Thread 516596753

Tipping is supposed to be a reward for EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD service. Not for average service that servers are already supposed to provide.
You're supposed to tip because you genuinely feel like the server/cook/etc. did an amazing job and deserves a reward.

Americans don't reward good service, they just pay to avoid getting bad service next time they go to the restaurant. It's literally racket / protection money and they seem completely fine with it.

It’s why I don’t eat out or order in.

What an odd thing for a Romanian to be thinking about.

>>516597016
Europeans like to nitpick American culture but they’re correct about tipping.

>>516596753 (OP)
Yes we realize what a scam it is.

>>516597016
Same guy as
>>516596408
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/6QaI2zT-jjl9IDPJlUONDw/

>>516596753 (OP)
>times
>$10.75*3 = $32.75 ????
>$32.75+107.53 = $139.75 ????

If you know in advance, then just don't go. I don't see the big deal. You should be cooking yourself anyway. And as a plus: you can relax too, unless you're married to a sheboon, of course.

Who actually takes the tip? Is it shared between the workers?
If I like the food and give a tip, does the money actually go to the chef or does the waitress just take it?

>>516597016
>>516597153
Baiting OP btfo by based archive checkers.

>>516597184
>women

>>516596753 (OP)
If the usa had genuine employment laws like a civilized nation then low-paid workers wouldn't have to beg like beggars.
I never give to beggars. I always say the same thing.
GET A JOB.
>mericans
GET A REAL JOB. STOP BEGGING.

>>516597184
Merican Math

>>516596753 (OP)
>tipping is supposed to be a reward for exceptionally good service
it's a reward for a job you're legally obligated to do.
it's not a tip, it's a tax.

>>516598132
As long as we have problems, you can keep on ignoring yours, and vice versa.

>>516596753 (OP)
Why do servers deserve a percentage of what my meal costs?

>>516596753 (OP)
why should the waitresses tip be dependent on the cost of food?
her bringing me toast from the kitchen is the same amount of work as her bringing me a steak

>>516600194
>servers deserve a percentage of what my meal
The mafia provides better service.

>>516596753 (OP)
I just tip 4 dollars for excellent service, 2 for mediocre, none for bad. I will never do percentage based given their job has nothing to do with it either, it's just carry thing and ask thing.

Tips everywhere and no taxes on tips has made me less inclined to tip anymore, or even like I did in the past.

>>516596753 (OP)
>$32.75
Shouldn't it be $32.25?

>>516596753 (OP)
Can any burger answer... what happens if you don't tip over there? Like, if I go on vacation to the US, can I just eat at a new place every day, don't give a fuck about the tip and just calculate my food costs according to restaurant prices without tips? I don't give a shit if some shitskin or woman glares at me, so that's no problem. I guess what I'm asking is whether it's actually voluntary, no one is going to stop you if you don't pay the tips right?

>>516596753 (OP)
>if you don't tip well, don't come out
>gives formula for a 10% tip.
>minimum tip is 15%
I don't make the rules.

>>516596753 (OP)
>times it by 3

>>516596753 (OP)
I cant even multiply by 3.

>>516601167
I've never had issue not tipping aside the assumed worry of going back and having them realize who I am and doing something to my food. It's not like it's a law.

>>516596753 (OP)
30% tip, after tax.
FUCK OFF.
If you want people to hate servers and never tip, keep posting bullshit like this

>>516601445
Cool.

>>516601745
I'd certainly never tip if I was in the US. Who in their right mind pays a voluntary fee, kek. And servers are just a needless profession in the first place. Offer me the option to get my own food from the kitchen and I'll do that, I don't need to sit there and pretend I'm being served by lackeys like some retard boomer.

>>516597016
Sneed goes in all fields.

>>516597005

I refuse to tip, vote or eat pussy.

>>516597184
Oh is "times" supposed to stupid? Suddenly im an idiot cause I dont always use a 3 syllable word, and shorten it in a way where no one will be confused? NOW IM THE FUCKING RETARD??? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

>>516596753 (OP)
>107,53 + 32,25 = 139,75
Do these people not have phones with calculators on them?

>Give me $32 for bringing shit out someone else made and refilling your water.
Fuck off.

>>516596753 (OP)
The math is wrong

>>516596753 (OP)
I don't even know why I bother reading the opinions of people from europe.

>>516602798
No, they want you to pay a 30% tip.

>>516596753 (OP)
30%. lol. pleasantly silent server robots soon. some with a tail even.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHwpk8FDibc
employer says he's very happy and amortisation is 6 month. boomer says he'd prefer a titted server. well.

I rarely tip if ever but tipping is fine when people are realistic.
OP is not realistic. Giving 2 bucks a person is realistic

>>516597217
Depends. You could personally give your tip to a chef or whoever but seems like most waiting staff will split. At least everyone who I know who works at a place that does tips is like that

>>516603230
Boomers love the experience of larping as a Duke or whatever the fuck and have some toady suck up to them for a brief while. I don't get it. Seems pretty demeaning to me to pay someone money to be nice to you.

the only people that tip anymore are boomers

>>516598132
Some severs get paid way more in tips than they would via flat wages. If hot women can't make extra money anymore then every customer everywhere deserves to suffer.

>>516596753 (OP)
multiply it by 3 hahahaha they wish, I was a server back in the day, 20 - 25% was crazy good

>>516596753 (OP)
This is right on the edge of absurdity. Well done troll or the next step in server craziness.

I’ll tip the chef but the only tip a server is getting from me is this dick.

>>516603992
yes. though there's a range from clevage and beer mugs, to professionalism paired with extensive knowledge of the subject, as in where is this wine from, what makes it special, how does it taste, what are the amuse geule and such nonsense. where i grew up waiter was a profession. apprenticeship, pro-certificate and all. east germany that is. tips were common but not normed or expected so employers wouldn't have to pay a living wage. jew society, what can you do.

>>516604999
>extensive knowledge of the subject, as in where is this wine from, what makes it special, how does it taste, what are the amuse geule and such nonsense.
I could just google all that crap myself.

>>516605203
kek. that is also true. times have changed indeed. i vote for the robot.

>>516596753 (OP)
Gen Z just hates tipping because they can't do math and it embarrasses them. What is 20% of 9.99? Aaaaahhhuuuuhhh

FUCK! I HATE TIPS!

>>516605897
That makes no sense, gen z all have phones with calculators on them. Why would this be a struggle for them? I could understand if some confused boomer struggled with tips, but they fucking LOVE tipping people.

>>516602397
>t. Penny Wiggins

>>516596753 (OP)
>10.75 * 3 = 32.75
>not 32.25
Amerimuttematics

>>516596753 (OP)
I’ve been on /pol/ long enough to learn the only people who complain about tipping are absolute fucking cowards who are leftist in nature

>>516606827
It's called "common core."

getting mad over tipping should unironically be considered a symptom of autism. You guys get mad over roastie waitressesses but your really just fucking over the schizo back of house workers if you act like a kike but I know your all NEETs who only eat at McDonalds so I look forward to having you as my fellow coworkers soon when your autism bucks get shut off lmao.

>>516606841
>>516606877
I'm not mad or complain about tipping at all. I'm just not going to pay any voluntary fees, because I'm not retarded.

>>516601167
Literally nothing happens.

>>516596753 (OP)
Who tips %30 ? Gtfo

>>516602397
>Oh is "times" supposed to stupid?
Yes, saying "then times it by 3" is absolutely retarded

>>516606994
you'll get intentionally slow service and upcharged. We can also spot you fuckers a mile away so it's not like your pulling a fast one. You know what other group famously doesn't tip?

>inb4 I'll just take my business elsewhere or muh robots will take your job

It's been tried it doesn't work and people like you are a minority. Stick to McDonalds and fast casual chains sperg. Most people don't have this autistic stick up their ass or have actual work experience doing shit jobs so they don't have this kike autist mentality.

It's literally just niggers and NEETs who bitch about tipping culture in America.

>inb4 some chad crypto millionare larper shows up

>>516606994
I didn’t say you were mad or complaining.

I’m not sure if you just inferred that because you are cowardly and leftist in nature, but that would be fallaciously affirming the consequent.

>>516607361
I'm not bitching, I'd just not pay the voluntary fee. I don't see the point of paying money when I don't have to.

>>516607372
Ok, but paying tips are still retarded. I don't mind there being tips, as long as I don't have to pay them.

>>516607630
Okay.

>>516596753 (OP)
No the purpose of tipping is so the staff doesn't ignore you or turn you away in favor of the people that are tipping. A place you frequent you tip regularly so the staff knows you are more important and spends more effort improving your service. If you're travelling and only eating at a place once then you shouldn't tip at all because there is no benefit from tipping prior to tipping.

>>516597217
Depends on the place, my sister is a waitress and she interviewed at like 10 places, 8 of them pooled tips.

I'd just round it up to 110

>>516596753 (OP)
>Do Americans realize how retarded their tipping culture is?
No, of course not.

>>516596753 (OP)
>You need to bribe me to do my job the way I always should

>>516596753 (OP)
Yeah, I'm just not going to tip.

>>516607852
Why would you go over and over to a place where they overcharge you by 20% as a penalty for being a recurring customer? That's just you paying 20% extra for your food?

Just go to a new place every time.

>>516607630
like I said autism. If you can't implicitly understand the social/cultural dynamics at play that's on you. You aren't punished for it but it absolutely is autist/nigger behavior. It's like littering or playing your music without headphones on the subway. I don't know why /pol/ bitches about tipping when (boomer greed aside) it's an cultural trait of high trust civilized societies and free riders like you make it worse for everyone involved

I can't believe I have to explain this to a Scandinavian

How else is a young nepo restaurant owner going to afford 2 sports cars off 3 years in business without making you pay his employees?

>>516597145
I don’t entertain the opinions of people who eat snails.

>>516596753 (OP)
Tip for servers and the only kind of tip I'll ever give them(unless you're a hot waitress); if your job doesn't pay enough to make a living, find another job instead of expecting others to fill in the blanks.

>>516607361
>you'll get intentionally slow service and upcharged.
how would they know beforehand? what would employers respond if a waiter demanded 30% of turnover? hilarious.

>>516608027
Brother, it's a retard remnant of aristocrat culture. Like, could you go into the kitchen and get your own food? Yes, you could. Do you actually need some pretend toady in a penguin suit to dance like a monkey for you, so you can pretend you're a Baron for a couple of hours?

Waiters are simply obsolete, you boomers just have to deal with that. So no tip for your waitress thot daughter, I'm not going to increase the cost of my food by 20% just because she's there smiling at me and pretending to like me, that's just how it's going to be.

>>516608221
they know. Employers or more likely Shift Leads won't chastise them either. God you fuckers are so cut off from basic reality.

>>516608221
The dude thinks waiters are psychics or something.

>>516608259
stick to mcdonalds or being a roaming gypsy in terms of where you eat then fag.

>>516608527
it's almost like the people who don't tip have certain behavoral mannerisms and group stereotypes or something.

>>516608015
Here is a just an example. When I go to the bar, the bartender pours my drink then comes over to greet me with it. I also pay a discounted price for a healthy pour

This is opposed to you. You will be greeted when he is done talking to his regulars, your drink will be made in order, and you will pay full price for a standard pour

Even ignoring the discount I get (I end up paying less than you not tipping, after my tip) and the better pours (I get more in my drink) some people like this preferential service alone enough that tipping is worth it. If you have more patience than money, of course this wouldn’t be worth it for you; but building that reputation gives preferential treatment and, such as in this case, can lead to a win-win situation where I pay less for my drinks and my bartender earns more in tips; leaving both of us with more money than if I did not tip at all.

>>516608722
Pfff, I can play haughty faggot as well as anyone.

>>516608809
>When I go to the bar, the bartender pours my drink then comes over to greet me with it. I also pay a discounted price for a healthy pour
Ok, that's obviously bullshit. If your "pour discount" was bigger than the tip, then tips wouldn't work at all at this hypothetical retard establishment. So we can safely say that you're paying more than me, not less.

So what you're getting out of it is that the pretend lackey behind the bar greets you with the drink. I.e. you're paying some guy to pretend to like you.

>>516609021
Thank you for informing me of my real life and how I got it wrong, I’m glad you have so much more experience with the people and places I frequent than I do.

>>516609198
Can any other burgers confirm what this tipping enjoyer is trying to convince me of? Do you really get 20%+ more value in the amount of food and drink as a tipping recurring customer?

Because if that's the case why would anyone ever complain about tips, I mean, then it's just a straight up transaction, you're paying 20% more for 20%+ more food.

>>516596753 (OP)
Why do I have to pay for the inability of the employee to negotiate a better salary?

As long as I pay the bill...my obligations as a customer/client are over. End of the story.

Anything else is BS

muh free market...and sh.i.t

mis cojones 33.

>>516596753 (OP)
Here's an idea eurotash faggot.
Worry about YOUR country for a change.

>>516596753 (OP)
shut the fuck up communist.

>>516596753 (OP)
I worked a job involving tips when I was a teenager. Shit was great but jeets and blacks never fucking tipped and always ate up so much time it was ridiculous. I'm guessing all the complaining about tips is jeets being angry about having to do it and people who work for dips having to remind because jeets never do it.

I'm going to order DoorDash right now just so I can not tip the jeet who delivers it. I don't even want anything--I'm going to give it to my dog.

>>516596753 (OP)
>We expect 30% tip
That's why I don't dine out anymore

>>516607852
a 'hip' high quality place will be packed, have high turnover and happy staff, no matter if high cuisine or pub by the road.
a friend ran a 'fusion' place in berlin in the mid 90s. they had about 20K turnover per evening and 3.5 mill profit per year for 5 years straight. waiters pooled tips with kitchen and still had ~200 per evening. no tip rules or expectations. the hustle of such a successful place is fun, especially when the owners do everything to keep staff happy and entertained. like full dinner before work, from the kitchen, a la carte, and shots throughout the evening, occasionally a bottle of taittinger rosé with grear fanfare.
heck, they even knew about some staff stealing and didn't bother finding out, as long as the minor amounts could be written off as 'broken goods'. servers 'demanding' is a bad sign.

>>516596753 (OP)
>times it by 3
>randomly adds 50 cents
Why is math so hard for women?

>>516609426
Not like this happens everywhere I go, but at my bar a neat glass of well whiskey is six bucks. He charges me three bucks and I give him a fiver.

This would be a 33% tip if I got the drink full price (and I would probably just give him a buck anyways). Regardless, I pay five bucks for a six dollar drink and he gets the equivalent of a 33% tip (it’s actually 66% tip at the discounted price).

In this way we are both getting more.

>>516610314
So basically he's tipping you, you're not tipping him. Maybe he's in love with you or something. Ask him for a loan, he sounds like a complete sucker.

>>516610435
I’m not sure if you are just retarded or what your deal is.

He is not paying the other half of my drink, I am getting wrung up at a discount. It costs him zero, and he gains two dollars.
Meanwhile my drink costs one dollar less than listed price, even after my generous tip.

So to compare again to you:
>I have one more dollar in my wallet compared to you not tipping
>the bartender has two more dollars in his wallet compared to you not tipping
We both win.

>>516609850
no i work in a majority white establishment similar to what >>516609985 you aren't owning anybody by not tipping your just fucking over the back of house which is why it's funny that so much of the excuses for not tipping are just incel screeching because if that's what motivates them they'd tip every time because they're just fucking over the back of house autists/schizos by acting like a nigger

Like that post points out a good place has high turnover. You retards are a minority and don't effect us at all, but if you act like a nigger you're going to get treated like one simple as.

I don't know why autists have such a hard problem with this. Even when gratiuity is baked in upfront they still bitch

It's also a generational thing. A lot of boomers are shitty tippers while millennials and zoomers even despite not making much money tip well because a lot of them HAVE worked those jobs and don't have such a jewish fuck you got mine mentality towards their peers

Boomers not paying their workers and speds and not tipping are both a symptom of a judiazed mentality.

You aren't pulling a fast one. The stacies just mock you to the back of house and give you the bare minimum service. We don't care if you never come back and openly hope you don't.

It's like you fuckers view the entire thing as a antagonistic transaction when the simple solution is to not patronize us at all. You have zero power over us and we don't want to deal with you

It quite literally is just an autistic goblin spite thing. Even the gloating in this thread is just effeminate passive aggressive shit and they wonder "how" we can tell which customers are going to be an issue lmao.

>30% tip
What the actual flying fuck

>>516610645
Does he brew the whiskey himself in a still out in the barn or something? Nah, something doesn't add up here.

>>516610759
Okay so I guess you are just retarded.

>>516610663
>you aren't owning anybody by not tipping
I paid 20% less for my meal than the boomer, tho. That's a win.

>>516596753 (OP)
> times it
Hunt them down.
Deport.

>>516596753 (OP)
Don't tip on tax
Don't tip on fees
Don't use the precalculated percentages, they are all dishonest faggots that overcharge

>>516610831
Nah, I get it. This guy has some scam going where he overcharges everyone 3 dollars for a glass of whiskey. Then, when he falls in love with some customer, he removes that overcharge and sells it for 3 dollars. Then you pay a big tip on that, evening it out to 5 dollars. In the end, this kooky bartender has tipped you a dollar off of his scam price for whiskey.

See, I do follow along.

>>516596753 (OP)
Trying to convince the older generations (im mid 30s btw) to stop tipping is impossible. They are the most brainwashed sheep you've ever seen.

10% is all you'll ever get from me for not keeping my iced tea full and sweet. Maybe ya shoulda learned2Code, no?

>>516607852
>ever eating anything strangers have touched, especially out of your line of vision
Yeah no.

>>516610645
the bottle needs to be purchased on the business, each sale booked into he register at given sales price. there are options, like VIP prices and 'broken goods', but failing to register sales can fire back in case of a deep check by our finanzamt (irs for you), when they compare purchase and sales and the cash they find under your mattress. i know it's done anyway and a lot just 'breaks'. though that is limited to 10% over here. if your bartender is not the owner then he is either allowed to set price for you or 'stealing'. i don't see how you see a tip there. it's a nice gesture anyway.

>>516596753 (OP)
30%
Yeah I’ll just hire a private chef at that point

>>516596753 (OP)
Going out to eat is retarded 99% of the time. If you have a kitchen, use it. If you don't, you probably live in a box, go get some food at the homeless shelter.

>>516611586
Yeah, there's something weird going on over in that bar. My assumption is that the bartender is grooming our Anon friend in some nefarious way.

>>516596753 (OP)
>30% mandatory tip
lmfao no

>>516601167
Had a pizza delivery guy bang on my door for about five minutes when I didn't tip him but he showed up three hours late and was lucky I still paid for the pizza. Never ordered from that place again.

>>516596753 (OP)
>Not for average service that servers are already supposed to provide.
No, you are literally paying them for the service they provide. If you are a stingy cheapfag who doesn't leave a tip, that means they basically didn't get paid for that work.
Exceptionally good service is supposed to get a bigger tip than the normal 15-20%.
The customer is going to pay either way, if they got rid of tips, they would have to increase the menu prices by more than 15-20% so that the restaurant could actually pay them a fixed wage equivalent to what they were receiving in tips. And that takes away the customer's ability to reward good service with better tips and discourage bad service with smaller tips.
Tipping is why the quality of American restaurants and bars is much higher than it is in places without tipping as the norm.

>>516596753 (OP)
>if you can't tip your server dont eat out!
>people stop eating out
>servers lose their jobs

>a fucking THIRTY PERCENT tip
She is out of her fucking mind. Never tip more than 15%, and even then that is reserved for am excellent server constantly on top of your needs and requests, and they're serving your whole family.

>>516596753 (OP)
30% is bs. 20% at most. and thats really good service

>>516612304
>Exceptionally good service
What does this actually consist of? I have never in my life been impressed by a waiter in any way whatsoever. Never have I experienced a service done by a waiter that I wouldn't rather just do myself if that made my meal substantially cheaper.

Nah, this is all about paying people to pretend to like you. Some people think it's cool to pay people to pretend to like them, some people don't.

>>516604812
god I love burgers

>>516611868
umm, i've been VIP guest to the aforementioned place in berlin and didn't pay anything but tipped. wasn't groomed either. if business is good, all involved will be happy, including the tax hyenas.

>>516601167
>what happens if you don't tip over there?
Literally nothing. Especially since everyone will just think that you are a Eurofag tourist who is either too cheap to tip or retarded to know that they are supposed to leave a tip.
If you do it enough in a certain area that you start to get a reputation for not leaving tips, then you will start getting much lower quality service, or no service at all. In some places the staff will just ignore you until you go away, others will straight up tell you that you are banned from the establishment for not leaving tips.

>>516596753 (OP)
The oversaturation of tipping culture may have killed it, through Donald Trump's tax cut for it might bring it back/deform it into something ugly.
15 years ago I would happily tip 15 standard up to 30 or more if it was Xmas because am richfag.
I can honestly say, I have more money and I don't tip by percentage EVER. The amount of things asking for tips (inanimate objects, coffee, etc.) has poisoned this for me. I rarely tip ever out of spite, and when I do i select enter tip amount, percentage, and i can confidently say Its usually 10% or less, because it will be what I tipped 15 years ago because that's what I believe is reasonable. A buck a beer is the tip, I don't give a fuck if you're ripping me off by chugging 20 bucks for the gay ass craft whatever, tip is a buck. A meal with my wife is 20 bucks. I don't care you're charging us 200 with wine. You will get no more than 20 bucks. Etc.

>>516596753 (OP)
10% most.
Fuck 'em if they don't like it.

>>516612686
>Literally nothing. Especially since everyone will just think that you are a Eurofag tourist who is either too cheap to tip or retarded to know that they are supposed to leave a tip.
Based.

>If you do it enough in a certain area that you start to get a reputation for not leaving tips, then you will start getting much lower quality service
Sure, I get that. I'd obviously not go to the same place twice.

But this is good info, going to keep that in mind for if I ever decide to visit.

>>516612304
that's insanely kikeish. 'didn't get paid for their work'. it depends on so much more than a person carrying the stuff from a to b and wishing you 'bon appetite'. you are constructing an obligation where there shouldn't be one.

>>516596753 (OP)
We know tipping cultures is retarded, but if we dont tip we get lumped in with jews and niggers

>>516612917
Just go to a new place every time.

>>516596753 (OP)
>here's your tip!
>"get a real job, parasite"

>>516596753 (OP)
israel killed JFK
israel murdered kirk
israel has kompromat on everyone via Epstein and before.
israel controls trump
israel wants to to use internal civil strife in the jewnited states to implement israel/ehud barak/epstein/mossad/thiel funded palantir control by jew karp.

>>516613202
All true of course, but what does that have to do with tips?

>>516596753 (OP)
i save a lot of money during the year.
i save a lot.
and i avoid going out to jew goyslop shit fuck ass slop troughs in the jewnited states.
and then i go to switzerland and japan
and eat like a king
usually half the price of goyslop jewnited states.
and no fucking tips in either place.
fuck jews
fuck goyslop.
fuck tips.
i dont ever tip subhumans either.

>>516613238
i posted about tips.
i just had to tell the world again about the jews.

>>516613238
the jews made me tip anon

>>516612304
Yet there's many states that require servers be paid minimum wage at least and still require tips. Your logic makes sense if they aren't being paid properly, but they want wages and tips.

>>516613388
Fair enough. Checked.

>>516596753 (OP)
It was always supposed to be a reward for good service. $32 worth of attention is a LOT of attention. An hour and a half of serving and pouring.

>>516602798
>>516603110
It is wrong. They added another .50 cents because even 30% wasn't good enough.

>>516613202
yep. 'restaurants' are pretty jewish too. namely the sale of alcohol. food is just the magnet. doesn't create nearly as much profit as liquor. the kike origin of this business and the near monopoly on it are the reason for tipping 'culture'.

>>516596753 (OP)
>pay me 30 percent tip im a waitress
not even some of the PIZZA deliverers get tipped that much and they gotta buy gas n shit, employment is a clown shitshow

>>516596753 (OP)
If my bill is $1000000 and the server wants $300000 for putting dishes on my table?

>>516613531
Honestly I don't think $32 is a lot of money to have someone pretend to be your toady friend for a couple of hours. I'd certainly require WAY more than that to go around pretending to like someone.

My problem with tipping isn't the price of having someone pretend I'm a Baron, it's that I don't want some retard fag going around pretending to like me in the first place. Just give me the option to fetch the food from the kitchen myself and fuck off.

>>516596753 (OP)
>times it by 3
This is engagement bait in more ways than one lol I always tip 20% for good service and that’s considered generous.

>>516609021
>Ok, that's obviously bullshit.
No, you are just a retarded poorfag who doesn't actually understand how anything works. The bartender doesn't own the bar, so the amount of alcohol he puts in your drink doesn't affect his bottom line at all. And it has a de minimus effect on the restaurant's bottom line because there is always some variation in how much alcohol gets put in any particular drink, and they are making their biggest profit margins on alcohol anyway. And bars and restaurants want to have big tipping regulars come in and be seen having a good time and drinking rounds of shots and whatever because it is good for business.
It's usually understood that the staff will be expected to give out a certain amount of free drinks, in some places they will have a separate Comp tab that free drinks will get charged to to keep track of it. Most of the time, most of the comped drinks will go to big tippers, the bartender's personal friends, and hot girls.
If you get a reputation as a good tipper, the amount of free drinks you will be given will more than make up for the extra money you left in tips. It's a relatively cheap way to buy VIP status.

>>516596753 (OP)
Yes we're fully aware; it's a retard tax.

>>516596753 (OP)
I'm not tipping 30%, just because. Get fucked. The ever inflating "standard" tip is making me consider not tipping at all.

>>516613848
So you're saying it's all comped?

>If you get a reputation as a good tipper
You mean sucker.

>>516604759
I am pro drug use

>>516613492
drop the gas.
heil hitler.

>>516613877
I've learned in this thread that you can just not pay it. Easy life hack.

>>516596753 (OP)
I don't tip. I enjoy how powerful it makes me feel and hurting those servants, imagining them falling on their knees in struggle

>>516613652
I was at some mid Italian restaurant in Manhattan like 20 years ago right. So my friend's birthday; except he insisted on paying for everything. Food was pretty meh. Chicken Parmesan on pasta.

Alright so we're all done, chit chat for awhile before we head up the street to 42nd and walk around Macy's Herald Square. Everyone gets to up go, buddy paid and left. I'm just sitting there enjoying the last of mine wine and the fucking waitress runs over to me as I'm wrapping up and starts screaming at me that she didn't get a tip.

Now I'm in, or rather was, in a good mood. I look at her calmly and tell her I was just a guest for this dinner and the person who paid left already. She demands I tip her. She never checked on us, she never refilled drinks, she basically brought the food over and then went AFK at the bar; the restaurant was mostly empty that night.

So I get up to leave, done with her bullshit and she blocks the door and continues to demand a tip. I text my girlfriend to ask my buddy to come back and tip this stupid whore and he gets on the phone and tells me NOPE she doesn't deserve a tip, and I proceed to tell her "my friend says you don't deserve a tip".

She turns RED in the face and starts screaming and crying that I HAVE TO tip her.

Can you guess what I did next?

>>516596753 (OP)
>0 tip for you

>>516614270
Dinosaur?

>>516596753 (OP)
Tipping should be outlawed.

>>516609426
>Do you really get 20%+ more value in the amount of food and drink as a tipping recurring customer?
If you leave a regular 20% or whatever, then you will probably get normal, good service, friendly treatment, occasionally a free drink or food.
If you leave very good tips noticeably larger than the norm, yes, absolutely, you will get much more in return than whatever you paid. There have been many times when I went out drinking, got 5-6 drinks, and then at the end of the night the bartenders only charged me for one of them because they knew I would leave a $20-30 tip.

>>516596753 (OP)
Yes, everyone thinks it is retarded except for waiters and waitresses who work in restaurants. After the outsourcing of manufacturing from the 1970s through the 2000s, we became a service based economy. The biggest "industry" in the service sector is the restaurants industry.

Besides getting your CDL and being a truck driver, working as a server in a nice restaurant is the quickest and easiest way for someone without an education to make a decent living and be able to afford a home etc. Keep in mind too, that this service economy, our largest economic sector, is also where most of the spending comes from, which then drives our consumer economy.

It's all a big racket, but the problem is, when the USA was more prosperous in the 80s and 90s (and even the 2000s), tipping really wasn't that big of a deal. A family of four could go out to eat at a restaurant like Applebee's and the total bill would be 30 or 40 bucks and you'd tip somewhere between 5 and 10 and it wasn't an issue.

Things need to change though. A big justification for tipping was the "tipped minimum wage" which is basically that workers at restaurants could get paid next to nothing, with the promise that tips would make up for the low pay.

Today, some cities and states have raised minimum wage even for tipped restaurant employees. In Portland or Seattle for example, they still get $20/hr. And yet, even in those places, the culture of tipping remains.

And as you said, it remains because of social shame and stigma. If you consistently go to a restaurant and don't tip, you'll be known as the non-tipper, and you'll get horrible service. In some cases they might not even serve you and tell you to go somewhere else.

It's going to require a massive cultural shift, but neither restaurant owners nor servers have any incentive to get rid of tipping. There are some owners who do have no-tipping policies to attract more customers, but these places are few and far between

Let's say I order Mcdonalds via Uber Eats and this order has the price of 20usd. How much do I need to tip the delivery guy?

>>516614270
what did u do to her
>>516614348
lol

>>516614583
You sound like you know what you're talking about. Can you confirm what the tipping enjoyers in this thread is trying to sell me? They're saying when you tip a lot you get more than you tip back worth of food and drinks. They're not talking about paying for smiles and bullshit like that, these tipping enjoyers are under the impression that when they tip a lot, they get it all back ++ in actual goods.
>>516614437
>>516608809

>>516596753 (OP)
The ONLY time I have ever tipped for food was in a place where white people delivered it to me. Then it was a cursory "This guy seems alright" gesture on my part.

>>516596753 (OP)
>33% tip
Lol. Lmao. 20 max.

>>516596753 (OP)
this is technically not accurate. in the US, restaurant staff are paid below minimum wage (somehow this is legal) under the assumption that workers are getting paid the rest in tips. that is to say, typically is explicitly not strictly for "exceptionally good" service.

that being said, I think this is retarded and the reason is not because I don't like paying tips. I think it's profoundly retarded that restauranteurs are outsourcing their compensation structure and worse offloading employee performance review to the customer. it boggles the mind that as a customer I'm 1. determining how much a worker should be paid 2. determining the worker's performance. it's bad customer service to force a customer to deal with the moral dilemma 3. understanding and accepting the risk and execution of my assessment.

that being said, I no longer live in North America so I'm not plagued with this poor customer service. in many other parts of the world there is no tip because workers are plain and simply expected to always give exceptional service. there is no margin.
>>516600256
this is also an enormous flaw in the tipping system as it forces customers to make larger orders by creating a system that directly or indirectly guilts them for less expensive meals.
>>516599970
correct.
>>516601167
it's usually fine. I think there are some extreme cases.

>>516602092
If you keep calling them faggots, more faggots like myself will bump the thread. Got it, faggot?

>>516614733
At least 8 or 9 dollars if you don't want it to sit at the McDonald's for 2 or 3 hours before someone agrees to pick it up to deliver it to you.

Tipping on Doordash and UberEats really isn't a tip, it's a bid. You are bidding a price for service. If you don't tip, your food sits their for hours before a poorfag wagie agrees to drive 10 miles to your house for the $2.30 that Doordash will pay them for their service. If you want it to be delivered while it's still warm, you have to tip/bid a decent amount.

>>516614879
A good portion of them probably tip pretty girls just for existing and think I should follow suit.

>>516596753 (OP)
It really grinds my gears when literally every fast food place or restaurant I go to now (ex: Subway) asks me for a tip. Niggers you just charged me $15 for a sandwich and I'm picking it up myself why do you think I should tip you?

>>516597217
Depends. I never do gratuity on the check, I always tip cash to my waiter or waitress under the table and tell them to keep it hush because it's exploitative in my view to pool tips. Most of the women in my family were servers at some point in their lives and so have all of my gf's, and every place they worked at took a cut of the pooled tips before dispersal among the staff.

>>516604542
Should be grateful a black man tipped them at all

>>516615190
That is cool to me. Thanks.

>>516596753 (OP)
>30% tip
Not even in Dubai

>>516614583
staff should be decently paid and the overhead should not stop a place from making money. with countless parasites siphoning away from all transactions it has become an arduous task. the kike century must end.

If you want a tip you must show me your boobs.

>>516615341
Why are you upset about an optional thing? The POS thing will ask if you want a tip, and you can just say no and not add a tip. They leave the option enabled because some people do want to leave tips, and fewer and fewer people carry around cash to drop in a tip jar. But no one is expecting you to leave a tip if you don't want to.
The cashier isn't the one who enabled that option in the POS, and they almost certainly don't care or expect you to add a tip, and usually they don't even get told who added a tip or who didn't.

>>516614879
>Can you confirm what the tipping enjoyers in this thread is trying to sell me? They're saying when you tip a lot you get more than you tip back worth of food and drinks.

Yes, but just like reduced service for non/low tippers, that only happens if you are a regular at the establishment and consistently tip well. But yeah, it is generally true that if you are a regular at a bar, and you tip well, that your bartender will sometimes subtract the price of one or more beverages from your bill, because he knows you will tip a lot.

They do this because it benefits them. Lets say beers at the bar are 5 dollars. And every time you go, you get 4 beers ($20) but then you give the bartender $30 total, thus he gets a 10 dollar tip. Oftentimes, the bartender, knowing your usual order, will instead charge you for 3 beers, even if you order 4. Then you only owe $15. But if you're so used to paying 30, and you budgeted for 30, then if you tip $30, he gets a $15 tip instead of a 10 dollar tip. You pay the same price for the same service you always get, but he pockets more of the money, it's a win win.

Except for the restaurant owner. Essentially, when you get a free item or two in exchange for being a regular good tipper, the restaurant itself is taking a loss in order to endear themselves to you, the customer, in the hopes that you keep coming back, spending money, and tipping well.

It's all pretty much a wash though. I can assure you there are no restaurants out there losing significant amounts of money by giving tons of free items to good tippers

>>516596753 (OP)
Don't tip bad service, but don't not tip good service or the decent white servers will quit, and everything will turn brown.
Pretty simple, works for me.

>>516596753 (OP)
"times it"
Hate this fucking nigger foid shit vocabulary like you wouldn't believe.

>>516615497
>staff should be decently paid and the overhead should not stop a place from making money. with countless parasites siphoning away from all transactions it has become an arduous task. the kike century must end.

Yeah, the main problem with restaurants in America now is the cost of real estate. It's the primary reason why going out to eat is cheaper in Europe and Japan compared to the USA.

When the restaurant has to pay $15 to $20,000 per month just to stay in business, they have to make up the money elsewhere. They do this with higher prices

>>516596753 (OP)
Hurricanes ain't going to realize shit!!

Their hubris is why they do nothingburger after nothingburger while kikes and fatiggers destroy their nation.

>>516615902
destroy the jew.
then eating out can be good, and the fucking seed oil goyslop will be gone.

>>516604705
lol, people literally don’t understand what tipping means anymore. They think they’re entitled to a tip and obligated to tip. I was once barred by wait staff from approaching a buffet. I wanted to look at the options, but nothing looked good so I got chicken sauté. I didn’t leave any tip after that. They were racist gooks too

>>516596753 (OP)
tipping is charity which is why europeans melt from it, like acid thrown on the wicked witch of the west

>>516615742
Yeah ok, thanks. Sounds more reasonable than tipping being an actual loss for the establishment. Still a pretty tangled, unpredictable and sort of scummy system.

>>516617099
Europe is where gypsies live, so we know the dangers of charity.

>>516596753 (OP)
That’s insane . I worked for tips. Don’t expect too much but actually try remembering customers, laugh and joke with them
These bitches are demanding for nothing. Learn to banter without being fake. Some guys give bad service because of no tips like wtf. Do your job
Tips are extra

>>516617783
honestly bro i can't argue with that. fokin pikies.

>>516604705
Fucking true

>>516596753 (OP)
Bitch would have to suck me off at the table for a 30% tip....

>>516596753 (OP)
Who the fuck tips 30+ percent?!

20 is standard. 25 for really good.

>>516596753 (OP)
She missed a step
>Then divide by 2
Because 15% is fair

>>516619154
>20 is standard
I wonder if someone did a study of corelation between having penis mutilated as infant and tiping.

europe started it.

>>516620220
when I traveled in europe in many places the rule was just to round up to the next euro .. krona or whatever .. which makes sense because it's convenient for everyone.

>>516620916
It's just as convenient to round down, but you never see them suggesting that, do you?

>>516602127
Damn, bro live life on hard mode.

>>516620916
there's a 'roughly 10%' behaviour around here now with this rounding up. the kike nature of this business inparticular and money in general makes merchants out of serfs. why anyone would accept a server putting a markup of 30% on a product to which he is merely a (paid) middleman is beyond me, considering the work and money that go into buying, renting, equipping, stocking, opening and running a place. get rid of kikes in control of money and the discussion will be obsolete.

>>516610663
>your just fucking over the back of house
Which means you're fucking over a waitress who makes less than you and still has to pay out even if she gets stiffed by her table.

Didn't read the rest of your sperg, Pablo. Less typing more dishwashing.