Thread 515965959

the nazis were communists

>>515965959 (OP)
this is such a weird cope, when the far-right who allegedly despises communists aligns itself with Hitler

Lol

>>515965959 (OP)
They are only considered right because of wanting to uphold a nation. The left wants to destroy every nation in the West.

>>515965959 (OP)
Musk knows about German history and politics as much as he knows about Path of Exile and his 28 fatherless children.

"left" and "right" alignment has lost it's meaning.
Anybody talking about "left" or "right" is grifter on salary.

>>515966647
kek true
> hitler socialist
that is bullshit on so many levels it is insane that anyone with more than 2 braincells believes it for a second.

>>515965959 (OP)
This notion has to be the epitome of boomer retardation.

>>515965959 (OP)
no they were corporatists which is a form of social democracy

>>515965959 (OP)
You faggots will cope however you must to not face your reflection lol. Anyone advocating government control or power is leftist.

>>515966773
Watch this video and learn it's true:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmcmauM78FE

>>515965959 (OP)
they were leftists but nationalists, they had leftist economic principles but were racists, in pursuit of the domination and well being of their own race as well as the pursuit of attaining an human ideal. the perfect man.

communists are obviously leftists, they had leftist economic principles but weren't racists, they were in pursuit of global domination to free me from selfish needs, they were in pursuit of the ideal man, the perfect man, they wanted to assemble every races and turn them into the same people, not genetically speaking but mentaly speaking, they were thus against social minorites, like faggots, or religious people, any traits that differentiated people from each others.

so both nazism and leftism were extremely violent and genocidal in their nature. those ideologies who have a certain ideal regarding to people can only be maintained through force, they're failed ideologies. at least nazis didn't pretend they were the good guys.

>>515965959 (OP)
Economically left wing, but also hated faggots because they weren't suicidal self hating degenerate retards. Nazis were classical left, like Bernie.

If you look at real fascism, like Franco did it in Spain, and real socialism, like Stalin did it in Russia, natsoc is half-half. Francos fascism was nationalistic and religious (the catholic church played an important role). Stalins socialism was international and atheitic. Natsoc was nationalistic, capitalistic (but the production controlled by party members) and didn't cared about religion. Racism existet in all 3 systems, they all hatet the jews. Modern China could be seen as a new version of natsoc, it is nationalistic, the leading "race" (Han) hates all other minorities and throws them in camps and prisons, it has an economy that is kind of capitalistic but also government controlled, and it suppresses religion.

>>515966773
He said it himself in his book.

>>515965959 (OP)
Das rite

>>515969719
National socialist doctrine is the acknowledgement that everyone should live in peaceful ethnostates with their own people, and not live in other people's countries.
And the economic policy side of it is to structure the economy in a way that disincentivizes parasitism like rentiering, and also shuts out foreign investors, keeping all the prosperity inside the nations borders, no international jew stealing the profits that your people worked for.
Money will be printed debt-free interest-free by the State Bank and backed by labour, instead of the current central banking system where the money is created by "loaning" it from the jews, i.e. you are on the hook to jewish private bankers for the loan and its interest even though it came from thin air.
>https://www.nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder.pdf

There is absolutely nothing wrong or immoral about people feeling more comfortable and inspired when being surrounded by people like themselves. In fact, it’s what is best for everyone intellectually, emotionally, physically and spiritually.
When communities are homogeneous, there is an instinctive obligation to look out for one another. Society goes from zero sum adversaries to cooperative big families.

People are happier; civic engagement is high; prosperity is more evenly distributed and enjoyed and culture flourishes.
It’s all been definitively proven by all sociological studies and the entirety of human history.

This is also why all non-whites who live in White countries such as yourself always shill against it BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE PLUNDER

Go back to the middle east you fucking shitskin you don't belong in France

>>515965959 (OP)
the nazis were far right, they were not socialists for the following reasons

-privatization of resources
-aided and abetted by swiss banks
-aided and abetted by u.s. corporations (IBM especially, but also Alcoa, Standard Oil, Texaco, bush jr's grandfather, etc)
-aided and abetted by catholic church
-conservative values
-anschluss was a call to an imperial past
-racism (identity politics), not class consciousness
-allied with monarchists, mussolini was appointed by king and queen of italy since he was a union breaker / strike breaker
-the biggest political competition nazi party had was the German Bolshevik party. if they were leftists, there was already a party for that


just because it's in the name doesn't mean shit. a horseapple doesn't come from horses, a pineapple does not come from pine trees, spanish moss is not spanish, buffalo wings are not buffalo. if you think they were socialist just because it's in the name, you're fucking retarded

>>515970930
>i believe hitler. he told the truth.

kill yourself

>>515970930
They were not communists though.
It's a jewish narrative that they're the same thing and obviously nobody that has actually read the Kampf or the works of the Gottfried Feder the economist who laid the foundation to national socialism would ever think those two entirely different systems are anywhere the same

As this poster here said >>515966952 it was closer to corporatism than communism so entirely different but calling it corporatism is wrong too

In fact its extremely directionbrained and retarded to frame complex social and economical systems to a single word and especially to some fucking direction like "left" or "right"

Back in the day you'd be laughed at for using directionbrained terms like that but today pol is brown and retarded its just a shadow of its former self

>>515971232
Boy, are you 15 or just retarded?

>>515965959 (OP)
Truth. The closest thing to National Socialism we have today is in China.

There's a reason the Nazi flag is red.

>>515971177
>the biggest political competition nazi party had was the German Bolshevik party.
yeah exactly, they even tried to take over in WW1 and that's the biggest reason why jews were put in to camps waiting for their deportation so they wouldn't try that shit again

The attempted German revolution by jews during WW1 that lost them the war is conveniently forgotten in kiked history books

>Jews sabotaged Germany during WW1 and started a civil war
It happened in 1918 and lasted nearly a year. German jews led an army of communists attempting to establish a communist nation in Germany during the crucial months of WW1. Countless German lives were lost and nationwide chaos exploded because of the jewish subversion. Thus, WW1 was lost.

Now do you understand why jews were treated the way they were in Nazi Germany? They had to be controlled or they would start ANOTHER civil war and kill millions of innocent German citizens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918–19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Levi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Levine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg

Similar attempts happened all over Europe, people even think that the Bolsheviks just "gave" Finland its independence, when in reality the kikes instigated a Red revolution here too and we fought the bolsheviks for the independence
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War
But unlike in Russia, the Whites won. And that's why Winter War happened, because the bolsheviks tried again.

Not to mention that interning potentially hostile people is completely normal procedure, America did it to their Japanese as a precaution even when the Japanese had not instigated a revolution like the jews did. Only difference no one was bombing their supply lines so the Nips didn't starve in the camps. Situation in Germany was quite different, everything was leveled in the biggest race treason in history.

>>515971177
and of course antifa existed too, it was founded by jews as a jewish organization in germany against the nazis

>>515971470
bruh you do realize non jews were involved in leftist revolutions all over the fucking planet, right?

He just can't stop. Top 5 richest man being an edgelord.

>>515971557
>jewish organization against the nazi
wow no fucking shit. the people being murdered by fascists are antifascists. you're fucking smart, bro

>>515971274
Hitler was not a marxist. He might have been one when he was young and joined a german workers movement, but later he opposed marxism (as jewish and anti-nationalistic).
>two entirely different systems
Well, no. Both systems, Hitlers germany and Stalins Russia, had many similarities. Not in economic theory, but in actual reality. They bot had a 1-party dictatorship, political secret police, torture prisons, death camps, youth indoctrination organisations and a strong focus on the military. All totalitarian systems are kind of similar.

>>515971558
of course, just like there was lot of Whites involved in WWII fighting for kikes on their behalf
sometimes you only need one well-placed shabbos to kick things off, a person whose debts you have bought and now own and calling on them would make the person instantly lose everything.
exactly what "The Focus" group did to Winston Churchill, that rat that sold the future of not only his people but the future of the White world for some shekels

>>515965959 (OP)
That's ridiculous, the great lie of our time is clearly the Holocaust

>>515965959 (OP)
unironically can someone explain this one to me? the nazis were obviously and provably not left wing. When the right claims this, is it to muddy the waters/because it is funny, or do they actually believe it is true? I assume its kind of like how libs are saying the shooter was a groyper

>>515971679
>winston churchill
churchill served the crown and rothschild bankers. he wrote an article the same year as the balfour declaration about "zionism v. bolshevism" and said the good jew go to israel but the bad jews are commies

maybe stop using jews as a crutch for not criticizing capitalism, dumbfuck

>>515966647
lmao, this

>>515971733
>can someone explain this one to me?
>>515970848
>>515971636

>>515971766
if only this board understood this we would have world peace and an advanced society

>>515971725
a genocide definitely, absolutely happened, and IBM had the evidence for it through their punchcard machines and subsidiary company called dehomag, but the 6 million number comes from nowhere

we know that germany did genocides because the 2nd reich had already used trains to transport and starve people in camps in the namibian genocide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xqd5dm-csc

>>515965959 (OP)
Elon is such a retard. Right vs left paradigm doesn't fit with the nazis.

>>515965959 (OP)
Okay. Now what? What changed with this grand revelation? What conflicts were solved? What conflicts were started?

>>515971868
ok so political and historical illiteracy, got it

>>515965959 (OP)
>All nazis are jewish
Correct

>>515971908
Do you have ANY FUCKING CLUE where you are

>>515966647
got eem

>>515965959 (OP)
this retard is receiving billions in tax payer subsidies and still larps as a lolbert at the same time. the USA is a socialist country by his defintiion.

>>515966952
that's facism. the absolute conjunction of party, leader, corporations and all public life.

>>515971939
left bad right good, hurt fee fees restored.

>>515971975
a european superstate

>>515965959 (OP)
>Hitler is everything I don't like
Boy this sure does get tiring.

>>515971733
They wanted the country ahead of everything else and this involved collectivism. Blue team vs red team doesn't fit here.

>>515972007
fascism is also a form of social democracy :^)

>>515965959 (OP)
one post by this id

>>515972038
>retard doesn't understand that modern conservatives fit the bill for all points of fascism idioms and beliefs

boy this sure does get tiring

>>515972057
>naziism and communism is when collectivism
ignoring that that makes absolutely no sense i think you have a very underdeveloped understanding of either of these ideologies.

>>515965959 (OP)
Communism, all flavors of Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism are all direct descendants of the Liberalism they wished to succeed and they contain within them the assumptions and errors thereof. The 20th century was mostly a battle over what one would come out on top. We chose Progressivism, I guess.

>>515971636
>They bot had a 1-party dictatorship
True

>political secret police
Sure. There is secret police in most of the countries today too
And obviously it was absolutely necessary too, the kikes were trying to instigate a bolshevik revolution in Germany too like they did try to make it happen in all of Europe. And when it didnt work they invaded.

>torture prisons
not really. possibly some intel could have been extracted from suspects by "enhanced interrogation"

>death camps
there were none. it was all kike propaganda which they milk to this day. every single supposedly "death camp" that was investigated by the allied investigators were found out to be jewish lies, and the only claims still standing are the ones that were never investigated as they fell on the judeo-bolshevik side the investigators weren't allowed to.
in fact the british already tried atrocity propaganda before in WW1 with "german corpse factories" which was just as ridiculous as the holohoax stories, but back then it was quickly deemed as a hoax
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_Factory
with the holohoax though, they put the guards to death so they couldnt live to tell the story afterwards that it was all lies, plus like said the judeo-bolshevik side camps were never investigated. no evidence of mass graves were ever found except for the amount of deaths that germans reported who died of typhus and malnutrition as guess what when (((allies))) bomb all your supply lines and the nation starves the prisoners starve too.

>>515965959 (OP)
The greatest lie of our time is left vs right false dichotomy

>>515969719
So nazis are protoss and communists are zerg

>>515972145
I wish. Too bad you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Alright, [ideology] is [the direction you want it to be] now what, where does your analysis go from there? Don't waste your time on these pointless 00s tier discussions, and genuinely educate yourselves instead.
This goes for both leftoids and rightoids. Stop posting stupid shit online, read fucking theory, scorn the niggerfaggot grifter and make friends.
>>515972221
Finally someone with a mind

>>515971636
>youth indoctrination organisations
you could call them that if you were a kike trying to push some narrative as hitler youth being a bad thing. in reality more like a summer camp teaching boys athleticism, good manners and how to be a good member of the society, plus skills like fixing things, working as a team, firearm handling, with a lot of fishing too, etc.

>strong focus on the military
This is very much true and agreeable. Having went through conscription myself I'm a firm believer that a good foundation for any safe, prosperous and united ethnostate is united military service and my perfect national socialist nation would absolutely have it too.

That's where the similarities end though.

The whole guiding principle of National Socialism is to be a strong united nation working together and keeping the prosperity you create which creates a positive loop of creating more prosperity.

Meanwhile communism is a lot closer to capitalism that they're both systems where jews and other shitskin parasites are allowed in to leech upon the productivity of Whites while putting in no labor themselves

>>515971766
Capitalism is jewish too you absolute nigger

The general problem of talking with marxists:

They don't debate, they attack. All their "arguments" are insults, ad-hominem, lies, fake "facts" and pseudo logic. And that's totally ok in their view, because marxism is a cult, and the 1 and only thing that matters for them is to win. Truth and reality are totally irrelevant for them. They don't hesitate to use every cheap trick and any pathetic strategy. The only thing you can do is avoid talking with them.

>>515971766
>criticizing capitalism
I absolutely do, of course, I am a national socialist.
Communism and capitalism are two heads of the same jewish snake, where people of foreign ethnicity come into the country, or in case of international capitalism might not even physically be in the country, exploit the labor of your people.

This is what national socialism stops and why jews are so fucking terrified of it, both capitalism and communism are fine for them but losing access to White labor and having to go live with their own kind and produce only what they are able to do with their own efforts, all parasites share the hate of national socialism because of that.

>>515972221
we chose post modernism, where everybody can reinvent his political stance everyday like Elon doing ketamine and having delusions of lolbertarianism again.

>>515972364
only blood and soil matters, the nation and its people. the economic system is just a result of that, whether it be authorian or liberal.

>>515965959 (OP)
Also, urinal cakes are the best cakes for weddings and birthdays. Cause they're cakes.

>>515972529
>The whole guiding principle of National Socialism is to be a strong united nation working together and keeping the prosperity you create which creates a positive loop of creating more prosperity.
Man, I'm from a german Nazi family, my grandpa was SS and died in eastern Europe, my aunts were in the Nazi girl youth, and I know a lot of what actually happend in germany in the 30s and 40s. And I can tell you: it was not a good and healthy society.

>>515972762
>only blood and soil matters, the nation and its people
this is true. everything else can be negotiated. i'd prefer national socialism but it can be something else too.

the important part is to get the foreigners out and have them not take anything from the productivity of our people ever again, and we keep the fruits of our labor ourselves.

this is why the kikes fear it so much. they want to continue the exploitation.
why the fuck else would they even care what White people do in our own White ethnostates. They can have whatever the fuck economic system they want in israel, of course any money flows from White countries would be stopped by national socialism they wouldn't be getting those anymore, and that is why they hate national socialism,.

This is the ultimate root of all the browns shilling against nazism, because they want to profit from you and don't want to live with their own kind and do their own work. They want you to do the work and they to live off of it.

>>515965959 (OP)
Actually they were radical centrists.

>>515972762
>only blood and soil matters
That would be simplification. Does that matter if you brainwash your pure blood society? See Japan in 10 years or even now. Does it matter if your homogeneous society lives in mud huts? Will it ne wiped out? So culture and economy matter too. Influence one part, then it influences the other.

>>515972897
Nah you're some memeflag kike. You already talk absolute bullshit as if the USSR hated kikes LMAO it was founded by them and the kike founders incl. lenin and trotsky made a decree that any anti-semites can be killed without a trial
Stalin also confirmed this decree and put many "anti-semites" to gulags when not summarily executed.
Kikes are trying to always paint narratives and "muh anti-semite stalin" is one of the more ridiculous ones, sure he did purge a couple of jews too in his paranoia when he purged fucking everyone he saw coups everywhere, he was a schizophrenic that possibly had jewish blood himself

>>515973265
You obviously don't know much about history. After the war many jews from eastern Europe were fleeing to the west, because the communists were hunting them.

And how dare you calling me a liar. I won't forgive this.

>>515972897
Meanwhile here's an actual account from the time and like most, its a good one.
The prosperity leap the national socialist economic machine created was incredible, never before or after seen.
Germans went to being poor to the point of starving to being richest-per-capita on the planet, when Hitler SEXTUPLED their economy in just six years.

People don't really understand the scale of theft that happens in these jewish systems, the prosperity loop that happens when nobody is plundering your productivity will supercharge the economy quickly.

That was the firstmost problem with Germany, the bankers did not give a fuck about Poland nor even the kikes in the summer camps waiting for deportation, but they were TERRIFIED about people noticing the meteoric rise of Germany and then have national socialism spread to the rest of the world as that would have meant the end of days of jews having enormous power and wealth by living as parasites by charging of interest

>>515972492
bruh if you're blaming jews instead of capitalism, you're literally mentally disabled. an actual NPC

>>515973478
Jews didn't flee to west because "communists were hunting them", they were the communists.
Jews fleed to west because their experiment caused mass poverty and they wanted to move to west to fleece White people there as they saw Western jews having great success in stealing from people.
Jews never stay long in a place that is poor, they are parasitic migrants and always have been ever since they started their journey as tribe of indian gypsies called 'canaanites'

>Alexander conquered the important parts of India in 327 BC, and it was around this time when Aristotle claimed that Jews originated from India as far back as the 4th century BC. “Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea.” Megasthenes (350 BC - 290 BC) recorded the same thing: "The Jews were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani".

And they've shown a parasitic migratory pattern ever since.

>>515972617
look up the history of the CIA and regime change actions. look up school of the americas.

capitalist economies REQUIRE theft, murder, war and lies. how retarded are you that you think greed is bad but magically an economy that rewards greed isn't the stupidest idea in human history?

>>515973577
>Some people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.
Lmao, I wonder if he even wrote that himself or did the jew just give him what to post under his name
Like said Churchill was deep in debt after losing his entire fortune, TWICE, in the stock market
Luckily for him and unluckily for the White world the kike bankers bought his debts and let him live his days in lavish prosperity as long as he did exactly what they said
Had he not, the jews would have called on his debts and taken everything from him
Churchill chose corruption and usher in the jewish clown world

One only needs to take one look outside and the demographic situation that is happening plus how much the kikes are plundering while putting in no labor to realize that not only were the Nazis right about everything, but that we're doomed unless we act and change back the course

>>515973701
Yeah and shitskinned parasitic races like you always shill for White countries to do either capitalism or communism which include you continuing thieving from a White country.

If we Whites have National Socialism in our White country which you are not part of, why do you care?
Why do you shill for communism/capitalism to White countries, why don't you go shill communism to israel with your own people?

>>515965959 (OP)
holyyyyyyyyyyy shit that might be the most based thing he's ever said. I mean technically juden peterson said it like 5 years ago but I don't think anyone gave a shit.

Hitler adopted communist aesthetics because they were popular at the time

>>515973701
Why it is any of your purview what we do in our countries?
You can go live with your own kind and have WHATEVER the type of economy you possibly want, with the caveat that you wont be getting anything from us and it wont have nothing to do with us, as we'll have National Socialism in our countries.

Why is that bad for you? Why do you need to control what kind of economic systems White people use?

Left wing or right wing, who cares? All I care about is policies and Hitler's policies would have put a subversive parasite like Muskstein who wants to turn the world into India into a concentration camp. Couldn't care less about some arbitrary lines
>>515974217
Nazi aesthetics were Roman aesthetics, numbnuts. Nothing to do with communism.

>>515965959 (OP)
You are *RETARDED*.

>>515966773
>>515971232
It's the truth. Hitler was a socialist.
See The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism (1939) by Günter Reimann (who was a communist, by the way).

>>515965959 (OP)
the same people will use "antisemitism" (as dictated by the "chosen masterace" jewspeak), to censor any "goyim" wrong think world wide. Despite that jews themselves hated all other semtic people since 4000 years because they were "Goyim" (non jews).

>>515966773
They were unironically socialists, though. Fascism in general was a combination of left and right ideologies. Benito Mussolini started his political career writing for a socialist newspaper. However, fascists hated how other socialists weren't nationalistic. That's why Mussolini broke off and started his fascist movement and the black shirts started assaulting socialists in the streets. Fascism is literally just socialism combined with extreme nationalism. It is both a left and right wing movement.

>>515965959 (OP)
No, they were national socialists.
Retard

>>515974544
They wore red armbands and called themselves the national SOCIALIST German WORKERS party. I'm not talking about the post takeover SS esoteric shit you fucking retard

>>515969719
"Germany for Germans" isn't a particularly racist since why would there be non-Germans in Germany in the first place? The only reason people immigrate is to take advantage of their new host country, and people who do that should rightfully be spat on.

Communism was something the jews created because the European aristocracies were locking them out of the power structure, and they wanted to overturn the system. Like an angry kid throwing over the game board when he was losing. The ideology isn't really concrete and intended to function as a real system, it's more intended to upend the system that previously existed.

Nazism is a counterreaction to communism. It's better though of as the white blood cells attacking an infection in the body. It's not a stable system either, it's just a military counterreaction to fix everything by doing what everyone agreed needed to be done.

>>515965959 (OP)
>deMocRatS aRe tHe rEaL rACisTS
>NaZiS weRe ThE rEaL LeFtiStS

So fucking cringe

>>515969719
>they had leftist economic principles
Nazi Germany invented privatization, smashed unions and overall reduced wages and increased working hours

>>515965959 (OP)
You guys spent like 3 years jerking yourself over his redpilling for him to just become another boomer conservative

>>515976018
>Communism was something the jews created because the European aristocracies were locking them out of the power structure,
This is literally true of capitalism and liberal democracy though

>>515965959 (OP)
>>515966869
Which is the dumber boomer cope:
>The Nazis were actually left wing!
or
>The Democrats actually supported slavery back in the civil war!

>>515976074
They reduced working hours and implemented basic workers rights you filthy jew.
>meanwhile in america

>>515966227
which is silly because even commie nations are extremely nationalist
look at china, NK, Cuba, Venezuela
nationalism is neither a right nor left concept
it just makes sense to love your nation and want it to come first

>>515965959 (OP)
Technically they were socialists, which isn't much different.

>>515965959 (OP)
YES!

>>515966093
That means literally nothing, all socialists have many different factions who all hate eachother and want to kill eachother. Socialism is for midwits.

>>515966771
Truth.

>>515976278
>They reduced working hours
Patently false
>and implemented basic workers rights
What are you talking about about? When they weren't busy giving Krupp a rimjob they were deregulating like mad. There's a reason all the staffers that fled west Germany after the war and came to America became Goldwaterites

>>515976191
capitalism is purely a british thing. It's so thoroughly british, it might as well be wearing a bowler hat and tipping you good morning.
What I would say is jewish, is the completely ideological version of capitalism where we all worship the market and serve the market like it's our living god. The anarcho-libertarian market theories for example.
>liberal democracy
It comes from the European enlightenment. Jews hijacked it and made it an ideological extreme.

>>515976074
You lying kike
NS policies included wage freezes but also mechanisms for indirect increases and protections, especially for lower earners, as part of a social orientation toward the "schaffenden Arbeit" (productive labor)

Supplements for night, Sunday, holiday, and overtime work were exempted from taxes and social insurance contributions, effectively boosting take-home pay. War-related tax hikes targeted the wealthy and corporations, sparing middle-class and low-income workers, promoting redistribution. Further on, the DAF and some government policies emphasized worker protections against exploitative finance, such as nationalized banking with caps on usurious loan interest rates to prevent debt traps for the working class

You know nothing about NS economy

>>515976317
Communism is an utopian ideal that can NEVER be achieved. The end result is always a dystopian form of socialism....

>>515976281
They are global socialists, but only as far as the West is concerned.

They really just hate white people, because their achievements hurt their brains.

>>515976384

Union of Soviet ( Council ) Socialistic ( Commies ) Republics ( Ruling classes )
in competition with National Socialists
both Socialist, the same thing

>>515965959 (OP)
Yeah and North Korea is democratic, it's right there in their name!!!

God these people are retarded

Nothing wrong with being left-wing.

Read this book by Povl-Heinrich Riis-Knudsen - National Socialism: A Left Wing Movement.

https://archive.org/details/NSLM_201604

>>515966773
You should look into what the nazi party believed and what programs they imolemented.

>>515965959 (OP)
EXPLAIN WHY HITLER WENT TO WAR WITH THE SOVIETS

>>515976749
People's Democratic !!!
democracy is bad enough, but when it is people's democracy, it is over

>>515976627
Because back then, the academic world was split between scientific/rational thinking in the west of europe, and philisophical/idealist thinking in the east of europe.

All the movements coming up out of Eastern Europe were characterized in this way. They were very detached from reality, and mostly about rallying people around slogans. The movements worked like a religious movement, with everyone blindly following the great leader based on his own presumed authority. Marx never submitted his theory to an economics journal, and he never would because it would get torn to pieces.

But don't think communism is the only movement like this. Ayn Rand was like this, The Mises school was like this. They're all doing the same song and dance.

>>515976869
both socialist were competing for the same crowd

>>515976869
To counter an imminent soviet invasion of Europe (Millions of red army troops moved toward the western border, countless airfields and offensive positions built in the west)

>>515976473
The average German works 36 hours a week.
Germans defected to the states after the war to avoid prosecution as America happened to have a need for their expertise as they lacked any technical, organizational or scientific know how to advance.

>>515976661
Yep, socialism is a disease, especially corporate socialism.
>>515976627
Communism in theory can never be achieved, communism in practice can absolutely be achieved and always results in mass murder.

>>515976869
Socialist civil war like socialists always engage in. In the beginning the soviets and the nazis were allies who invaded Poland together.

>>515976618
>wage freeze
>BUT TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR OVERTIME!
yeah so like I said, lower wages and longer hours

>>515976384
based utility maximization enjoyer

>>515965959 (OP)
I'm a capitalist, but the /x/nigger in my thinks as AI becomes more sophisticated, it could easily run a planned economy supporting a "utopia". We'd have to identify psychopaths and kill them off in infancy for it to work, among other eugenic projects to remove nigger-level behavior from the gene pool. I am fascinated by the scenario where Nazi Germany's economy functions without the war sagging it down. I wonder how it would have evolved, etc.

>wanting total government control over everything is right wing, actually
gaslighting I'll never fall for

>>515965959 (OP)
>>515966773
Consider the following:
>"Capitalism sucks, let's abolish property"
Communism
>"Socialism rules, let's build a hive"
Fascism
>The Bolsheviks
Fasco-communists; extreme leftists.
>The Nazis
Fascists who opposed communism; so radical centrists, not leftists.

>>515977353
I'm more of a natural rights enjoyer but if you lie capitalist utilitarianism "The Machinery of Freedom" is a great book.

>>515977180
>ignores all the other points
It was more efficient than what wageslaves had in capitalist countries like the US

>>515965959 (OP)
Yes, the current Communism-Nazism spectrum is wrong. It should really go big government to small government. Like Command/Control-Anarchy. Total government control of daily life as the leftmost extreme and no government at all on the rightmost extreme.

>>515976074
>invented privatization
huh?

>>515976281
That is why all commie countries fail. People are just too nationalistic in most places to be commies.

As commie as national communism goes, they were whites on a tribal strugle, ernesto guevara for example, the white boy in every revolution he was in

>>515977421
>AI becomes more sophisticated, it could easily run a planned economy supporting a "utopia".
That sounds like hell. If we just use AI to automate things we can use it to acquire wealth. Honestly i don't know what to so about AI though i don't think anyone does.

>>515977678
Not accurate either because right-wingers are principally monarchists, not anarchists.

>>515978091
I get it anon, I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not saying I endorse it per se, just that it could be possible. I still believe human nature would fuck it up. There's no way it wouldn't, because "someone" would need to manage that system I posited. It's like a time travel paradox: We cannot escape human nature fucking up such a scenario / "utopia".

>>515978322
True, I think technology is one of the biggest issues of our age and it probably can't be solved with politics.

>>515966773
You can't be a nationalist without being a socialist of some form. They entire idea of "protecting the nation" is socialistic in its nature only it focuses not on the class but nationality.

Palantir is coming after everyone on pol and he’s trying to warn you. Should have sided with Israel I guess dumbass left wingers

>>515978549
Only if you think a nations government is the nation itself.

>>515976627
The end goal of communism is worldwide libertarianism, at least that was Marx's vision. Funny thing is if everyone has bothered to read his commie manifesto, they'd realize that most conservatives share the exact same viewpoints of Marx.
>muh individualism
>state is bad
>tribalism bad
>muh NAP
>anti-family unit

While Marx's criticism of capitalism is actually true and succint, his version of a society was based on the same souless materialism capitalism was, he just had a different opinion of where the wealth should be redirected as.

>>515965959 (OP)
If you aren’t an Israel loving capitalist cuck then you are a commie to conservatives

>>515966773
Hitler was, but they were also anti-Communist. And Communists acting like retarded thugs was what gave the Nazi party special provesional powers in Germany.

>>515980606
The problem is that when people say 'socialist' they inevitably mean communist. Hitler was socialist, yes. So was Augustus and Caesar. Socialism is the belief in the common weal and it has existed since the dawn of time. Nations by their very definition are socialist in some sense.

>>515965959 (OP)
I have studied Nazism for 15 years. Read nazi seizure of power and i read rare german parliamentary debates from Bismarcks germany and the 1920s weimar.

The Nazis where a little schizophrenic in their ideology but ultimately it was a a traditionalist party that sought support from the old Prussian military families to build a disciplined order similar to Bismarcks germany.

Economically they were centrists. They had a protectionist "free market" economy where companys would compete for exclusive government contracts. If younlist a government exclusivity contract you were SOL until the next government contract came up.

>>515966773
>Sure the Nazis controlled the economy
>Sure the Nazis controlled the means of production
>Sure the Nazis had government mandated Unions
>Sure the Nazis had social programs
>But that doesn't mean the Nazis were socialists!

>>515980832
I wouldn't argue either Caesar was Socialist, but Hitler definitely was.

>>515981242
State run banks that give you preferential mortgage conditions when you have kids.

>>515981834
Well, he spent his entire time in the senate advocating for land reform and equal grain distribution for the lower class, on top of more opportunities for plebeians, so he definitely was. There's no two ways about it. The Roman Empire is literally what Hitler based NS on.

>>515982748
>so he definitely was
No you retard, the economic model of both the Roman Republic and Empire are not comparable to Socialism.

>>515983052
Socialism comes from latin of 'sharing'. It has existed since the dawn of time, you stupid nigger. It is not something that was suddenly invented from the ether. Just because the Romans didn't have machine operated factories doesn't mean that Caesar's policies and before that the Gracchi Brothers weren't socialist. Caesar believed that every man in the Rome was bound together as a community and everyone needed to work together for the Roman state to prosper. That includes the patricians. He gave more power to the plebs and created a structure based on merit. His last will was to share his wealth with the citizens of Rome. By it's very definition that is socialism. His policies couldn't be described in any other way. You sound like one of those idiots that think nationalism sprang from the French revolution or something.

>>515983808
>Socialism comes from latin of 'sharing
No that's incorrect, the etymology of it come from the French word Social. Yes that has a Latin root, no Socialism doesn't come from it.
>Caesar believed that every man in the Rome was bound together as a community and everyone needed to work together for the Roman state to prosper
Yes, he was an authoritarian.
> it's very definition that is socialism.
No it's not, he made no efforts to change democratic representation for Romans of lower social class. That is not collective ownership, it was an effort at benevolent despotism which is what Augustus achieved.

Also you keep referring to Julius as Caesar, they were both Caesars.