Thread 515767608

410 feets ? 120m ? Really ?
Was there multiple shooters ?
Amerikans anons ? Do you think a non-professional could have taken this shot or not ?

there is a video that seems to show that the bullet came from behind. dunno if fake, doe

>>515767608 (OP)
no, it's impossible. no sniper could not have taken that shot. chris kyle himself couldn't have taken a shot that difficult

>>515767608 (OP)
There are probably millions of hunters in America that could hit a human sized target at 120 meters. Stop being retarded.

>>515767608 (OP)
The shooting wasn't real. It was a glow op and nearly everyone bought it.

>>515767608 (OP)
Have you shot a rifle before? I've only shot shitty .22's with iron sights at targets maybe 100-150 feet away on a handful of occasions in my life and from that I'm certain I'd make that with a better rifle/optics and a couple practice sessions. This was no incredible feat, infract I'm convinced he aimed for the head and missed.

>>515769485
You're retarded anon. You have to account for bullet drop and wind.

>>515767608 (OP)

120 meters is nothing, people shoot up to kilometers as amateurs. Guns have existed for centuries now, if you couldn't properly hit a target less than a tenth of a kilometer away they wouldn't be as useful as they are. Have you never went shooting? You could hit that very easily with an AR, much less a bolt-action rifle.

BLACK GENOCIDE... NOW!!!!!!!!

>>515769607
Yes I'm retarded that's my point, it wouldn't take a professional to hit Charlie at that range with that equipment. The fact he missed the headshot means he was a retard like me.

>>515769485
Yeah I know but it's weird as fuck. It's seems according to multiples sources it was his first sniper shot. Meaning, taking the wind, slope, and many other parameters, it totals to like -5% chances of hiting the target

>>515769607
It's .30-06 bro, what bullet drop at 120m? This is really exposing all of the city dweller Americans that imagine "bullet" as a 9mm tiny piece of tin shot out of a switched out glock.

Use your brain burger.

>>515769934
what about the direction from which comes the bullet ?! It doesn't seems to come from where the shooter was

theres literally pictures of him as a kid with guns,he was a yank gun lover,stop coping

>>515770413
for you he acted with no clear motive ? Or ((they)) killed him because he was becoming too based and was too influencial ?

>>515770061
Nobody aims for headshots so long as the body is on sight.

It's 10 hours since we found out who the guy is,. and we have:

family photos
childhood photos
friends statements
old social media posts from family with pictures of him
various records of his past and education
his attendance/allegiance to various causes

feel like we have a pretty rough overview of who this guy is.

After the Butler shooting, we similarly waffled for a day or two waiting on final identification.

And after that, we got:

2 photos
A blackrock video
he may have been at a gun range, or at Lowes, before going to the rally

Nothing else really ever came out of the Butler shooting, and none of the information about the Kirk-shooter is due to him still being alive.

Why the huge difference in information landscape between two similarly aged criminals who came up on Discord and hentai porn?

>>515769485
The angle window was probably tight though between the height of the roof and the depth of the amphitheater with a building in between. Charlie was sitting pretty far back into the tent.

>>515770630
In which case he still missed
>>515770794
The angle is something a pro would take into account. Charlie being obscured by the tent I accept though, I saw an image from that perspective and thought the same that it might've been difficult to see him in full. Still, I don't think there's anything to suggest he's a professional sniper.

>>515767608 (OP)
Army weapons qual has targets out to 300m. Most targets are beyond 120m. They use an AR instead of a bolt action long rifle.
120m is piss easy to hit with a zeroed sight long rifle. You could probably teach a teenager breathing and trigger techniques for 5 minutes and they'd hit that target the first time they shoot in their life

>>515770133
What retard website did you get that from?
You don't need to do windage for 120m, especially not with the bullet weight he was using.
Also you seem to assume where he was aiming, which zero people have any clue about

>>515770137
>It's .30-06 bro, what bullet drop at 120m?
.30-06 is not really that flat of a cartridge, compared to something like 5.56

>>515771691
>What retard website did you get that from?
it's grok 4, yeah it's kinda shit. So you think he could have taken this shot alone ? Or was there multiple shooters and it was JFK 2.0 ?

>>515771971
It's easy af to take alone. Fucking HS kids in basic training hit 120m and further with no assistance on a weapon platform with less effective range.
120m is not a "sniper shot" as you claim. That's normal engagement distances. Army service rifle effective range is like 500m. Snipers are engaging at like 1km.
What would he need a second person for?

>>515772668
idk anon the video looks weird. It doesn't seems the shot comes from in front of him. He was really deep in the tent. The shooter was placed at least 30 feets up. Anyways the guy they arrested seems like a scapegoat, and the real shooter is currently dancing in a nightclub with epstein at tel aviv

taking the nature of this question into account, i think the guy actually compensated for bullet drop but found out how cheese it is.

>>515767608 (OP)
>non-professional
Professional what? Murderer? Real life isn't a Marvel movie, retard. Any asshole can shoot a rifle.

>>515767608 (OP)
real shooter was right next to him. the roof shooter might've put a shot out but it wasn't the one that killed charlie

>>515773395
didnt most of the bystanders flinch when he started dying or around the blood spurt?

>>515769485
He most likely aimed for centre mass i.e his chest

>>515772991
I'm telling you unequivocally it was an easy shot. He even had a clear silhouette due to the white background.

>>515773293
>bullet drop
This is some videogame logic. Bullets fly in a parabola. They'll be higher or lower than the aimpoint depending on distance and what distance you're zeroed to. At 120m the bullet was likely higher than his aimpoint unless he zeroed for that distance specifically, which is possible given the time he had to plan. Most likely he was aiming for Charlie's chest

>>515767608 (OP)
its funny you mention it.. If you noticed the amount of blood the gushed out of his neck... the target entry point very well could have been the jugular vein... now take the distance AND position into consideration. It has trained shooter all over it.

the bullet used will confirm this... but the damn pentagram shaped auditorium makes me think its all a show.... gotta make context somehow..

200 yards at elevation, was definitely aiming center mass, flinched as he trigger pulled which made him miss high and to the right -- the most common way to pull that kind of shot in a pressure situation, very understandable to anyone who has shot a gun.

Mausers are super accurate to the point that retards can hit targets with them.
You guys are no guns as fuck. I wouldn't call the shot rudimentary but a professional hitman? lol no. This is a shot any 15 year old who has been hunting a handful of times can make (he missed, just luckily remained on target)

Sniper world record is over 2 miles
I guess someone growing up as republican should be able to make that shot with a little practice

>>515767608 (OP)
I could have landed that shot and I have barely any shooting experience

>>515774480
You're conflating where the bullet landed with where it was intended. Professionals would target the center chest to hit vital organs it the T-zone in the head for instant lights out. Nobody aims for the jugular

>>515774168
Nigga don't bother. I taught marksmanship on a range for 4 years but everyone here is a ballistics expert from their gacha and kino so you'll just get drowned out. Sorry that you are the only anon making any sense.

>>515767608 (OP)
I know a legit retard that could make that show with a bow at 70 yards.

>>515775215
Appreciate it. I figured I'd rather inform that just let people marinate in ignorance

>>515769607
>You have to account for bullet drop and wind.
120m with 30-06 move about 1.2" in moderate wind. It was a calm day so windage near as made no difference.
The rifle is likely zeroed at 100m so the only really ballistic shift is firing from the 3 story rooftop. Even at a 30 degree angle using a 165-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip the 30-06 is getting about 1" of vertical POI shift from elevation.
tl;dr
With a deer rifle at this close range, you just point and shoot. Its an extremely routine shot, the biggest factor being a non-professional lining up a human for the first time. Nerves will cause a bigger change in shot placement than any of the above factors.

>>515772991
Don't forget the book about the shooting published 1 day before it happened.
>no you cannot backdate in Amazon.

Something is fucked with the narrative.

>>515775052
you foooooool..... he's wearing an armor plate. also. People survive shots to face all the time. Bleeding them out is a pro move because chances are, he cant get the emergency care he needs in time.

from that distance you can pick the spot on the target. rifles dont move much...especially modified rifles. Just ask yourself, what military force can get trained soldiers on US soil.... go on (((guess))))

150 yards is nothing. I've hit a man sized target in one shot at 1000 yards. 6 inches off of point of aim.

>>515770133
>wind/slope/corialis compensation at 120m
This is what happens when retards watch too many movies and video games and think they're smart because of it.

>>515767608 (OP)
Just like with Israel's assassination of President Kennedy, the jews will try to constrain all discussion to whether their shiny new Oswald "could have done it."

Which is a deceitful diversion from the *real* question: what was the trajectory of the bullet that killed Kirk, and who was there to pull the trigger?

In other words, the jews want to present their Kapparot chicken to god and claim they're sure the chicken did it - without ever proving *what actually happened*.

>>515767608 (OP)
200 yards is like the shortest distance you can shoot on a rifle range

>>515776211
I'm not sure if you're LARPing as a retard or a real one.

He wasn't wearing armor.
Nobody survives Tzone shots.
Tzone is easier to hit than a jugular.
Rifles move as much as your body does, which is plenty. Even a breath can move it multiple mils which could miss at even the short range of 120m

>>515777704
>200 yards is like the shortest distance you can shoot on a rifle range
UK standardized on 200m for sport shooting. Rigby Rifle Range, Barry Shooting Centre, and others all have 200m lanes.

In north america a lot of our gun clubs have 100m ranges and the AR-15 crowd even fuck around at 25m ranges a lot. PCC people also do a lot of shooting at 25m range. I guess its a tactical distance but I just do 100-300m myself. 25m is for handguns in my view.

>>5971954
at 23 seconds you see a muzzle-flash in the window above the point of his tent, to the left. Timing matches the whole neck exploding part.
Roof guy was likely a spotter, receiving signals from these two schmucks.

>>515776959
Do snipers even bother with corialis? I assumed that was just artillery

>>515778213
His friend on X confirmed he was wearing body armor. Which would make sense if the bullet hit his chest and ricocheted up to enter the neck at that odd angle. (Though I still think it looks like he was shot from his 4:00-high, not directly on.)

>>515778213
How do you know he was not wearing armor? why do you mention T-zone. It was 5-6" inches away from that. My arguement is to prove it was a trained shooter. Not some antifag.

Why not the heart/chest? commercial rifle rounds are small. Notice the lack of anything getting blown off... the round used is precise. not messy. Getting shot in the adams apple would not have made the blood escape like that.

>>515779018
Fuck no dude, shooting is not difficult. Some people are naturally great at it. MOST people miss at point blank because your emotions prevent you from taking a life. Something like 95% of soldiers in WWI and WWII shot way over the enemy's heads on purpose. But those same soldiers could still hit targets at basic training with ~80% accuracy at 3x the range idiots on here are arguing about.

If someone dies to the first shot, you aren't dealing with a "great marksman," you're dealing with "someone who has training and/or a legit psychopath with no empathy."

>>515779018
Usually not, at least not under 1000m shots.
Even long range shooters tend to stick to their local range and have the rifle zeroed in on that range, that same longitude & latitude firing in the same direction every time. If the Coriolis effect is affecting them at all, its accounted for in their zeroing procedure so they don't notice it.

Apparently people who travel a lot for extreme long range shooting events have log books for major cities, or use ballistic software to settle all that for them. And again after flying around the earth they will re-zero their rifle at that specific range anyway, before the competition.

>>515767608 (OP)
IDF snipers target the necks of palestinians

>>515767608 (OP)
Deer hunter here. 120m isn't that long of a shot depending on the caliber and the scope involved. The elevated position does make it a little harder, but not by that much.

>>515767608 (OP)
He would have had to aim about 6 feet above Charlies head to allow for the drop over that distance. He would have had to squint to see him as well, so he would have been almost blind.

>>515780656
>6 feet drop at 120m
You must be a master baiter over at /k/...

>>515767608 (OP)
Brother I can land a 2 inch grouping at twice that while drunk. This isn't a difficult shot, even an amateur can make it.

>>515767608 (OP)
>>515768645

120m is point blank range. If you can't hit a target at that range then you have no business being anywhere near a rifle.

>>515767608 (OP)

It's not a hard shot. Kid had yrs experience with guns tho. If he purposely aimed for the gein than he's a really good shot

>>515780656
have you ever fired a rifle? they are typically zeroed at 200-300m. at that range you put the sight at centre of mass and pull the trigger and you will hit. this was an easy shot that any amateur could pull off.

>>515767608 (OP)
I still think the shot came from the right. Entered through the right side of Charlie's neck and exited the left side.

>>515779655
>how do you know he wasn't wearing armor
Because any armor capable of stopping a rifle round in easily visible in a tshirt.

>commercial rifle rounds are small
You're legit retarded

>>515775750
WHAT ABOUT HUMIDITY YOU DOG-FUCKING ASSHOLE?

>>515767608 (OP)
he must've been a super soldier cyborg from another galaxy to make that shot

>>515769607
Your own breathing would matter infinitely more than wind and bullet drop at that range.

>>515783218
https://www.safeguardarmor.com/products/stealth

??? different bullets leave different entry points... whats the problem?

>>515767608 (OP)
if he was familiar with his weapon, yes. the news said he grew up using guns in his family to hunt. he probably had lots of practice with the one he used

>>515778213
You're trying to sincerely argue with shills who have no interest in truth or in honesty. You're arguing like a white person, as if you can have some mutual connection and agreement about the discovery of truth.

Jews don't care about "truth" at all. Jews see honesty and concern for truth as contemptible weakness. To jews, words are weapons and the only thing that matters is *winning*.

And "winning" to them is the same if you admit defeat, or if you get so tired of their endless lies and bullshit (called "pilpul") that you simply give up and leave.

Whoever gets to write the history - even if it's a physically impossible lie (helloooo Holocaust) - is "the winner."

Jews are taught that it's *holy to lie to god* and claim "a chicken did it!" to escape punishment for their crimes. And if they'll spew absolute bullshit to their own god, they do not give a single solitary fuck what lies they tell to us.

>>515768645
I could shoot the eye out of a coyote at 100 yds. Prone/supported makes it a lot easier. Aim small miss small.

>>515767608 (OP)
a disabled 8 year old could have made that shot

>>515780656
Shooters are known for their 7.5 grain rounds.

>>515769607
Lol not at that distance. The bullet is in the air for like .1 to .2 seconds. Taking about an inch or so in drop and windage.

>>515767608 (OP)
>Do you think a non-professional could have taken this shot or not ?
It's 120 meters you retard. That's easy as fuck.

>>515767608 (OP)
That's spitting distance for a rifle.

Allegedly the longest confirmed sniper kill is over 4000m

Before that it was about 3.5km.

>>515781738
This, even if it was zeroed at 100m, it would only have 3 - 4" drop at 200m

>>515769607
>Bullet drop on a 30-06
>At 120 meters.

>>515785645
And the longest shot in the US civil war was 1270 meters.

>>515773953
Probably shot for the middle of his head, didn’t adjust the scope and the MOA + Spin drift put it in his neck

>>515786050
>Spindrift
>At 120M

>>515785154
> 8 year old
You mom's aborted fetus could.

I almost wonder if it was a 300m zero and he was aiming center of mass, and didn't compensate for the closer range

>>515778700
you now remember the first person who was suspected to be the shooter
spotted inside the building
with the strap of the gun

>>515784351
I'm aware they're all idiots and liars. This is all recreational

>>515783850
That's not going to stop a revolver round, let alone a rifle

>>515786800
Yea, that guy is all kinds of sus.
>sunglasses inside
>pullover on a hot day
>gunstrap???
>uncomfortable up-dressed shoes incongruous with outfit (quick-change tell.)
And the window-shot from Charlie's side was maybe 50 meters. Easy even with a short carbine that could collapse into an unmarked black messenger bag.

>>515770137
This. At 120m you'd have to account for bullet "rise", not drop

>>515787504
at this point there's a very high probability he was the main shooter and went successfully escaped
the roof dude was spotter/decoy the two dude arrested diversion
the two bodyguard signallers

>>515767608 (OP)
From what we know, the shooter was raised in a pro gun family. He had been experienced with firing guns since he was a kid. So he was somewhat capable. So giving all that, the distance fired and hit is not so difficult for a person familiar with firearms. Also, pure speculation, I reckon even with all that happened, the shooters aim was off. I'd speculate he was going for a head shot, but bullet drop factored into it hitting his neck.

>>515767608 (OP)
120 meters is a nothingburger. I could do that onehanded.

I love reading what people who have never shot a gun in their life have to say about this it's absolutely hilarious. If any of you dumbshits spent an hour on a range with the rifle he used you too would be able to hit that shot. This faggot was shooting guns growing up all the time. Acting like this was some 1,000yd sniper shot that he had to calibrate is hilarious.

>400ft.
>Bolt action in good condition and good scope.


Easy, anyone who would have had an interest in firearms or trained with 400 as engagement distances would easily pull this off.
Stationary target, not making eratic moves, rooftop advantage so you don't miss on fucking up bullet drop calculations.

With an AR you probably wouldn't have the same luck, but rifles are kind of built for accuracy n sheiiiiat.
Also if he practices with that one, or just bought/had it given to him is the only other real variable that matters

>>515768645
400yds is what the vast, vast majority of .mil and veterans train at.
Idk about you goys but the only time in my life targets were ever set at sub 350 I won a cash prize, kek.
The reason for this is the boomer meme of "most engagements happen at 400yds!!"


Also it's very frequent for hunters to hit 300-400 all day with bolt actions.

>>515774883
Held by a Canadian, eh Jerry.
When are we going for round three, eh?


>>515775215
Based teacher.
t. Got made to low crawl for missing.

Also in your experience what percentage of people can do the game where you have 10 items infront of you, you have a few seconds, then their moved around and you have to organise and re-oreint them correctly.
I got it 3/3 and they were kind of upset at it.

>>515776942
Based inch user.

Grid master race.

>>515789162
This.

"Just watch John Wick 1 and 2" should be our response to nonsensical questions, or "hold it with one hand like a space marine"

>>515787820
If I had 4 buddies at a tabletop game that's exactly how I'd play the mission. Bodyguard white signals the questioner when everyone is in position. Bodyguard black holds the phone up so the team can hear Charlie (audience assumes he's recording.) Black signals windage, is told he's a faggot later. Window guy takes a single shot and runs. Spotter watches the aftermath to confirm the hit, then runs. Audience plant makes a big scene. Bodyguards recover body and administer coup des grace on the way to the waiting aircraft. Charlie's corpse promptly delivered to Tel Aviv.

The plan would work even if both gunmen missed. Charlie would be so scared he'd dive into the bodyguard's car and get whacked there.

>>515768197
bullshit
chris kyle was doming niggers 1000m away from atop the superdome during hurricane katrina

>>515767608 (OP)
Hunter here.
I can not believe the ignorance of some of you, especially Americans. 120m for someone with a 30-06 or .308 or any other .30 cal rifle with a scope that is sighted in properly is almost point blank range.
>>515768197
I see what you're doing there. :)

>>515767608 (OP)
Nigga that's rapid fire iron sights from standing position range

>>515787820
Yes. Much agreed.

>>515767608 (OP)
my local range only goes to 200 yards, I plink my .22lr rounds off a 2 4 inch target like nothing.

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>>515775800
I made this, will add yours to it

>>515788433
>From what we know, the shooter
We don't know that the person claimed to be the shooter was the shooter at all.

The government *claims* he was. But they haven't shown any *evidence* to support that assertion.

This is exactly what ZOG did with Oswald and JFK. Provide no evidence, attack anyone who asked to see proof of the jews' claim, then simply declare the crime solved and the case closed.

(BTW, only a few years later a different US Government Commission found the Warren Commission's "Oswald acted alone" conclusion to be bullshit, and officially concluded President Kennedy had been killed as the result of a conspiracy. But by then LBJew had taken over the government enough that the killers and conspirators escaped with zero consequences.)

All we have are jews assuring America "the perp is in the jail."

>>515769607
Hey there nogunz, here's some info: A 30-06 zeroed at 50 yards will be 1.5" high at 100yds, zeroed again at 200 and maybe 2" low at 300. It's a common way for deer hunters in the east to sight in their rifles because most shots are under 300 yards. So, point and shoot.

t.- deer hunter

>>515775800
>Something is fucked with the narrative
Yes. Lying kikes are in control of it.

>>515785154
>a disabled 8 year old could have made that shot
You may be right - maybe that's all the Israelis have left for recruiting now.

>>515792163
very much starting to look like it

>>515767608 (OP)
so many images of him with guns even as a kid.
"multiple shooters" retards still think camera flash in a window was muzzle flash. its all nogunz

You need to be accounting for bullet drop and wind at a decimal scale and doing complex calc equations on the fly to account for the coriolis effect (the rotation of the earth causing a horizontal shift in bullet trajectory). No way the real shooter wasnt a black ops special forces recon sniper

>>515792163
>The plan would work even if both gunmen missed
I agree with your take on how the Mossad kill team functioned, that was about my conclusion too.

Remember the prime directive of any conspiracy (such as this one) is *prevent the discovery of the existence of the conspiracy*.

That's why on 9/11 when the aerial vehicle destined to hit WTC7 instead crashed in Shanksville, after a whole day of pants shitting the jews just demolished WTC7 anyway, and simply had their shabbos goys and golems in the media insist steel-framed buildings regularly collapse.

So had the shooter up and to the right missed, it's likely Kirk would have been killed in a car or ambulance on the way to the hospital, and his death solemnly announced by his killers just the same.

>>515797468
Memeflags are great at attacking as stupid anyone who doubts their claims.

Memeflags are less good at providing anything other than attacks and logical fallacies to back up their claims.

>>515779290
retards actualy arguing hi had no vest?
you can see the impact energy spreading like a wave to his whole torso and shirt
if hi ha no armor the bullet woul go thru his boy
that said the video is AI altered to look more gore

nothing is coincidence moshe. the world is a stage

>>515798847
That very first video released seems pre-rendered, you're right. I get the very distinct feeling that Charlie knew he was going to be "shot," but believed he wouldn't actually.
>Don't worry we're professionals
>Black here was with the President's detail when we "shot" him and everyone believed it
>It'll be a big slow round right to the plate, a beanbag so if by some chance we miss it'll just bruise.
>Yea the crowd always buys the blood packet, they shy away and barely look at it
You see him positioning himself, bracing, just like a Hollywood extra that has no idea extras really die sometimes. Then the EXTRA gore happens and AI artifacts are everywhere and the MSM cycle kicks into high gear with presidential attention.

>>515767608 (OP)
120m is nothing for a rifle shot

>>515768197
I call horseshit. Chris Kyle would've wrestled the entire black population WWE style for an opportunity for THE OPPORTUNITY to have a shot like that.
I bet my ass he would've hit it too

>>515767608 (OP)
120 yards is nothing you stupid fucking niggers holy shit. It's literally "put cross hair on target pull trigger" on a 30-06 bolt gun