Thread 516557611

If somebody produces more than they cost to hire, they are productive.

There are two ways to increase net productivity, you either produce more on a gross scale, or you lower your cost (wage).

If a Mexican comes in and is willing to produce $10/hr worth of food but he only costs $5/hr, that Mexican is more productive than a white man who can produce $30/hr of food but demands $25/hr. On one hand, for every dollar you throw at them you get $2/back, whereas with the whiteman you only get $1.2 for every $1 you chuck at them.

Cheap labor is what yields productivity. Automation is useful when and only when it becomes more productive than labor, which is when the cost of labor becomes too expense to justify choosing it over automation, or when automations's gross productivity rises so much that its output/input ratio exceeds that of labor.

>>516557611 (OP)
SILENCE, JEW

>>516557611 (OP)
The numbers are long known, yet it continues.

>>516557611 (OP)
>we need slave labor
Why has the left always been like this?

>>516557611 (OP)
I don't care. Keep them out

The reasons why a citizen might cost more than a non citizen might be in play.
For example there's no convenient legal way to avoid paying a citizen less than minimum wage

>>516557611 (OP)
Fuck the American working class. If they weren't terrible people, they wouldn't be working class.

die kike

>>516557611 (OP)
Mr peculiar name social media bot in OP is parroting what his master said last year.

>>516557906
>For example there's no convenient legal way to avoid paying a citizen less than minimum wage

Isn't it called tipping in Murrica?

>"immigration leads to prosperity"
>so why are we prospering less today?
>"ummm... that's your own fault, goy"

>>516557981
Not if tipping isn't common and/or is enough to make up for a difference in salary in your profession

Starmer - Affluent leftie from a legal background, admitted a few weeks ago that the immigration economy theory is a myth and the leftie experiment is over.

Pity he didnt follow that up with action, it was just hot air

>>516557611 (OP)
Retard. He's literally, and correctly, arguing that mass immigration stifles innovation and suppresses productivity

>>516557611 (OP)
If it comes from a first world country it is. Not if you import illiterate third worlders.

>>516557611 (OP)
Sure, when you look at the small tard brain size micro effects. When you scale it up to the macro and you factor in the literally thousands of other system factors that macroeconomists are too fucking stupid to understand or model, the shit falls apart. We're talking cultural collapse, trust collapse, displacement, etc., all factors that form the bedrock of a country. Now you've basically traded the future of the country for short-term profit increases, which is precisely what one would expect of short sighted retards.

>>516557611 (OP)
>import an underclass of low intelligence foreigners with a tendency to be hyper conscious of their ethnicity

Retards

>>516557611 (OP)
If somebody produces more than they cost to hire, they are being robbed by their boss
workers need to organize and fix that situation so we can get the full product of our labor
Also, cheap labor retards technological progress, as OP outlined in his last paragraph.

>>516557611 (OP)
I would agree if we didn't have government welfare programs and state funded schools.
Illegal immigrants have a host of hidden costs.

>>516557886
>We need a new elite class, farm workers! We will pay them more than Bezos even though we pretend to hate elites!

Why are right-wingers like this?

>>516557906
Exactly, so if you hate minimum wage laws, support illegal migration.

>>516557611 (OP)
my taxes support that "cheap" labor. it's a subsidy for capitalist owners to hire people at slave wages who then go on public assistance and overwhelm all public services. It does all this while also driving down my wages.

>>516558028
Maybe if we had immigration policy we wouldn't have stagnated as an economy.

>>516558112
He's literally arguing the opposite. It stop automation which stifles productivity and capital accumulation.

You're stupid as fuck.

>>516557611 (OP)
damn, we went from "they just want a better life!"
to "slave labor benefits us guys!"

>>516558542
No it's the opposite
If you hate illegal migration decry minimum wage laws

>>516558295
You're incredibly dumb and stupid. Any sociology would disprove you but you're uneducated.

>>516558325
Uneducated hick

>>516558495
Workers are the ones robbing their boss by continiously asking for wages

>Also, cheap labor retards technological progress, as OP outlined in his last paragraph.

Yeah that's the point, if you want to slow it down, support immigration.

>>516557611 (OP)
>Immigration is Objectively Good for the Economy
wrong and jewish.
destroy the jew
put all the animals, shitskins, subhumans, sand niggers back in their ancestral lands or destroy them.

>>516558518
Governments like migrants because they come as fully fledged workers who they don't need to pay to educate (and typically don't have kids they need to educate either, a lot of the time it's "work here a few years to save up money so you can go home and get married)
they don't let you in if they don't think they'll make money off you, that's half of what "illegal immigration" is about and the other half is about keeping workers in a position where they can be deported for complaining

>>516558548
Why should we pay farm laborors more than Bezos and Buffett???

I thought you were against elites, now you want farm workers to be paid more then banker elites.

>>516558647
I love how repubicans pretend to be anti-eltie but now they say they want farm workers to become the new banker elites.

>>516558676
I am for migration and anti-minimum wage.

>>516557611 (OP)
>guys it's ok instead of getting replaced by a machine you'll get replaced by a foreigner so we can reduce the rest of your wages infinitely to the 3rd world level the foreigner came from

I'll take the machines, they replace leftists typing stupid shit the fastest, thanks.

>>516558685
So your counter argument is an logical fallacy of appealing to "sociology"? Yea so you've got nothing.

>>516558886
is a*

>>516558685
Tell us about your education.

>>516558685
why would we want to slow down automation? Making life easier is the whole point of technology, we just need to make it so we share the benefits instead of them all flowing to a few rich CEOs with patents on the machines

>>516557611 (OP)
They are only a net contributor if you ignore the costs, that is the entire problem; retardedly shortsighted evaluation of their value.
The reason this shit keeps getting worse because they do not net contribute, yet you keep adding more of such leeches because it will totally work this time.

>>516557611 (OP)
What if we just have a debt reset instead?

>>516558886
You had literally zero argument to respond to. You have nothing.

>>516559053
Because automation is a costly alternative to cheap labor.

>t need to make it so we share the benefits instead of them all flowing to a few rich CEOs with patents on the machines

Rich Jew CEOs are the only ones getting fucked right now.

>>516557611 (OP)
> Externalities

>>516559097
>immigration will faill this time trust me!!!

>>516557611 (OP)
is it?

>>516559195
>automation is a costly...
That's jeet logic right there.
Are you referring to legal immigration?

>>516557611 (OP)
>Cheap labour is the foundation of economic growth.
Yeah thats the entire problem tho isnt it?
Basically saying
>Economic growth is when GDP goes up and GDP per Capita goes down
>Economic growth is when you or the person I replace you with does cheaper labour so I get more money and you get less
Or in other words
>its objectively good that we made you poorer and your quality of life plummeted because im richer now.

What a dirty jewish cunt.

>>516559164
All currency is debt in a fiat system, and debt always exceeds the amount of currency in the system resulting in the need for inflation that the fed tries to keep constant. You do a debt reset and the entire system collapses instantly. It'll collapse anyway though.

>>516559296
>Immigration didn't fail, please ignore Trump and the entire surging modern right
Seriously nigger?

>>516557611 (OP)
>economics
Not real
/thread

>>516559371
>collapse
it happens now every other year or so, but they change the rules enough to keep it from cascading.
its in a state of collapse, but the jews running it keep moving piles of money to staunch the bleeding, but the piles of money dont actually exist.
if every jew was destroyed, the world could heal.

>>516558708
>post political opinion under the flag of a failed oppressive state
>expect to be taken seriously
lol
lmao

>>516557611 (OP)
The problem I don't see the effects on me when the "economy doing good" only when it's doing "bad" corpos never decrease their prices because they afraid from denying stockholder nigger's extra profit. Why the fuck should we give a shit about 0.1% being able to buy their 80th jacht when we get to live like shit anyway?

>>516559505
Soon fren. We're on the verge of either nuclear war or full on collapse. There is no scenario in which the world improves at this point or anything gets fixed.

The green arrow is for the stockholders red arrow is rated E for everyone because the nueu nobility like the old one just beat their loss down on us.

We never escape feudalism but believe in a different lie.

>>516559432
>Electing the greatest President of all time means it failed

LOL

>>516559097
This

>>516559651
>g stockholder nigger's extra profit. Why the fuck should we give a shit about 0.1% being able to buy their 80th jacht when we get to live like shit anyway?

If you had an immigration based democracy that wouldn't be the case.

>>516559568
No state ever used the memeflag I did, the USSR hammer and sickle is in the corner
also, you live in a failed oppressive state, and your state oppresses proles not the rich

>>516559887
>immigration based democracy
Yea that's a jew posting from Israel. Tell you what, Israel can lead by example and we'll change in like 50 years after you jews have proven it works.

Imagine going back and telling your union democrat grandpa that someday his party would advocate for scab labor and call anyone against it racist.

>>516559887
Yeah because fucking niggers would bomb your faggot ass for not giving gibbs after when they killed everyone else you blame their shit dweller status on then we get back to barter and pillage economy true stuff nigger.

>>516557611 (OP)
The problem with your whole premise is over a long enough timeline it becomes a race to the bottom where in the end all that's happened is quality of life has gone down for everyone but those able to make the capital investments in the first place. Your quality of product also goes down to nothing as each company finds a way to undercut the other until the end result is worthless from both.

In the end you're left with slaveowners and slaves. With (((our))) current system of infinite money for those in power, that means they essentially pick who runs the world as they can generate unlimited amounts of money and pass that power down from generation to generation.

>>516558810
For Buffet the stock market is a form of usury and not an honourable way of making money. Should have never gotten a penny imo.

Bezos actually built a useful service, even if I dont like him and would never be willing to work in amazons shitty working conditions and low pay, Id say Bezos did actually earn some of his money.
Anything earned off the stock market however is usury

Usury aka jewish economics should be banned in all forms, incuding the stock market

This retarded like, again.

The economy, especially when made of fake money, useless daycare "jobs" leeching actual value, is the problem.

What matters is our people, our race, our culture, our civilisation, and that we can live honestly and decently.
Immigration is the greatest weapon against our well-being and future.

Now fuck off, kike.

>slave labor is good
>yaron brooke Israeli-American(tf is that?)
>jew memeflag
Huh

>>516557611 (OP)
>cheap labor from violent shitholes is cheap!
>im a dipshit libertarian!
>im going to ignore increased costs in law enforcement, educational staffing, infrastructure, political and social strife, real estate, degenerative farming, and every other shitty thing that comes with introducing garbage labor into a homogenous society.
>I only care about money!

Kill yourself, in real life, you stupid jew.

>>516559979
lmao its a sex tourist

My favourite lie is when you look at it every 20 century ideology's end goal is communism in technicality but every single one of them swears it's not it. True fucking meaning of being played since of the start.

>>516559979
>the US state oppresses workers
>millions of illegal workers cross deserts and oceans every year trying to get in
You forgot your flag nigger. Remember when the USSR, E. Germany, Cuba, Poland, Hungary, and the rest of the Soviet blok had to put up walls to keep their people from fleeing to the West?Peperidge Farms remembers.

>>516560406
>I hate elites but i want farm laborors to become the new oligarch elites.

>>516559997
(you)

>>516557611 (OP)
>brownoid posts his jewish master’s opinion
Get the fuck away from me, you’re ugly, you smell and I don’t like you

>>516557611 (OP)
>If you don't like being replaced by robots, just be replaced by brown people instead
What??

>>516560518
Communism is a meme. It would be more accurate to call them revolutionaries or political arsonists. "Communism" inevitably devolves into a totalitarian police state; the true goal is not the redistribution of wealth or "equality", but to topple the old regime and supplant themselves in its place. But in order to do that they need a power vacuum, which is why they always focus on burning down the old social order, the family unit, the institutions. The justification for that has usually been class-based, but they've had to get more creative in the US, hence the clown-world stuff we're seeing now.

>>516557611 (OP)
People are not widgets. You can't use econ 101 theory as the basis of immigration policy, unless you want to destroy the society.

>>516557611 (OP)
That's fucking retarded, even in your example the white man is 3 times the production. The purpose of work is to benefit the worker, not the middle man sitting on a beach somewhere.
Just imagine it is 30000 years ago telling the other hunters that your job was just to divide up the meat or that you didn't have to help because your grandfather killed 3 mammoths solo.

In order to understand why lefties don’t think this is a retarded take you have to understand that they accept a priori Marx’s declaration that all circumstances, choices, and morals are merely the result of economic arrangements. We don’t choose to turn away from technology out of moral goodness in their mind. We choose to do it only because economic conditions make it so in their mind.

>>516558548
And increasing the cost of goods you buy. Especially housing.

>>516559361
Didn't the plague cause the growth of the working class and ended the peasant class and see a surge of innovation...

Cheap labor doesn't create economic growth it just pushes development out of growing economies until stagnation occurs.

heck yeah the economy!!!

I am willing to do the CEOs job for a quarter of the pay.
Ergo I should be hired to do his job.

Robot slaves BAD
Indian slaves GOOD

>>516557886
Marx predicted exactly what OP is shilling, Kek. The more intelligent communists started larping as capitalists at some point, and the right wing opposition doesn’t even see it, or at least they pretend not to.

>>516558602
Shut the fuck up you illiterate shitskin ESL gtfo my board

i am also going to add that labour cost does not significantly affect what you pay for goods. this is not the 18th century.
when you eat at a restaurant you are paying for the restaurant's energy bill, rent, taxes, the raw ingredients and maybe 1% wages for the staff. the same calculation is true for everything else. a robot restaurant won't be cheaper because they still need to pay the energy bill for the fridges and pay their rent which is where the actual costs are.

>>516557611 (OP)
Your stupid example doesn’t include the value provided by the Mexican who has access to white people. That’s worth the difference and then some. Innumerate fuck.

>>516557611 (OP)
>You must let in ALL of the orcs and goblin hordes goy, so that big line goes up!
Boomers will ACTUALLY believe this.

>>516557611 (OP)
Does automation not also make labour cheaper? What a braindead statement. I'd rather lose my job because there are too many robots than too many brown people.

>>516557611 (OP)
>memeflag
>inavsive vermin is Objectively Good for the Economy
Shalom

>>516557611 (OP)
>actually, slave labor is good
you know what I agree

Fuck your wage suppression and fuck your economy that ONLY WORKS FOR ELITES. The mass importation of thirdies and the creation of various work visas has been a disaster for the united states laborer economically, culturally, and spiritually.
Piss off nigger, we're done listening to fucking libertarians/economic zone theorists ruining our nation. Selling our nation's very soul for silver.

>>516563830
We're seeing now.
Even milquetoast dudes like Kirk saw what immigration/work visas were before the end.

Cheap labour is great for building Pyramids, but not so great in today's environment. We have had 6 million Indians dropped on us and can see the effect. All of the low skill jobs - taxis, delivery, trucking, retail, fast food type stuff is taken over by Indians guys. Where you would have seen a 14yr old girl having her first minimum wage job, you get a 34yr old Indian guy wearing an apron and a name tag.

First wave Indian guys in Canada are great. Our kids play hockey, they drink coffee and bourbon, complain about taxes, watch hockey and shovel snow. They dove into Canadian culture head first. New Indians feel like they were dumped from India on us. They came in so fast, many on student visas they don't assimilate. They stay in packs, sleep in houses of 30 dudes and cause lots of trouble. All the current robberies, break-ins, scams and drugs are Indian dudes. They finance a Dodge Charger, put dingo balls all over it and a 6' AK47 sticker down the side of the door.

>>516557768
This.

Abolish the stock market

>>516557611 (OP)
Cheap labour suppresses wages even though it increases the total GDP. The country gets wealthier as a whole, rich individuals get wealthier, normal people get poorer. Rich capitalists love it because it makes them money. Leftists love it because it harms normal whites.

>>516557611 (OP)
fuck the economy