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Anonymous (ID: MFuefzbI) United States No.516116155 >>516116814 >>516116913 >>516117016 >>516117108 >>516117360 >>516117629 >>516119879 >>516119886 >>516119990 >>516120051 >>516120397 >>516121073 >>516121517 >>516121660 >>516121825 >>516122088 >>516122178 >>516122483 >>516128190 >>516129544
Socialist American party
Can a new party fix this country?
Anonymous (ID: K4NZCIVf) United States No.516116280 >>516116416 >>516117629 >>516124218
Why would we need more welfare and spending?
Anonymous (ID: gBKyiqwm) Germany No.516116416 >>516116530 >>516116557 >>516116864 >>516121376
>>516116280
there is already welfare for israel, retard
Anonymous (ID: K4NZCIVf) United States No.516116530 >>516116709 >>516116883
>>516116416
okay why do we need more
Anonymous (ID: umtS1qzI) United States No.516116557 >>516116883
>>516116416
Ok? What we give Israel is nothing compared to what is spent on entitlements. The only thing you are entitled to is to die in the street like a dog
Anonymous (ID: 96C6xVby) United Kingdom No.516116709
>>516116530
What do you mean you could just not? You have to bankroll somebody because you just do, chud
Anonymous (ID: ZyCikNhV) United States No.516116814
>>516116155 (OP)
Are they nationalist ?
Anonymous (ID: iBFTS5BU) United States No.516116864 >>516116949
>>516116416
We spend $1 trillion on welfare in America annually
Anonymous (ID: gBKyiqwm) Germany No.516116883 >>516116988 >>516118054
>>516116557
>>516116530
shalom
Anonymous (ID: ZLl1pW4j) Estonia No.516116913 >>516117477
>>516116155 (OP)
That's even more jewish than jewish oligarchy you currently have lol
Anonymous (ID: gBKyiqwm) Germany No.516116949 >>516117070 >>516117093 >>516117450
>>516116864
most of that on white trash trailer park dwellers
Anonymous (ID: K4NZCIVf) United States No.516116988
>>516116883
All socialism means in a multi ethnic country is more welfare for shitskins
Anonymous (ID: OxWoK5fi) France No.516117016
>>516116155 (OP)
Do they plan to have a political police to purge the population of the wrongthinkers?
And if no, then how is this socialist?
Anonymous (ID: iBFTS5BU) United States No.516117070
>>516116949
Mostly on nons and the elderly. My country is only 30% White at most.
Anonymous (ID: OxWoK5fi) France No.516117093
>>516116949
Anonymous (ID: smMc0SMy) United States No.516117108 >>516119554
>>516116155 (OP)
ONLY if they fix all other socialist countries first.
sage (ID: Up8Ffimg) India No.516117360
>>516116155 (OP)
Communist != Socialist
Anonymous (ID: smMc0SMy) United States No.516117450
>>516116949
You actually thought of that, wrote it down, looked at it, clicked the Post button, read it again, and said to yourself "Yup, that looks good." KYS
Of course all the illegal doctors, engineers, section 8 recipient, inner city residents and welfare recipients, etc... are all about that socialist life. GTFO here, and all the way back to plebbit with you.
Anonymous (ID: ygwZ8v8v) United States No.516117477 >>516117818 >>516117972
>>516116913
Im so scared that enough retards are going to buy into some form of socialism and install it in this country
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516117629 >>516117822
>>516116280
Socialism is worker ownership of production, not welfare.
>>516116155 (OP)
We already have 12 of those and they all suck because they split every time they disagree.
>communist party usa
>socialist party usa
>party for socialism and liberation
>freedom road socialist organization
>american party of labor
>progressive labor party
>workers' world party
>revolutionary communists of america
>revolutionary communist party
>american communist party
>peace and freedom party
>democratic socialists of america
Yes, let's create a 13th competing standard.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516117818
>>516117477
>retard is 'so scared' of owning his own labor value
lol, lmao even
Anonymous (ID: K4NZCIVf) United States No.516117822 >>516119700
>>516117629
That's not socialism, that's communism
Anonymous (ID: ZLl1pW4j) Estonia No.516117972
>>516117477
The new order is actually something else. Its still communism fundementally, but its disguised as technocracy. Keep your eyes on the technocommie transhumanists
Anonymous (ID: umtS1qzI) United States No.516118054
>>516116883
Yes I should have to give more of my check so you can import even more illegals. Fuck it, why even try to help the American worker
Anonymous (ID: MFuefzbI) United States No.516119554 >>516119744 >>516119786 >>516123716
>>516117108
Norway is a socialist country. And they have it a much better than USA desu.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516119700 >>516119904 >>516123073 >>516123204
>>516117822
No, communism is a stateless, classless society, based on communal ownership of property and production, that will form from a socialist foundation.
Socialism is worker ownership of production and the transitional decommodification of the economy.

Social ownership (worker cooperatives) is socialism. Communal ownership (communes) is communism.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516119744
>>516119554
No, Norway are social democrats. Social democracy is still capitalism, private ownership of production still exists.
Please read books before posting anything ever again.
Anonymous (ID: OxWoK5fi) France No.516119786 >>516119921 >>516123716
>>516119554
Can we have a socialism like that?
>No, it wouldn't be real socialims
Anonymous (ID: VJOTjG4u) United States No.516119879
>>516116155 (OP)
yes but not that one
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516119886
>>516116155 (OP)
There is absolutely no value whatsoever in any socialist policy ever enacted. San Marino voted the Communist Party in and voted to turn their country into a Neoliberal tax haven less than 20 years later. People actually tried those policies and concluded they suck.
Anonymous (ID: ZLl1pW4j) Estonia No.516119904 >>516120306
>>516119700
>Social ownership
Funny way to say you own nothing and be happy
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516119921 >>516120111
>>516119786
Because welfare and national industry isn't itself socialism. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. So, yes, copying Norway would certainly not be real socialism, that would just be social democracy.
Anonymous (ID: 5V/iKyWF) United States No.516119990
>>516116155 (OP)
Nope. There is only one solution to our problems, and its a final one.
Anonymous (ID: +rx6rfNY) United States No.516120051
>>516116155 (OP)
>Can a new party fix this country?
yeah this fucking flag you nigger
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516120111 >>516120306 >>516120628
>>516119921
What's the practical difference between owning the company and getting the government to extract like 90% of the surplus to feed your retarded brown ass?

Social democracy is turning my entire continent into an open air museum.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516120306 >>516120563
>>516119904
You own your personal property - personally; you own your productive property - socially.
That is socialism.
Your phone, your car, your house, is personal property; the business you work for is social property, owned democratically by those who work there.

What stops social ownership from being communal ownership is that social ownership is ownership by the workers of a business and only those people, whereas communal ownership would be ownership by the whole of society itself.

Communism emerges from socialism. Communal ownership of property emerges from social ownership of property. But communal ownership of property cannot emerge directly from privately owned property, ergo socialist transition is necessary

This is the summarized version Vladimir Lenin's two stage theory.

>>516120111
>What's the practical difference between owning the company
Having a democratic say in your workplace, and owning the full value of your labor.
>and getting the government to extract like 90% of the surplus to feed your retarded brown ass?
Because that's taxation and welfare. Socialists advocate for worker's owning their full productive value directly.
Anonymous (ID: 00jO59r9) Brazil No.516120397 >>516120491 >>516120614 >>516120727
>>516116155 (OP)
Socialism would only work in America if it were for whites only; all non-whites would be expelled (yellows, mestizos) or gassed (kikes, niggers). The exception would be Amerindians who would live in autonomous regions, but they would have to stop consuming alcohol.
Anonymous (ID: VJOTjG4u) United States No.516120491 >>516120614 >>516120683
>>516120397
maybe some sort of nationalism combined with socialism but only for the people the nation was founded for ...
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516120563 >>516120704
>>516120306
Yeah but what's the practical difference between having a say in how daily operations of a company are managed and not having a say when at the end of the day the government is taking 90% of that surplus to feed your retarded brown ass?
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516120614 >>516122392
>>516120397
This is national socialism. And it is the logical next step of any society.
Worker ownership of production, within a nation by and for the founding group of the nation.
>>516120491
Welcome to being a Nazi, enjoy your stay! We're actually on the right side of history.
Anonymous (ID: OxWoK5fi) France No.516120628 >>516120938
>>516120111
They only extract 90% of the benefit of the oil companies. And yes, the natural resources should belong to the state.
It's still capitalism. The best kind of capitalism, the low nigger capitalism.
Anonymous (ID: 00jO59r9) Brazil No.516120683
>>516120491
What is this, some kind of "National Socialism"?
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516120704 >>516120938
>>516120563
>Yeah but what's the practical difference between having a say in how daily operations of a company are managed and not having a say when at the end of the day the government is taking 90% of that surplus to feed your retarded brown ass?
SOCIALISM.
IS.
NOT.
WELFARE.

YOU CAN HAVE SOCIALISM WITHOUT A WELFARE STATE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I ADVOCATE FOR.

READ A FUCKIN' BOOK! PLEASE!
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516120727 >>516120847
>>516120397
Socialism failed in every White country it was ever tried in and in San Marino the people actually got to vote them out after voting them in.

Latin Americans have egregiously dysfunctional views on politics, Argentina should by all accounts be richer than Canada but it's poor as fuck. You all suck.
Anonymous (ID: OxWoK5fi) France No.516120847 >>516120947 >>516121105 >>516121327
>>516120727
It was tried in only one country and it was glorious.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516120938 >>516121110 >>516121451
>>516120628
The real effective marginal tax rate in your country is like 80%, shut the fuck up Pierre
>>516120704
So go build your own company. What you advocate for is expropriating millions of business owners, who will obviously resist, which means you'll have to kill them (again).
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516120947 >>516121356 >>516121451
>>516120847
>smashed jewish marxism
Marx hated Jews too, though.
Anonymous (ID: 6awD3MCH) United States No.516121073
>>516116155 (OP)
All socialist traitors will fucking hang.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516121105
>>516120847
Hitler crushed Strasserism (actual national socialism) and ran a country without a single coherent economic policy. Nazi Germany had no economic plans for the future except for a permanent war economy.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516121110 >>516121335
>>516120938
>So go build your own company.
With what capital?
>What you advocate for is expropriating millions of business owners, who will obviously resist, which means you'll have to kill them (again).
There have been many non-violent expropriations of productive means throughout history.
You ever hear of a union-backed strike, you retard?
You're confusing socialism itself for Lenin's notion of socialism, led by a violent vanguard that will take everything down in one fell swoop.
Anonymous (ID: qtWuVu+W) Poland No.516121119 >>516121289
For socialist programs to work people need to be treated equally from the start and that never was the case in the us. Also I hate this socialism=commies narration. Public roads, free education? Yup, communism straight from USSR.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516121289 >>516122110
>>516121119
People (even ones ITT) think that worker ownership of the means of production is communism and not socialism.
Socialism will never take America, the dialogue surrounding the topic is just too tainted.
Anonymous (ID: umtS1qzI) United States No.516121327
>>516120847
Add
>Killed more white people than any regime in human history to that list
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516121335 >>516121837
>>516121110
>With what capital?
If you have anything resembling a coherent business plan you can get seed capital for your business in America and many Western countries. I don't care if you're from a poor shithole, nothing will work in that case.
Anonymous (ID: NK3QD/JX) United States No.516121356
>>516120947
moron
Anonymous (ID: 1IHRqnEM) No.516121376
>>516116416
Yeah. But Israel got the Red Heifers and trumpets so it’s all good. So instead of exporting more freedom to Deutschland we will export communism - mutt communism over to you now. The real communism, not the bullshit Russky kind. You will own nothing and be happy and pay subscriptions to your local government run commissary for your EverythingApp privileges.
Anonymous (ID: OxWoK5fi) France No.516121451 >>516122024
>>516120947
Everybody who wasn't brainwashed by the kikes do.

>>516120938
I pay between 60 to 70% of my income in taxes. We have 5 ways to translate the word tax.
It goes without saying, all the time I need help, the state inform me that I have a job and therefore can't apply to anything.
Anonymous (ID: Co/wbDiq) United States No.516121517
>>516116155 (OP)
>socialist party
>new
uhhhh just vote democrat, bud.
Anonymous (ID: b/T3UpVU) Canada No.516121660
>>516116155 (OP)
The problem with communism is that I've never observed it function the way it's promoted.

OP is this a proletariat?

Communism is simply handing over a nation's resources to an Oligarchy of state officials and Corporate CEOs.
Anonymous (ID: E7agywIq) Portugal No.516121825
>>516116155 (OP)
If the Democratic party in your country ever manages to kick out the urban elite and their woke concerns while at the same time return to a proper left-wing pro-low/middle class economic agenda you might just see improvements. AOC/Bernie are too unreliable. It needs to come from Dems.
Just expect every single streamer e-faggot to oppose it (richfags hate it when you tax them more to benefit the middle class).
Anonymous (ID: qtWuVu+W) Poland No.516121836 >>516122812
Funny thing started to happen in 80s in the us when tax rates for people earning above $1m today went from 70% to just 28%. In 1960-1980 family where only man had a job could by a house with three year income.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516121837 >>516122250
>>516121335
>If you have anything resembling a coherent business plan you can get seed capital for your business in America and many Western countries.
Oh, you mean take out a loan from a kike that'll screw me on the interest rates?
Do you know the rate of failure for new small businesses in America? Nearly 75% - and 20% of that 75% fails within the first year of operation.

You want me to take a loan out to start a business that'll most likely fail because my market competition is the monopolistic corporations which have practically centralized the market? You are recommending I do this, knowing there's a nearly 3/4s chance that I'll land in crippling debt? And you're advocating for this instead of me seizing the means of production with my coworkers?

You're a kike. You're an actual kike.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516122024 >>516122205 >>516122491
>>516121451
This is why people (I use the world loosely) such as OP are dimwits.

What they actually want is Communism because they're envious rats who think the world owes them money just because their IQ is a standard deviation above average.

Well, Social Democracy is the most successful form of Communism ever devised. Everyone earns the same in Europe regardless of whether you're a native or some 80 IQ brown invader.

This continent is just circling down the drain.
Anonymous (ID: 9kJV75S1) United States No.516122088
>>516116155 (OP)
Yes a new party can fix it, but not in the way you're going to like.
Anonymous (ID: 1IHRqnEM) No.516122110 >>516122315
>>516121289
Socialism is for pinky wimps. The proletariat must accept their responsibility of creating dictatorship for themselves and the everlasting need for hyper-class warfare against the bourgeois dems and rhinos. MAGA will be accepted in with open arms as comrades of the struggle. We will replace all big name CEOs with qualified pajeet technocrats who can maintain order during the struggle sessions and reeducation periods. All troons will be accepted in the gulags for much needed reeducation and reorientation. All niggers will be given more free housing and a license to get reparations from the white Bourgeoises normiepilled class for five years. Then they must be put back to work in the field camps but treated equally.
Anonymous (ID: LMgltbc6) United States No.516122178
>>516116155 (OP)
You are the broken part of the country
You broke it in order to fix it in your own image.
America never needed you.
No one needs you now.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516122205
>>516122024
>they want communism because they think the world owes them money
Communism is about communal property.
btw marx literally said communism would be a moneyless society, lol, so I ask, what money do I want to steal? I don't believe money should exist to begin with.
You don't have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about and it shows.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516122250 >>516123415
>>516121837
There are forms of capital other than loans you disingenuous fag. You type like a pussy. You're such a fucking pathetic faggot. If you were less of one you'd just go and start your own business but you won't so fuck off. You're nothing.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516122315 >>516122736
>>516122110
>The proletariat must accept their responsibility of creating dictatorship for themselves and the everlasting need for hyper-class warfare against the bourgeois dems and rhinos.
This is achieved through socialism, you moron. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism cannot be built overnight, there needs to be a transitional period for society.

You're not some retarded anarkiddie, are you?
Anonymous (ID: VJOTjG4u) United States No.516122392
>>516120614
commies get the rope troon
Anonymous (ID: j74lonGj) United States No.516122483 >>516127609
>>516116155 (OP)
Bot thread

Sage
Anonymous (ID: 1IHRqnEM) No.516122491 >>516122698
>>516122024
All people must be made equal including IQ, you Fado loving class enemy you. Those above 110 must be made dummer. Those below 90 must be put to work in the mines. You don’t deserve nice things in life because you already have them. But after the revolution I will take those nice things because that is what a good communist does.
Anonymous (ID: b/T3UpVU) Canada No.516122698
>>516122491
bro, i can literally look up chinese billionaires, why do they exists?
Anonymous (ID: 1IHRqnEM) No.516122736 >>516123415 >>516123883
>>516122315
No we just need to go back to the year zero you revisionist shill.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516122812 >>516122976
>>516121836
Yeah it's called competition. America emerged from WW2 as the undisputed world hegemon but at some point you have to compete for talent (by lowering income tax) and capital (by lowering corporate tax).
Anonymous (ID: cI7EnWRf) Brazil No.516122848
Piggericans know nothing about their own country, kek.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516122976
>>516122812
Case in point: America brain drained the world's computer industry, the software industry, and they'll do it to the AI industry as well. If you paid 80% marginal income tax like in Europe nobody would go there.
Anonymous (ID: K4NZCIVf) United States No.516123073 >>516123415
>>516119700
Socialism existed before marx started crying about lathes
Anonymous (ID: b/T3UpVU) Canada No.516123204 >>516123883
>>516119700
working class (slave class), and ruling class. It's observable.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516123415 >>516123505 >>516123743 >>516123785
>>516122250
What, like venture capital? Your solution to the problem of capital inaccessibility is shareholder capitalism? So, your solution is now to allow a kike to own a private stake in the business and exhibit certain unilateral control over the processes, thus mitigating the business' socialism?

You are, most certainly, a kike.

Lest we forget that me solving my own personal problems, hypothetically, does nothing to solve the worker control issue at scale, which is my primary concern.

You are framing this individualistically, and that's your logical fault.

>>516123073
Before Marx, socialism referred to what Marxists call communism now, actually - a stateless, classless, democratic communal society.
If anything, the modern definition of socialism is further from its classical definition than communism's modern definition is.
>>516122736
Two stage theory is not revisionism, it is literally a core principle of Orthodox Leninism.

Please, read theory.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516123505 >>516123883
>>516123415
>wordswordswords
Faggot, rope all commies
Anonymous (ID: smMc0SMy) United States No.516123716
>>516119554
>>516119786
Just no. Also, wait a few years now that they're no longer homogenous. Killing communists is always a priority.
Anonymous (ID: 1IHRqnEM) No.516123743 >>516123883
>>516123415
Too long didn’t read it. Anyways nobody is allowed to read. Off to the killing fields you pseud.
Anonymous (ID: K4NZCIVf) United States No.516123785 >>516124348
>>516123415
Nah before marx socialism was just people getting pissed and suggesting retarded changes to society, didn't change that much after marx
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516123883 >>516124167
>>516123204
Indeed. A transitional period of social ownership, i.e. socialism, is necessary to navigate society toward classlessness. The proletariat and the bourgeoisie still exist under socialism, but the proletariat owns the bourgeoisie, as opposed to the other way around like in capitalism.
As we control the bourgeoisie, we slowly phase out their existence. This will give rise to communism, over time.

The two stage theory.

>>516122736
>>516123743
Which is not fucking revisionism, it's orthodox Marxism.
>off to the killing fields you pseud
You're definitely a larping redfasc, you're not a real Marxist-Leninist. An ML would know stage theory already.

>>516123505
>when you're both a kike AND illiterate
Anonymous (ID: b/T3UpVU) Canada No.516124167 >>516124489
>>516123883
If β€œthe proletariat owns the bourgeoisie,” then why did socialism in practice produce new bourgeois classes? Russia under the USSR eventually gave rise to oligarchs, and modern China has more billionaires than almost anywhere else. Centralizing ownership didn’t phase out class. It just created a new elite. A true path to classlessness has to disperse power, not replicate hierarchies under a different name.
Anonymous (ID: Qlm6TeVp) United States No.516124218
>>516116280
You're spending money either way retard. If you don't like what a government is doing, you just overthrow them. If you try to overthrow a corporation without overthrowing the government, the Westphalian system demands the government respond, so you end up in a fight with the government anyways. Cut out the fucking middleman.
Anonymous (ID: 7QZPF9Yz) Portugal No.516124348
>>516123785
99% of Marx's work is him seething at a problem that solved itself when Britain ran out of reserve rural labor supply to industrial urban areas and wages rose up.

Pretty ironic given 99% of the subhumans that make these threads want open borders with the third world. Marxists are just way dumber about basic facts than what their IQ would suggest. They have negative knowledge, you can read more about the concept in: https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/on-having-negative-knowledge
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516124489 >>516124985 >>516127284
>>516124167
The USSR was a state capitalist economy, they were not socialist. There was no worker ownership of the means of production, there was government ownership of the means of production and workers got no say - not to mention the continued existence of state-driven markets.
>china
China was socialist until Mao died, and the current Chinese free market is the result of Deng Xiaoping's free market reforms in the 80s where he both introduced private ownership of production again and actually sold off existing state industries to foreign capitalists.
Anonymous (ID: b/T3UpVU) Canada No.516124985 >>516125448
>>516124489
I prefer National Socialism though.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516125448
>>516124985
I, too, prefer national socialism. As long as the socialism part is actually socialism, as long as it is an actual nationalist country where workers own their production.
Anonymous (ID: b/T3UpVU) Canada No.516125454 >>516125630
Socialism is alright, but each race needs to have it's own needs culturally and spiritually met, National socialism provides this. Communism takes all this away and tell you that you're nothing more than a source of labor. That's how I feel based on observations.
Anonymous (ID: rGlb8oja) No.516125630 >>516128879
>>516125454
Communism is just the next evolution of socialism, man. It is the form of socialism that appears after the end of the bourgeoisie, a stateless, classless society.
Anonymous (ID: wiU+EBYi) United Kingdom No.516127284
>>516124489
over 65% of China's economy is still state or publically owned and many corporations, like Huawei, are co-operatives where the workers DO own the means of production.
Anonymous (ID: MFuefzbI) United States No.516127609
>>516122483
Just enjoy your money printer until it lasts. Tesla cuck.
Anonymous (ID: HIW2wKZf) United States No.516127795
I won't do shit if I'm getting free shit
Anonymous (ID: ov1shSJw) Germany No.516128190
>>516116155 (OP)
don't keep your hopes up for that, capital wants you strapped to the chair eyes taped open scrolling for you page, auto-playing gore videos, developing your racial animus, exploiting everything weak and sinful about you while it gloats and celebrates most downloaded app on the planet. Democracy, community, socialism and religion (real spirituality and not McChurches) are all obstacles to that
Anonymous (ID: CznirBym) Poland No.516128879
>>516125630
I don't think the material conditions for that will ever be possible and I'm telling you that as a socialist. As a species we will most likely be stuck in primary stage of socialism forever.
Anonymous (ID: uAh0Ja6E) No.516129544
>>516116155 (OP)
>party
You don't ask for power. You take it. With mass amounts of violence.