Thread 515982613

We will get paid to do nothing bros

>>515982613 (OP)
god I wish

>>515982613 (OP)
To qualify of course you have to at least be black or gay. Wheelchair is just means more bonuses

huge win for sloppers and clankers

>>515982613 (OP)
thats not how money works.

>>515982613 (OP)
The price will be .. jailed in a small dark isolated room alone til the death.

>>515982613 (OP)
You're always doing something. This world is a field of action. Even breathing is working.

>>515982613 (OP)

He forgets to mention that rent is $10k per month and bread costs $100 per slice.

>The government will pay you a living wage to own a home, family, education, vehicles, healthcare, investing and retirement.
>Your only job is be a good parent and raise a family

GOOD END

>>515982613 (OP)
ticket to see a movie will be $10k, you wouldn't even be able to pay for grocery unless they fix the market. Well, that never ends well.

>>515982916
It is exactly how money works. I am extremely skeptical that AI and automation are at a point to actually produce enough goods and services to meet the theorized target, but that is exactly how money works.

>>515982613 (OP)
And $120k a year will become worthless. It’s called supply and demand. Works on money too.

>>515983173
>all the while a robot is watching you voyeuristically so it can use your body data to replicate your behavior for consumers
what could go wrong

>>515982613 (OP)
Plot twist: It's 2050 and $120.000 in 2050 money is $15.000 in today's money.

>>515982613 (OP)
Only really matters if you're able to use that buy property, ie, it should represent a transfer of wealth from the rich to the regular person.

>>515982613 (OP)
I will clean the sewers as a hobby. What will (you) do to maintain society?

>>515983566
What he is suggesting is that the supply of goods and services will maintain a steady state or increase, in which case... yeah, supply and demand. Follow your own logic. Whether he is right or not, I already said I'm skeptical, but the logic is completely sound.

>>515982613 (OP)
If you're still alive by then.

>>515982927
How is that different than being in my room my whole life? I love isolation.

>>515982613 (OP)
Where would AI get the money from and why would the owners of the AI allow this rather than pocketing the money for themselves?

And eventually will see us as parasites and exterminate all of us.

>>515983566
not quite. your business that relied on exploiting minimum wage employees might fail, that sucks...ooh noooo

>>515982613 (OP)
with nothing at all they mean NOTHING at all. they'll pay you to lay down and go quietly into the night.
probably will have to get nullification surgery and a lobotomy too.

>>515982613 (OP)
The problem with this bullshit is that productivity has already been making exponential gains for decades and none of that has been passed down to the middle and lower classes since the early 1970s.
So there's absolutely no reason to believe that the kikes are going to give you $120k when they can pocket it for themselves once these robots drives the cost of labor into the ground.

>>515983901
>Where would AI get the money from
Money is created by the government at origin. Spending necessarily predates income.

>>515982613 (OP)
They left out the small print that there will be 1000% inflation.

>>515984008
That sounds like a political problem, not a technical one.

>>515982613 (OP)
NO THANKS.
I love going to a meaningless job, that pays too little, when everything is expensive. I love owning nothing, and I love not being able to afford anything.

>>515982613 (OP)
we live in a world of atoms.
all this ai cant make things cheaper, many things are very, very optimized already.
walmart's profit margin is like 3% on 700 billion revenue. if all humans were replaced with perfect robots, that cost nothing, that never make mistakes, can do all tasks, use no power and never break - the margin would 10% or so. meaning, there isnt that much left to optimize.
and in a world of atoms stuff has to be real.
most of the work ai can do is not real or in the world of atoms.
this is a jewish trick to make people want to be lazy and get their gibs for free from the fucking jews so the jews can control everything.

Anyone who knows anything about anything and not even economics knows this situation would be hell on earth.
Thankfully, this is just AI techbro lies to increase stock price.

>>515982916
It CAN work like that when the issuing authority EFFICIENTLY produces/distributes goods and services. For example, right now, China could issue every Chinese citizens a huge issue of new currency to encourage them too buy the goods that they used to ship to America.
It is bad policy in America because of the way the currency is issued, with debt owed to kikes who produce NOTHING but only drain the economy of resources.
This could be a workable system but we gonna need TKD first.

>>515984132
>Money is created by the government at origin. Spending necessarily predates income.
money is created, these days, by new loans. so the only time a dollar is created is when an IOU is issued.
very fucking jewish
and very decoupled from reality.
this is why goyslop isnt food.
real food would be worth real labor or in trade of some real physical item or real physical workl
but jewish fiat shekel bucks are fake and gay so the food we eat has to be fake and gay (seed oils, fillers, etc).

LOL

They're not going to give anyone money. There will be a war where most of the excess unemployed youth will be sacrificed. Then we'll get techno feudalism. Enjoy your cockroach porridge, AI girlfriend, and Palantir social credit score, worker drone.

>>515984424
>This could be a workable system but we gonna need TKD first.
TKD is required for earth to stop being terraformed into HELL.

>>515983566
Supply of money goes up, but so does the supply of goods and services. Robots are essentially free human labor when they get smart enough to build and maintain themselves.

>>515983771
That's sad, but not everyone autist.

>>515984335
We have the most jewish dominated system of all countries in the world and and they do the exact opposite of what you claim they are trying to do. They just constantly make it more difficult for the average person to accumulate some wealth.

You also basically argued for some degree of post-scarcity already existing. So it's like, what are you even trying to say?

>>515984008
It represents a shift in how the overall economy will work.

Some % of people will still be needed to do things vital to the economy, and some % of people will still be needed to police the society, but most people will need to be doing nothing while still making purchases. The state will step in to distribute the fruits of this automated economy, and they'll decide who gets how much based on things like social credit, it will function as a huge social engineering or eugenics project.

You'll get the $120k, and it will be just enough to buy what you need to survive in the year, not enough to live in the nice places with the good schools, not enough to start a business, not enough to do anything like this.

>>515984589
No it's not. I feel worse and worse when out in the world. I don't fit in anymore.

>>515982613 (OP)
Everything would cost $120k more

>>515983623
Robots can't build land so probably not. That is why it is important to get your hands on land BEFORE the Singularity.

>>515984439
You're talking yourself into circles trying to sound smart.

Yes, money is created as debt. It's called double entry book keeping -- all assets are equal liabilities. They are a mirror. You're just fucking retarded. I guess you're arguing for a gold standard or something? lmao it never ends with you rubes.

Show me the Chinese, Japanese, and German gold standards.

Reminder: $120k is only 60 ham sandwiches.

>>515982613 (OP)
The elites won't allow us to have that kind of money

>>515984132
>Money is created by the government at origin.
Yes but why would the government give the money to the AI first in order to give to you when the government can just give you the money directly?

>>515982613 (OP)
lazy faggot greeks will sell their own fag asses to get out of work and do so eagerly

>>515982613 (OP)
>rent becomes 8k a month
>Utilities become 1k a month
>Car insurabce becomes 600 a month
>food because 400 a month
You're welcome goy

>>515984695
Why assume this? If supply of goods and services goes up or if it stays the same while drastically reducing necessary inputs -- material or labor -- why would prices go up? Is there a rentier parasite in the system?

>>515982613 (OP)
If factory automation didn't do that, why would AI?

>>515982613 (OP)
Ai isn’t real

>>515982613 (OP)
he convenienty omits how much these 120k will be worth

>>515984679
Im not saying this World such nice but what you are doing that's self-generating.

Don't do it.
Force yourself til you can to leave the house.
Forest, lake, anything but dont jail yourself.

>>515984599
>You also basically argued for some degree of post-scarcity already existing. So it's like, what are you even trying to say?
destroy the synagogue of satan - this has to happen or earth will be terraformed into hell.
implement real money - gold based - can be tokenized, but all virtual tokens represent real gold/silver in a vault or in possession.
consider a currency based on energy or energy equivalents. (uranium/coal/gas/gold/food). a real currency would reflect the exact amount of energy it takes to make something coupled with scarcity.
doubt there will ever be any post-scarcity when population rises. getting dirt to turn into metal takes a ton of time energy effort. this is the world of atoms. try "living off the land" its almost impossible - most people are so disconnected from the world of atoms they think anything is possible but the reality of living off the land is insane and most people dont have the skills or mental temerity to do it for a few days let alone live like that.
most people with "money" today dont consider the real world of atoms much. but in the end, digital existence is simply a jewish trick.
free money would mean you would only be able to buy fake stuff with free money. like food made from seed oils and fillers.
if post scarcity existed, all the food would be good, but 99% of all food is fucking shit.
the most basic thing people need and want, food, is fucking shit.
TKD is the first step. then have discussions about how to structure society.

>>515982613 (OP)
Sure, when robots can do all the work regular idiots will be the ones to benefit from it. Absolutely. The ones in power will just give it all away to nobodys even if they are not useful anymore.

>>515983901
>Where would AI get the money from
The AI runs the factories and robots which receive the money from the consumers.
>why would the owners of the AI allow this
They can pocket all they want because the AI is EXTREMELY efficient at producing goods and services. They will simply devote some of their own robotic workforce to the production of ultra high end stuff for themselves.
When material abundance for the ultra rich reaches a certain level, they no longer need it. It gets boring. Like spending all day in front of a Star Trek replicator printing out gold baubles and designer jeans.
The things the ultra rich will compete over are scarce goods, land and collectables I would think. But you don't really NEED that much land. Especially with the resources to move into orbital habitats and nearby stars not long after.

Growing, wealthy countries can't even fund their pension systems and you think UBI is realistic, let alone to the tune of $120k. You are a retarded nigger day dreaming about gibs.

>>515982613 (OP)
the sad part is that many leftists are both naive and stupid enough to believe this

>>515985186
>implement real money - gold based
Stopped reading right there. You idiots are a broken record.

No matter how many examples in history -- RECENT HISTORY -- of transformative economic progress in nations without any use of gold as money, you're still bleating on about it.

It's rote and stupid.

>>515984773
>You're just fucking retarded
wrong.
i have zero debt.
houses paid off
4 children.
wife of many years.
it would stand to reason you might want to listen you smarmy fuck.
if you can get real things with leverage go ahead, but most people fail miserably at this task.
even the top 1% dont stay there long.
most people cna get to the top 10%. some of that top 10% get to the 1%, and most fall back to top 10%. and an extremely rare few break through the top 1% into the upper echelons.
then THOSE people, the top 0.1%+, they tell you the things you believe, like all this bullshit that debt-money is good.
welcome to being ruled by people who "teach" morons like you to enjoy being sheeple while trading time for shekelbucks while the rent seekers do fuck all.
you think you are smart but you dont want to accept you are a prisoner and the jews are the wardens and guards.
fine, read ari goldsteins fuckberg's "how money works" textbook and parrot away.

>>515984008
>none of that has been passed down to the middle and lower classes
Yeah, those are the working classes. Meanwhile people getting gibs have been living quite nicely, as have the ultra rich. Those are the two relevant classes in this scenario. And I suspect in the end they more or less become the same class. When anyone can have their own robot army and their own spaceship to go and settle their own planet, there really isn't much difference between anyone, except where you are on the exponential curve. Only a matter of time for the difference.
I think we are about to enter the final "hard time" before that future.

>>515982613 (OP)
AI bots go to work for you, you have to buy a bot, keep up with maintenance and all that, but they generate money for the household and you gain some more freedom, the more bots you can afford the more income you generate. One bot makes about $15k a year so one bot just supplements ones income, but the cost of a single bot is $50k

>>515985503
>Stopped reading right there. You idiots are a broken record.
wrong. you are a fucking jew.
>No matter how many examples in history -- RECENT HISTORY -- of transformative economic progress in nations without any use of gold as money, you're still bleating on about it.
so real living standards are falling since 1971. fuck you liar. you manipulate numbers, like CPI, and GDP, to pretend things get better but they only get worse.
when i was a young lad, people had boats, cabins in the woods, houses cost at most 3x salary,
now its all gone, the once middle class standard of living is fucking gone.
>It's rote and stupid.
whats stupid, fucker, is the asshole jew like you trying to tell people who lived in the real world in the past that those times were "worse" than today.,
FUCK YOU GOD DAMNED JEW. FUCK YOU.
fuck your kike money, kike.

>>515985326
They can all fund their pension systems. They just credit a bank account. That's how governments spend -- they just credit a bank account. So there is no conceivable way they can't "afford" to make a payment to a pension system. The spending is not dependent on revenue -- the spending comes before revenue.

The only relevant question is whether the physical goods and services, the real resources, that they would purchase with that money will exist in sufficient quantities. Funding something is literally never ever the problem.

>>515985720
Every time I see somebody pitching the gold standard it's a jew or a conservative (spiritual jew). Meanwhile MMT is basically a Nuremberg rally.

>>515982613 (OP)
$120,000 today has the same purchasing power as $96,138.65 did in 2020. That was only 5 years ago. Compared to 2015, 10 years ago, it was $88,042.77. How little will that $120,000 be worth in 5 years? Especially if the government starts giving everyone $120,000 and that becomes the new minimum wage?


https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2025?endYear=2020&amount=120000
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2025?endYear=2015&amount=120000

>>515985296
>When material abundance for the ultra rich reaches a certain level, they no longer need it. It gets boring. Like spending all day...
Low IQ post, we are already at the point where billionaires will never be able to spend all their money during their lifetimes.

>>515985919
>Every time I see somebody pitching the gold standard it's a jew or a conservative (spiritual jew). Meanwhile MMT is basically a Nuremberg rally.
denounce the talmud.
im done with this kike.
only a fucking jew wants people to believe jew scrip is worth trading physical labor for.

>>515982613 (OP)
Then they figure out they could get that 120k per year and kill you.

>>515985765
No, retarded nigger. E.g., Denmark raising retirement age to 70. Keep day dreaming.

>>515986023
Sure, I can denounce the talmud.

Show me the gold standard in NS Germany. Show me the gold standard in Japan. Show me the gold standard in China. Just show me these things! Produce it!

Money is not a real resource. It is a tool for directing real resources. There is no inherent advantage to artificially limiting the supply of money to the supply of gold, or any other commodity. Gold has value insofar as it has industrial value or commercial value. It's not worthless, certainly. But even if you wanted to base it on a commodity, is gold more useful than steel or oil?

It's just idiots who want money to be very scarce so they can oppress and extract other people.

>>515986261
They aren't doing that because they NEED to do it. They are doing it because they WANT to do it. The people at the top want more for themselves and less for you.

States spend by crediting bank accounts. They very literally do not need to "find" the money first. States create money, they don't need to earn deposits first. They aren't you. Anyone telling you different, government or otherwise, is lying.

So who will work? The jeets?

>>515985326
We do have UBI. It's just given to the third world.
All that foreign aid we all give out? If that were kept here, everyone would be well off.

>>515986618
There will be no UBI gibs for you, retarded nigger.

>>515982916
its how money works NOW

If I can still live here while getting $120k/yr then sure

>>515982613 (OP)
I'm ready
My body is ready
My wallet is ready
Please if there is a just and merciful God
We are ready

That doesn't work. Nobody will work, also everything will be more expensive reflecting everyone's new threshold. This guy is just talking nonsense.
This would only "work" if everyone is on rations doing some government enforced job under penalty of rape by niggers in a communist utopia ( dystopia).

>OPEN AI CEO SAYS
lol
this is propaganda aimed at untermensch
>let them take everything from me and maybe my new masters that I let overtake me will give me riches beyond my wildest dreams lol
lots of serpents come out with this venom and you're pretty lost if you're dumb enough to take it seriously. Did you vote for Hillary too?

>>515982613 (OP)
Let me guess: nature-raping hardware required.

>>515987620
The argument is that the goods and services would be produced in similar or greater numbers, through automation and AI. Now I don't believe that assessment, but the logic is extremely clear.

If the goods and services are still being produced with less or no work (obviously zero work is entirely unrealistic) then it theoretically doesn't matter if less or no people are working.

The entire point is whether the goods that people want to and need to consume are being produced. Not whether some arbitrary work requirement is being met. There are all kinds of reasons why someone would want to work -- stay busy, personal satisfaction, engagement, etc. -- but ultimately the point of work is to produce the goods the society needs to consume to keep functioning.

If every marketing firm disappeared overnight, would that make one bit of difference to the rest of us?

>>515983369
it didn't happen during the industrial revolution where a machine was doing the job of 10 men.

>>515988199
That's not an issue of money mechanics. That's an issue of capitalism and rentier classes.

>>515988126
The technological capacity for that kind of "post scarcity" Utopia would be there. There's just no fucking way the people in power would accept that. Once AI/robotics replace 90% of the human workforce you're not getting fully automated luxury communism. You're getting mass genocide, courtesy of Elon/Thiel/Bezos etc.

If everyone gets 120k a year then what stops prices from adjusting to that baseline? If the average income right now is 60k (just for arguments sake, I don't care enough to look up the actual number) than wouldn't prices just double since the average income is now 120k?

>>515989414
You're reading too much into it. They're not actually proposing a viable economic model, they just want to entice and lure people with the promise of free money

>>515982613 (OP)
op why do you post something like this ? do you actually believe this is a possibility? I'm just curious

>>515989414
Having a ton of robots doing all the work will make it so we have twice as much production capacity, so each of us will get to consume nicer goods, or more goods.

>>515989414
>>515989893
There's only one way this could work but we're gonna need a lot of pogroms

>>515982613 (OP)
Then why have people at all?

>>515989983
In theory*

In theory, the industrial revolution did exactly that, and the internet boom did exactly that. Are we now all living better than then? No, because all the extra wealth from the increased productivity moves into Jewish pockets at the top of society

>>515982613 (OP)
uh huh
sure

>>515983704
fuck fat ebony bbw bitches from america.
will try no to impregnate them, pull out on time

>>515986850
No it isn't. Money is used to get people to work, not to do nothing. Worthless fiat is exchanged for real resources and work.

>>515982613 (OP)
>We will get paid to do nothing bros
right
and the money will be delivered either by Santa Claus or the Easterbunny

>>515990098
>Are we now all living better than then?
Yes, definitely.

>>515982613 (OP)
I can live with 20000 € a year. I don't need this much.

>>515989983
At that point why shouldn't the government just own the robots and reward innovation with something? What good would there be to have private entities own robots that produce shit? You'd need an extreme level of regulations anyways, otherwise a private company that owns robotics that could produce anything they want could just start producing shit you don't want them to. For example if like 3-4 companies would suddenly decide to band together (let's take amazon, google, apple and microsoft) would suddenly decide to have all their robotics suddenly produce weaponry do you think they couldn't just overthrow entire nations if they suddenly made millions of drones? Why would governments risk it instead of seizing control over production shit that is automated? Maybe society would shift from mandatory 40+ years of work to teaching new generations about overseeing production and have new generations do mandatory oversight over AI and robotics production, so everyone just serves 10 or so years as an overseer in a factory and then they live off of mostly automated production.

>>515983602
I will clap my clanker waifu as much as my heart desiers. And big brother can watch my sweaty fat balls all they like.

If a company replaced a human making 120k a year with AI. Then that company could also pay 120k more in taxes and give it to the unemployed person. You chuds literally cant refute this logic.

>>515982613 (OP)
>Guy who lost his job in some field claims said field is incredibly valuable to get rehired in said field
Well then, it must be true

>>515982613 (OP)
>UBI
fuck yourself

>>515982613 (OP)
Honestly, if UBI was introduced I'd get a job as a garbageman. Nobody would think I'm doing it out of desperation then.

>>515982613 (OP)
about time

>everyone has $120k free
>suddenly prices rise across the board leaving you with just as much disposable income as you have now

Do you really think you're going to just get free money without corps/landlords/governments etc trying to take all that from you on a whim?

Landchad here. Rent is going up!

Reddit manchild fantasies are not real

>>515992329
If that's the problem then why would anybody be opposed to this? It would mean nothing changes.

>>515982613 (OP)
God's chosen people and the zog slave's in the government gonna do everything to prevent this outcome .


Th government needs the masses it the masses doesn't need the government.

>>515982613 (OP)
And a loaf of bread will be $500.
I welcome that reality.

>>515982916
Machines makes stuff
People get money
People use money to buy shit
Machines makes shits to be bought.

The cycle not changed but the components

>>515982613 (OP)
>$120K is the new 0
Congrats, you made money worthless.

>>515982613 (OP)
>AI providing the gibs me dat for vidya and weed dude lmao
wtf I love AI now

>>515992936
>Musk's trillion is now worthless
Greatly approved.

>>515982916
that is how money works. we take our stacks of money, load it into a wheelbarrow, then we use it to buy 1 moldy potato.

>>515982927
How is this different from our lives?
Be jailed in your home Vs be jailed in a wage cage.

>>515984679
Hikikomori

Truth is the base needs will increase as goods increase in adbondance meaning that if everyone gets a lot, then having a mansion and 10 helicopters will be considered welfare and there will be revolutions about it


its not about objective possessions for a lot of people, its about equality. and you could argue that they re not wrong. but here the bigger issue is freedom and not being under the cusp of a tyranny of jews form a world government or anyone else really.

also magical ai doing everything will never happen and this guy is a fat tranny fucker and it gets spread by medias to shill for big ai like NVIDIA etc

boomers are working AI out of principle, not because they really know that it will pan out

>>515983173
((((They)))) Despise the whites and the white family.
What makes you think they want any of that?

>>515982613 (OP)
That's how it will eventually go, the question is how fast we move there and what the path there will look like.
AI and automation are increasingly making more goods and there are less and less jobs. To survive people either need to be given money somehow to purchase the goods or the system has to change such that money is no longer required to acquire goods. People won't accept a situation where they won't get goods, turning to things like crime which is the worst option.
The optimist will argue that UBI system will come which guarantees every citizen a certain amount of production automation produces which will be sufficient to live. The pessimist will seek to ban automation and then create increasingly complicated make a work schemes and heavy bureaucracy that hires people to monitor and punish other people so they fill forms that they are seeking jobs to get their welfare. The end result is largely the same but one system is much more efficient and humane.

The actual issue is immigration because automation doesn't create infinite resources and immigration is non compatible with UBI because UBI will by definition have to be geared to what ever the local area can support but with immigration everyone just auto moves to where it's "best" crashing the system there.

>>515982613 (OP)
AI will take every job, but you will still be expected to pay taxes to pedophiles, and those taxes will only increase.

You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

The primary problem with this is giving a bunch of low IQ people a ton of leisure time. Crime is going to skyrocket as normalfags will go bonkers with a NEET life.

>>515994013
if ther eis nothing to do the obvious solution is to reduce work time but slavers dont want that becuse they dont want you to learn or think they ll make the most useless jobs in the world so that you work all day all just slow down your work rythm. they want your TIME

>>515994271
if they cared about crime do you think they would have made what is happening these days happen?

>>515982613 (OP)
futirists are funny, they envision a utopia of robots in a civilization dominated by upright Ape-humanoids, bug people, shit-eaters, Aztec heart eaters and other subhuman scum, funny ass shit

>>515985115
>>515993083
It's a good life for me. If I had neetbux, it would be perfect. There's nothing for me away from my room.

>>515982613 (OP)
We are allowed to be alive, because we are useful to the elites that run society. If we get to a position where we are no longer useful to the elites, most of us won't be around much longer.

Why are there 300 million people in the US, why not 3 million? because people currently have value.

>>515994373
My point is that even in the most ideal interpretation of this it's not going to be some utopia that people are imagining.

>>515994303
Reducing work time doesn't work because people only work because they get money, if you can get money for working more then people will choose to work more which leaves people unemployed. In fact reducing the efficiency of the most experienced workers brings down the efficiency of the whole system, experts and professionals should be allowed to work as much as they can.
The reason UBI has to happen is because capitalism is efficient, if you then go about and try to make the system less efficient to avoid it you may as well get rid of money entirely and go back to communist style command economy and ration cards.

>>515984424
>>515984522
Pure facts, we need to get out of the FIAT-slave system made by the Jewish Banking Cartel and the Israeli's first. Trump will not allow that to happen, because they own him with what is in the Epstein files (they have more content that the feds did not seize). MIGA needs to be dismantled first.

>>515994436
Ja bih se zaposlio u komunalcu kad bi mi dali takve neetbuxe.

>>515988793
so what the FUCK do you think will happen once they get their miracle AI?
you'll get 10k a month for nothing
bread will cost 20k
get fucked
but you can RENT entertainment.

>>515990193
most work isn't work, it's a complete waste of time
you are wrong

>>515982916
>"As long as you follow the law you can live"
>"basic 10 commandments + universal peace act"
Universal Peace Act is just some bullshit I'm making up, but the idea revolves around people not inconveniencing others with petty drama and violence. No making disruptive projects without community consent. General laws that regulate exactly how much people can withdraw from the system without their wants being disruptive.

>>515994778
>bread is 20k
>rich people go bankrupt buying bread
>we're all bankrupt
>we're all equal
Thanks anon I always thought UBI was a good idea but I didn't know it would solve 90% of our social problems as well.

>>515994778
Why would bread cost more, the fundamental economics of a bread factory do not change when the people get replaced by robots (they in fact improve). If you rise your price to 20k and the other guy keeps his bread at 1.5 dollars because it's profitable to sell at that price or what ever then obvious your factory goes out of business.

>>515994496
of course but you are very charitable to think that they want our time to reduce crime

>>515982613 (OP)
Didnt Sam altman murdered someone recently?

>>515982613 (OP)
I mean what is 120k a year then if we are all on the same, I mean actual jobs will have to spend more to keep workers then, meaning that 120k a year will just become the new NEET income.

>>515993037
my grandfather lived through this exact scenario in germany
he was paid with a wheelbarrow full of paper, aka money and had to RUN to the nearest bakery to buy, hang on, ONE loaf of bread
if he did not run FAST enough from the factory he worked in to the bakery, the money was not worth enough anymore
cui bono?
who benefits?
the jooos
the root cause: picrel

>>515995479
The primary issue in Germany at the time was that production collapsed.

>>515982613 (OP)
pople are cunts I doubt the elite would be willing to share any moeny with anyone. Robots will probably be like slaves how was it like in the olden days with slaves. The big companies have money doubt they will be willing to give money to people

>>515994883
yep
all those dumb fat roasties "working" at something
aka joooish daycare
remember the root cause: jooos

>>515982613 (OP)
A clanker won’t be able to do my job as well as I do

>>515995741
it's just a scam to ruin civilization

>>515995294
well, "he" fucked his sister, so there's that
jooos, always comical

>>515982613 (OP)
Why would YOU get paid?
The OWNER will get paid.
YOU will get a pod, bugs to eat and own nothing.

>>515982613 (OP)
The government would tax AI profits/distributions until people get only barely enough to survive... just like how we went from no income tax to being tax on 50% of our income

>>515995649
sure

>>515982613 (OP)
If AI can enable a cost free neet existence that I'll allow the jews to continue with their AI efforts. And the thing is, I don't even want a neet utopia life because I hate working per say, I just hate interacting with people (I just hate people) so I life where I can just be a shut in with an AI girlfriend would be very appealing for a person like me.

>>515982613 (OP)
Not only would this incite massive inflation, but the elite will find any way they can to divert that money to themselves

>>515994436
I dabble in that. There were periods in which months at a time I only left my house 2 h a week to buy groceries. Just know that you'll develop agoraphobia. Don't you have any friends ? I won't even ask about a girlfriend.

>>515982916
I am assuming the researcher is extrapolating into the future.
If AI and robotics can continue to improve to the point AI programs and robots can do most any job better than a human, at a lower cost, than that human work becomes not only unnecessary, but undesirable. At that point, it becomes necessary to pay humans for doing nothing so they can trade something to the AI supplied goods and services. because their time, skill, and knowledge will not to worth compensation. The payment could be though gifted stock of the AI companies, or huge welfare from the state, paid by taxing the AI companies at an obscene rate.
It sounds to me more like a hellscape than paradise, but is doesn't sound far-fetched.

>>515994168
>AI will take every job
Only people with no work experience and no conceptual understanding of the laws of physics believe this.

>>515982613 (OP)
>Well goy, rent just went up 100k a year. Sorry, it's the market.
And apples are now twenty bucks a piece.
A new car?
That'll be 400k thanks.
What, you want your own home? Selfish. that'll be fifty million for this shit shack.
Dont forget the 12k a month "tax"

>>515996882
Technically slavery is not a job so if UBI is not installed that's the only other option for people without a job. The most important jobs the society can't function without are lowest paying ones anyway.

>>515982916
you are now
zimbabwe

>>515995832
> https://apnews.com/article/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji-death-283e70b31d34ebb71b62e73aafb56a7d
No. Theres this. Despite the article claiming "no foul" play and "apparent suicide" he was found with his ring camera wires cut, blood in multiple rooms, and after ordering doordash before it came.

>>515995084
I'm aware that that's not why.

>>515995867
>YOU will get a pod, bugs to eat and own nothing.
That'll be $105k a year.

>>515997621
Tucker actually confronted him on it in an interview I saw lol. Sam is VERY clearly a lying freak, he immediately tried to gaslight Tucker and make him feel bad instead of just acting normal.

>>515990271
Only brown people are living better. White people are not. Peasants 500 years ago had it better desu. You didn't have socialized healthcare and maybe some bandits might show up but you didn't have niggers stabbing you in town and you ate actual food and not seed oil crap. Take me back ffs. I'd rather die at 45 then live to 75 as a slave to zog.

>>515997621
alt"man" is apparently a buttfucker
mentally ill and a jooo
perfect combo
did you know that buttfuckers are full of worms?
just full of them?
next time you touch one of your buttfuckfriends, remember to wash you hands
i am so glad they have this aidswarningflag established
whenever you see the aidsflag, just leave, don't support the business showing/displaying it
thanks
remember: the root cause are the jooos and joooish behaviour

>>515982613 (OP)
makes no sense. usecase for keeping the human alive? what do they bring to the table in such scenario?

>>515982613 (OP)
If everyone could get $10,000
One person could instead make 10 billion while everyone else gets nothing.
Issue with AI is that it’s so easy and simple that no one can get value from it except the people who own it (or the people who make the hardware it runs on)

>>515996807
it's called a post-scarcity society, the real kind, not the commie gobbledigook type
unfortunately there really isn't much literature about the topic outside of speculative fiction
Midas World has an interesting take on it where there are mandatory consumption quotas to keep the system going

>>515999547
owning all the zimbabwe dollars in the world means nothing if there is nothing for you to buy with them
if ~10 000 people owned all the money in the world it would stop being worth anything as money because it's value would be far too abstract for anyone to accept as payment
most certainly everyone else would agree on a different currency or form of exchange that would be pegged to things that are not capable of being produced by robots, are scarce to some degree and have a stricly finite quantity
even human based things like a person's time or sexual intercourse could be used as sources of value if codified and would be infinitely more preferable to the essentially hyperinflated real money because everyone knows how much receiving oral sex is worth to them personally

>>515986433
>Show me the gold standard in NS Germany. Show me the gold standard in Japan. Show me the gold standard in China. Just show me these things! Produce it!
banks are buying bullion fucking moron.
i have quite a bit of physical gold bought below 2k an ounce. i have nothing to prove to you fuck-kike.
cling to your fiat now that steak at costco is choice over $20/lb.
used to buy prime under $10.
FUCKING MORON
THE CURRENCY IS BEING DEBASED BY KIKES
AND YET YOU TRY AND TELL PEOPLE ITS THE WAY.
FUCK YOU KIKE.

>>515994628
>Pure facts, we need to get out of the FIAT-slave system made by the Jewish Banking Cartel and the Israeli's first. Trump will not allow that to happen, because they own him with what is in the Epstein files (they have more content that the feds did not seize). MIGA needs to be dismantled first.
thank you. the jews can on thrive is kike fiat is present. the minute all non-jews know that fiat printing is how kikes control everything the synagogue of satan will be extremely vulnerable.

>>515999193
>did you know that buttfuckers are full of worms?
a lot of leftist and faggot behavior is caused by parasites.
the gut brain connection is well know now.
and worms and parasites infesting the gut is mind control

>>516002921
Fiat currency can be "debased" and "strengthened" sort of at will. Spending creates money. Paying off debt and paying taxes destroys money.

>Make AI and robots work
>companies pays 50% of the supposed salary of that worker to the Treasury
>State Treasury gives money to the people
>People buy items created by those robots and AI

It works, will also make niggers out

>>516003199
>Paying off debt and paying taxes destroys money.
i have no debts.
all the shekel kike fiat money i get converts into useful things right away, food, power, "stuff" i need, tools, gold, ammo, arms, supplies, gasoline, diesel, generators, solar panels.
now you try to tell me
owning money on my house
is better than not?
how is that destroying money?
the only point of money is to translate good and labors into other goods and labors. in and of itself, it should be nothing but a medium of exchange.
but the fucking jews know how to skim and grift.
look at credit cards, banks, payment processors, paypal mafia, trillions created by kike skimming.
skimmers and rent seekers are mostly jewish and jew controlled and they need to be destroyed.
being debt free and prepped is a thousand times better than being a wage slave and debt slave to jews.

>>515982613 (OP)
*Deal only valid in Israel

Imagine the amount of dysgenic reproduction that will occur. Humanity will literally return to being monkeys.

>>515982613 (OP)
Chick's for free?

>>515982613 (OP)
will we still get this money if we are critical of israel?

>>516003575
>all the shekel kike fiat money i get converts into useful things right away, food, power, "stuff" i need, tools, gold, ammo, arms, supplies, gasoline, diesel, generators, solar panels.
>he uses money to buy real resources
wow. just like they drew it up. you are talking yourself into circles.

>>516004976
>wow. just like they drew it up. you are talking yourself into circles.
no, i can do and say what i want. i dont have debt. i treat money as a medium of exchange not some abstract concept.
i do see that the kikes change the values of money, CPI and GDP to fit their narrative. i also see that a lot less kike-shekel-fiat used to buy a lot more.
be a big boy
and price things in terms of 1971 dollars and compare.
or prince things in terms of gold and compare.
you know housing prices are DOWN in terms of gold?
hmmmmmmmmmm?
hmmmmmmm?
so by being in kike shekel fiat as little as possible and being aware kike bankers and deep state inflate that shit to make service their kike debts more possible and measuring the state of my existence in real items and real land owned without debts is somehow talking in circles
if you arent jewish you are pathetic. i mean, you being a jew would explain this idiocy, but to defend kikery and usury and rent seeking by jews while being afflicted by it, quite sad.
wagie thinks he has a large amount of kike shekel fiat scrip and he is going to flex.

>>515982613 (OP)
why not 1 million?

>>516004302
>Wall-E scenario
I have no problem with this.

OpenAI is cool trust me bro it does AI shit and gives you free money.
-Sam Altman's Paid Shill

>>516005511
Okay -- it's good that you don't have debt. Debt works differently for households than it does for governments.

>>515982613 (OP)
>AI will give everyone 120k per year
ask Grok what will happen with inflation rates if everyone would start to get 120k for a year for barely existing

>>516005859
>Debt works differently for households than it does for governments.
lol.
so why not mint trillion dollar coins and deposit it in the treasury and say all debts paid?
you know the jews proposed this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin
so if debt doesnt work the same, then why not mint a big jewish trillion dollar coin set and pay it all off?
tell me why.
Yeah…
You are my banker,
My great supplier,
Believe when I say,
I print it that way.
But we are two worlds apart,
Inflation off the chart,
When you say,
You’ll make us all pay.
Tell me why,
Ain’t nothin’ but a debt play,
Tell me why,
Ain’t nothin’ but the Fed’s way,
Tell me why,
I never wanna hear you say,
“I balanced that way.”
Am I your debtor?
Your bond collector?
Yes, I know it’s too late,
But I print it that way.
Now I can see that we’ve gone off the mark,
From the gold that we used to keep, yeah,
No matter the printing, I want you to know,
The shekels flow endlessly.
You are my fiat,
My sweet green paper,
You are (you are, you are, you are),
Don’t wanna hear you say…
Ain’t nothin’ but a shell game (hey yeah),
Ain’t nothin’ but a debt chain (don’t wanna hear you say),
I never wanna hear you say (oh yeah),
“I save it that way.”
Tell me why,
Ain’t nothin’ but inflation,
Tell me why,
Ain’t nothin’ but taxation,
Tell me why,
I never wanna hear you say,
“I pay it that way.”
’Cause I print it that way…

>>516006053
>what will happen to inflation rates
Nothing because inflation is caused by money printing. You're mistaking the phenomena with cost increases. If the money was collected through taxation and no money printing there would be no actual inflation but the prices definitely would go insane.

>>515982613 (OP)
The Present: AI will allow humans to make 10 thousand dollars a month while doing nothing!!!

The Future: Well THAT didn't work.....

>>516006053
It wouldn't be inflationary if we assume we also increase the amount of goods and services produced by an equivalent amount.

>>515982613 (OP)
If everyone has $10000, then $10000 will have no value.

>>516006516
I'd rather have mankind exterminated by an AI than serving Peter Thiel and Elon Musk - Skynet would probably do it with less human suffering.
>>516007218
if 10000x = 0 then (amount of money bezos has)*x = 0 as well and that's a win if you ask me.

>>516006257
>so why not mint trillion dollar coins and deposit it in the treasury and say all debts paid?
Government creates money. It is an ORIGIN point for money. Government spends the money unit into existence. Spending necessarily predates income -- it must come first.

The national debt is a record of money the government has spent into the economy that it has not removed through taxation. A public deficit is a private sector surplus. Do you understand this? Is this straightforward enough? Debts and liabilities mirror each other, you can get this right? If I loan you $100 it is my asset and your liability. It is mirrored. If you pay it off, the debt is destroyed and instead of their being $200 in book money, there is now just $100. Okay? Simple enough.

>>515983936
120k just becomes the new minimum wage retard. the purchasing power of the new 120k minimum wage would be no different than the purchasing power of today's minimum wage after skyrocketing demand.

>>516007615
>Government creates money.
money cant be created, its mined. the constitution setup the dollar as gold and silver.
federal kike notes and treasury dollars are two different things.
the jews fooled everyone into thinking dollars and federal reserve note dollars are the same.
they arent.

>>516007938
You're incredibly stupid and don't know anything about economics.

>>516008011
And yet there isn't a serious world power that uses gold as their national money.

>>516008011
>>516008151
And jews are the biggest gold standard shills around. Austrian economics reads like a jewish wedding. It's a scam. Why on earth would you want money to be scarce?

>>516007615
>Do you understand this?
you clearly, clearly dont.
anyone running the scam you are detailing would be labeled a fraud and put and jail.
but a government can do it "because"
you have a lot to learn, grasshopper.
just because the de facto system is large and seems invincible doesnt make it right.
lets just put it this way, if there wasnt a large military and nuclear arsenal in the jewnited states, the dollar would be worth less than zimbabwe dollar.

>>516008095
>>516008095
ranjeet i actually have a masters in economics

>>516008151
>And yet there isn't a serious world power that uses gold as their national money.
they are hording it now fucking moron.
if it was so worthless, they wouldnt be doing that.
they just have the unwashed masses doing business in bank notes and national scrip
but make no mistake, all the big countries are hoarding gold right now as you type your fucking crap.

>>515983173
I'm hopeful the automotive and landscaping phase of humanity ends and the AI and UBI one starts

>>516008274
There isn't a large army or a nuclear arsenal in Japan or Switzerland, but those currencies still have value. Because the value of a currency is derived by what you can buy with it.

>>516008485
>. Because the value of a currency is derived by what you can buy with it.
back to the leverage thing.
since you are so smart, you should either be so wealthy you dont have to be here talking jewish nonese, or you should open a forex or some other fund and get people to buy into your fund.
put your fucking money where you mouth is.
if you know so well how money works, trade in it, get so rich and be done with this fake and gay shit.
like i said, im debt free, and i value myself in terms of gold and other real tangible things that are tools and made of atoms.
not some kike shit on a jewish bank account of stonks screen.

they have that. it's called jail

>>515983066
so you're saying my rent would be paid off?

>>515982613 (OP)
hahahahaha these people want access to your brain ahahahaha sadly there are many that will sign up for that too. Billions of stupid idiots.

>>515982613 (OP)
And groceries will be 20k/month.
For 10k you will get nothing but onions and insects. Bon appétit!

>>515982613 (OP)
That fat retard doesn't know shit about fuck

They will never give Americans enough money to not be miserable, let alone buy enough equipment and arms to end the people causing their misery.

>>515995081
Reality is proof it doesn't work this way. Corporations can and do conspire to hike prices together. The COVID price hikes are a publicly acknowledged fact, many prices were raised to a degree not commensurate with the rising cost of providing the good, and then when those costs disappeared, the prices still have not come down.

>>515982613 (OP)
>AI works for you
>you receive $120k a year
>a bottle of milk costs $100
>a loaf of bread $110
Welcome to the brave new world, serfs! Here, watch new celebrity drama #846 and be happy.

>>515983173
>your only job is to troon out and remove yourself from the gene pool
ftfy

>>515990271
Ah you're one of those "instead of all dieing of AIDS at age 16, Africans are now growing old and having even more children in poverty, but hey at least the number goes up" people?

>>515990271
ok bro

>>516010426
>Poor people just end up poor again.
For people who are already poor there is no reason to try this. Richfags are pussy because they're not 100% sure this wouldn't work.

>>515990271
If the magical GDP went up so much, why is everybody you know struggling? In 1970 half of all 30 year old men had a house and a child, nowadays it's 15%

>>516010933
this is a direct result of the christians allying themselves with israel.

>>515990271
You are delusional

>>515982613 (OP)
Yeah, .ets let AI run everything so we get a few shekels and the dollar tanks forever once we’re all “equal”, what could possibly go wrong?

>>516011197
Why does the reason matter? I said things are worse now and I proved it with various numbers

>>516011166
>tfw you'll never be a US boomer who could work a minimum wage job and spend half of my shift on a smoke break because the local union would kill to protect that right and be able to buy a house, a car, and afford a wedding and a honeymoon a year later

>>516011631
i didn’t read the thread i just replied to a post i saw.

>>515982613 (OP)
>here is 130k a year.
>rent is now 240k a year.

>>515982613 (OP)
I make $120k a year now. I have to work regualr 12 hour shifts, work up to 90 hrs a week on outages, work night turn, work in very dangerous conditions, follow lots of saftey bullshit, do regular training, etc


Better make my pay like $500k if they want me to keep working in that shithole

>>515984008
100%
only complete cattle nigger retards believe they'll get their fair share. most will be culled, the rest sterilized and enslaved.

>>516010328
Why isn't bread at 20k now? The bread corporations could just conspire to hike prices together.

>>516011660
I would rather be a CEO than that, and CEOs have it better now.

Strive to be a CEO, not a lazy union worker.

>>516013443
It would, A.I will increase productivity.

>>515982613 (OP)
If everyone got $120k for doing nothing, then $120 would no longer be enough money to buy anything.

>>516014782
Yes anon, you're right, I should apply for that entry level CEO position in my local town.

At which point humanity will go extinct. We'll just stop reproducing, and we'll lose all purpose in life because all the struggling and suffering will be over. We will live in socialist heaven for a while, and then the planet will go back to nature.

>>516014654
Because normal people don't have 20k lying around.
The moment they do, prices will increase.

>>515982613 (OP)
>$10k per month ((((in the future)))
The value of currency is horribly inflated and it costs a million dollars to buy a jar of pickles.

>>516014971
You're right anon, I should just get a union job, it's so easy! Just become a union member!

>>515982613 (OP)
The AI wrangler bugmen will never agree to let laid off white working men get benefits off of the fruits of their labour. If everyone in the world was a nigger, however...
But then again, the IT sector is getting overrun by pajeets, those won't agree to share even with niggers.

>>516011660
It's not directly the boomer's fault I suppose, but their sheer fucking hubris thinking it was all bootstraps and not sheer fucking luck is appaling

>>516012396
So you're a dumbass who craves attention

>>515982613 (OP)
no thanks

>>516014830
That means more bonuses and higher CEO salaries, not better wages for regular people.

>>516008011
>cringe reverse
big yikes

>>516015767
>implying that's not literally what it was like until Bush
I would recommend watching an early 00s movie called The Machinist.

>>515982613 (OP)
Yes, this has been the entire goal of tech since the stone age. Eliminating labor.

>>515982613 (OP)
bullshit, ai retards are the worse
anyone who actually used it know it sucks dick, in code problems it can do only student level projects, that's why you don't hear about any new 100% ai coded applications that isn't easy to implement even without it.
try it on even easy hardware coding like connecting some shit to raspberrypi and it will tell you wrong pins, the code won't work and you will burn the whole thing.
in other fields it sucks too
can't wait this fucking bubble to burst ai troons will jump off the windows

>>515982613 (OP)
Imagine all the thirdies moving in to get a slice of that pie. Having it for the dreggs of society would topple the system as nogs will nog. Maybe 2005 Sweden would have worked with it.

>>516016014
No, it means wages for workers go up, CEOs will just be taxed to death anyway.

Also that image shows the envious mindset of a socialist

>"rather than solve issues of housing, medical care, and housing, I will do my best to hurt the few people who managed to be successful anyway. Why make my life better when i can hurt the successful?"

>>516016156
Unions were gate keepers of industry, they would only let in people with connections.

It would have to be done hard and FAST to prevent the prices of everything from going up. That's the only way I can see it.

>>516009903
This anon has a point.

>>515984424
>Chinks printing fake money is good doe

>>516014830
AI is will not replace my job for a long long time. Probably not in my lifetime. If anything AI will make my job more in demand

>>516016014
Really is. I just lost my job and I'm hunting for a job and the pay for some of these positions are on par of what was offered like ten or 15 years ago. The funny thing is that the hiring managers or recruiters are serious when they tell you what the pay is.

>>516016490
This is literally the only valid argument against.
>>516016709
You literally just had to pay membership for it and if you were not an asshole to your coworkers you'd eventually be invited to join anyway.
>>516016649
>hurt successful jobs
If the "successful" class is just non-productive "jobs" like salesman, product manager, and other made up jew daycare jobs it's valid to want to tear them down. I wouldn't mind if people who made more money than me were doctors, engineers, and scientists.

>>515982613 (OP)
If the give away 120k/yr merchants will just double their prices.

>>516017726
>at worst if you're poor you're back to where you started
I really don't see why you wouldn't try except for what >>516016490 said

>>515995479
Wow, insanity, central banking and taxation is truly evil.

>>516017207
If they are non-productive why do companies hire them?

>"I wouldn't mind if people who made more money than me were doctors, engineers, and scientists."

Those are the people who make all the money.

AI yez, scum who want to use AI and rule with an iron fist no.

They will give and demand more in return and everything will be taken away.

AI will give and lrt us garden, live in peace and be well... but we won't make it that far due to labs and nukes.

>>515982613 (OP)
Nope. Life is only fun if only a small group of elites is able to do what they want with their free time. The rest of you must slave.

>>516018197
Because the modern US economy is not internally based on actually making stuff but convincing people they need to spend money on bullshit they don't really need. If all those people were suddenly abducted by aliens nothing bad would happen, but if you lost your garbagemen, teachers, and bakers who only get paid enough to slow down how quickly they're falling into debt you would descend into a Mad Max scenario within 24 hours.

>>516016649
>it means wages for workers go up, CEOs will just be taxed to death anyway.
When has this ever happened? Is this one of those "real capitalism has never been tried" opinions?

>>516018654
That much was obvious during covid. Half the people I knew didnt even work. My life didnt change 1 bit

>>515982613 (OP)
>former researcher
wowee!

>>515982613 (OP)
"AI will give" as if it has a mind of its own and isn't a tool to be used and abused by our oligarchies. Ridiculous.

>>515982613 (OP)
>You just have to own nothing, and have no rights.

>>515983608
>le plot twist
God I hate that stupid meme saying so much, twenty goddamn years later and people are still using it. Might as well say things are groovy or far out man while you are at it. Just say your gay little joke without that stupid preface.

>>515982613 (OP)
if everyone has 120k 120k is worthless

>>515982613 (OP)
based, where do i collect my check? I'm ready

>>516019848
>120k would be worthless
>If 120000x = 0 then it follows that (amount of money Bezos has) * x = 0
I don't see why you wouldn't be willing to try this system, if you're poor, you would be back where you started at worst.

>>516018654
One teacher or garbage man dissapearing doesn't make a difference.

If a Product Manager at META dissapeared, an entire product line could get screwed, a product that would be used by MILLIONS of people.

Marginal benefit and cost.

>>516020185
>6 gorillion people wouldn't get the newest brainrot kike algorhythm update on Instagram
>a tragedy
I can assure you that at a school, if you ever worked as a teacher you'd know, that a single teacher getting sick matters a lot.

>>515983704
Dig tunnels.

>>515983704
>be me
>an ecofag
If it's not looked down upon anymore, I'd instantly apply to be a garbage man.

>>515984008
>the kikes
You were so close until this part.

There are greedy whites in there. Stop deflecting to women, blacks, and transgenders like Charlie Kirk. Whites are AT LEAST EQUALLY guilty for society's problem.

>>516020659
They have substitutes, literally called 'substitutes"

If teaching was a profession that only 0.1% of people could do, you'd have a point, but it's not.

>>516019848
> If more wealth exists, everyone is poorer
> inb4 money isn't wealth
The wealth already exists, money just gives you access to it. When robots and AI are producing the wealth, how else are you supposed to get some of it? You can't earn money, because you can't compete with bots and AI.

>>515984184
cost of eggs: $49,999 for a dozen!

>>516021393
>substitutes
You don't know that's just other teachers working overtime? There's no such thing as a dedicated substitute teacher.
>If teaching was a profession that only 0.1% of people could do, you'd have a point, but it's not
You're partially right. The reason your educational system is shit is because the profession is treated both when it comes to pay and societal respect as something that should only be done by the dregs of society, unless it's private schools, of course. Don't you think only above average people should be allowed to interact with the literal futures of your society?

>>516021878
Most teachers are subsitites because there's such an oversupply.

>>516021878
Why is American education system so much better than other countries where teachers are paid more then?

>>515984008
Except that people have the internet now, and things like AI are so magically, obviously, automated you can't hide it. The gains of some factory cranking up productivity 5000% can be physically concealed and the gains siphoned off. When everybody has access to their own Commander Data it's very hard to keep the "Everyone has to work because scarcity" meme going. This is also why they're desperate to shut down WFH (among other reasons).

>>515982916
because it totally works like today when you print endless money and you lose 5-10% of your wealth each year

>>516022199
Inflation only occurs if real growth doesn't match the printing. You can't earn a paycheck in a robotic or AI economy. But robots and AI don't need paychecks. UBI is your share of the robots' pay, so you can afford to buy what they make.

>>516022106
>American education system
>better
The American education system is considered the one of the most absurd, abominable aspects of its society, even if you don't take school shootings and gang related shit into account.

>>515982613 (OP)
I'm sure that will happen. Jews never lie and are not deceitful.

>>516022493
I've only heard jealous Europeans say that.

We literally have all Ivy Leagues.

>>516022511
sure

>>516022493
School shootings only started after we got the CIA and SSRIs.

>>516022856
>nepo schools are good
Wow you actually selectively understand the logic behind having the most capable people working in education.

Imagine living through the last 20 years and still believing that such a thing is possible lmao. How easy of a life did this faggot have that he was insulated from reality for so long.

>>516021479
people today would think it weird that early in the country's history people paid a similar amount of money for things in general as their great grandparents did. today we are so conditioned to accept inflation as normal as long as it occurs slow enough like on a generational timeline but it is the single greatest force keeping poor people poor and preventing them from ever accumulating generational wealth to pass down, and is the most important issue aside from looming white extinction

>>516023338
The last 20 years proves this to be possible.

>>516023338
Are you blind? It worked great during covid. Shutting down the fake jobs and giving people free money (rather than having them wage at a fake job for the money) skyrocketed the economy. After we rolled it back in late 2022/2023 did things contracted again.

>>515982613 (OP)
Wouldn't this just suck ass for anyone who doesn't own property?

>>516008268
why would you want money that isnt real or backed by anything?
you realize the fucking jews print it, change the CPI and GDP, and gaslight you into believing their scrip kike shekel fiat is real and worth saving but in reality most people are in a black hole unable to increase their income faster than inflation.

>>515982613 (OP)
How many hundreds of dollars does a loaf of bread cost?

>>515985919
>Nuremberg rally.
rentenmarks/reichsmarks were backed in land as well as gold.

>>516023822
However much the robot charges you for it.

>>515982613 (OP)
The only way this could work is if all industries get fully automatized and shit like lab-meat becomes cheap and common which isn't going to happen any time soon. Giving everyone $120k now would make everyone poorer because the prices for certain goods would shoot to the moon (ie. if everyone eats rib-eye for dinner, rib-eyes gonna quickly rise to $1000/lbs)

>>516024014
>if everyone eats rib-eye for dinner, rib-eyes gonna quickly rise to $1000/lbs
nailed it.
if money can be 'printed' like kike scrip shekel jew fiat, then the prices of everything just goes way up the more they print, its pernicious and regressive as well, hitting the things most people need the hardest (eg, gas, decent food, vital medical supplies, drugs, housing, durable goods)

>>516023822
Why would the cost of bread ever seriously rise? Supply has been solved and demand really isn't going to increase much, if at all.

>>516022199
ai robots will only be viable and rolled out to that extent every country will need to increase energy generation on magnitudes much higher than they do now.
US generates most of its energy in nattie gas and fossil fuel.

unless theres a chicom plan to rollout more powerplants then these ai robots will be prohibitively expensive that only richfags will have them and they'l just be like automated personal assistants.
everybody all talking about this future tech stuff but only china is really set up for that shit.
with the age of quantum computing and AI which requires much more power and evergy generation, most of the world will probably get choked out in smog, fumes, and what have you from all the pollution generated by coal and natural gas power plants.

Miles Bungerage sounds like a dorks name who is only obsessed with DnD.
probably got his teacher to submit his article to the daily mail.

>>516024299
You're incorrectly assuming that the supply of rib-eyes won't go up. More automation/productivity = more of what people want to buy. Remember that OP isn't suggesting we just print money, but only print it to scale with automation.

>>515982613 (OP)
What he is saying, is, the government will take care of everything and you will be a slave.

>>516024535
something has changed in capitalist strategy.
did you know that its actually cheaper to swtich your insurence then to be a dedicated to one insurene company for five years.
i'd agree with you in classical capitalism, but in hypercapitalism where people are just seen as tax and consumerist cattle.
and considering dwindling of resources and arible land.
the more demand ther is for something they will charge more for, becuase capitalists are once again in their asshole douchebag phase, becuase trump took the collars off and are letting the pigdogs run wild on the chicken coop.

>>515982613 (OP)
Its honestly a garbage life "doing nothing" what's the point of 120k/year if you don't do anything anyways?

>>516024535
>More automation/productivity = more of what people want to buy
you think the farmers out there that have survived until this day are fucking morons? you think there is a ton of optimization on the table?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAH!
go work on a modern farm. automation out the ass, engineering plants, engineered seeds, ph and soil monitoring live, satellite assistance, automated tractors, etc.
walmart is 700 billion with a 3% profit margin...
you think gold, oil, gas, and in mining in general is some inefficient nigger operation?
fucking being able to make a slim margin on any commodity these days is a fucking miracle, its shiftless know-nothing bums think AI or whatever is going to come along in the world of atoms and fix things into being all star trek suddenly. the world of atoms is a fucking rough neighborhood, the computer you type all this shit on? fuck you could go to the year 1500 and print out all the known knowledge of today and it would probably take the same amount of time to get back to where humanity is today - tech and industrial processes and scale dont just happen.
read about how japan cornered natural rubber in ww2 and the usa and allies spent about a quarter of the manhattan project making synthetic rubber. like you think people have been jerking off? natural rubber is still used to make tires for jets today because all those "unproductive" people have been doing what since 1945? trying to fuck up synthetic rubber?
you fucking people are so deluded by jews like there is all this productivity and efficiency on the table! people are already splitting hairs cranking out stuff people want to buy.
try building anything that is see by consumers as a commodity. then try to make a margin on that.
>but only print it to scale with automation.
this has never happened. every time the printing jew gets the printer, they print themselves a fortune and print the sheeple out of their standard of living.

>>515982613 (OP)

AI bribes?

Add pussy.

No pussy, No work.

Too late kikes.

>>516025104
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying but I think I agree with you on some points.

> something has changed in capitalist strategy.
> did you know that its actually cheaper to swtich your insurence then to be a dedicated to one insurene company for five years.
Yes, that change happened when scarcity began to be solved, and the abundance siphoned off. Prices have become an illusion; I was talking about "real" prices.
> and considering dwindling of resources and arible land.
This is an illusion. Arable land is more available than ever and science + environmental consciousness will enhance this. Efficiency keeps rising; we've never been able to produce more with less.

Trump is a boomer who thinks work is wonderful, but this problem started long ago.

>>516025123
If I got approved for UBI I'd instantly apply for being a garbageman.

>>516024535
>You're incorrectly assuming that the supply of rib-eyes won't go up
since its so easy to make ribeyes, you should start farm right now. since that margin is so easy to make and there is so much productivity on the table.
its at least $20/lb for choice at costco. easy, you show the world how your beef farm will make you so rich.
ill buy a whole dressed beef carcass from you if you can beat $5lb - lets see your beef operation start! go!

>>516025353
> go work on a modern farm. automation out the ass, engineering plants, engineered seeds, ph and soil monitoring live, satellite assistance, automated tractors, etc.
If I'm doing work than that work isn't automated...
> walmart is 700 billion with a 3% profit margin...
No it isn't, this is just PR/tax evasion. Most of Walmart's revenue comes from rents now.
Corporations will have vacuumed up 99% of the earth's wealth and resources and you would still be swallowing the "slim margin" meme.
> this has never happened. every time the printing jew gets the printer, they print themselves a fortune and print the sheeple out of their standard of living.
They didn't "get control of it" they made it. The treasury should issue the currency.

>>516025558
the current system makes me think there is some sort of scarcity.
false scarcity or real scaricty.
but everyone is being prices out.
who knows maybe they secretly want a communist revolution in america.