Thread 516123535

>>516123535 (OP)
They were centrists.

>>516123698
Moderates even.

>ve vere just pretendink to be sozialists haha
Shut the fuck up

>>516123535 (OP)
fascism/communism governance is orthogonal to left/liberal vs right/conservative political axis. you have the people on one hand, and the system on the other. somewhere in the middle of both axes is constitutional democratic free enterprise systems like the g20. anyway, you can have left fascism and you can have right fascism and you can have centrist fascisms too. just like communes.

>>516123535 (OP)
You guys fail to understand the true left right divide is between democracy and autocracy the idea of left v right was invented during the French Revolution and was dictated by where in the courthouse the assembly was sitting those for a more liberal and democratic society where on the left of the room. The Nazis were right wingers because they are very clearly authoritarians the party nominally nationalizing a few companies doesn’t change that

>>516123535 (OP)
I'm sorry.
It hurts too much for me to read these nigger slop sentences.
I just can't.
Surely, they make a very valid point.
I'm sorry.

Hitler was actually a communist. He hated the Soviet Union because it wasn't communist enough in his opinion.

>>516123535 (OP)
>MUH LEFT
>MUH RIGHT
Anyone who believes in this is homo

>>516123535 (OP)
National Socialism = Socialism = Communism = Leftism
Horseshoe theory is proven right, once again.

OP what the fuck do you think national(right)-socialism(left) was?
>>516123698
FPBP

>>516123535 (OP)
Fascism is a third position, it has elements of both left and right. Actually if you want to get pedantic, there are only leftist parties in the modern west, since none of them advocate anti-materialism, monarchy, or restoration of the fusion of church and state

>>516125124
The post is saying if a person says "yall" Republicans trust them. This is poor judgement because everybody who says "yall" isn't a good person.

>>516123535 (OP)
Yes, they were inherently leftwing.

They weren't conservative; a German nation never existed; they wanted to create one to unite the "race".
They were idealistic.
They were revolutionaries.
They rejected natural order, and instead opted for autocratic order.
Collectivists, instead of individualists
Of course they were left wing, by almost every parameter.

>>516125657
No, Newtons aren't cookies.

They had two separate sections: the soft cakey cover and the sweet fruit filling.
They are delicious.
They are revolutionary.
They reject decomposition, and they stay shelf stable for months
Optically perceived as healthier than cookies
Of course they were not cookies by any parameters

>tldr
Arguing about "wings" is low IQ as fuck

>>516125657
>natural order
I could argue with you about every other term but I feel like the term natural order is just a buzzword.

>>516125657
So they were leftists that hated leftists?
Makes sense

>>516123748
>nazi's were moderates, really
guaranteed to make people spaz out

>>516127244
Every form of leftist hates eachother. They're all fucking violent and evil. The national socialists hated the communist socialists. The anarcho communists hate the communist socialists. The intersectional feminists hate regular feminists who hate egalitarians. The trans exclusionary radical feminists hate the trans. The LGBTQ+ hate the LGB.

Then like, on the right, you don't see that - maybe a little, but it's not like a main feature.

>>516125657
Durrrrrrr ueghhgeghh what's authoritarianism?

>>516127851
>On pol
>Can't fathom politics having more than 2 dimensions

I thought Canada had decent public education

when i see people falling for literal nazi propaganda from the 1930s the only conclusion i can draw is that they WANT to fall for it. they are complicit in their own brainwashing because they like the lies.

i realised this some time ago. realising that the propagandist and the propagandised are actually on the same team, working together, killed something inside of me. i no longer feel sympathy for these "people". i am radicalised. i want them all to die.

>>516123535 (OP)
Nazism doesnt believe in materialism and class struggle. Therefore it cannot be left wing. It's spiritually right wing

>>516123698
Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same shekel, as they measure the health of a population on material wealth. National socialism measured the health of a population on values like the ability to have a home and a family, commit, national cohesion, access to healthy food and clean water, access to education, longevity and quality of life. You are comparing apples and niggers.

>people now believe that worshiping shitskins and hating white people are prerequisites to being a leftist
the future is bleak

>>516128398
*comminuty, not commit

>>516128464
They are. They were. It wasn't an intelligible principle when that fat kike wrote it down is all. Leftism is Judaism.

>>516128044
You're going to pretend this is inaccurate?

>>516128790
i simply don't care.

>>516128044
>Be me
>a Kike
>Wants to prove we are good and should destroy amalek
>Fuck, we are amalek
Yeah, bro, I really wanted to be duped.

>>516123535 (OP)
There's no such thing as "wings" in this context and people who talk like this are basically the linguistic version of cargo cultists. An army has wings. A football team has wings. Etc, etc. Thinking in terms of "wings" only makes sense of the two wings are serving the same goal. Leftists and non-leftists are not working together so why do people keep referring to them as "wings"? Wings of what?

The context where "left wing" and "right wing" actually makes sense in the modern world is when discussing Jewish power. The Jewish left wing is the NGOs and activists, while the Jewish right wing is the Zionist lobby. These are true wings since they are both on the same side, just fighting on different fronts. You can see this in how the Jewish left will instantly pivot and start backing the Jewish right when non-Jewish leftists start attacking the Jewish right. Think of how Jewish left wingers like Ethan Klein etc all started supporting the Jewish right wing once non-Jewish leftists like Hasan, Destiny etc started attacking Israel. Attacking the non-Jewish right (not actually a wing of anything) was fine, but attacking the Jewish right wing was off limits.

Neither. Both. Doesn't matter. The artificial left-right dichotonomy is a tight little cage for the goyim cattle to be bundled in.

>>516128885
You obviously do you fucking moron you came into the thread. National Socialism is the ONLY political system that assumes ownership of itself and its nation without tolerance for the corrupting alien influence of the jew and his lies.

>>516123535 (OP)
left = some form of economic socialism (not just Marxian socialism)
right = some form of economic capitalism (not just laissez-faire capitalism)
authoritarian = some form of centralisation of power (not just dictatorship)
libertarian = some form of decentralisation of power (not just anarchy)

the Nazis had a mixed-market economy—some aspects of socialism, and some aspects of capitalism, making them broadly economically centrist
this is not taking into account the wartime footing of their economy for much of its existence, but is based on their pre-war economy, and speculative post-war economy as informed by their ideology

the Volkisch framing of their economic centralisation—that the people and the state are fundamentally one and the same, and that the entire economy should function in service of the Volk, is not dissimilar in practice to the modern day 'Socialism with Chinese Characteristics'—in other words, a form of State Capitalism
not socialist in the Marxist sense, but socialism is a very broad church—remember the word predates Marx

this puts the Nazis slightly left-of-centre economically
however, they were very, very authoritarian (which should be self-evident)

hence, they were authoritarian centrists, or possibly centre-leftists

>>516123535 (OP)
Communism is left.
Socialism is left.
America was built on be RIGHT wing.
And a Christian civilization.
If you don't like it, move to where communism and islam is.

>>516125657
>Collectivists, instead of individualists
Individualism never existed historically either. It's even more of a modernism than the German nation. Individualism was a product of cold war era polarization. Also much of the modern left is hyper individualistic. For example gays/women/trannies/etc putting their own personal indulgences above the collective wellbeing of society is a form of extremist individualism.

>>516127244
>So they were leftists that hated leftists?
This was one of the main sources of their support. After the USSR revealed itself to just be the "corporate town" business model on a national scale, many leftists wanted to re-evaluate. Mainstream communist parties in Germany were all backed by the USSR and thus say this as treason, leading to fighting. Hitler was the only one willing and able to protect them from the communists and was also hostile to free market ideology so that's where a lot of anti-USSR leftists ended up.

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>>516123535 (OP)
They were always leftists.
Ussr vs. Germany was 2 brands of socialism fighting.

>>516123535 (OP)
should be easy to just quote the fucking page in Hitlers book where he says he is leading a "far right party" that wants to confuse people

>>516123535 (OP)
Fucking retards need to be gagged
The NSDAP used the colors of the German empire, it didnt have anything to do with the Reds to the East (whom they hated), or the Communists they routinely stabbed to death on the streets

>>516123535 (OP)
yes, the same way today's MAGA party is left wing too.
A true right winger is a rugged individualist who doesn't need a daddy gubment to rally around and worship. No one who believes in vooting or supporting a political party or figure is in any way right wing.

>>516123535 (OP)
he had great ideas for the people and was even glorified in Time magazine.

>>516130847
polarised thinking is a mental illness
there are degrees

>>516123535 (OP)
Yes.

>>516130496
Libertarianism is the delusional utopia of people who never had to grow up and live in a multicultural society. You can’t find a libertarian under the age of 40 and multiculturalism is the reason for that. You give me a homogenous society and then you can have your libertarianism. Until then, niggers, chinks, spics, jeets and especially kikes need to die.

>>516123535 (OP)
Oh god. History is so distorted the truth doesn’t even make sense for a contrarian

>>516125124
It's just more contortions whereby plebbitors try to convince people that socialism is right wing

>>516127244
>Leftists cant hate ultra psycho communist lefties

>>516130847
What if 10% of the population want to kill you, rape your daughter, emasculate your son and think it's funny?

>>516128398
National Socialism is a form of fascism that still adheres and upholds capitalism even specifically corporatism. It is contrary to Communism which believes in common ownership of the means of production doing away with capitalism so that the structures and hierarchies that the former clings onto fade away.

National Socialism is fascism pure and simple. It is a violent and reactionary ideology and completely opposed to Marxist Socialism.

>>516123535 (OP)

Uhh source for this alleged quote? I kind of doubt he wrote that in his book but it’s been years since I’ve read it. And he used red black and white because those were the colors of the pre-Weimar German Empire flag.

So much of what Hitler supposedly said or did is just made up shit that retards spread and repeat.

This entire debate is fucking retarded. The whole argument both these people are trying to make is “Hitler was opposite coded politically of whatever I am and he was the ultimate most evil person who ever lived. Therefore my political views are right and my opponent is literally Hitler.”

Both of these individuals need to be arrested and put in a concentration camp and routinely beaten until they understand that they are too retarded to be allowed have political views.

>>516131669
Socialism is right wing. Communism and capitalism are left wing. But since I don't like that stupid dichotonomy it'd be more accurate to say that communism and capitalism are both internationalist parasitism that seeks to destroy nations and cultures and replace them with vain materialism.

https://files.catbox.moe/yvol87.mp4

>>516132072
No one gives a fuck what you think, sukdeep dikshit.

>>516123535 (OP)
The nazis were racist collectivists in a similar vein to how North Korea commies think that the Korean race is the superior race and how the Swedish social democrats measured people's skulls, kept niggers out and locked up all the weird people in asylums. It's all considered right wing fascism if you ask a modern troon leftie today

The left-right concept is completely inadequate

>>516132125
>Le socialism isnt collectivist drivel
Ok faggot

>>516123535 (OP)

Hitler admired Stalin’s control of all industrial sectors and wanted to emulate and surpass even the USSR’s level of State ownership after the War was over. Before and during the War, Hitler had to play nice with the German industrialists in order to output weapons.

Hitler’s longtime buddy, who ran the SA, was a faggot hardline Communist that boasted too loudly of the coming communiziation of Nazi Germany. That scared the industrialists so he had to be eliminated via “Long Knife”.

Also, remember that Mussolini was an ardent Marxist. He was the editor of Italy’s leading socialist newspaper. He went to Communist meetings. He rebranded too.

This before or after the political switch to absolve democrats for being the party that started the KKK?

>>516132314
Collectivism is good. All the greatest empires and cultures in the world were built on collectivism. It is the individualist garbage that has allowed the decay and overall destruction of cultures and nations.

>>516125039
National socialism and fascism is real democracy in action, your burgeousie, aristocratic republic is a fake democracy, how you still cannot grasp this is beyond me

>>516132188
Oh sorry am I wrong? You don't know shit about philosophy

>>516123535 (OP)
hitler was anti-capitalist, but it still is far-ight

>>516132088
>So much of what Hitler supposedly said or did is just made up shit that retards spread and repeat.
awhhh does that mean the masturbation machines arent real? thats how i wanted to go out

>>516132352
This is absolute nonsense taken from plebbit or twitter I assume. Hitler despised the USSR and considered them extremely backwards and decadent and blamed them for the destruction of the Russian state in Mein Kampf. Rohm wasn't communist and there is no evidence he was gay outside of the SPD smear campaign against him, often cited by reddit monkeys with wikipedia knowledge of history such as yourself. He was taken out because the SA wanted to take control over the military.
>Also, remember that Mussolini was an ardent Marxist.
Mussolini wasn't marxist, he was a socialist.

>>516130370
We look at individualism from an ironic collectivist lens.
The type of individualism that has always existed, is one where there is a regard for a singular owner. Jesus owns the church, the king owns the land, the individual owns his labor, etc.

Historically monarchies were never like "We're all in this together". The aristocrats would shield themselves from the peasants.
They were only collectivist when it came to war, which is itself leftwing, because leftwingers are fucking violent.

>>516132072
Centralization of an economy isn't free market capitalism. Corporations aren't capitalist nor private property, because they rely on regulatory powers to protect the value of shares.
National socialism is far left.

>>516132782

This pretty much sums it up.

The only reason anybody cares is that they want to score a point by saying “Hitler was left/right wing, and you are right/left wing, therefore you are just like Hitler and Hitler was bad so you are bad.”

I remember years ago there would be similar debates about Hitler’s religion. Atheists would absolutely insist that Hitler was a Bible believing Southern Baptist while American Christians would insist he was a liberal atheist who believed in evolution. Neither side cared about the actual facts they just wanted to paint their opponent as literally Hitler.

>>516133421
>>516130370
Inidividualism was the product of the renaissance... it is nothing but a brain parasite feeeing on the soul of humanity and atomizing the spirit of the nation until you have no more nation and only a bunch of strangers sitting in the same geographic area. It is the opposite of nationalism because nationalisism produces a single spirit to unite the nation, individualists can only continue to exist by debilitating the spirit of the nation and this is the real conflict going on to this very day. The individuals have plaved themselves above the interests of the nation and therefore your country is literally and metaphorically dying.

>>516123698
this, nazis were moderates. Jew golems just have no clue how fucking far down the drain they are

>>516129894
>Communism is left.
>Socialism is left.
That's correct, whereas Nationalism is right.

>America was built on be RIGHT wing.
That's not correct, as many American countries are socialists - for example Cuba, Venezuela, Chile, Bolivia etc. etc.

>>516133421
>The type of individualism that has always existed, is one where there is a regard for a singular owner. Jesus owns the church, the king owns the land, the individual owns his labor, etc.
First off, that is not even remotely true and you're speaking of a specific system which is feudalism since the Roman Empire was very much structured in 'we're all in this together' so much so that wealthy men would sacrifice their lives as mere soldiers to defend their state. But even so far as feudalism goes it was always a united collective effort. The king is the leader, the one who directs his nation, but is beholden to his nobles and advisors who can unseat him at any point. The serfs were working on the field to provide food, merchants were selling wares to bring revenue to the state and they were all protected by the nobles who went to war and defended the state. Even the church was hugely instrumental in preserving knowledge and advancing le science. It was always an effort of everyone together working to achieve a common good. There was never anyone putting themselves above the other on the basis of his own needs. There was a rigid system of advancement but that is another matter entirely and not beholden to any single individual, even thek ing.
>Historically monarchies were never like "We're all in this together". The aristocrats would shield themselves from the peasants.
That's the stupidest thing you've said so far. The aristocrats shielded the peasants, you moron.
>>516133658
Free market capitalism is survival of the strong. Do you think that in unregulated society the Amazons, the Microsofts, the Apples, etc will play fair with their competition? They'll crush you ine very way they can. The problem is that there is no regulation in modern societies. Major companies can do as they please, they can move their businesses where they want, they can fuck over their workers, it doesn't matter. The free market is codeword for judaism.

>>516134421
A nation is a society
A society is a nation
All socialists are nationalists, the only thing that can vary is how they define that nation, for marxists it is the working class and therefore they call themselves internationalists, but as you have noticed, that means they are still nationalists, just of a different kind.
You are welcome

>>516123535 (OP)
Once again, a leftist posts a screenshot of another leftist claiming it's proof that what the leftist said is true.

That said, the left-right paradigm means different things in Europe compared to America because euros dont believe in individual liberty, only collective liberty.
National socialism is just as collectivist as any other flavor of socialism which makes it left wing by American standards.
However, in Europe nationalism is exclusively right wing which would make it a right wing party.

This debate is moot though, since it belies the fact that leftists only call nazis right wing to smear republicans by association.
The fact is that the modern democrat party holds more in common with the NSDAP than the modern republican party.

>>516123535 (OP)
everything you know about them is a lie. They were never racist or white supremacists.

>>516123535 (OP)
No but they had similar ideas its just happens so that communist went full in and the rest of the planet saw the shit show and reverted their plans of self destruction.

Fascism, National Socialism, Communism, Falangism, we could Say that they were all a bunch of idealist retards that failed hard on implementation, like any idealist ideology.

>>516123535 (OP)
None of you understand National Socialism, and I'm tired of even trying to explain it.
It's like those guys who have read an English translation of Nietzsche or Heidegger and say they understand it.
Retards

>>516135300
Not our fault your language is literal dogshit, go learn a real language and then get back to us

>>516125160
Yeah, something like this. He thought they were fake lying Jewish communists, and he wanted the real socialism for Germany, something like that China has now become, an all powerful state where every citizen has a job and is a patriot.

>>516133800
Hitler was christian but he really fucking hated the church because it held power over regular Germans.
It was those fucking traitor priests and bishops that put an end to based Aktion T4. Too bad Hitler didin't kill them all

>>516123535 (OP)
All the people who created and initially formed fascist and national socialist parties were once Marxist they are on the same family tree

>>516135998
There is no proof that Hitler was a marxist. Many members of the NSDAP also came from the Freikorps whi fought the communists. I don't know if Franco should be considered a fascist but he also wasn't a marxist. Hideki Tojo was also never a marxist.

>>516135570
Amidst the Geworfenheit of our age, I cradle a quiet Weltschmerz in my Dasein, yet—oh the Sorge!—I feel a flicker of Schadenfreude at the Gerede of the das Man, for they, lost in the Gestell, will never grasp the Unverborgenheit of the Ereignis that calls us to authentic In-der-Welt-sein.

kek

>>516123698
>>516123535 (OP)

>Having to fit everything within the left right spectrum because they can't think outside of it.

All of you retards are too stupid to talk about politics, but you're going to continue to until smart people make you stop.

Yes they were obviously socialist by any reasonable definition. All of these terms have been bastardized to meaningless in recent times.

>>516132072
>It is a violent and reactionary ideology and completely opposed to Marxist Socialism.
Which other qualities does it have?

>>516133800
The fact that both sides wish to do this demonstrates they're both equally anti-white and ignorant. Literally every study on IQ between the left and the right has shown they're nearly identical, with one side being merely three to five points different, but in the same average (incompetent) IQ range.

>>516137015
> I am smart, I have learned that there is more than just black and white
Why would a smart person try to stop that?

>>516137613
Because they are destructive little fuckers when advanced to higher positions that wouldn't exist if it were up to their intelligence level and need to be put in their places/reduced in numbers for the good of the future?

>>516137551
>Literally every study on IQ between the left and the right has shown they're nearly identical
That's because the majority of people are dubm as fuck. Only a select few have the power to rise above the sea of mediocrity.

>>516123535 (OP)
Not sure why it matters.
Instead maybe people who are being called fascist should seek legal avenues to get those slanderous and now threatening labels to stop being misused. Would love to see it argued in a court of law how a man who took the very liberal approach of public democratic debate was a fascist.

>>516123535 (OP)
yeah very much. In those days the right was monarchist and religious and the nazis were none of that

>>516123535 (OP)
Right wing are cancer too just like liberal leftist faggots.

Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form

>>516137800
As a child, I also raged against the universe because of my mortality, but at some point you just have to be able to accept things. It's better for your blood pressure.

>>516127859
A core leftist principle?

>>516123698
Third Positionists

>>516128464
You can have rightist or even openly capitalist economics and be a leftist. You cannot be against trannies, niggers, and faggots and be a leftist. Ergo, that is what leftism is.

>>516123535 (OP)
they would have been considered liberals 30 years ago

National socialism is a form of socialism, Hitler was "reclaiming" the socialism from the "international jewry". And precisely because it was socialism, it could not work, even if it was packaged with a nationalist ideology.

>>516123535 (OP)
national socialists are the most oppressed group in the world. everyone uses them as a rhetorical cudgel against ideological opponents. the new standin for bad/evil

>>516139280
No, Jürgen. You don't get it either.

>>516123535 (OP)
Nazis hate Jews which is apparently a left wing thing nowadays, only TRVE right wingers proudly wear the title of shabbos goy

>>516125602
This. It’s difficult to accurately grotto past countries into modern political classifications without mountains of caveats.

>>516125602
Third position is just syndicalist socialism with extra steps

>>516139847
Lets be honest, national socialism is just the latest shitpost made by a people so fucking stupid they were still building mudhuts while Rome was a city made of Marble, literally not even your own countrymen can comprehend your shit language and schizophrenic chimpanzee rantings

>>516127450
facts always do

>>516139280
Very accurate.
Hitler was bad but not for the reasons normies think

Would it be more helpful look at this in terms of the core takeaways of the French revolution, i.e. liberty, fraternity, and equality rather than a simple right vs left dichotomy?
Communism, fascism and liberalism are all based on those three ideas, just with different emphasis on each.

>>516140991
The only thing that matters
is Empiricism vs idealism this the derives into
Individualim(liberalism) vs nationalism (socialism, nationalism)

>>516139050
Up or down leftism dipshit?

They werent left or right.
They were based.
Simple as.

>>516134630
>All socialists are nationalists
Your public claim is false - our socialists have always been the Muslims' anti-White and anti-Nationalist lemmings and committed Islamic terror for and with them.

>>516123698
FPBP
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