Thread 515702897

Why should I feel any empathy for a dead psychopath?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-001900786.html

Don't. Just acknowledge that killing people is bad.

>>515702897 (OP)
I like how you didn't finish the quote. Classic.

>>515703054
But Kirk thought gun deaths were a perfectly acceptable trade-off for "muh rights" so is it in his case?

>>515703157
its just "word that means good is actually bad now because I reframed it like that uhhhhh pay attention to me".

he has another one where he parses a difference between hope (good) and optimism (bad). its a basic rhetorical trick and not even right-wing.

>>515703318
When did he say that gun deaths weren't bad? Just say that killing him was bad. Why is that so hard for you?

>>515702897 (OP)
he's dead, how can i empathize with a dead man?
his faggot tranny cuck killer will have a hilarious trial, be found guilty, sentenced to death and be executed. kirk will be a martyr, his message will live on, as will his family.
can't say the same for the faggot that shot him.
lots of bulges to notice in prison at least owo

>>515703054
Eh...some people have it coming though.

>>515704614
saar some people have it coming saar they redeemed saar

>>515702897 (OP)
why do leftists lie and play pretend? hes said a lot of shit you could just go with verbatim, but instead you leave off entire quote and context for some weird gotcha. do you feel good with this kike way of arguing?

>>515702897 (OP)
Are people trying to use the idea of empathy to force you to align with his politics after his murder? Is that a bad thing? Then you agree with his statement you dumb fuck.

>>515703318
If you’re trampling over his warm corpse to push a gun point, just like lefty troons do with dead children, the only response you can actually give is exactly that.

>>515702897 (OP)
You shouldn't. He was a heartless Zionist rightoid and his kids deserved to watch him die for pissrael.

>>515702897 (OP)
If the family has any decency, his tombstone will be engraved with *notices bulge*
Continue his legacy of laughter in death

>>515703054
Killing him was "unfortunately" worth it to keep him from talking more.

people dying is good

>>515704475
pathetic rightoid cope

>>515704614
Like you

>>515702897 (OP)
You should only feel loss at the fact that Whites can't hold Charlie accountable for his long list of anti-White crimes and then hang him. It was a rope for White hands to tie, not for some maniac faggot who believes everything jude say and just wants to murder someone.

Self-indulgent murder isn't justice.

https://files.catbox.moe/zxoecq.mp4

>>515702897 (OP)
weird how people don't post the thing about he said right after this

>>515707555
Why didn't you post it if it's that relevant, nigger?

>>515707555
Cherry picking leftards in damage control.

Why do people pretend they don't understand the difference between empathy as Kirk meant it and genuine empathy? What Kirk means is the narcissistic impulse to use "empathy" and shame to control or subdue others, which is the leftist and feminine standard operating procedure.

>>515709259
So he doesn't understand not only the concept, but definition of empathy? Didn't change much. Sociopathic behaviour, glad he's dead and not grooming kids into sociopaths like himself.

>>515709259
What a retarded take. I'm sure many people have felt being shot in the throat.

>defended the talmud
>shilled the holocaust myth
>justified the nuremberg trials and atomic bombing of japan
>explicitly rejected white nationalism and white identity as anti-American
the right in America is entirely jewish

>>515702897 (OP)
How does this quote continue?

>>515703054
It's not bad killing evil racist whites who wants you dead.

>>515702897 (OP)
So you think he's correct and that empathy is wrong?

You want him dead because he agrees with you?

>>515710053
https://files.catbox.moe/zxoecq.mp4

>racist?

>>515709664
Theyre just looking for ways to justify the deaths of their political opponents.

They'll come up with whatever they have to do it.

>>515710053
We don't want you dead. We just don't care about you and want you away from us.

You expect people to treat you like they're your children.

>>515703318
>>515702897 (OP)
you want the gun nut, violent facist, alt far right to start killing leftists?

Empathy and sympathy are the same thing. Change my mind. This pretentious hair splitting bullshit (“gender is like sooo different from sex okaaay”) is why people hate trannies btw.

>>515703552
Hah, I'd take it that optimism was the good one and hope is the bs, because hope is often baseless.
Empathy is natural, but it is being weaponized against those who have it. Hence so many women are voting lefty bs for the feels and how the pc crap was snuck in.

>>515702897 (OP)
Read the rest of the quote libtard. No wonder you couldn't beat him in open debate

>>515702897 (OP)
>Why should I feel any empathy for a dead psychopath?

you're a psychopath yourself.

>>515707175
Eww.... Why does the left hate him, they should be sucking his dick

>>515709839
He’s right you dumb Troon.

>>515710053
Same to evil racist blacks who want us dead. We wouldn't have any of these issues without abrahamic conquer and divide.

>>515702897 (OP)
I recognize this style of b8

>>515710837
They aren't, either in use or concept. Empathy means you understand what the person is going through, sympathy means you are just offering some supportive words

>>515711047
Nope. Got anything more to regurgitate, or?

>>515710979
NPCs don't seem capable of discerning reality on their own, and the 'left side' of the judeocracy liked to paint Charlie as some sort of pro-White fascist. Then the 'right side' NPCs can't discern the reality of juish control, so they blame 'the left'

And so it goes.

>>515711382
True. Easier when you realize it's all by design, then the pieces fit and seem less bizarre

>>515702897 (OP)
Charlie is once quoted out of context.

He said, paraphrased, that "empathy is retarded and sympathy good" and he is completely right.

He was talking about the fake and gay """"empathy"""" weaponized by you psychopathic oikophobe retards.

>>515711743
Speaking of quoting and context, here have a gander. Lefty faggot practically killed one of his own.
https://files.catbox.moe/zxoecq.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/d5xonx.mp4

Disingenuous post.

"I can't STAND the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term, and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion, and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. compassion allows for understanding." -Charlie

You are implying he deserves no empathy for being shot because of the (shortened) quote.

He is nitpicking the literal word, not the meaning.

You all love nitpicking words.

Do you believe that you don’t deserve empathy/sympathy if you are shot?

>>515702897 (OP)
>I don't like this word
>so you're saying you don't like that concept?
So if someone doesn't like racial slurs they're a racist? Fucking morons.

>>515709259
I have no sympathy for this tiny faced fuck

>>515702897 (OP)
>>515703157
>>515703552
lol, it's pathetic. they don't even finish the sentence from Charlie, much less context.

>>515712184
If ur nice u deserve both sympathy and empathy
If ur a big stupid meanie with an ugly face then no

>>515712720
You're not on a first name basis, you faggot. What is wrong with you people

POST THE FULL QUOTE, FAGGOT. YOU WONT.

>>515709259
lol that makes it worse, psycopaths are great a feigning sympathy but they can't feel real empathy

>>515713081
It's not that good. He posted the relevant part

"37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. " - J Town

You're a bad person and if you don't fix it you are damned. That's why you should have empathy for everyone.

>>515712886
Why not? I call Mel Gibson, Mel. I call Vince Vaughn, Vince.

>>515711361
Going to join the 41 percent you fucking bulgar rapebaby?

>>515703054
Killing people is bad and also he deserved the shit out of it.

>>515702897 (OP)
>Conscience is a Jewish invention.
Charlie Kirk

>>515702897 (OP)
Empathy is a sin.

>>515702897 (OP)
You're proving the point all the more. It's easy to take a random out of context line and make it something it isn't. And that's all the majority can do regarding Kirk. You posted the fucking fact check while still taking it out of context. Good job proving every point he made you retarded leftist fags.

>>515713692
>That's why you should have empathy for everyone.
Shut the fuck up nigger. Justifying evil is an abomination to God. It even explicitly says showing partiality to the poor is a sin. Completely debunks empathy faggotry.

>>515714726
Are you sure you aren't worshipping a demon?

>>515702897 (OP)
One thing the ruling class loves above all else is ‘debate’. Although the rule of law came about as a consequence of the bourgeoisie getting sick of being thrown in jail by whimsical aristos, today’s elites, all of them, know that the law is always on their side, regardless of whether they are really old school feudal elites or only posh since the last 300 years. Debate is class war, as determined by them. ‘Debate’ is what future arms dealers are taught to engage in, how future prime ministers are taught to eradicate all residual human feeling, how judges are able to sleep at night and how the powerful are able to pretend that the normal running of things is in any way ‘fair’. When the 2011 Eton entrance exam asks 13-year-old boys to hypothesise being Prime Minister and to defend the shooting dead of protesters, we catch a glimpse of this taught moral flexibility:

The year is 2040. There have been riots in the streets of London after Britain has run out of petrol because of an oil crisis in the Middle East.

Protesters have attacked public buildings. Several policemen have died. Consequently, the Government has deployed the Army to curb the protests. After two days the protests have stopped but 25 protesters have been killed by the Army.

You are the Prime Minister. Write the script for a speech to be broadcast to the nation in which you explain why employing the Army against violent protesters was the only option available to you and one which was both necessary and moral.

>>515702897 (OP)
1 - You could be another psycho and feel threated yourself
2 - Coulde be a shill for a psycho with money or in a position of power
3 - Could be a gullibe idiot buying into the stance of pos.2

>Great are the tasks of the National Government in the sphere of economic life.
>Here all action shall be governed by one law: the Volk does not live for the economy, and the economy does not exist for capital, but capital serves the economy and the economy serves the Volk!

- Charlie Kirk

>>515710837
Empathy = "socioeconomic factors are what lead that black man to kill the gas station clerk"
It's literally a condemnable sin to even use this logic according to the Bible.

>>515714954
But unfortunately for everyone else, this kind of imaginative exercise doesn’t remain hypothetical for very long. These people move from volatile scenario on page to violent action in real life without ever encountering people who might have reason to protest, protected as they are by gated communities, boarding schools, poorly-treated nannies, private education, money to burn, member’s clubs and, above all, money, assets and private property. Being trained to argue anything so long as it preserves the existing order is the definition of law as practiced by the state. The moral flexibility that private schools and debating societies teach is the rhetorical lubricant that ensures that the ruling class will always win. No one else will ever win ‘the debate’ because the entire purpose of debate is to prevent anything truly disruptive from happening, all the while masking real violence from being seen. While Britain brutally colonised half the globe, its posh young men were learning to equivocate over glasses of sherry. Just as the police are trained to regard members of the public as dangerous, incomprehensible beings best handled at the end of a baton, so the people who give them orders are trained to eliminate all normal human feeling. The notorious hierarchy and cruelty of British boarding schools is no coincidence: how else to treat the rest of the world as inferior without having internalised a hard, intractable kernel of inhumanity inside your soft young self? Debate is merely one disciplining technique among many, but it’s a technique that runs all the way up from school to court to parliament.

>>515713896
Join the .30-06 percent, chink-owned nigga.

>>515715042
If anyone deviates from the ‘rules’, that is to say sees the debate-form for the sham it is, or takes to the streets, displacing the imposed ‘platform’ for the construction of a new order, then the true face of all those who defend ‘debate’ is revealed: suddenly those who are most powerful pretend that they are under siege by those who are ‘unreasonable’ – we see this lately at universities where those with bigoted views pretend that they are forced to pull out because of the menace of protest, to cities when politicians responding to the riots fall over themselves not to understand why people might resent being killed and harassed by police officers who never suffer any consequences.

Debate is a cover-story: never having to be honest about your true intentions while pretending to be open-minded. Debate dissociates argument from passion; phony talking-points from real life. There are multiple things we do not agree about – and we also disagree with the way in which you want us to say it. The narrowness of the debate-form allows those with power to dictate the boundaries of ‘reasonable’ discussion and ignore (or police) everything that happens outside it. But really, from Oxbridge to courts to government, we can easily see it’s not a debate, it’s a war.

>>515714563
This.
Unlike all their own fake martyrs they have finally created a real one, anathema to all the left values.

>>515714726
"44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

Skill issue, you're on the normie path to destruction and Hell is forever.

>Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the peoples of this world, his crown will be the funeral, wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, devoid of human life, as it did millions of years ago.
>Nature, the eternal, takes merciless vengeance on those who defy her laws. Therefore, I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In resisting the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.-

- Charlie Kirk

>>515702897 (OP)
He had a right to speak.
The biggest thing coming out of this is the left seeing EXACTLY what they have become.
Every event removes more leftists from the left.

>>515714867
Leviticus 19:15
You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor

Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just,
Both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.

>>515714436
It wasn't six million, but it should have been
This is why Kirk getting a third fuckhole adjacent to his first is a good thing

>>515715164
None of this has anything to do with empathy, nigger. Empathy used to justify sin (which is what leftists really mean by empathy) is an abomination.

>I don't see much of a future for the Americans... it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problems, and the problem of social inequalities... my feelings against the Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance... everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a state like that to hold together?

- Charlie Kirk

>>515715127
Solidly delivered. Let's see that warrior ancestry come alive!

>>515715688
You're adding that in to avoid doing what Christ said to do. I never said anything about endorsing sinful behavior. I'm doing the opposite by rebuking you aren't I?

"15 If ye love me, keep my commandments." - J Town

>>515712184
The full quote is more damning as it reveals Charlie Kirk, like any true blue psychopath, never understood what "empathy" actually meant. He confused it even in an abstract.

>>515716029
Your original argument was that we are to have empathy for everyone, the Bible NEVER commands that and actually condemns it. I don't CARE what faggy emotions are running through your gay fallen mind, I seek communion with God not other humans. I have zero responsibility to "put myself in your (ignorant) shoes"

>>515702897 (OP)
Empathy hasn't done anything for anybody ever,if you think it has any merit in the real world then you are delusional. Sympathy is were its at. It's a more actionable emotion to have and it's being replaced by empathy by the emotion jew to make people lobotomized apathetic, lazy, indolent, passive, inactive, dormant, and resigned cattle for their herd.
I don't agree with a single thing charlie k has ever said but this.

>>515716341
Romans 12:15
>Rejoice with those who rejoice; weep with those who weep.

You've never read the Bible so you can stop pretending to be a Christian online.

>>515716229
Empathy is to take on the mindset and so-called reasonable emotions another has. That is new age faggotry and irrelevant. i don't care if Tyrone grew up in a poor ghetto in a gang territory, if he shoots an innocent he is still evil and needs punished like any other. This is the biblical teaching on it.

>>515716341
Love thy neighbor as thyself.
What does the word "empathy" mean?

>The attribution of one's own feelings to an object.
In other words, treating others as yourself which Jesus said was very important.

"12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

>>515716856
>i don't care
Yes, you don't care.
Jesus said if you love him to care.

>>515703318
this is what's pissing me off about all these stupid fucking out of context quotes that are circulating: the headline just says "gun deaths." It's not like he's saying elementary schools getting shot up is worth it it's just "gun deaths" so who knows what the fuck that includes. Hunting accidents, cops shooting people, the le gangs, and frankly if that's his position it seems like a perfectly reasonable take

wow I can't believe it's actual propaganda

>>515702897 (OP)
I'm pretty sure this quote is about how the justice system releases criminals out of empathy that eventually lead to more deaths.

he's not wrong, empathy is a word that kinda implies that it is sufficient when empathy without morals, knowledge and thinking, isnt worthless but largely limited and insufficient, hence all the dumb women with the heart at the right place asking for shit that would ruin the world. they should rather speak of morality, but leftists are actually rather immoral, hedonistic and selfish so cant do that.

masculine morality>>>>feminine empathy

women would feel pity for ted bundy if he scratched his elbow and bled, and they wouldnt feel empathy for a dude in prison who fought against tyrants, because it sonly emotionally based and rather short term.

so charlie kirk isnt wrong here but as usual democrats only resort to manipulate young weak minds with petty rhetoric

>>515716701
Weep = sorrow/grief
Rejoice = joy
Sharing in the joy and sorrow of others is different than sharing in their emotions that lead to sin you demon. Which is exactly what leftists mean when they say "empathy"

>>515717485
>"If I redefine empathy to mean something it doesn't then you're wrong!"
Oh no it's retarded!

>>515717485
>Sharing in the joy and sorrow of others is different than sharing in their emotions
This is actual schizophrenia.

>>515717122
I care that Tyrone is poor, I DONT care that that fact influenced him in his DECISION to commit evil, you evil demonic justifier of the wicked.

>>515717388
I was apparently wrong: >>515709259

>>515703054
No. Sometimes there's justice in murder. Charlie Kirk got what he deserved. He was a fascist with increasingly extreme views and putting him down was for the good of this country. This shit is pure patriotism.

>>515717485
Fun fact: you can double your joy by sharing it an reduce your sorrow in half by sharing it.

>>515717674
You don't care that Tyrone is poor or you'd love Tyrone as yourself.
When Tyrone sins, because he loves himself, he forgives himself and tries to understand why he sins.
You do not love Tyrone.
You are no son of God.
I'm out of Viper :(

>>515703552
All empathy means is that you understand how someone feels about something, how it is currently being used is to simoly allow someone to do something that makes them feel good without regard to if it is beneficial to themselves ir detrimental to those around them

>>515717611
You are a dumb fucking demon. Sharing in joy and sorrow is indeed genuine empathy. Suspending moral judgment by putting yourself in their shoes, is NOT and is a grave sin. You leftists are the ones who redefined empathy to lean the latter and it's obvious that is what Kirk was getting at.

>>515702897 (OP)
We ask ourselves the same about every dead muslim.
But at least Charlie was nonviolent.

>>515703552
>its a basic rhetorical trick
exactly like the appeal to empathy, it's a trendy, quasi-intellectual way of humbly identifying yourself as a Good Person™ but it doesn't actually communicate anything

>>515718131
Here he goes, trying to reframe what actually happened to match his schizophrenia.
You said sorrow and joy aren't emotions essentially.
You're retarded lol

>>515709259
What the fuck does he even mean? If you take his quote literally, he negates the existence of both empathy and sympathy. Was he a psychopath?

>>515713692
Empathy means that doing something someone doesnt like so long as it helps them, ie getting a drug addict off drugs instead od encouraging it

>>515703552
Just wanted to say this post made was so dripping with Judaism it me curious enough to actually look up the quote.
> I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy.

Why should I feel any empathy for trannies? You see how this works

>>515718286
>Tyrone dindu nuffin it was socioeconomic factors that caused him to stab that woman in the throat three times
you are on the path to Hell, demon

>>515709664
No, this is not what he meant.
See >>515709259
this psychopath literally doesn’t understand the concept

>>515718448
you shouldnt. Never have empathy for evil. Evil should be destroyed.

>>515702897 (OP)
No one will miss you when youre gone, faggot.

>>515718405
That's not empathy.
Empathy is identifying with another person or thing and treating their own feelings as your own.
ie if the drug addict feels frustrated that you're insisting they get off drugs, you mind your business because you wouldn't like it if someone you disagreed with harassed you.

>>515709259
He was aware of the big emotion jew

>>515718509
Another completely out-of-left-field reach from an utterly BTFO fake Christian. Enjoy the Hell you're urging others towards, Satanist.

>>515718509
I've done my due diligence, good luck.

>>515718333

It's in the context that extending sympathy and empathy that people that want to kill or exploit you is really fucking stupid. Those emotions should only ever be allowed around close family and people that have a shared interest in your group's future.

It's a counterpoint to the lefoid insanity of extending empathy to hostile foreign elements.

>>515718333
>Was he a psychopath?
Yes

>>515718711
You demon replaced the golden rule from "love others as thyself" to "love others the way they want to be loved" which I've seen literal feminazis tell me is the true golden rule, you hellbound demon. That drug addict should be arrested and jailed.

>>515710053
>lost argument
>"you are literally holocausting me reeee you literally deserve to be quartered reeee"
mental illness

>>515718951
You don't want to be loved the way others want to love you.
You want to be loved the way you want to be loved.
But you're too selfish to apply that to others.

>>515719102
If I was a drug addict I pray someone would arrest me and jail me so that I can realize the seriousness of the depravity I am in.
If I was a sodomite faggot I pray someone would tell me that I was going to Hell, I pray they would literally beat me over the head with a bible til I got the picture.
This is what LOVING OTHERS AS THYSELF actually means. Not excusing evil but overcoming it.

The leftist is a spiteful mutant and wishes to destroy the nation from within. Once you understand that, you see all of his actions as what they are-performative manipulation.

>>515719451
Ok but we're not talking about you we're talking about others.
Stop being selfish.

>>515705436
What’s the context

>>515702897 (OP)
who cares what you care about?

leftie? your life, my choice.

>>515702897 (OP)
Me take quote out of context hur hur I am very smart and cool because I'm an epic nihilist who doesn't care when people die

>>515702897 (OP)
Small point

He means without sympathy or compassion.

>>515718826
You are making claims that were never made by him. He isn’t restricting empathy to a specific group. He denies its existence and then claims that sympathy is impossible to exist.

And regarding your claim. Normal humans feel both empathy and sympathy not only to other humans, but also towards animals and fictional characters. Sometime, a group can be excluded from empathy if another emotion overcomes it like vengeance.
What you’re referring to, is putting emotions under control so you don’t act solely on your feelings. That’s a different thing than restricting what you can and can’t feel.

>>515702897 (OP)
My enemy shall fall, Jesus bless me empathy won't stop me, amen
19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy

>>515719595
He's not, you are. Compassion means treating people with objectivity, which means treating them in the way that will be best for them. A drug addict's best interest is to get clean, thus a selfless person would do whatever necessary to get the drug addict clean. Only a selfish person would view the situation in terms of "but drug feel good and me want to feel good", like some sort of deranged caveman with no compassion or reason in his skull.