Thread 516567389

I have always wondered on the views of Americans and other Christians on Christianity.

The emphasis on the Old Testament, sin, punishment, submission to God.

That's not how I viewed Christianity and I always thought that my views were different.
Now I never participated too much into religion, but after doing some research apparently "my views" were simply Orthodoxy's views.

Orthodoxy vs the rest of Christianity is actually a completely different religion.

Western Christianity is the continuation of Judaism mixed with Roman law.
Eastern Christianity is the continuation of Hellenic metaphysics.

The core line which changes everything is John's 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This was mistranslated by the Romans.
In the original it is not the word.
It is "Logos".
It is the cosmic rational fire that permeates everything.
Which is just Greek stoicism.

The Anti-Christian shills who blame Christianity of being a Jewish hoax are ironically correct.

But the solution is not turning into LARPing pagans.
It is simple embracing true Christianity.
Orthodoxy

Orthodoxy = Orthos + doxa
It literally means correct opinion

Catholicism = Catholicos
It just means massive, big, the most popular

Protestantism is just complaining bitches as you all know

You can't make this shit up, it's right there in the name

Here is a table which summarizes the core differences.

As you can see these two religions are NOTHING alike.

>>516567389 (OP)
if you minimize the seriousness of sin and the just punishment associated with it then you devalue Christs sacrifice. Submitting to God is the most natural thing in the world for one born of the Spirit. It is a joy.

>>516567389 (OP)
Jesus said ignore anyone bragging about being the kingdom of Heaven for they too might be cut off from the main trunk. Faith puts emphasis on God's ability to save you and cleanse you from sin (baptism in the Holy Spirit), theosis puts emphasis on you doing the work to enhance your surroundings with art/houses/food for purification by consuming.

That is why Catholic churches are gaudy, filled with gold, idols, and images. They think that touching and looking at Gold makes them more righteous.

This directly goes against Jesus' teaching that it's not about what you consume, but what comes out of your mouth.

>>516567389 (OP)
>Orthodoxy vs the rest of Christianity
is actually still the same jewish garbage.
also it might make sense to you to worship a brown circumcised jewish man from the middle east but why should a white guy do that?
I'm tall, white and not circumcised.
why should I join a religion that worships a brown subhuman?
imagine in the story jesus was a nigger, would you still be a jesus worshipper?
your answer is probably gonna be a "no" and if it is you would understand what I mean that it doesnt make sense to worship a brown jewish manlet.
shit makes no sense.

Americans developed their own heretical cults and zionist dogma without any guidance from a strong church
Any hillbilly could become a pastor and espouse false theology basically
>muh separation of church and state

>>516567389 (OP)
Logos is the Greek word for "word" and writing that John was thinking of the Aramaic memra theology pertaining to the two powers of heaven. Greek philosophy was built on top of Christianity but the source material isn't using it

>>516569438
>is actually still the same jewish garbage
unless you rely and study a bible, then you will see the differences/nuances.

[1Th 4:11 KJV] 11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;


>>516569652
>Any hillbilly could become a pastor

That is both good and bad, for the kingdom of Heaven is offered to every man. It is like building a church, each pastor is a part of the construction that is placed onto the foundation. The foundation is the Gospel of Salvation.[1Co 15:1-4 KJV], but you can build anything on top of it. So you see Christ is liberty.

[1Co 3:12 KJV] 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

[Gal 5:1 KJV] 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

>>516567389 (OP)
>mariology

>>516569848
No Logos means 3 things.
It means logic, it means reason and it also means word.
Orthodoxy was built on top of Hellenic metaphysics not the other way around.
But Western Christianity was built upon Jewish values.

>>516570158
its still jewish garbage about a jewish manlet brown guy from the middle east.
has nothing whatsoever to do with white people.
why do you worship a brown guy?

>>516570158
Yes but there are clearly some false teachers who have gotten things profoundly wrong or don’t spend enough time actually reading and understanding the Bible
Like the people who see the word “Israel” and immediately started equating it with the nation created in 1948 that they hear about on FOX News everyday and incorporating unbiblical politics

>>516570434
Because you didn't study a bible you only see Jesus as a minister to Jews only, but it's not the whole story or Testament. That is why you need the New Testament.

>>516567389 (OP)
>The emphasis on the Old Testament, sin, punishment, submission to God.
You are a judaizer if you care about the OT, anon. Forcing Jewish customs into Christianity. That's heresy, the Catholics would have burned you on the stake if you were born in the Middle Ages.

>>516570511
>Yes but there are clearly some false teachers
That is just fine as their work is tried by fire from Heaven, the flaming sword from Jesus' mouth. Study the Word.

There are many different kinds of Christians in America. Most of them have been Protestantized in some way, but actual Protestantism is not nearly as big as it used to be.

Truthfully, Americans at large subscribe to political religions for which Christian theologies of various kinds are the method of apology.

>>516569438
>is actually still the same jewish garbage.
it's not though
Orthodoxy is the continuation-culmination of Greek philosophy and metaphysics.
To the Orthodox, Socrates for example is considered as "B.C. Christ" as we say in Greece.
A Christ before Jesus.

Jesus essentially did the same thing as Socrates, the only difference that he didn't do it out of obedience to the law but out of love.

The rest of Orthodoxy is just expanding upon Platonism and Stoicism.

>worship a brown circumcised jewish man
because your goal in Orthodoxy is not to worship him
it is to become him
to become God

>>516570566
the guy is still a circumcised brown jewish manlet from the middle east no matter what version of the story it is.
and as I already explained, it makes no sense for a white man to worship a brown jewish subhuman.
makes no sense.

>>516567468
I don't agree with this ChatGTP table.

>>516570614
following the commandments is not that hard. putting away the sabbath and justifying idol worship is heretical.

>>516570614
well at least we agree on that, but still that is what permeates Western Christianity
sin, punishment, burning in hell, burning at the stake etc.
so even if you deny the OT, your religion still has its values

>>516567468
>Be transformed into Godlikeness
That's Mormonism TOPKEK.
Can any Orthodox prove that this shit is bullshit?

>>516570667
>it is to become him
why should any white man want to be like a circumcised brown jewish manlet from the middle east?

>>516570667
>because your goal in Orthodoxy is not to worship him
>it is to become him
>to become God
this sounds incredibly wrong. God can make you Holy, but its still an act of God giving you the Holy Spirit. you cant reach into heaven yourself and be like God.

>>516570794
>that guy had culture I don't like
Then you are lost. For we know them by their fruits.

>>516570882
it's not Mormonism
in Mormonism you create your own universe and become a different God
in Orthodoxy it is achieving harmony, participation in God
that's why they put a lot of emphasis on the Genesis verse:
>God created man in his own image and likeness
But in Greek it is not "likeness"
It is omoiosis
Which is interpreted as the inherent ability to become like God

>>516570794
The Hebrews were not the modern day Jews.
That's the mistake you all make.
The modern day Jews are a cargo cult that discovered these rules and tried to make a religion around it without understanding its essence.
After Christ, the Church became the new Israel and the old Israel scattered.

>>516571075
brown semitic subhumans dont have any notable "culture" and for a white man it makes no sense to join the shitskin worshipper cult.

>>516571049
no he gave you the Holy Spark when he created you
see this
>>516571199

but afterwards it is up to you

>>516571226
>The Hebrews were not the modern day Jews.
they were still brown semitic jewish subhumans.
you are probably brown skinned so you cant understand what I mean.

>>516567389 (OP)
both of these faggot forms of christianity are wrong and follow the same path that the pharisees did during Jesus' time. They have invented their own rules and have incorporated a pagan concepts, such as the immortality of the soul, the trinity, and the conflation of Satan's origin/role

and you are a faggot if you follow either of these demonic sects

>>516567389 (OP)
I appreciate the Orthodox outreach, OP.
I've felt attracted to the Orthodox Church for years and keep working on trying to work up the nerve to actually go to one of the ones around me.
I've spent years trying to determine the True Church and this is the closest. I was Catholic for a time but too much is lost as a result of medieval scholasticism which perverted the nature of the Gospel.

>>516571295
>no he gave you the Holy Spark when he created you
no, thats anti scriptural. you are given the Holy Spirit when you repent from your own ways and decide to rely on God. its initiated by God and a complete transformation of your inner being. your old man dies and you are being created as a new man.

>>516569652
this is true
I'm mainly talking about Catholicism and European Protestantism

American "Christianity" is just some crazy dude crossing the Atlantic with nothing but a book.
And then making his own religion around it.

>>516571374
Assuming you are actually German and not some turk, I'm as White as you are but nice try.
You sure seem to know a lot for someone who wasn't actually there. Shame that, for someone who pretends to be so racially studied, you're not aware that most North Africans and Middle Easterners were White back then.

>>516567389 (OP)
logos means word.
>actually it has a very deep second meaning
not when john was alive

>>516570906
The coasts of Israel were not filled with blacks/brownoids due to the constant control of the area by Egypt/Greeks/Persians/Romans, the browning of the area took place after the death of Christ during the arab invasions. Also, Christ created the new covenant, meaning circumsion or any other kike tradition was thrown out as it was part of an unfulfilled path. That's why the kikes murdered him, because in their head there was no way they "man" were wrong about anything, they became sin incarnate. A branch of mankind that submitted to Satan for nothing and lost everything, yet God gave them a chance, only for them to crucify his Son.

>>516567389 (OP)
>Orthodoxy vs the rest of Christianity is actually a completely different religion.
Your own patriarchs disagree with you. Common online orthobro L

>>516571286
>for a white man it makes no sense to join the shitskin worshipper cult
Christianity isn't a cult, in fact it goes out of it's way to become whatever culture it becomes involved in. "If they are a jew, I am a jew, if they are gentile, I am a gentile."

This removes any obstacle in the way between two individuals so that we might win a convert. First we must observe the culture's fruits though, for example Buddhism produces and teaches patients, love, humility, kindness, ect.. the fruits of the Spirit. So they may be good and worthy and friends of Christians. We don't stereotype either, it's all on individual basis.

>>516567389 (OP)
i always wondered how fake and gay shit like philosophy religion etc ever got the foothold it did

>>516567389 (OP)
>I don't really know anything about Christianity, but let me tell you all about it
Take your time and study, bro. Then, do your ecumenical dialogues.

>>516567389 (OP)
God exists in your mind. Its the structure behind your eyes. You can take the religious route but you'll probably just end up treading water until you die confused anyway. Imagination, being open to possibility, questioning everything, and asking humbly when looking in youll find it too. Christ is just a mythic echo to follow along the path. His teachings are important they lay the foundation of the road. The rest of the Bible is just programming manual and doesn't really hold sway over modern times. Yes, especially Leviticus. That class of priests doesn't exist anymore.

>>516570823
>following the commandments
Are you trying to ditch the Bible for something that has a doctrinal origin?
They are like the 7 deadly sins, anon. You are not supposed to take them as God's Truth. The Bible doesn't err, Catechism does, because it is written by man.
Catechism is something you use to simplify your understanding of the Word of God, not to be a substitute of It.
>>516571199
>Which is interpreted as the inherent ability to become like God
Then what are those "Godlike" abilities if you can't create your own universe?

>>516571536
it's not in Greek.
that's why I'm raving about it.
it's literally a COMPLETELY different religion

>το κατ’ εικόνα είναι η ελευθερία που έδωσε ο Θεός στον άνθρωπο να έχει τη δυνατότητα να αποκτήσει κατά χάρη, ό, τι έχει ο Θεός κατά φύση. Το κατ’ εικόνα είναι η δυνατότητα του ανθρώπου να ενωθεί οντολογικά με τον Θεό, να γίνει κατά χάρη θεός και το καθ’ ομοίωση είναι η εκπλήρωση αυτής της δυνατότητας.

translation:
>in his image means the potential of man to be unified with God
>and in his likeness (omoiosis) means the fulfillment of that potential

https://www.pemptousia.gr/2018/06/to-kat-ikona-ke-kath-omiosin-simfona-me-tin-orthodoxi-anthropologia/

>>516571709
are you stupid bro?
ancient Greece predates John

>>516572091
To become like god is to inhabit the kingdom and see it's pattern in the world around you. Magic isn't real. Never was.

>>516572091
Jesus told us to follow his commandments and love God.
its not the law.
the commandments were written by God personally for the benefit of man.

>>516572160
still, its God who initiates and decides who receives the Holy Spirit, not man.
you can apply for a new consciousness to God, but its still his doing.

>>516572091
>Then what are those "Godlike" abilities if you can't create your own universe?
You participate in the divine Logos
Live in accordance with God
You become like Jesus

>>516572203
the abrahamics claim their creeds predate the empire lol
they believe it's older than 2000 years

>>516572351
no he gave every man the potential, but then it is up to you to live up to it

he doesn't decide anything
either you choose to live up to it or you don't

>>516570369
It has those other meanings in Greek thought but the author was a Jew named John not a Greek philosopher. Christianity is Greek philosophy built on top Jewish theology because the earliest church was Greek. It's not that harsh a divide, The RCC represents much of Western christianity and they still use Aristotelian metaphysics, the Trinity's conception is largely Greek with the distinctions between persons and hypostases with thoughts of neoplatonism regarding the son's begotten nature in various streams of thought, etc. Protestantism is much closer to Jewish thinking though as it drops a lot of the Greek roots

>>516571655
>I'm as White as you are
then why do you worship a brown jewish man from the middle east?
>You sure seem to know a lot for someone who wasn't actually there
but you were there?
>North Africans and Middle Easterners were White back then.
they werent, they were the same ugly brown skinned shitskins that they are today.

>>516571798
>Egypt/Greeks/Persians/Romans
these are all brown shitskins with low IQs.
again, why should a White man pretend he has anything to do with these subhumans?

>>516572379
Jesus was literally born in the year 0 dude wtf
That's literally how we keep time
The hellenistic empire predates that and ancient Greece even more

If you are talking about the Old Testament yes it is way older than Jeus, but not the Gospel of John, which includes the verse I am talking about.
That's literally after Jesus as John was this disciple

Mutts can't even distinguish between Old and New Testament
they are that hopeless

>>516572220
>To become like god is to inhabit the kingdom and see it's pattern in the world around you. Magic isn't real. Never was.
So God inhabits the Kingdom and sees its (its? of whom? of what? God's?) patternin the world around Him? That is not God like.
God is omniscent and omnipresent and He creates with His Word. You can't do any of that as a Godlike Orthodox.

>>516570667
Its weird how you are trying to distance your religion from jews and align it with ancient greek philosophy when you can just go a step further and study philosophy without believing that a wandering tribe of incestuous hebrews had sole and exclusive access to the divine for all of human history up until about 2000 years ago. You are correct though that all of the good parts of your religion come from ancient philosophy.

The most powerful God is also the most popular God.

>>516572558
>they werent, they were the same ugly brown skinned shitskins that they are today.
Okay, you've proven that you're a retarded faggot that doesn't know what he's talking about.
Not talking to you any further.

>>516572558
Christianity is friends with all cultures, but enemies with spiritual darkness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOm5pbCru9s

[Eph 6:12 KJV] 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

>>516572547
>the author was a Jew named John not a Greek philosopher
The author was a citizen of the Roman Empire which was a continuation of the Greek Hellenistic empire

He spoke Greek, he wrote in Greek and he thought in Greek.

He was a Jew who rebelled against Judaism and rejected everything his Jewish forefathers had taught him.

He filled in the gap of what he rejected with Hellenic metaphysics which was the dominant school of thought at the time.

>>516572730
because Christianity is the culmination of those metaphysics.
it is better because it includes the concept of love

Logos is not just cold hard logic, like the ancient Greeks believed.
It is logic based on love.

>>516572935
I accept your concession.

>>516572954
>Christianity is friends with all cultures
I dont need friends that worship a brown jewish manlet.
waste of time.

>>516572351
>Jesus told us to follow his commandments and love God.
Could you please name the passage where Jesus names the 10 commandments?
>its not the law.
The perfected Law is to love thy neighbor as thyself. Everything else comes from it.
>for the benefit of man.
For the benefit of the Chosen People, anon. Then they turned their backs to God, so he sent His son for the New Covenant, which circumcises the heart, rather than the body.
God has written the tablets for the Old Covenant, not the New one. You are, again, trying to judaize Christianity.

>>516573159
Like I said you didn't study a bible so you are ignorant and lost. We don't worship a Jew or Jewish religion. Jesus actually denounced his own religion because it became fruitless.

>>516573284
The Old Testament is NOT Christianity

It was merely included to show the continuity of Jesus.
It is included to show what Jesus came to reject.

The Old Testament is literally what NOT TO DO according to Christianity.

Mutts have somehow twisted that and only follow the Old Testament, and treat the New one as a footnote.

They are not Christians, not by a mile.
They are Jewish golems following a watered down version of Judaism.

>>516573717
>The Old Testament is literally what NOT TO DO according to Christianity.
Lel, jeebus himself said to follow the law and to not change even a jota from it, fuck are you talking?

>>516572351
tell me you're jewish without telling me you're jewish

>>516573994
The law being OT

>>516573717
based

>>516573717
Don't get me wrong, I agree.
The other anon kept saying that the Catholics are wrong because they don't follow the commandments that are in the OT.
I agree that they are wrong, but not because of that kek.

>>516573322
It's all people like him have got, since they've rejected grace and have tried to fill the void with the things of this world.
Ultimately an unfulfilling pursuit, and one that leads to death over the course of eternity.

>>516573717
>The Old Testament is literally what NOT TO DO according to Christianity.

All prophets of the OT have been canonized as saints by the Orthodox Church.
The NT says the OT contains wisdom and guidance. Of course it also contains cautionary tales, but what you have stated here is outright heresy.
As Orthodox Christians, we follow the heart of the law that is contained within the OT, but not the letter of the law.
For example we reject homosexuality, but we do not stone homosexuals to death.

>>516572455
God decides everything. every bit in your life is choreographed down to the smallest possibility. the only agency we have is to respond to God coming into our life, to reject or accept him.
>he doesn't decide anything
everything in your life was decided by God before creation begun.

God does all things, we are only participants in his glory.

>>516573322
>We don't worship a Jew or Jewish religion
thats what you do tho and I studied it enough to know that its all about brown jewish people from the middle east.

>>516573284
Matthew 19
17And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

1 John 5
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

John 14
18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”

>>516573284
>God has written the tablets for the Old Covenant, not the New one. You are, again, trying to judaize Christianity.
the New Covenant does not replace the Old one. even Moses wrote about the circumcision of the heart and not the flesh.
the New Covenant and the keeping the commandments on our hearts was predicted by God in Jeremiah 31.

31“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

I am not judaising. the law and commandments are two separate things.
the Law, to show we are man and not God, since only God can keep all the law perfectly in Jesus Christ.
the commandments, to Love God as a benefit for us. the sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath. its for your own benefit to follow the commandments.

>>516574288
the commandments were changed by the vatican. they claim to be God on earth who can change times and laws which is predicted to be the anti Christ in Daniel.
they done away with the 2nd commandments and worship idols and they replaced the sabbath with the day of the Lord.
thats blasphemy against God.

>>516567389 (OP)
>it's right there in the name
How about you acknowledge that there are two Catholicisms then, Roman Catholicism and Orthodox Catholicism (both of which claim to be Universal)?

>>516573997
whats so bad about the commandments and keeping them?
its literally "dont be an ass dude" simple.

>>516573717
the OT and NT are inseparable. you cant understand the OT without the NT.
works dont make you righteous, so doing the work of the law doesnt make you righteous, only faith makes you righteous that is faith by grace given by God.
doesnt matter if you keep the OT law or times, the commandments are written on your heart so you keep them by your new born again own nature. none of that is an act by you, but all is done by God in you.

>>516575429
12 yo atheist tier

>>516572696
>If you are talking about the Old Testament yes it is way older than Jeus
if you put the judean cult leader's birth at 0 then it's 15 years or less older
that shit did not exist
and indeed doesn't exist outside of it's own alt history that includes the blatantly false exodus from egypt shit
being that they didn't even abandon ashrah and the rest till the early empire/pre empire period i'm guessing none of it is older than 500bce at most

>>516567389 (OP)
Christ existed before Judaism. Christ is Jehovah.
Hitler had the correct version of Christianity. So do Mormons .

>>516572696
There is no year 0. Jesus was born on year 1. Common mistake.

We don't get any references of the Aristotelian Logos in Hellenic Judaism until Philo, who did not know the new testament.

>>516567389 (OP)
Catholics, which gave you the Bible, are fully aware of the Logos.

Do better fren.

>>516575270
> I studied it enough
that's your pride talkin buddy.

>>516577101
based. faith is granted to us for Christs name sake and He will raise them up on the last day. He will not lose a single one of His sheep, and that is of great comfort to sinners saved by grace.

>>516579837
Catholics provided a gnostic perversion of the bible which came from Alexandria Egypt, where the gnostics lived and taught. The KJV comes from the textus receptus, which were European copies found on ancient scrolls in the Middle East, where the events actually happened.

Which version should we look at the most, I say the one that hasn't been changed and philosophized to death by "experts"

>>516581044
please demonstrate these massive changes you're implying have occurred.

>>516581569
I recommend the trail of blood, it shows the history of all the heresies taught by catholics:

-infant baptism
-indulgences
-magic eucharist and blood drinking
-killing christians and burning bibles
the list is too huge to make here.

>>516581778
oh i know the church of rome has collected various heresies over the centuries anon, im just wondering what big changes you think have been done to the Bible.

>>516581778
The catholic church is the only church that will defy the law of physic and survive for another 1000+ years.

>>516581989
I honestly don't know I only read the KJV, I just assume their version of the bible is where they are getting so corrupted and perverted with doctrine that consistently strays from the word of God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ-7OVTQc3M

>>516582214
They are allowed to do this until Jesus comes back. Then they will be gone forever. That is why we don't worship religion and traditions of men.

>>516582341
You cling to the mortals and have no faith in the absolute power of God.

>>516582522
>Satan the accuser randomly appears.

every time.

>>516582609
Satan should know about the absolute power of God more than anyone.

>>516581044
>>516582341
KJV is based in the masoretic texts which are corruptions on itself and also was co-created together with catholics.

The supreme God has no rival.
>And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church: and the gates of hell shall not overcome it.

>>516582842
>masoretic texts
That is Old Testament, who cares. The main Testament of Christ was the Gospel of Salvation.

>>516582742
All I did was show what scripture says, I'm not accusing any catholics. You are lowering yourself by making personal accusations, that is Satan's job.

>>516583091
Well. I do think I am Satan. I was born under the star of Saturn with the mark of the great theif in the middle of my back.

>>516582341
>I just assume their version of the bible is where they are getting so corrupted and perverted with doctrine
nah, the Bible has little to do with their corrupt beliefs anon. all the strange stuff comes from outside the Bible (what they call tradition) and then the Bible is sometimes used to try justifying them after the fact. The Bible has actually been incredibly well preserved over the millennia. Trust God to preserve His word.

>>516582341
oh, and maybe take a listen to some of the presentations by Richard Bennet, an ex roman priest

heres one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxwYuWzC61s

>>516583631
We are all capable of being satan, Jesus called St. Peter satan. He is a spirit that effects all of us. God Bless anon Jesus saves.

>>516567389 (OP)
Luckily we have old testament verses to disprove your gayreek turkroach heresy.
Kill yourself pedophile.

>>516567389 (OP)
>Eastern Christianity is the continuation of Hellenic metaphysics.
no lol

>>516584418
>we
Seem like you want to invalidated my individuality. I am the great prince of this world. There is literally no being more powerful on this earth than me.

>>516580476
you worship a circumcised brown jewish subhuman and call him your king.
are you nonwhite or why do you do it?

>>516584756
To me. You are a subhuman. You worship the flesh, and not the spirit.

>>516567389 (OP)
I am so tired of this rhetoric, the only way you can say this if to you Christianity is a tool and not literal incarnate truth.
Christ predates philosophy because he is literally the word of creation manifest itself.

>>516585490
The dog spams cp webms on int you dont have to know more than that

>>516568016
>>516569652
>>516570158
>>516570654

>Immaculate Mary your praises we s-*BANG* grgghhgrggh...grhgrhgg..hoockk...grhfgh.

>>516583792
yep, no man comes through the father except through Jesus, not Mary.

Christianity itself is just neoplatonism mixed with jewish traditions. All the stuff about heaven and angels is literally just neoplatonism.

>>516585967
Mary is a symbolic representation of faithful Israel, not Christ. She was the woman giving birth and the dragon wanted to devour Jesus. It will happen again in Israel before Jesus comes again.

>>516586183
If it does not exist, you can just make it. There is no metaphore, there is no limit. All you need is Power.

>>516567389 (OP)
>Eastern Christianity is the continuation of Hellenic metaphysics.

Here's your hellenic metaphysics lmao

>>516567389 (OP)
>>516567468
I thought this was somewhat common knowledge, at least here

>>516585967
>Immaculate Mary
not Biblical at all

>>516586065
absolutely anon. I honor Mary as being a chosen vessel of the Lord and truly she was blessed by being chosen for that role....but thats all. Rome has gone beyond all reason and evidence with their many marian doctrines and dogmas.

>>516586609
to be honest, none of those are either/or. They are both/and. you cant have the right hand column without the left hand column also being true.

>>516581778
Please see the catechism of the Catholic Church to answer your basic scriptural questions. Avoid youtube videos by pastor bob of church of the strip mall

>>516570882
no, it's orthodoxy
the biggest difference imo is that catholics see sin as some sort of brand, whereas in orthodoxy sin is the state of existing in this reality
it leads to funny things like catholics deciding mary literally flew up into heaven like neo at the end of the matrix

>>516588281
Orthodox also believe in the Assumption of Mary

>>516588121
You are generalizing cultures as being off limits to Christ Kingdom, pastor Bob has every right to interpret the bible, scripture is not for private interpretation. That is chiefly why Catholics persecuted people by killing them and burning bibles.

>>516588728
no we don't, we explicitly state that mary died, not physically absconded to heaven

>>516584882
>To me.
you are probably brown so who cares what an actual brown subhuman like you thinks or believes anyway?
you worship a circumcised brown jewish subhuman from the middle east. your copes and seethes change nothing.

>>516567389 (OP)
Don't think too much about it. Just read a Bible translation that's going to allow you to enjoy reading it. Then let Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit lead you into the millennial kingdom.

>>516589100
>pastor Bob has the right
>scripture not for private interpretation
So which is it
Guess it doesn’t matter. jews will just fling contradictions to dissuade the weak minded scrolling by

>>516589146
Anon, I…the Assyrian Eastern Orthodox celebrates the Assumption…

>>516567389 (OP)
Nice! Don't forget about Hebrew too. Translations are appropriations these days and the doctrines than stem from it lead to political escalation eventually. Just clankmaxx.

>>516589333
If it's for public interpretation does pastor bob have a God given right to interpret it and read it? Do we start book burning again?

>>516567468
Yeh, this is pretty accurate.
t. Presbyterian

>>516589573
that's not an orthodox church, it just has the word in the name, just like our church is called the orthodox catholic church, yet isn't catholic
this is basic stuff

>>516589690
My dear friend you seem agitated. No one is preventing you from reading the Bible and promulgating heresy

>>516571798
Proverbs 18:20-21
You are covered in feces

>>516589892
only agitate if you don't answer the question. You argued something now lets discuss like grown ups.

Demons are infesting this cursed thread

>>516590000
What is your name demon?

>>516590066
>66
>>516582609

>>516590126
your the one accusing.

>>516590158
This thread is cursed

>>516590204
What is your name?

The demons go quiet when you identify them

>>516567389 (OP)
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
So the Word in this sense is reality, truth, and the absolute. Interestingly, God spoke the world into exist, it wasn't the waving of a magic wand like most think it was. Hebrews 11 also agrees in that
>Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
All truth, all reality, rests on the Word of God. This is why God does not have to be proven, because He IS reality Himself. But what is most interesting to me is that Moses' account of God having spoke reality into existence, and the interpretation of the Word as the foundation of reality by the authour of the letter to the Hebrews, is also found, seemingly by pure reason, by the ancient Greek philosophers. Logos spermatikos.

Let it be known, once again, a Roman Catholic was the one to identify and deal with the demons.

Deo gratias

>>516590720
good, now make sure you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and reject roman catholic heresies and queen of heaven worship.

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

>>516567389 (OP)
Interesting. But here is what the book actually says. In summary, we learn from the old testament and live by the new. Anything else is outside of this actual book and was made up by man.

Hebrews 8:13

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Galatians 3:23–25

"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Romans 10:4

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Colossians 2:16–17

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Romans 7:6

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

Hebrews 7:12

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

John 1:17

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

Matthew 5:17–18

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

>>516590720
>>516590919
How do you plan to fulfill Zechariah 8:23?

>>516591011
The romans killed off the ebionites and the nazarenes, and john chrysostom went on tirades against judaizers. How will you now fulfill Zechariah 8:23?

>>516591302
By living the scriptures. What else would be appropriate? No matter what happens, even on pain of death. If I can't die for Christ, I am unworthy of him just the same. I have seen many from many religious backgrounds acknowledge God is with me. Not because I am better than anyone of them. But because God is a God of his word.

>>516591123
it was already fulfilled?

>>516591123
>Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (John 5:39)

>Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us. (1st Corinthians 5:7)

>Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

>Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
>circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
>concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
>But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
>Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
>and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
>that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
>if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

>>516567389 (OP)
dude, all branches of christianity, just like Islam, are DLC for judaism.

>>516591581
>God is a God of his word.
I agree. Do you understand Hebrew?

Numbers 23:19
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

Zechariah 8:23
Thus says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”

Where then is your wedding garment, friend?

>>516591977
My wedding garment is arrayed on my heart brother. That I glorify God in all instances and not myself. For it is he whom you see and hear when something worthy comes from what appears to be me. I be but a lowly servant.

>>516591685
You killed off the ebionites and nazarenes instead of fulfulling the verse, and then wrote Homilies Against The Jews.

>>516591977
> And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
>the same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.

>And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
>And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
>was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
>Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
>And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
>And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

>>516567389 (OP)
The bible is a specific book about the one true God, it is not a recipe for whatever mysticism people want to connect it to. The book itself tells you to not listen to all these philosophies and that they are of "this world", maybe even the serpent/satan himself, and not of God.
God is in no way a patchwork of anything, but that's how it sounds when people say things like "Christianity is a continuation of [some philosophy/paganism that is not Biblical]". God does not share anything with any other gods or idols or philosophies or traditions, God is Himself the first and the last, the Alpha and Omega, and we are just playing our philosophical ideological games here in the mean time as humans in the phyiscal lively world that He created. It is humanism, and sometimes it puts man in an elevated position almost right next to God. Like the Gnostics or something. That's not what I learn from the Bible, we only have power or wisdom or understanding through His grace, in the name of Jesus Christ, that's what the Bible teaches me. Anything else is trying to add human invented mythology to the word and make a worldly organization out of that.
I can really only rely on the preserved word, the bible, and whatever it is that God gives me in understanding about his word. That really is the cornerstone as I understand it, the rock, his word, He himself, the written word and the spirit word and of course Jesus Christ in the flesh, God Himself in person.

>>516590474
>>516590720
nigger, you stopped replying when I called you out >>516589855
you have no place discussing this

>>516592256
I find no fault in you, watch out hypocrites like the OP.

>>516592276
weird, cant remember I did that.

>>516591977
>There was a certain man in Cæsarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
>a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway...
>And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
>But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
>And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
>And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

>>516592281
Philip here appears to be one man, not ten men from each nation. Do words have meanings?

>>516592555
>And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled. But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
> And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

>>516592660
Jews did not evangelize The Waye outside of asia minor or Judea.

>>516567389 (OP)
>Americans and other Christians
Evangelicals are not Christians, because of all those theological innovations that resulted from replacing the clergy with... pastors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_theology

I would also extend this argument to all Protestants. They all diverged too much from Christianity to be lumped together in that category.

>>516570882
No, Thats Orthodoxy.
IN FACT, Catholicism, while emphasizing it far less than the East, still has the concept of Divinization (as it should, considering that it comes since the foundation of Christianity, basically)

>>516567468
>As you can see these two religions are NOTHING alike.
You left out the 99% that is identical, you stable genius.

>>516593488
This is true, paul derived his entire authority from this ritual, saying he entered the third heaven:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(legend)

Basically christianity is a canonized version of this doctrine.

>>516593488
of course. that Christians will share, in some sense, in the glory of God is absolutely Biblical and is part of what it means to be joined to Christ by Faith. As we shared in the nature of Adam, so shall Christians share in the nature of Christ. But that doesn't mean we become little gods or whatever. what it means to become like Christ needs to be kept firmly in context

1 John 3:2 (ESV)
Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:29 (ESV)
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

2 Corinthians 3:18 (ESV)
And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

>>516590720
yes, it's is funny that Catholics are the only ones with problems getting demon possessed why is that?

>>516567389 (OP)
True, Orthodoxy is basically Hellenic Gods mixed into one God plus some side characters present also.
Dyonisus + Sol are Christ.
Prometheus is Lucifer.
the Father is Zeus/Chronos/Uranus.
Holy Spirit might be an exception but it's probably just meant to represent the Eternal Soul of every being.
In Slavic Orthodoxy slavic Gods were also added to it as Saints.
Celebrating Orthodoxy is being true to your roots, specially listening to it in Greek or old Slavic as well however for some reason I prefer greek.

>>516594385
Furthermore the Hellenic Religion says Zeus will be replaced by one of his children and He chooses Dyonisus the WINE God to inherit Him, making Christ even more so a natural continuation of the Olympians.
And yes for some reason the rest of the heretic retards focus on the Old Testament ( jew god / Zeus ) and completely forget about Jesus Christ the EUROPEAN GOD Who is the new rightful ruler.

>>516594358
>yes, it's is funny that Catholics are the only ones with problems getting demon possessed why is that?
You're just pretending not to know that you are talking about mental illness and spectacular rituals meant to convince the patient that she is healed by divine intervention, right?

If, instead, you are just the dumb Ameritard you seem to be, then the simple explanation is that Catholics have a culture of blaming mental illness on demonic possession.

>>516594898
I was talking to the pretend Catholic trolling the thread. Yes, I know I am getting trolled, I just wanted to troll back a little. Catholic yell the loudest about getting demon possessed because they are so superstitious.

>>516567389 (OP)
My view is that Christianity is slavery. Slavery to Jews. All the Abrahamic faiths are slave religions. When the world is finally rid of Abrahamism the human race can start anew.

>>516567389 (OP)
>Orthodoxy = Orthos + doxa
>It literally means correct opinion
If you do not believe in repenting from your sin, which is violation of God's law, then you are Heterodox, not Orthodox.