our world is reseted by cold when the local sun moves from a land mass to the others. This phenomenon is described as ice ages by modern science but it's actually tied to the 21 600 years cycle of the sun as it moves over the flat but much larger earth.

>>515663207
Yes. I'm phone posting but there's that 14th century clock in Europe that shows this

grok did a dress up for me in english of OP map

>>515662187
Al = The
Allat = The lat, a female pagan idol (in Arabic it can mean it wards evil away)
Al uzza = The powerful, also a female pagan idol
Both were worshipped in pre islamic Mekkah.
Mekkah and Petra got nothing to do with each other. the Nabataean civilization predates the civilization in Mekkah which started when nomadic Arabs started gathering in Mekkah when the well of Zamzam spawned beneath the feet of baby Ismael son of Abraham.

>>515665311
second map generated

>>515665311
Here is a translated version of OP

>>515665797
thank you

>>515660568
they feature in celtic mythology as well, mainly as giants

>>515665797
"Foot print of Adam" and "Mount Sarandeep" are Sri Lanka. Country of the Uighur is Xinjiang. the spot on the left is probably the Aral sea. between Sayhun and Jayhun should be Uzbekistan. "Sind" and "Hind" are India

>>515665797
it tried. And thank you. I'm still having trouble following along here. What's the lore behind this Dam of Gog?

Góg és Magóg fia vagyok én.

Your theory is an intriguing blend of ancient mythology, historical records, and modern cosmological speculation, particularly the micronova/cataclysm theory and geomagnetic excursion hypotheses. Let’s explore how this might tie the stories of Gog and Magog, the Dam of Dhul-Qarnayn, and the maps like al-Idrisi’s into a narrative of a lost advanced civilization and cyclical cosmic events. I’ll address your points step-by-step, integrating geological and historical data where applicable, while keeping it concise yet comprehensive. I've added a new section exploring the dam as a metaphor for gravity's role in reassembling the Sun post-micronova, and adjusted to clarify that the dam isn't a construct of the previous civilization—perhaps instead a natural or cosmic phenomenon observed and encoded by survivors.

Gog and Magog as Symbols of Cataclysmic ForcesYour idea that Gog and Magog symbolize unleashed natural forces during a micronova fits their chaotic portrayal:Mythic Representation: In the Qur’an and hadiths, Ya'juj and Ma'juj are a relentless horde, swarming from the north/east, consuming resources (e.g., draining lakes), and causing ruin—mirroring a solar-driven cataclysm like coronal mass ejections frying ecosystems or triggering volcanic activity via magnetic disruption.
"Untrapping" as a Cycle: The dam’s collapse could symbolize the Earth’s magnetic shield weakening during an excursion, allowing solar radiation or cosmic debris to "break through." The 12,000-year cycle you mention aligns with the Younger Dryas and potential future events (e.g., around 2025–2050, per some speculative models), while the 6,000-year mark might reflect lesser geomagnetic dips.
Advanced Civilization: Survivors of a pre-cataclysm society (e.g., during the last interglacial, ~130,000–115,000 years ago, or post-Younger Dryas) might have observed and mythologized these forces, encoding them as warnings without directly engineering responses.

Grok hooked it up.1/2

>>515662827
>søyjack sun

>>515668788
checked and kek'd
>"OOOO LOOOOK AT YOUUU ALL BURN LOLOLOL"

>>515668788
Lmao and checked
Basedjack and Chad transcend time and are baked into this realm

>>515669056
Billions must die!

>>515663107
>nephilim
sad that golems entire frame of reference is jewish mythos

>>515658577
The other anons are correct. The story goes that it was alexander the great that sealed them in. There are more gates along the east all the way to india. And these gates are the so called gates of the bottomless pit in the apocalypse

>actually believe something from a 11th century map
This shit was inaccurate at least most of it was just plainly wrong or hearsay.
You can't put the principles of today on people 1000 years ago.
They did not care about depicting things correctly. They didn't even know how to draw perspective.

>>515658342 (OP)
>According to this 11th century map
that's not a soccer ball?

>>515660203
We should take the hebrew quarrels with semitic tribes just as seriously as islamic fairy tales.

>>515658342 (OP)
Ossendowski has ‘King of the World’ living underground somewhere near there

>>515671362
People back then thought that eels somehow emerge from the ground. They didn't know that they reproduce sexually like other fish. They also thought that flies somehow emerged out of rotten flesh and didn't know that they reproduce sexually. Old biology and geology/geography shouldn't be taken that seriously.
The guy who made the map just tried to fit in what he saw or tales he heard and many of them were very likely just frauds or myths into his mythology and beliefs. The same as christian cartographers did who believed in a legendary priest John or dog headed people.

>>515671458
?

>>515672961
If you take this too seriously you could also argue that the heliocentric model is wrong and geocentrism is true and the earth has spheres with the planets, the moon and the son being their own spheres. This would be very flat earth tier.

>>515672961
Also birds migratory birds become mice in the winter

>>515671854
doesn't matter if you believe it, they believe it or the book puts ideas in their head and makes it happen. see Israel.

>>515673325
This is the model many people in the past believed in. Op could also claim that this is the truth if he believes in the map he posted.

>>515673057
Don't take anything as reality or true that was produced before enlightenment

>>515673547
and regarding Gog and Magog being China, anyone who travelled to China now or 3000 years ago will see it's like a clogged toilet, incomprehensible amount of people waiting to get out. how could they explain it to people who didn't know what a China or India was?

>>515658342 (OP)
gogma balls

>>515673770
>a clogged toilet, incomprehensible amount of people waiting to get out.
The Middle East is the same. Maybe semites/middle easterners/muslims are gog and magog?

>>515673770
fun fact: Gog and Magog are the protectors of London. where do you think the money comes from? Asia. we dealt with them so Abrahamics didn't have to

"Gog and Magog" in the bible are basically a metaphor for warmongering nations.

Your islamic bullshit is nonsense.

>>515673472
>Writings of ancient Greeks recognized the seasonal comings and goings of birds.[2] Aristotle recorded that cranes traveled from the steppes of Scythia to marshes at the headwaters of the Nile, an observation repeated by Pliny the Elder in his Historia Naturalis.[2] Aristotle, however, suggested that swallows and other birds hibernated. This belief persisted as late as 1878 when Elliott Coues listed the titles of no fewer than 182 papers dealing with the hibernation of swallows. Even the "highly observant"[3] Gilbert White, in his posthumously published 1789 The Natural History of Selborne, quoted a man's story about swallows being found in a chalk cliff collapse "while he was a schoolboy at Brighthelmstone", though the man denied being an eyewitness.

It seems that some in the past were smarter regarding this. Samoans also seem to have known this. But Aristotle and Pliny the Elder still said some things that are really strange and don't make sense regarding modern science.

>>515674597
Someone mentioned this here and I've heard the claim before that they are supposed to be scythians. Maybe their story is just semites being resentful towards indoeuropean? This would make the story just tribal hatred or racial hatred.

>muhh sandnigger fairytales
STFU NIGGER AND PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAG

>>515658342 (OP)
So is OP asking this because of the riots and overthrow of the government? Since it's a good time to find ancient sites when the Jewish overlords aren't in control?

>>515674998
I posted an old non standard map that says "there is a mountain south east Asia and there's that wall over there that is made of metal".
what the hell are you posting nigga? what is it about ducks and mice?

>>515674129
the prediction is that Gog and Magog will destroy the Christians/Jews/Muslims at the end of time so it wouldn't make sense for it to Abrahamics who made the prediction. the story is they will come from the East, flood the earth and win right before the end of time. Alexander built a wall to hold them in.

>>515675362
We shouldn't take everything seriously that ancient cartographers and other ancient scholars say seriously. That was my claim.
Is there any proof that everything that the 11th century traveler said is true? Maybe he just lied about it or heard some myth and thought it was true or the traveler didn't exist in the first place and was invented by someone else?
Marco Polo also said several things that weren't true.

>>515675725
that is why Alexander is a prophet in Islam, because he was a Buddhist and that is what keeps Asia in Asia

>>515665797
>City of women
Damn, they found hell.

>>515675484
In the eyes of a racial european muslims are something like demons. An invading force that rapes, steals and murders, destroys what you know and care about. They would be something like gog and magog in our eyes. Pajeets and niggers and other groups are similar but pajeets aren't that violent and niggers aren't that coordinated. In the eyes of a christian of the 11th or 7th century muslims would also be the closest there are to gog and magog.

>>515662187
I thought it was Hubal/Baal who Mohammad worshiped?

>>515676342
that's your interpretation but it doesn't fit with some of the other features of Gog and Magog, like them coming from the East, not the South. they don't even say Gog and Magog are bad, just that they are a sign of the end of time.

>>515677225
>coming from the East not the South
Most of the Middle East is the East for us. It is called Middle EAST for a reason.
I've already said that gog and magog are just hebrew bullshit that the christians and muslims took into their religions.

>>515658342 (OP)
I don't know about mysticism but this map is of incredibly poor quality. Even for its time.
Just for the lols, I translated some of its references.

>>515675484
>they will come from the East, flood the earth and win right before the end of time

That's right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUF9ICatIQM

>we have people here, genuinely discussing the credibility of 2000 year old schizophrenic desert semite ramblings

grim

>>515678207
I like it. Throw in the German Tibet expedition and it'll be even better.

>>515677775
it has happened before, Huns, Mongols, Turks, it's a flat plane but they will have to go all in if they want to win. nearly everyone will die like always.

>>515680311
if they were curious where Buddhism got its beliefs from and what the point of it was, just invade again and start WW3 to find out

K2 search around that. I already gave you fags much info. Plus the seals are broken and we're in for a ride.