Thread 515699453

>says gun deaths are worth it for 2nd amendment so we can preserve american heritage and freedom
>simultaneously promotes a christian takeover of the government and end of religious freedom

Did he basically step on a rake here? He actually created the philosophical justification for his own murder...

>>515699453 (OP)
No he did not

If you're against banning cars, and you get killed in a car accident, does that mean you deserved to die?

If you oppose a curfew for men, and you get murdered by a man at night, does that mean you deserved it?

>>515700110
If you said cars are for killing people who do X, and you do X, and get killed by car...

He says guns are for defending your freedom, and then attacks religious freedom...

Not saying we think this is valid logic, am just evaluating it according to Kirk's own logic.

>>515699453 (OP)
>and end of religious freedom
Link or it didn't happen.

>>515700812
>and then attacks religious freedom
Baseless accusation.

>>515700812
>If you said cars are for killing people who do X, and you do X, and get killed by car...

Charlie believes guns are for self defense against violent criminals and a tyrannical government, he was neither of those.

>He says guns are for defending your freedom, and then attacks religious freedom..

He never once attacked religious freedom.

Charlie believed people should be allowed to own guns, the fact that somebody used one to kill him means nothing and doesn't point to any hypocrisy on his part.

It would be the same as if he was killed by a knife, does that mean he's a hypocrite for not wanting knives banned?

>>515699453 (OP)
>He actually created the philosophical justification for his own murder...
If true, the guy is a martyr.
His sacrifice will pave the way for a new era.
I never thought I would live to witness this level of sacrifice again.

>>515699453 (OP)
>philosophical justification for his own murder
Are you for fucking real? What kind of basic-bitch sophist drivel is this? How is it philosophical justification to admit if you have a dangerous tool, sometimes people are going to die from it and to keep being able to use this vital tool, you have to accept this horrible fact.

Go justify suicide by committing it yourself, nigger.

>>515700903
>>515700969
He says christian dominance is required for liberty and there shouldn't be separation of church and state.

>>515701006
>It would be the same as if he was killed by a knife, does that mean he's a hypocrite for not wanting knives banned?
Its not about "not wanting them banned" but if he says knifes are for cutting, and he is a steak... He says guns are for defending your freedom and then attacks other's freedoms of religions other than Christianity..

>>515701932
>He says guns are for defending your freedom and then attacks other's freedoms of religions other than Christianity..
If non christians are armed, resistance to 1A infringement is more likely.

>>515701759
>to keep being able to use this vital tool, you have to accept this horrible fact.
To use it for what though? He says guns are for maintaining american heritage, freedom... and exactly how is that done, mechanically?

And he simultaneous supports a christran takeover of the government, suppression of religious freedom - either right to follow another religion or none, by promoting a solely christian autocracy in place of secular democratic republic. This kind of sounds exactly like what the 2nd amendment is for according to his own words.

>>515701932
He defends religious liberty tho.

>>515702679
>And he simultaneous supports a christran takeover of the government, suppression of religious freedom
Harder to do when the people are armed. Maybe you should rethink your position on guns.

>>515702679
>he simultaneous supports a christran takeover of the government, suppression of religious freedom - either right to follow another religion or none, by promoting a solely christian autocracy in place of secular democratic republic.
There is no way Kirk was this based.

>>515699453 (OP)
I guess just don't give guns to the people who lack free will

>>515703155
No, he promotes christianity above all, that it should be part of state, people should be coerced to support to christian state.

>>515703250
Exactly. Why? What do gun owners do to defend their rights?

>>515703840
After covid he really radicalized, he used to be a libertarian, but he turned hard into a christfag.

>>515699453 (OP)
>Did he basically step on a rake here? He actually created the philosophical justification for his own murder...
He didn't care then, and he doesn't care now.

>>515699453 (OP)
I swear this board attracts the most retarded niggers with the stupidest jewish opinions.

>>515701759
^

>>515704132
We vote you out is what normally happens. Im an atheist but I hope you get murdered

>>515704132
>What do gun owners do to defend their rights?
Whatever we want
You?

Stabbings are unfortunately necessary for us to have the right to use knives in the kitchen

>>515699453 (OP)
This dead faggot made a career out of "debating" in bad faith. You're not going to get good faith, logically consistent arguments out of his toadie followers.

They don't pay attention to logic, only bullets.

>>515699453 (OP)
NO...HE WAS A HECKIN' "MODERATE"

>>515704961
>You're not going to get good faith, logically consistent arguments out of his toadie follower
He doesn't have any followers here. Nobody on /pol/ liked this guy until he died. Everything about this is completely insincere and astroturfed.

>>515699453 (OP)
The founding fathers only intended religious freedom to apply to Christianity. They came from European countries that were being torn apart after the Reformation and had no interest in that happening in the New World. Muslims and Asian shit like Taosim wasn't even a consideration

>but muh john adams letter to some muslim

Bro that's foreign policy, everyone lies

>>515704695
>Whatever we want
Right, kirk basically justifies gun owners doing "whatever" to secure freedom, maintain heritage, etc. He essentially justifies actions like his own murder.

(again, *I'm* not saying this is correct logic, just evaluating Kirk's logic)

>>515704670
You can't "vote" away rights like religious freedom though, that's in the constitution, and what Kirk says the 2nd amendment is for. Protection of freedom from tyranny whether a king or tyranny of the majority that wants to strip the minority's rights.

Such disingenuous framings here

Of course Kirk said guns weren't for murdering people, but allowing guns necessarily opens up the possibility that any lunatic with a gun can shoot up an event, which according to Kirk, is worth the risk to society.

point: people should be able to own guns to protect themselves
counter: but that would open the possibility of any lunatic with a gun shooting up a campus event
rebuttal: yes but that's worth it.

So yeah, he created the philosophical justification for his own murder.

>>515705334
>The founding fathers only intended religious freedom to apply to Christianity
>Also freedom of speech only applies to things the government approves of

>>515705534
>He essentially justifies actions like his own murder.
So the murderer isn't under arrest? Oh.

>>515699453 (OP)
>MIGA
>Christian
>>515704389
JIDF isn't sending their best

>>515705538
Explaining irony to these retards didn't work when they were in middle school English class and it won't work now.

>>515705538
yeah but youre a gay memeflag so your automatically gay and wrong, faggot

>>515705630
Religious freedom meant they didn't care if you were a Quaker or an Anglican and the government didn't pick a side. Muslims and other shitters weren't considered and everyone was assumed to be Christian

>>515699453 (OP)
>>515701168
Charlie Kike's death is a necessity, even desirable. Conservative Americans have been too comfortable up to now to take radical steps against progressives. Until they are put upon death ground, they will not be in the right frame of mind for civil war. They must be made to see Democrats and leftists as an imminent threat to their own lives before they will be roused to action. Just as how Bleeding Kansas and John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry were necessary to convince Southerners to begin arming themselves for the fight, every single act of political violence against prominent right-wing figures should be encouraged, even celebrated.

Charlie Kike has become a martyr, sending as strong a message in death as he did in life. Ya Allah (swt), accept this man from among the shuhada, grant him the highest maqam in Jannah and grant his family sabr

>>515705538
Its not just that kirk would accept his death as a necessary cost, but that he would actually have to defend his own killing as just, its what he actually says the benefit of guns are, not just self defense, but also preserving american heritage and freedom like freedom of religion.

>>515706065
>and the government didn't pick a side
That part
The rest of your nonsense about the government picking a side, not so much.

>>515699453 (OP)
I think there is a grim irony in the statements about the 2nd Amendment. No being pro 2nd Amendment shouldn't get you shot.

I think the administration and allies like Kirk make a huge mistake every time they broach gun control. These things happen whenever they start reaching in and trying to regulate or ban gun ownership. I dont agree with it, it is just an observation Mr FBI man sir, I obey the commander in chief and follow US law thank you

>>515705787
That is irrelevant.

>>515706369
Its not really just about being a 2nd amendment absolutist alone. but the combination of that and also being a christrian supremacist, wanting to install a christian state to coerce people into supporting the christian church state. Its like promoting hammers while being a nail.

>>515706065
And kirk used to spout this same shit all the time, he was part of a movement to bulldoze America and rebuild it as a white Christian nation "like it used to be".

I don't know why the right or conservatives try to hide their intentions or be sneaky about it.

>>515706237
banning blacks and leftists would reduce gun crime to the threat of death by lightning strikes
FACT

>>515706844
>That is irrelevant.
Law is a punishment, not a deterrent.
Of course criminals still exist, disarming law abiding people won't change this.

>>515699453 (OP)
>Be catholic
>Tell retards to only make friends with their slave masters
>They share your ideology
>they are your true friends
>Treat them like shit every day
>Work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day
>They still poor

>Be everybody
>fighting over the inability to respect another person's lifestyle choice
>no sex
>no money
>with people that make them unhappy and upset

>Be Me
>Sex 1-2 times a week
>Money
>Freedom

Fuck you for rejecting me.
And FUCK YOUR FAKE RELIGION
AND FUCK YOUR JOBS
AND FUCK YOUR GOVERNMENT
AND FUCK YOU FOR TREATING ME LIKE SHIT

>>515706844
I think I can be more concise, Kirk wanted to end separation of church and state, end religious freedom, while simultaneously promoting guns as a just way to protect your freedom from the state.

Not only would he say his death is worth cost, but that he killing is actually morally correct.

*I* don't think it is, I'm just analyzing Kirk's logic.

>>515707656
No, what the law is or should be is not relevant to my argument. Its about what Kirk's flawed moral framework would determine is right wrong, regardless of if that is reflected or respected by laws. And its interesting that Kirk's own moral framework would justify his own killing.

>>515708224
>And its interesting that Kirk's own moral framework would justify his own killing.
It doesn't because:
>>515707656
>Law is a punishment, not a deterrent.

>>515706844
Yeah. See thats the thing. I think Kirk definitely supported authoritarian policies, but he was not himself a National Socialist (I dont think anyway) but he was certainly affiliated with and helping an organization that is authoritarian and nationalist and thats definitely like helping the hammer when youre a nail