Thread 515810982

Computer science major. Fresh out of school and I've spent the whole summer looking for a job. I think I might just give up on using my degree and go work retail or kill myself.
This is supposed to be the most high demand engineering degree, so where are the jobs? Are they really replacing us with indians and AI?

>>515810982 (OP)
sell
pokemon
cards

>>515810982 (OP)
you'll have a job when all the jeets are gone

>>515810982 (OP)
>Are they really replacing us with indians and AI?
Yes. Plot twist: AI stands for Actually Indians.

>>515810982 (OP)
Why did you major in such a low demand degree? Any job involving nothing but a computer can be done by indians for a fraction of the cost

>>515810982 (OP)
Blame immigrants and women. Unironically.

move, nigger

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>>515810982 (OP)
Kek looks like I took your job faggot

>t. h1b

>>515810982 (OP)
>engineering degree
>computer science
pick one

>>515810982 (OP)
get a cs phd

>>515810982 (OP)
computer science fell off like 5 years ago bro. that sht getting replaced by robots and AI. shouldve went into healthcare or something

BLACK GENOCIDE... NOW!!

>>515810982 (OP)
>Computer science major.
>>>>>engineering degree

>>515810982 (OP)
>This is supposed to be the most high demand engineering degree, so where are the jobs?
You're like six years too late. A senior engineer with AI can do his job plus yours and most companies are too short sighted to realize that if they don't have a full pipeline that they won't be up shit's creek without a paddle a decade or two from now when said senior engineers retire. Just keep your skills sharp with personal projects and keep applying. Don't be afraid to broaden your search to different cities or even states. The first job is always the hardest but once you have experience it's easy to parlay that into other jobs. I had to move 400 miles away from my family for five years after college to get my first job 20 years ago. If you're willing to put extra effort in during your 20s, things get a lot easier in your 30s and 40s.

>>515811685
>>515811327
Refreshing to see Americans push back on this. It always baffled me that Americans call programmers "software engineers".

Do you know how to solve every problem in CLRS with your eyes closed and one hand tied behind your back? Barring that, can you at least solve the problems in Karumanchi's books? The latter has one billion mistakes in it, but at least you could hold your own at a coding interview or something.
Paper means nothing unless it certifies you went to MIT. But even China is starting to sober up to this bullshit.

>>515810982 (OP)
THEY LIED AND GAVE YOUR ROLE TO JEETS.
i GOT OUT AND GOT A JOB BEFORE MY CLASSMATES.
SOME OF THEM ARE DEAD NOW.
I SURVIVE.

>>515810982 (OP)
>Computer science

Dead major, it's saturated with way too many subservient jeets who are willing to work longer hours for far less all for the chance to escape their shithole.

Learn a trade become an electrician/technician/machinist whatever just do something with your hands, foreigners can't cheat their way as easily in those sorts of jobs as their is a degree of competency expected

>>515810982 (OP)
lie as a brown jew nigger and everything will be fine simple as
just don't be stupid to not lie and present yourself as the perfect goy for the job

>>515811241
Shalom!

>>515810982 (OP)
Theres like thousands of dei initiatives stopping you from getting a job. Those dei groups bribe companies to hire women and minorities. Youre neither? Sorry chud go work for mcwagies cause it's her turn....to work.

I couldn't get an interview a year, not even in IT, after graduating and entered a NEET era. Mooching off of my family.

Want more $$$ to spend on more useless crap. Training to be a teacher since the pay is not terrible where I am located. Picked up subbing for the mean time now.

Miss rotting in bed.

>>515810982 (OP)
Keep in mind it's only going to get worse every year

>>515810982 (OP)
F

>>515812011
Jewish organizations started both mass immigration and feminism, rabbi.

>>515812040
I qualify under DEI and I'm still not getting interviews. KMS

>>515810982 (OP)
Get into AI you idiot.

I got a job after being in IT for 10 years working with AI and I make more for doing less.

Video related. I've pretty much mastered how AI works and can make it do pretty nifty things.

>>515810982 (OP)
Hacker News is very angry you might take a job away from an H1B Indian.

If you’re struggling to find work, just get a CDL for the time being. They’ll fucking hire anyone with a pulse.
If a jeet that made an illegal u-turn in a ten ton vehicle who barely spoke English can get it, so can you.

>>515811872
Software engineering and computer science are supposed to be different things. One is supposed to focus on the practical side; actually designing and building applications, while the other is supposed to focus on the theory. The computer scientists are supposed to be the ones working on better algorithms or researching things like new AI. In practice both can do both and day to day you're just programming so like, call yourself whatever you want, but technically there is a difference, and if OP is fresh out of school he probably thinks there's a bigger distinction because he took certain classes and not others and has friends from shared classes that did the same.

>>515810982 (OP)
You shouldn't underestimate the pettiness, narcissism, and solpisistic tendency of the vapid wino HR roastie archetype.

>>515810982 (OP)
Sounds like a you problem

>>515812152
tell me where i can prompt my own animoo porns

>>515812152
> I've pretty much mastered how AI works and can make it do pretty nifty things.
make it turn your skin white.

>>515810982 (OP)
I was looking for a computer science job for 2 years. granted I don't have a degree. You should quickly pivot to a 2 year program for something like accounting or dental hygienist.

>>515810982 (OP)
Just become an accountant or start getting into electrician work

>>515810982 (OP)
CS degrees go in the trash unless you are a valedictorian from a top school, or a visajeet willing to work for minimum wage.

>>515810982 (OP)
I imagine that this would actually be a good answer to the question if you are new. People like someone with a sense of humor.

>>515810982 (OP)
>This is supposed to be the most high demand engineering degree, so where are the jobs? Are they really replacing us with indians and AI?
AI has radically augmented the ability for a handful of developers to provide the same amount of code (now working as debuggers and integrators) as 20 coders used to do, AI effectively killed entry level software developer jobs. Hopefully you have some experience on the hardware side of things, I would look nation wide for jobs in the electronics and systems integration roles, you could maybe find a role as a cyber security specialist if you can justify it in a resume, otherwise you just got sold this generation's art history degree.

>>515811872
>"software engineers".
FR, these niggers never had to take chemistry, physics, mechanics of materials, dynamics, engineering design, four semesters of calculus (software "engineers" took 2) etc. These fuckers live on easy mode back when I was in university in the mid 2010s and swept up all these turbo high paying jobs in Washington, California, NY and rubbed it in my face at graduation, I don't feel that much sympathy for them at this point and am glad that I work in a materials research lab running multimillion dollar instruments like SEMs, OES, Microscopes, etc. it's way too hard to automate these right now, believe me, my lazy ass would've already done it if I could. I bet I am safe for twenty years with how much flexibility my career choice requires, but it only pays okayish.

>>515812410
Well first you need a good GPU. I need a 5090 for a gen like that and it takes 30 ish minutes. Then you can head over to /g/ and read up on the sources they provide on prompts and deep learning. There's different algorithms for what you want to accomplish. It sounds complicated but after a while it will just click.
>>515812444
What a nigger. Crying about AI.

>>515812226
Yeah no shit retard. My point is that none of them are engineers. They're just programmers.

>>515811327
>>515811471
>>515811685
>>515811872
>>515811916

Do any of you jews know if a:
>Systems Engineering Master’s Degree Program

Is also a shit degree? I want to study in harvard extension school and I would line to ask if 41 000 USD is the normal price to get a master Degree in engineering or is just another democrat degree in transgenderism

I like anime

>>515811147
there was an actual AI startup that got found out to just be using 1000 pajeets to create its answers and folded kek
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/builder-ai-collapses-1-5bn-ai-startup-exposed-as-actually-indians-pretending-to-be-bots/ar-AA1FXzsE

>>515810982 (OP)
>so where are the jobs?
Gone. You missed the boat. The bonanza for CS was 20-25 years ago. All the digital infrastructure is built. All the people who built it are either retired or their job now is to maintain it. They are not looking for new people. They don't need you. They can get cheaper versions of you from other countries. Now they have AI so they don't even need to bring in as many foreigners. You want real advice? Pick up a hammer. The actual physical infrastructure of the world is crumbling. Every day countless things in peoples homes fail. The bridges you drive across fail. Rail, power lines, pipes. They all fail. So many people were told the cushy, high paying jobs are behind a desk in an air conditioned office. There are not enough people actually maintaining the real world. That's where you're needed. That's where you'll make money. And they don't have humanoid robots yet that can do all those jobs, YET. So either you take the chance now while it still exists. Or, you can keep believing the people who sold you a piece of paper called a diploma

>>515813437
The term engineering is a pretty broad category. If you're designing and building something you're an engineer. Software engineers are at least on the same tier of legitimacy as civil or chemical engineers, even though most people would call those architects and chemists.

>>515810982 (OP)
CS is the new gender studies. If you didnt get in at the right time you never will again.

>>515811114
blumpft just imported 600,000 chinks tho. their goal is never to make america more white, or to even support white people.

>>515812152
you'll never have sex so go ahead desensitize yourself.

>>515811304
>move to anarchic hellholes full of psychos
kek

I did it when I graduated in the 90s and things weren't so bad. cities like Denver back then were downright pleasant, in fact. you're insane to move to any of the cities on that list now. if you really have to be on-site in a city, move to asia or to europe (though europe is rapidly losing its stability, too). learn mandarin.

>>515810982 (OP)
Lolol should have gotten an MBA. I'm the guy who decides if we can afford more of CSfags. Ooops looks like we aren't hiring. Nothing personal kid it's just dollars and cents

>>515813437
by your reasoning, you're not an engineer if you don't conduct a fucking train

dumb aquafresh clog nigger

>>515813477
harvard extension has never had any prestige, and they are easy to spot (non-White names on a harvard degree, though now all of harvard is non-White DEI garbage)

companies that are hiring competent engineers and scientists auto-reject any Ivy degrees now because they are woke trash and the people holding those degrees are typically violent psychopaths.

systems engineering as a field itself is fine depending on what you are wanting to do. operations management is a big one that pays well.

you need a github with some history of doing stuff on there.

>>515815288
>harvard extension has never had any prestige
that's the only thing I cared :( what avout the in campus programs?

>depending on what you are wanting to do.
Personally I just care about the title. I don't want to graduate from Harvard Extension school and Find out I studied Computer Science 2.0. This is why I am asking,

>>515810982 (OP)
lol, if you cant make something that shows off your skills with all the powers of ai and a fucking degree then you should kys.

MAKE SOME SHIT

your time is worthless anyhow.

DO IT FAGGOT

Start a new website or iot shit or whatever.

If you cant make money for yourself why da fuq you think an employer would think you could make money for them? Coding industry going to bifurcate into those who can reangle ai into 100xing their workload or are so hyper specialized that ai is shit at what they do, and the people who cant adapt and become unemployable.

>>515815396
Like the indian with 10 000 contributions

>>515810982 (OP)
Jews ruined your country

>>515815288
Also forgot to ask. In the U.S a Mayor in Liberal arts has the same value as a Mayor in arts? I want to study a doctoraded later on and the last thing I want is to find out a Mayor in Liberals arts does not grant you that

>>515812971
Trust me, won't be long and you will just be prepping and swapping the samples. AI can and will be better and faster at doing all the actual control and analysis, its just no one has bothered to train a model to do it yet.

Unironically consider the military. Pick the right job, do 3 years of enlisted or 4 if officer, and then never make less than 6 figures again in your life.

>>515815564
is the prestige for use in your home country? in that case, the quality of education doesn't matter, but you're paying a lot of pesos for a piece of paper to wave around in mexico (unless you are pretty sure it will land you a high paying job where you are in CDMX or cee jay en gee or whatever).

you can probably get a better education at an engineering university in DF, not even joking. brasil has some decent engineering programs, too. also remember that things like internships matter in the current job market. if you are attending a university in person, it's going to be far easier to make connections with your professors, attend job fairs, get experience in clubs related to your major, all that.

>>515810982 (OP)
>Computer science major
Computer science colonel here
>20th interview
Rookie numbers

>>515816030
>is the prestige for use in your home country
No, is for the Use in the U.S. The only thing I care is the harvard Title granting me the access to study a doctorade in the U.S (in campus) and not being told a Master Degree in Liberal arts is worth Shit in Harvard .

In short I don't want to see that woman from Blizzard making fun of people because she has PhD in Literature....

>>515815786
almost all schools just have "arts" (bachelor of arts)) as undergraduate conferred, unless you are in science (bachelor of science) or engineering (bachelor of engineering).

same with masters. but some schools confer master of arts in something like computer science, it's just more "old school". similarly, some schools like MIT still confer ScDs (doctor of science) if you so choose, rather than PhD (doctor of philosophy). for all intents and purposes, these degrees are equivalent. bachelors > masters > doctorate > specialized such as JD (doctor of law), MD (doctor of medicine), etc.

so if you're looking at old school programs in ivy leagues (seriously, fuck the ivies though, I'm not joking), they retain more of the old british type system of "arts" degrees for science and even sometimes engineering. but no one really gives a fuck except for people at the local yachtclub.

>>515816338
I don't want to be*

>>515814707
delusional rantings like these are the reason you've never succeeded in life

>>515815898
>Trust me, won't be long and you will just be prepping and swapping the samples. AI can and will be better and faster at doing all the actual control and analysis, its just no one has bothered to train a model to do it yet.
You misunderstood, certain parts of my job, I am a materials scientist btw, AI is already better than I am. If I have a forged block of 4140 steel that I need hardened to 35 Rockwell, AI can scan the relevant reference books within .3ms and make a heat treat recipe that is as good as what can make in 30 minutes reviewing the handbooks or our historic test data, I just have to tailor that for my furnaces and part geometry. By the way the blue collar side is way easier to automate, all I need is a guy to load a stem rack up with parts which means what used to take five workers can be done by one or two reasonably, in practice a robot can be programmed to do all other functions with modern capabilities. But if I need to test that block for grain flow, grain size, spark a part for OES chemistry assessment, and performing the actual hardness test to verify, AI is incapable of doing that and due to the flexibility needed to perform this testing and my modest compensation, there isn't really very much drive to automate it.

>>515816338
credentialism in the US is basically dead at this point, unless you are already in the elite class

actual credentialism will come from your lineage and/or how much capital you can acquire. if you come from good blood (you don't, because you wouldn't be asking these questions) or find a way to make a lot of money, then that's the only thing that will matter for respect here these days. so if you want respect you just need to make money. unfortunately, you cannot purchase the lineage, as you will forever be nouveau riche.

decades ago, saying you attended harvard, or obtained a doctorate from CalTech or some shit used to mean a ton in even casual discourse. it means basically zilch, zero, nothing now.

>>515810982 (OP)
I'm so sorry, you left school while we're in a recession. This was one of my worst nightmares. Do what you can brother. Just survive for now. I don't know if things will improve, I don't know if this world will ever make more sense, it's looking like it's going to be a longer ride than any of us imagined. Do your best, and find love where you can.

>>515816947
>>515816338
I will say though that something like your h-index or i10-index does matter if you are going into academics. princeton phd in astrophysics? meh. h-index of 50? dayuuum, son.

>>515810982 (OP)
Damn, you should try getting some experience.
I typically get one phone screen for every 4 applications I send out.

Just took a new gig, paying in the upper 100s.

>only a few months
Im sure youll get one in another uhhhhh 8 months, if youre lucky?

>>515817179
interesting to think about all the people who were doubly/triply hit by dotcom in 99-01, subprime crash 07-08, covid 2020-2021

>>515810982 (OP)
IT is a blessing for countries with real wages and a curse for countries with inflated wages.
US: IT gets you $5k/m, driving a truck gets you $5k/m, you pay $4k for living
BRICS: IT gets you $2k/m, driving a truck gets you $1k/m, you pay $0.5k for living

>>515810982 (OP)
I am a senior FS dev, with 2 masters and 6 years of relevant experience under my belt. I've been laid off 2 times in the past year (companies going bankrupt), and have been unemployed for 3+ months.

Idk what to say, senpai. I unironically am considering going into trades, or becoming a farmer, but i lack the funds to do the latter. I've sinked my last 15ish years of my life into a career that seems to be going down the drain because everyone outsources to indians (yes, even here). Daily wages have been dropping since 2022, by as much as 50-60%, while inflation has skyrocketed. Shit's insane.

>>515811872
>I dont know what a thing is so it must be fake
I bet you think CEOs do nothing too

Ask /g/ instead of /pol/fags

>>515810982 (OP)
Yes. Companies are spending huge amounts on AI and replacing locals with Indians to help fund it more as Indians do the job cheaper.
Microsoft for example is really upset that turnover isn’t high enough so they are making people go back to the office even though it has been over 5 years with a working remote policy and productivity AND profits are higher than ever.

Old guy I work with told me companies have been going in cycles of firing Americans to offshore since at least the 80. Work always comes back in a few years bc quality is so shit. He isn’t sure the jobs are coming back this time as AI will be doing them

>>515816396
>bachelor of science) or engineering (bachelor of engineering

I just found Pic related ans find out that harvard does offer bachelors and master in science and technology, as expected those are in campus, so I assume Harvard Extension Online is a pajeeet tier school like you mention since they only offers Mayors In liberal arts and nothing else.

>>515810982 (OP)
Most college kids just don't think about this but you were supposed to secure a job before graduation silly. Now all the good ones are already taken this year.

>>515817665
something to also think about: employers know which degrees are offered as things such as extension programs at schools. so something like a mexican with a harvard degree in a common degree offered by the extension program.... red flags. not saying that the programs themselves are bad or that you won't learn things, but you aren't getting the prestige that you are seeking. and especially with all that money you are spending.

even though you should stay out because we're full, if you actually want to get prestige with an american university, you should get a masters or phd in mexico or brasil, then come here for a postdoc or something like that.

but in reality you shouldn't chase prestige, because it serves no purpose. and if you want a fake or easy to obtain version of prestige, it won't impress people who know what real prestige is. anyway, good luck on your academic journey, just be wary of these extension type programs. if you want the education or to see what you will be learning, just use an OCW (open course ware) for free online from MIT or Stanford or something like that. there are a ton of full courses from top universities online, for free.

>>515818046
also most college kids just don't think about this but you were supposed to be born to a very unique minority tribe and also with huge tits and a bunch of other immutable characteristics that are more important than performance metrics

>>515817659
I dont understand how and why this keeps happening. I've had to clean up after indians too. I've seen a login page that made 200 (!!!) calls to the backend for each login. (They did an SQL query for each field they needed to select then lined them up on the FE). Retardation like this shouldn't happen, idk how it isn't caught during development (i suspect because the managers are also indians or retarded women who fear being called racist). And yes this code was shipped and in prod

>>515811327
CS math stops at Calc 2

lmaooo. mongoloid code monkey upset indian kids and AI codes better than him

>>515818092
Thanks for your help anon, I would screenshot your post to save them for later since I am feeling a bit down right now, at leadt thanks for being concise and also good Night

>>515818385
you know why there's a "tensor" in tensorflow, right

>>515818559
you're welcome. it's just my honest opinion. for you personally, perhaps something like harvard extension really is the best path. if I were you, I'd do some more research by maybe finding forums or getting in touch with people who graduated from the program, or ask some employers what they think about it. I just think there are better ways. also, since you mentioned pajeet filter, yes, almost every single person I have met with a harvard extension degree is a pajeet who would not have been able to "hack it" for an actual onsite degree. but maybe it is good enough to wave around in front of people back in their giant toilet country. good night, good luck!

>>515810982 (OP)
No wonder Sayori acked herself.

>>515818585
you act like youre smart cause you are talking about tensors.

I have no CS degree yet I can manipulate tensors and matricies better than the average cs monkey with no job prospects

>>515810982 (OP)
its over for this
I have a an app in the app stores that makes me money and on my company email I get 1-2 jeet mails a day wanting to work for me
its just too oversaturated

CS PhD here with a decade plus industry experience.

I ended up going to law school and doing patent trials and appeals. I earn more than 1.1million usd/year. My life is unfulfilling now but I retire before I am 50 and get to do whatever the fuck I want.

Seek revenge on industry. Sue them and take their assets.

t.

>>515810982 (OP)
>Computer science major.
Have you tried not being a tranny?

Average nigger with CS degree thinks they deserved 70k/yr when they cant even solve a basic linked list or binary tree problem

they go web dev. Doing shit even a 5 year old in indian can do. chat gpt can create you any website in 1 text prompt. Write any script or framework for algorithm. Cs fags are finished

Good riddance

>>515810982 (OP)
Become a machinist.
AI won't replace you any time soon.

>>515819616
Send me $200 if you arent frauding

>>515814707
No Chinese company would ever hire a white piggu unless you are fluent in mandarin or chalk full of every top degree and certificate in your field. You're better off living in America where you belong.

>>515820003
excellent reading comprehension

>>515810982 (OP)
>This is supposed to be the most high demand engineering degree
This is not 2021 lilbro.
t. graduated the same time as you did

>>515810982 (OP)
Sir don't worry we will help get you traditional technology from Microsoft and Google support network we are located here in your country Boston Texas

>>515818385
Modern CS requires hardcore fuckin math. You need to at least have some elementary real analysis and measure theory under your belt for probability theory which undergirds the modern CS.

Some intro taster below:

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~venkatg/teaching/CStheory-infoage/hopcroft-kannan-feb2012.pdf

>>515810982 (OP)
Same brother it's looking grim.

>>515813956
the only truth in your post is in the first sentence

>>515820368
that's like honors high school math at best
probability theory needs integrals at most
one of the best courses a CS student can take is discrete as soon as possible

most CS students never get past calc 2 and engineers usually have credit for that from high school

Bout to graduate with a chemistry degree. Some of my peers got jobs most are going back to get phds or med school.

>>515810982 (OP)
hey dude. fellow CS grad of 2 years ago. here's my timeline after graduating.
>worked as intern automation engineer which I had already been doing part time while in school, applying for dozens of jobs every week
>start with things I really want, then things I sort of want, then everything remotely IT or software related, no luck
>8 months pass, get laid off from internship (company phasing out US offices while expanding in India)
>NEET for about 4 months, continuing to apply slightly more desperately
>run out of money, get job with a friend as an electrician apprentice, fucking hated it
>by divine mercy got laid off from that as well after about 10 months
>after a few weeks I find a slightly more engineering related job, automation control technician at an OEM company
>got the job because of degree alongside hardware experience from electrician job
>on paper I help program the human-machine interfaces and the PLC code, but I actually just watch the automated line and fix it when it breaks
>about a month ago decided I don't want that to be a long term thing either and start looking again
>got an interview with a company doing embedded systems for robots, had an advantage over other applicants because I've worked with robots
>I got it. I start on monday. today was my last day at current job.

so what I'd say to you is be aware of the reality that it isn't what it was a couple years ago. there have been mass layoffs. senior devs are getting intermediate level jobs, intermediate devs are getting entry level jobs, and new grads are SOL. optimize your resume and interview skills and apply for 10 jobs a day, but also be ready to pivot into a tangential career path. it's slightly better now than it was a year ago but it still isn't good. I wish you the best of luck bro.