Thread 516109604

The concept of The Holy Trinity is a byproduct of Numerology and Gnostic teachings in the early church and has no basis in The Bible.

>>516109604 (OP)
No. It's a byproduct of confusion.

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

>>516109604 (OP)
No no, don't you remember the part of the Gospels where Jesus tells his disciples that the Father he keeps talking to is in fact himself and there's also a spook on a grassy knoll that is also him?

>>516109604 (OP)
>>516110008
The Trinity is an ex post facto rationalization in some Christcuck (read: nu-jew)'s headcanon

>>516109604 (OP)
we always have been commanded to baptize in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit. even in the old testament there was the lord, the angel of the lord, and the spirit of the lord

>>516109604 (OP)
The same numerologic and gnostic early church assembled the bible retard

>>516111162
Anon 420:69

For there shall be legions of faggy Christcucks holding onto their precious book like a safety blanket, sucking the teet of Israel. And, lo, wheresoever thou encounter such kiked cuckery, thou shalt point and laugh. The word of the Anon.

>>516111774
>we were always jewish, even when we were jewish, we were jewish

>>516109604 (OP)
It was one of the the only concepts that could explain the different statements in both the new and old testament.

No book should be seen as the word of God. At best it's the words of men in their encounters with God. That's why the inclusion of 4 gospels from different apostles were necessary to corroborate the life, death, and resurrection of Christ.

>>516112019
das rite. we're the new jerusalem

>>516109604 (OP)
I always thought it was the product of pharisaical autism. Its not possible to derive most christian theology from the bible. If these scholars were made to study botany or something instead this kind of stuff wouldn't exist. 99.99% of christians have no idea what homousias even means, and would never argue over it.

>>516112887
>homousias
because few speak greek. in english, we say "consubstantial"

>>516109604 (OP)
>Trinity
>Gnostic
LOL

>>516111927

>>516109604 (OP)
you dont get it until you receive the Holy Spirit.

>>516109604 (OP)
Lets see what Jesus himself says
Matthew 28:19
>Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
>Father
>Son
>Holy Spirit

You are a fuckin moron and a heretic

>>516109604 (OP)
I have christcuck fatigue

>>516109604 (OP)
and who compiled this Bible?

>>516109604 (OP)
It's literally prophecised in the Old testament.

There's plenty of times where the OT states that
>God sent God
???

This is obviously a reference for what was to come (Jesus). Which makes sense

The holy trinity also is logical as well

>Robert is 29, a doctor, and married

Is every 29 year old a doc and married? No.
Is every doctor, 29 years and married? No
Is every married man 29 and a doctor? No.

They aren't intertwined with eachother but they all are intertwined with the hypothetical man named Robert

>>516113015
Again, most of the faithful have no idea what this means and don't really care. Scholasticism was a mistake.

>>516111600
>so what did he exactly sacrifice

Imagine transforming yourself into a worm, sounds humiliating right? Imagine how God would've felt when He came down in human form.

Also
>through His wounds you shall heal.
Everytime you commit a sin, you hurt God, God sacrificed His eternity willingly for you

Fuck off, freemason faggot.

>>516109604 (OP)
post links faggot
also not political
also your a faggot

>>516114055
>most of the faithful have no idea what this means and don't really care
we say it in the creed every sunday

>>516111927
Don’t be a faggot, he said that there was no biblical justification for the trinity. Wonderful counsellor = Holy Spirit; everlasting father = god the father; prince of peace = Christ; mighty god = all three parts in one. His idea is refuted, your response is an ad hominem. Be better, get some arguments.

>>516109604 (OP)
I can kind of understand Jesus = God but how did the Holy Spirit become God as well this is like polytheism at this point, Do christcucks seriously believe this shit?

The trinity is from the top section of the kabbalah sephirot, it was also a big concept in neoplatonism

>>516115310
the holy spirit arises from the love between the father and the son. orthodox bros will argue against this,though

I can say with absolute confidence that absolute monotheism is a bunk as it leaves no room for what is good or bad.
As for the trinity, I'm just confused as to why not more? It certainly can't be infinite.
Two is enough, already a complete set of reality, the loved, lover and the spirit of love.
But it's not like there is a mind deciding what is reality or what reality should be.
There's also the fact that the father and the son are both eternal so that's out of the question.

My mind is going to explode.

>>516114012
The translations are very fucked up and retarded

>>516115626
And how does that make the Holy Spirit God?

>>516115749
what else could he be?

>>516115820
Give the actual in-lore explanation.

>>516115310
first paragraph in the bible
>1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

>>516109604 (OP)
So the father is infinite and eternal. The spirit is not eternal but infinite. The son is infinite but is it eternal? And if so how could that be when it is a creation of the father. Something that is eternal can not be created. It either always was or was not.

>>516115990
God and His Spirit are 2 separate entities?

>>516109604 (OP)
>>516110008
this the retarded Muzlime thread?

>>516115867
A part or union of Him that gets enough agency I guess.
It's not hard to get the gist of it so it's just left there but trying to understand it in a human manner is just absurd.
Think of it like this, Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta.

>>516116120
no

John 1
1In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Sond from the Father, full of grace and truth.

>>516115867
>Give the actual in-lore explanation.
a marauding pedophile sex cult leader antichrist named mohampedo was able to trick you into believing he's a propite -- because you're retarded

>>516116425
If the Spirit and God are one and the same, then why make the distinction?

any retarded Muzlimese in this retarded Muzlime thread to engage with me on these??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>516116570
because in about 2000 years a retarded marauding pedophile sex cult leader antichrist is going to try and trick you with such sophistry, as if you're not a retard who'd worship a marauding pedophile sex cult leader antichrist already and in need of such a thing

lol


where are the Muzlimese?

>>516116791
Jesus never had sex.

>>516111162
He didn't refute shit you illiterate disingenuous lying fuck. No wonder you "Christians" love jews so much. You lie and twist truth and play pilpul games while arguing in bad faith on arbitrary legalistic trivia exactly like they kikes do.
>>516115213
>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given
Thats one person. The child is the a son, a male, that's ONE person.
>he government shall be upon his shoulder
>the child has someone/something called "government" on his shoulder. That's arguably two now if I'm being generous. Let's pretend government means a person since it's all you've got.
>and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
And here is a big list of fancy titles we might call this child or son by.

There is no fucking trinity. There's a child/son, a "government", then a list of titles for the child/son. Even if it listed three things, you don't get to assert every single set of three things ever written counts as biblical authority proving your made up trinity dipshit. The word tirnity never appears in the Bible. The concept is never emphasized either. It's completely arbitrary and was made up long after Christ's death. One could just as easily make up "The Binary" and call it Jesus and the Heavenly Father, then simply point out that both Jesus and the heavenly father are often mentioned, as are pairs of things. Case closed, the binary is biblical Canon. Could do the same for a Holy Quaternary by adding marry into the mix. You're actual retards who can't think for yourselves at all. The trinity is 100% arbitrary, vain trivial, dogma. You can make up whtaver mental framework you want to help wrap your head around things but to push it on all other Christians as biblically accurate objective truth is just flat out lying and you all fucking know it.

It's just Ra, Horus, and Osiris scrambled up and given different names.
Jesus was the last physical incarnation of Horus.

>>516116925
you there

ingellitent sceptic

what do you think about propet mohammed phub?

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guys why are Muzlimese so retarde-

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>>516109604 (OP)
>The concept
You will probably never believe me but I have seen God.

>>516109604 (OP)
The Holy Trinity is an interpretation that reckons the oneness and divinity of God with the persons of God in a way that keeps God as the supreme being without losing reverence for his other persons. This is important because both Christ and The spirit are referred to as God in the New Testament.
It's because referencing all three of these persons as God but also referring to the Father as the supreme God creates a dilemma. Not every Christian sect believes in the Trinity. Some see God as a hierarchy of three persons of the same substance.
There are many verses that validate the Trinity even though it's an interpretation from scripture. These verses speak to the oneness of God and Christ, or of God being in us through the Holy Spirit. All of them speak of a shared knowledge between the three. For reverence's sake Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity is a logical conclusion of all this.

>>516117938
what do you make of these?
>>516116195
>>516116614
>>516116918

where's the ambiguity specifically?

it's clear as day isn't it?

Psalm 2

2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

>2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

>3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

>4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

>6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

>7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

>12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

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>>516117778
And what did God look like?

The trinity makes absolute sense when you view it from a platonic/neo platonic framing.
>Pleroma resides within the Godhead
>Pleroma was distinguished into an individual identity, Creator God, still made of pleroma
>Creator God, a being of Pleroma, sent an Aeon, Jesus, to Earth. Jesus is a physical embodiment of pleroma, conceived of pleroma
The Godhead of Pleroma is the Holy Spirit, the creator God is God the Father, and the Aeon Jesus the Son. All three are made of the same stuff, Pleroma, but are different emanations

>>516117050
I renounce all religions of jewish origin. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Islam and christianity are simply two more branches of jews. You both ultimately serve jewish interests and you're both too indoctrinated by jewish brainwashing to see it. Jews created your entire spirtual and metaphysical worldview, your morality, your motivations; your every belief was given to you by jews to make you behave in a way that ultimately serves their interests in the long run. You think you're winning by waging their wars for them and you're too fucking inbred to see how obvious it all is. Maybe if you dumb fucks had focused on retaliation against Israel from day one instead of trying to take over Europe and the US simultaneously you would have succeeded. But you didn't, because you take your orders from jewish handlers who infiltrated and took over your entire hierarchy just like they did with christianity.

>>516109604 (OP)
You need to read more apologetics and learn your theology before you deny the triune God. An example within the bible can be found painly in the beginning of John.

>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

Quite simply, there is a binary that exists. Things that are created, creature, and those that are uncreated, which we give the highest title to known as God. Now, quite plainly it is stated within the beginnings of John, not only that the Word with God, but that the word was God. Now if the Word was created, the Word would not be with God in the beginning, and would need to be created. However the Word was with God and thus not created. For if he were to be created, then he would not be with God in the beginning. Not only was the Word with God, it is through him all things were made, meaning the word is not creature. And if the Word is not created, it must be said that it is not creature. And if the Word is not creature, then the Word must simply be God.

>>516109604 (OP)
gnostic teachings are just hindu teachings without credit
the only good thing abrahamic religions ever "produced" was Jesus and that's only because he spent most of his life learning in India

>>516118513
The one that appeared in my dream look like alien in Annihilation, and the Truth in full metal alchemist. As far as I know. That being certainly is capable of predicting the Future with 100% accuracy.

https://youtu.be/uBsJgceM0KI?si=moMLYHmKhdthZiSb

>>516119001
he's right, you are wrong.

qualifying the holy spirit as a personality is retarded and has absolutely no basis in the scriptures.

it's a satanic concept

>>516114012
You're getting too close to modalism, lol.

>>516119001
Nobody is arguing against Holy Spirt being the same as God the Father. Jesus was quite literally created within the womb of Mary. How do your apologetics address this?

Gnosticism is satanic, The Inquisition was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyyPgGVMoE

>>516118707
how do you feel about the fact that you will in fact die in your seethe,
having malded throughout your tale, told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing?

just jews?

that totally rocks dawg

>>516118689
I can get down with purely allegorical/metaphorical/symbolic spirtual wisdom all day every day. My issue with the trinity isn't the trinity itself, but the history of legalistic, dogmatic hamfisting of it by the church. Trinitarians act as if memorizing and repeating arbitrary strings of words is the key to salvation, going as far as to brand others heretics for not playing along and even kill over it. Funny you should mention gnostic concepts at all. You know what the church did you people who made Christianity make sense right? They killed them. They killed them by the millions, they killed their entire families. The Cathars were likely the only legitimate, semi organized branch of Christianity in history and they were wiped out for the unforgivable sin of rejecting violence as Christ taught.

>>516109604 (OP)

Your mind can only exist in God's mind, which is to say that there can only be one mind, but there is a separation of the individual (The Son) from God (The Father / whole), though there is a Holy Spirit, which is knowledge of the mathematical / logical truth that there can only be one mind and you are with God.

That is the message of Jesus and why they killed him, and merged Christianity with Roman pagan ideals to muddy the waters. The books of many christian sects were burned over the first 3 centuries following his death by the Romans, the same people that killed him, in their establishment of the Roman church.

>>516109604 (OP)
No it isn't.
The trinity originates thousands of years earlier in Proto Indo European religions.

>>516118154
Old Testament verses referring to the Spirit of God further validate that the Trinity existed from the beginning making the Trinity consistent. The first chapter of John and other statements in the Bible by and about Jesus further reinforces the interpretation in the Nicene creed.
>God from God
>Light from Light
>True God from True God
>Begotten, not made

>>516109604 (OP)
If someone denies the divinity of Jesus, they aren’t Christian. But many catholics and denying the pope also.

Exodus 20:5 has the Godhead declaring His eternal nature 3-in-1: saying God, Your God, Jealous God.

Tao created the One;
The One produced the Two;
The two produced the Three;
And the Three produced all things.

>>516119144
what about when you'd be forgiven for having insulted Him, but not if you have insulted the Spirit?

what about when Jesus said it was good that He was going away, so that He can send the Spirit

>saDanicsse barraddarr
you Muzlimese are so stupid

oh i already said this a number of times in this thread

>>516116120
2 persons, one essence

>>516115749
Because Greek niggas loved the number 3.

>>516118707
Christianity isn't a branch of Judaism, it always was the source and complete truth. John 8:58

>>516119495
Yes, the Church did absolutely everything they could to wipe Gnosticism from the earth. Amazing the lengths they went to, it wouldn't make any sense at all to destroy so thoroughly unless it was the truth.

Also amazing how the Church constantly sides with those that are avowed to destroy Christians. Jews openly mock Jesus and say he is boiling in shit, while Muslims say Jesus was a prophet and second only to Muhammed. Guess who they ally with?

Or maybe even the Druidic Arwen which had influence on early Celtic Christianity.

>>516109604 (OP)
The Trinity started with the obsession with making it canon that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God at the same time.
He couldn't be a God wearing human skin, or a human that was ascended into being God. He had to be both at all times.
I couldn't tell you why this was, part of it might be in the idea that Jesus's death was seen by many early Christians as being a type of Temple sacrifice. So he had to actually fully die, for the sacrifice to work. So he couldn't be God, because God can't die.
But also it was asserted heavily that Jesus always had the power of God in full, and wasn't just a miracle worker and traveling prophet. That is what made him distinct from a lot of other preachers in the area at the time. He was more than just a prophet. But he also talks about the Father as sending him. So he clearly couldn't be all of God at once.
So combining that, you got Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. Which means that he couldn't be the same as God himself, because God isn't human. But Jesus had the power of God in fact and it was inherent to him, but also he was sent by God to Israel.
So these two figures had to exist alongside one another, in a binary system at the least. Jesus as being an aspect of God, and God the Father being another aspect. And at some point the Holy Spirit got folded in.

Some of this probably is derived from Middle Platonism, where they had a trinitarian view of cosmology between the One, The Mind, and the Craftsman.
Given the influence of Greek philosophy on early Christianity (Aristotelianism colonized Christianity heavily) that model was probably impressed onto Christianity.

>>516120236
leave this thread immediately and go make one about the kind of weird ducks that you like you weird retard

>>516120342
Isaiah 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Ezekiel 34:11-12
11 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jeremiah 49:19
19 And who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?

>>516109604 (OP)
The trinity isn't even a trinity.
It's a duality.
2 + 1 = 3
The PIE concept is very simple.
The thing.
It's opposite.
The guiding divine spirit / awen / consciousness.
The father, heaven
The son, earth
The holy spirit guiding between heavenly and earthly concerns.
The same pattern is seen in Vedic Hindu gods; the Trimurty.
It is seen in Norse pagan gods (Odin).
Catholicism lifted it wholesale from paganism.
Catholics are not really Christians, they are pagans. Very little of their religion is related to the teachings of Christ.

>>516113614
/endthread

(((OP))) BTFO

>>516120433
No I dont think I will you fake Christian. Islam sounds like more your thing seeing as you have such a backwards dogmatic attitude.

https://youtu.be/lsrtUi6c99w?si=Xy9Dxid5qhMr92iy

>>516109604 (OP)
This is less important than the fact that "Yahweh" is literally Satan pretending to be The Father and the entirety of the Old Testament is just Satanic lies to glorify Satan and bring him worship under his worship-name which is "Yahweh"

>>516109604 (OP)
The struggle for a truly monotheistic faith
Early Christianity was born from the Jewish tradition, which fiercely rejected any hint of polytheism. The earliest Christians were all Jewish and identified as a sect of Judaism. They accepted the divinity of Jesus based on their reading of Old Testament prophecy and their experience of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection.
The challenge was to reconcile how they could worship Jesus as divine while maintaining their core monotheistic belief. This led to internal debates, not an easy acceptance of a pagan-like trinity.
Early Christian divisions over the nature of God
Rather than a smooth transition from polytheism, early Christianity was rife with bitter and sometimes violent disputes over the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Ebionites: Believed Jesus was the Messiah but rejected his divinity, insisting he was a human prophet. This preserved a strict monotheism.
Adoptionists: Argued that Jesus was not born divine but was "adopted" by God at his baptism. This was an attempt to keep Jesus separate from the one God.
Arians: Taught that Jesus was the most exalted of God's creations but not co-eternal with the Father. Arianism was a major theological crisis in the 4th century, demonstrating how fiercely Christians protected monotheism from what they viewed as a challenge. The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) condemned Arianism and affirmed the eternal divinity of Jesus.
Modalists (Sabellianism): Proposed that God is a single person who appears in three different "modes" (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) at different times. This was also rejected by the early church because it denied that the three "persons" are eternally distinct.

>>516116195
Most likely. They don't get the trinity since their book says the trinity is allah isa and mirim.

>>516119408
I'm not afraid of death at all though. The temporary discomfort of aging and dying maybe, but I'm not experiencing those in the present, am I? Why cash in on that suffering early? This world is no more real than a dream. Monsters inside a dream are nothing to be afraid of. Waking up from a dream is nothing to be afraid of. Life is a dream. There is no death, there is only life. You do not fear death either, you fear jewish fairy tales of a jewish fantasy called called hell, and your belief in this jewish fairy tale controls your behavior, making you a slave of jews.

>>516119256
It would appear that this post >>516119144 is arguing against such a thing.

I will address your contention about the divinity of Christ first before addressing the former. Now do you not concede that the Word himself is not Jesus Christ? Because the answer you are looking for is followed up later in John 1:14

>The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

As you can see, the Word became flesh. Now Jesus himself has two natures, that of being fully human and fully divine. His divine essence being a part of the holy and eternal triune God. His fully human nature was created within the womb of Mary, and that is not up for contention; however, his Divine essence was still eternal, existing from the beginning. God was not created within Mary, only Jesus' human nature. Now if you have a problem with Jesus’ divine essence being eternal, please make an argument as to how he is a creature when it is plainly stated otherwise within the writings of John.

To address the second objection brought forward, regarding the matter of the personhood of the Holy Spirit, there are many attributes that can be ascribed to him that would qualify him as a person. For example, the Holy Spirit has a will, independent of that of the other two persons of the Trinity. This is seen clearly within Corinthians 12:8-11.

>To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

>>516120598
>>516116195
Isaiah makes no reference to Jesus.
Pulling that line out of context makes no sense, because the monologue is set in the present tense about the Jews reclaiming their kingdom immediately with the power of God after the fall of Babylon to Cyrus. It isn't prophetic, it is describing something that is happening as the book was being written.
To connect that to a distant prophecy of Jesus requires you to ignore the literal context of the text. That it was God himself talking about Israel and how he gave both them and his earthly agent Cyrus the power to do what they did. And in particular for the Jews to reclaim their homeland.

What reasoning do you have to ignore that the entire passage was about a specific topic and specific people (Cyrus and the Jews) and act like it was about something else entirely?

>>516109604 (OP)
The bible is a byproduct of jews and has no basis in White civilization.

>>516120224
I have been on the fence about Christianity for many years but in the end I can't ignore the implications of "you will know them by their fruits". It's ironic, but it's specifically the words of Christ himself that make me reject "Christianity" as it exists in the minds and hearts of people today. I think roughly 99% of Christians cannot wrap their heads around the red text and literally all of it goes right over their heads. Christ constantly called out exactly the type of thinking that virtually all Christians are guilty of today, he described their corrupt legalistic obsession with vain dogma to the T and they still don't get it.
>>516120185
It is though when you make the (totally not) jewish influences your foundation. Christ's sacrifice for our sins? Only relevant for jews who believe that we are inherently born so guilty we deserve to burn in hell for eternity for the sin of being created against our will. Christ being of the bloodline of Abraham? I do not fucking care because I don't care about some psychopath who hears voices, mutilated his dick, and nearly murdered his own son. As long as Christians stubbornly insist that Yahweh = Good = God = Heavenly Father, then they are deluding themselves and worshiping the Jewish god Satan, not God. You choose to distort your own religion into judaism. Christianity isn't supposed to be jewish, but you all made it jewish anyway because you love jews more than God. I'm tired of sugar coating it and trying to be gentle with people who worship jews while pretending it's what Christ taught.

>>516109604 (OP)
Rare to see someone making a correct statement about the "trinity". When I saw your post my mind was like "here we go again, someone doen't understand God is one person, yet again.."

Yes, there is no three "persons" in the Bible. God is one person, the LORD (JHVH) Jesus (Son) Christ (Holy Spirit). His "sonship" is being a born man, born of a woman, born under the law. A son of Adam (man), that's His "sonship". There is no "Son" in "heaven" and a father speaking to his son something like "my son, go down there an incarnate...", that's not what this is. God Himself became a born man, he became our brother, to fulfill and redeem us. He is still God, but he became one of us.

1. the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary
The Holy Spirit of God. His breath (ruach).
2. Jesus and the Father are one (1), not two.
3. Jesus tells his disciples that he that sees Him has seen the Father (John 14:6-9)
4. Jesus breathed on His disciples and said "receive the Holy Spirit"

These "three" are three revelations of God, not three separate "persons". It is all Him. The Father is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Son is the Lord Jesus Christ.

>>516119144
each person of God has their own personality. you can tell them apart, yet all three are God.

>>516123126
several instances of the Lord referring to him in the third person in the OT.

>>516109604 (OP)
Cool, nobody cares.

>>516109604 (OP)
It's a mathematical formula about higher dimensions, which hides a deep truth about the nature of our world. "God" and such are monikers for higher aspects of our reality.
For example (this is most certainly not it, but just to explain what I mean)
>Deus = the wave function of the universe
>Pater = the wave nature of light and matter
>Filius = the particle nature of light and matter
>Spiritus Sanctus = the Born rule, aka. the quantum nature of consciousness

The trinity is one of the few good things about the bible doe

>>516109604 (OP)
>1 post by this ID
OP knows xhe's lying.

>>516123999
checked

OP is a lying tranny

can't argue with digits

>>516109604 (OP)
Passages link the three persons in theological concepts. For example, Paul writes that believers have access to the Father through the Spirit (Ephesians 2), and that the Holy Spirit is given as a pledge of inheritance, sealing believers in Christ (Ephesians 1).
The Holy Spirit is also described as the Spirit of truth, sent by the Father and speaking on behalf of the Son (John 14–17, 15).
In Hebrews, Christ is said to have offered himself to God through the eternal Spirit, highlighting the role of the Holy Spirit in Christ’s sacrificial death.

>>516116998

Were there any prophets who had things to say about signs of Horus' coming and of his life?

>>516109604 (OP)
Wrong.
It has been the Eastern Orthodox teaching for 2000 years.

>>516123808
matter as in particles doesnt exist.
atoms are electromagnetic in nature.

>>516111774
Yea a singular name...

Acts 2:38-39 NKJV] 38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.;
[Act 4:10, 12 KJV] 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,... 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[Acts 8:12, 16 NKJV] 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. ... 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.;
[Acts 19:4-6 NKJV] 4 Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.